[Q] Don't wanna seem pushy... but... - Fascinate General

Most forums here on XDA and elsewhere are very good about updating the thread title's with the actual date of any new ROM or KERNAL updates.
For some reason in this Fascinate Dev forum, only 1 thread on the first page has this in the title... is there anyway I could ask the wonderful people here to do the same?
For example, the Eris dev forum have an updated DATE in nearly all the thread titles.
Reference:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=554
Thanks!
Doug

Wow, all those numbers and dots in the title.... The average user can't read that what are you thinking! Jk btw. Its a great idea, BUT its hard to start a trend. Goodluck man
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Agreed. Many other forums are better about updating titles and it is very helpful.
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I totally agree with this

FDro said:
I totally agree with this
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+1.
Yea it would be great to know when things changed. And how old the stuff is.

It would help, but changelogs essentially do the same. We don't have a ton of ROMs/kernels available for the fascinate, so I dont see it as a big issue.
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papstar said:
It would help, but changelogs essentially do the same. We don't have a ton of ROMs/kernels available for the fascinate, so I dont see it as a big issue.
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I was going to make the same point.

+1
I can then actually tell if there's updates for kernels and such.
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Not everyone goes into a thread to read a change log. Most people will just think a thread that has unread is just the latest postings, not anything new in the OP. So in reality the thread title would be the best bet for the updated info or date per say.

Some change logs don't have dates either. I agree that thread titles should include the dates and/or share a standard format.
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Um, you do realize that you can just look at the last edit timestamp on the OP post, right?
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Fresh - Any chance you drive, or used to drive, a Subaru?

crookshanks said:
Fresh - Any chance you drive, or used to drive, a Subaru?
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Why yes I did/do
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dug-e-fresh said:
Why yes I did/do
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I thought I recognized your name from nabisco. I remember being just a little impressed by an 11.3 with a fp green. And by a little, of course I mean a lot.

ivorycruncher said:
Um, you do realize that you can just look at the last edit timestamp on the OP post, right?
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I do realize this... but still, an actual update DATE in the thread title would make for some really quick "drive throughs" for a lot of people who have internet A.D.D. (like myself), if you know what I mean?
5 minute wait to post for newbies... ugh... this is killing me... off to 100 or other sites, haha
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crookshanks said:
I thought I recognized your name from nabisco. I remember being just a little impressed by an 11.3 with a fp green. And by a little, of course I mean a lot.
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Well thanks... that was a fun set-up! Just as impressive (imo) was that the motor was 100% stock (JDM STI, but still stock).
Since then, I built the motor and slapped on a GT35R… I ran a 10.780 @ 136.2 like that. Getting her ready in a couple weeks for hopefully some deeper 10’s at around 140… traction permitting
Nathan (nmyeti) is on here as well… I guess this Fascinate (or android in general) must attract us Subie guys or something, haha! Like I told Nathan, modding is in our blood no matter what it is.
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ivorycruncher said:
Um, you do realize that you can just look at the last edit timestamp on the OP post, right?
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Just because the last edited date is updated doesn't actually mean the software posted is updated. That could be a spelling/grammar/link update for all we know.
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DeezNotes said:
Just because the last edited date is updated doesn't actually mean the software posted is updated. That could be a spelling/grammar/link update for all we know.
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Was thinking the same thing... well put
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ivorycruncher said:
Um, you do realize that you can just look at the last edit timestamp on the OP post, right?
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Yeah, sure...if you actually open the thread. Why would I open a thread if the title still says old version?
Every other forum I'm a part up has updated thread titles...maybe I've just been lucky and been part of some very good forums.

quarky42 said:
Yeah, sure...if you actually open the thread. Why would I open a thread if the title still says old version?
Every other forum I'm a part up has updated thread titles...maybe I've just been lucky and been part of some very good forums.
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And well the thing is XDA is a great place... and in OTHER forums in here, its the norm. For some reason its just been looked over in the fascinate section...
It was suggested that it's not a big deal because there aren't a lot of roms in here... my rebuttal to that is, eventually were gonna have more stuff... hopefully A LOT of stuff... so why not prepare proactively for what we all hope for?
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List of Fixes/Enhancements for Samsung Epic!!! All rolled in one link!!

This link is a great article to make your epic a WHOLE lot better. It includes hacks such as 4G/3G speed hacks, battery hacks, kernels, ROMS and much more. Here is the link:
http://gameolosophy.com/games/sports/total-club-manager/list-of-fixesenhancements-for-the-epic/
I was hoping for more..
Well, the person who made the article said if there were any more suggestions, we should comment, and I did that, you should do the same to make it better
well not worth it imho...sorry
So why not make the thread here? If it's really good they might sticky it.
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Top Nurse said:
So why not make the thread here? If it's really good they might sticky it.
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+1
Could've just created a new wiki page or thread for it all.
Top Nurse said:
So why not make the thread here? If it's really good they might sticky it.
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If they did it here, they couldn't put the 1,000 ads on it. I don't think I've seen so many ads on one page before.
Not.to bad. They don't have alot on there yet. It could.get better though
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Hate to say it, but that did kind of suck
Why don't you all stop saying how bad it 'sucked' and make the thread better then?
Your unconstructive critism doesn't help our already crippled community..
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XtaC318 said:
Why don't you all stop saying how bad it 'sucked' and make the thread better then?
Your unconstructive critism doesn't help our already crippled community..
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I would say we are far from crippled,but that site is pretty crippled,dosnt even talk about my ROM,lol,not that I care...
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ecooce said:
I would say we are far from crippled,but that site is pretty crippled,dosnt even talk about my ROM,lol,not that I care...
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Compared to the other forums on xda? Seems to me we have the least activity..
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LOL...this thread is full of people saying it sucked yet there isn't one comment offering suggestions. You people....lol
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Quis89 said:
LOL...this thread is full of people saying it sucked yet there isn't one comment offering suggestions. You people....lol
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Who cares ... lol. All the information there is subjective. Just like all the "Which ROM is better?" thread responses.
Quis89 said:
LOL...this thread is full of people saying it sucked yet there isn't one comment offering suggestions. You people....lol
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You people? You people?!?

BlazeROM EB13 [under-development]

EB13 FROYO slimmed down and optimization will be beggining soon.
Let me know what you want to see in the EB13 BlazeROM Release.
Also if you would like to work with me on this rom PM me.Please include what you have experience in and we will talk.
PyRo
My parking spot
I want this one too
one more for good luck
I'd like to see you change the title of this thread and move it to General.
Rfs support......
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And custom PASSTHATkernal with oc/uv goodies :3
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bigray327 said:
I'd like to see you change the title of this thread and move it to General.
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This post is useless and this thread should not be moved....
PyRo
Something you could flash on top of stock to take out Sprint/Samsung apps.
Also the battery full meter, and clear notification screen.
A_Flying_Fox said:
Rfs support......
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Ext4 with an OC kernal is great why need/want rfs?
sent from my Epic 4G
Nothing personal, but technically "coming soon" threads are not allowed. You may get locked soon. Just an FYI.
Sent by a little green robot
If it does,it does just wanted to let people know blazerom would atleast be showing its face in eb13 as i am the other slimmed down rom and havnt seen or heard anything regarding frankstein eb13.
PyRo
so what is the difference between a thread for a developing rom and a thread for a more complete rom? a download? cmon give him a break there are like 2 or 3 other threads like this. not so much of a coming soon thread as an underdev thread. but i agree he should definitely change the thread to (under-development) or something like that so people dont get their hopes up.
blspyro said:
EB13 FROYO slimmed down and optimization will be beggining soon.
Let me know what you want to see in the EB13 BlazeROM Release.
Also if you would like to work with me on this rom PM me.Please include what you have experience in and we will talk.
PyRo
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Super Battery Life.
Gingerbread theme, or just the staus bar, but preferably the status bar
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Camera app that's not blurry when recording videos
Can it print money?
jeffyv2 said:
Ext4 with an OC kernal is great why need/want rfs?
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RFS with an OC kernel feels pretty darn good, too. Why ask why anyone would want support for the stock file system?
schnowdapowda said:
so what is the difference between a thread for a developing rom and a thread for a more complete rom? a download? cmon give him a break there are like 2 or 3 other threads like this. not so much of a coming soon thread as an underdev thread. but i agree he should definitely change the thread to (under-development) or something like that so people dont get their hopes up.
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Their you go it will be a few days until its out still piecing the base rom together and going to do some digging around for stuff I want to do.....hoping for a partner this time around...maybe me and ecooce can get together and make it super skinny and shiney.
Stay Tuned
PyRo
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Moved to general forum. Please contact a mod when you have a ROM ready for download, and the the thread will then be moved back to the Dev forum.

Anyone looking for a SyndicateFrozen Rom 1.2 status update

Check out the news article here:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/syndicaterom-frozen-1-2-status-update/
qbking77 said:
Check out the news article here:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/syndicaterom-frozen-1-2-status-update/
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I both hate you and love you...
I can't get to ACS from work lol
Edit: Should I have said first and apologized to you iSaint? Seems its trending lol
Sweet when ACS says soon... most of the time its SOON
Damn, another clockwork to confuse noobs on which version to use and ask about... I bet the color is red.
Help support autism awareness,it only takes 2 seconds to help make a difference...
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I'm assuming that this is still going to be ECO5/FroYo based, am I correct? I remember back in the EE03 Pre-Release thread, one of the ACS members saying that SRF releases are not, and will never be based on leaks. Seeing as EE19 hasn't officially been called official, at least to the best of my knowledge, I think I am answering my own question... Prove me wrong?
Loving SFR 1.1.1 can't wait for the new goodness I'm sure 1.2 will bring
jUgGsY said:
I'm assuming that this is still going to be ECO5/FroYo based, am I correct? I remember back in the EE03 Pre-Release thread, one of the ACS members saying that SRF releases are not, and will never be based on leaks. Seeing as EE19 hasn't officially been called official, at least to the best of my knowledge, I think I am answering my own question... Prove me wrong?
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Yes it is based off of ec05! Acs doesn't build on leaks.
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shmutzig said:
Loving SFR 1.1.1 can't wait for the new goodness I'm sure 1.2 will bring
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I agree
So we could have 2 versions released in 1 month?
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The Root said:
So we could have 2 versions released in 1 month?
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Yea i think 1.1.1 was ready a long time ago but K0 didn't want to release it until he flashed it... they just released it late and was probably alrready working on 1.2
2 meaning 1.2 & gb.
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The Root said:
2 meaning 1.2 & gb.
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OO my bad dude misunderstood
I'm a very visual person. They should supply screenshots.
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Why the new cwm? What's wrong with 3.0.2.5? Now there's gonna be so many questions from noobs
if you cant live large, look big in the coffin!!!
musclehead84 said:
Why the new cwm? What's wrong with 3.0.2.5? Now there's gonna be so many questions from noobs
if you cant live large, look big in the coffin!!!
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like the ones you just asked calling yourself a noob... lol
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Edit: Should I have said first and apologized to you iSaint? Seems its trending lol
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HA!
10char
steviee7 said:
like the ones you just asked calling yourself a noob... lol
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I know you meant this as a joke, but musclehead has a good point. There have been a couple of new recoveries lately. I can see the wave of questions regarding the recovery. I am not ripping anyone. Its just the way it is around here.
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I wonder what will be different.
The only problems I had with 1.1.0 was the random "locking up" but that was fixed.
ACS for life.
That is all.
funktron said:
ACS for life.
That is all.
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Love it

Epic 4G EOL slated for October

http://www.androidcentral.com/sprint-saying-sayonara-several-android-smartphones
It was a good 14 month run, and I'm sure Sammy will give us some kick ass device to replace it with. I've got a ways to wait for an upgrade anyway.
This is exact problem with a single rumors thread - nobody is reading it before posting...
stud_muffler said:
This is exact problem with a single rumors thread - nobody is reading it before posting...
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Who wants to read through 50+ pages just to see if something has already been posted and the link descriptions in the OP are rather vague.
As for the topic at hand, EOL doesn't mean support is suddenly stopped. Just means they aren't going to replenish their inventory anymore and sell them until they are gone. EVO is hitting EOL at the same time. Just over a year sounds about right for a smartphone's shelf life, especially with how fast the manufacturers are churning out newer models.
stud_muffler said:
This is exact problem with a single rumors thread - nobody is reading it before posting...
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It's not a rumor... it's an internal Sprint memo AFAIK.
algorhythm said:
It's not a rumor... it's an internal Sprint memo AFAIK.
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He's not taking a shot at you, and I for one haven't looked at that thread in weeks for that exact reason. Too many posts, and not enough substance. Zanders intentions were good though.
CapsLockKey said:
Who wants to read through 50+ pages just to see if something has already been posted and the link descriptions in the OP are rather vague.
As for the topic at hand, EOL doesn't mean support is suddenly stopped. Just means they aren't going to replenish their inventory anymore and sell them until they are gone. EVO is hitting EOL at the same time. Just over a year sounds about right for a smartphone's shelf life, especially with how fast the manufacturers are churning out newer models.
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+1, I'm not interested in filtering through page after page of chit chat just in case something new has been added. New topic with new titles catch my attention though.
machx0r said:
+1, I'm not interested in filtering through page after page of chit chat just in case something new has been added. New topic with new titles catch my attention though.
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And it IS mostly just **** chat...
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austin420 said:
And it IS mostly just **** chat...
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Agree ..big time +1
Anyways ..epic was good while it last it.I myself moved on to the EVO 3d........ 1 month down..11more months to my next upgrade.
My epic I use as an mp3 player in my car...which works excellent.
Ulllllllllllltttrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the rumor thread was filled with rumors and not spam then more people would check it.
Just saying.
- Ron
All you have to do is read OP in the rumor thread.
stud_muffler said:
All you have to do is read OP in the rumor thread.
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the link has been broken for days.
CapsLockKey said:
Who wants to read through 50+ pages just to see if something has already been posted and the link descriptions in the OP are rather vague.
As for the topic at hand, EOL doesn't mean support is suddenly stopped. Just means they aren't going to replenish their inventory anymore and sell them until they are gone. EVO is hitting EOL at the same time. Just over a year sounds about right for a smartphone's shelf life, especially with how fast the manufacturers are churning out newer models.
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Actually it is in the first post....and I reported this nearly a week ago. I knew about all this and have the internal document that has the FULL list on my computer right now.
Korey_Nicholson said:
Actually it is in the first post....and I reported this nearly a week ago. I knew about all this and have the internal document that has the FULL list on my computer right now.
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algorhythm said:
the link has been broken for days.
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Typical... I told Zander to fix it
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Korey_Nicholson said:
Typical... I told Zander to fix it
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Me pointing out the obvious? Or Zander failing?
PS: What were your parents thinkining, it's Cory or if you want to bastardize it Corey... but seriously a 'K'?
Edit: You editted before I replied, not fair...
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Me pointing out the obvious? Or Zander failing?
PS: What were your parents thinkining, it's Cory or if you want to bastardize it Corey... but seriously a 'K'?
Edit: You editted before I replied, not fair...
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Haha i win, Korey rules
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I'm done defending myself.
Posted by Mr. Z's Epic 4G.
zanderman112 said:
I'm done defending myself.
Posted by Mr. Z's Epic 4G.
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Do I need to break out wdm again to make things better?
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Korey_Nicholson said:
Do I need to break out wdm again to make things better?
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At least you got a laugh out of me just then .
Posted by Mr. Z's Epic 4G.

LOGS from ICS leak

Hi guys,
Could anyone please collect the logs that are being generated by the ICS leak, zip the folders they are in and share them?
I'd do it myself though i don't have the leak installed.
Thanks in advance.
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Hm, this is fishy. You only just appeared here (2 posts in total) and already you're asking people to send you their logs? And your request for the AT&T bloat is just weird.
Dunno, fishy.
If you really want some logs, I suggest you install the leak and collect them yourself.
Hi there,
Is there a welcome thread i need to add my first post to?
Nothing fishy going on here. I read about the leak and how it had logs enabled, making the phone crawl. I instantly thought about analyzing these verbose logs to try and pick up where the original dev(s) left off. Logs will help further development of the release.
As for the AT&T files, i want to see if there's anything in them that would explain why the leak was pulled from this site.
Thanks for reading.
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integraletotale said:
Is there a welcome thread i need to add my first post to?
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Um, actually I don't know. Possibly. More likely to be in the general forum section (not Atrix general, the forum general).
integraletotale said:
Nothing fishy going on here. I read about the leak and how it had logs enabled, making the phone crawl. I instantly thought about analyzing these verbose logs to try and pick up where the original dev(s) left off. Logs will help further development of the release.
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Dunno. Still seems easier to just install the leak and collect the logs yourself. After you're done, you can restore your nandroid backup and it'll be as if nothing ever happened.
Anyway, I'm not running the leak myself so I can't really help you either way. Maybe someone else will be of more help.
There is an introduce yourself thread (or something like that) in the general section of this forum.
Not sure it will do much since it is hard to believe you are not a Motorola/Google/AT&T/Authentec/Whatever employee.
An xda member for almost 2 years with zero posts until today....
Suddenly shows up when the leak arrives....
Asking for logs(?)(!)....with no explanation as to why....
Everyone knows that Motorola/Google/AT&T/Authentec/Whatever employees monitor the forums....
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.....
Bye!
I don't think they would post here. They don't need anything they don't already have. If they were to pull strings then i strongly believe it would be through management.
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upndwn4par said:
Not sure it will do much since it is hard to believe you are not a Motorola/Google/AT&T/Authentec/Whatever employee.
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LOL
My guts were telling me there is something off about this. For some reason this never occured to me, but it makes a lot of sense.
Yeah dude, if you're going to spy on us here, at least do it right. :laugh:
LOL @ all the paranoia in this thread
integraletotale said:
I don't think they would post here. They don't need anything they don't already have. ...
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Except for some logs to find out who leaked the build.
coolnow said:
LOL @ all the paranoia in this thread
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If motorola's devs wasted as much time conjuring theories instead of getting to work then i'd understand the delay. Seriously though... can anyone with the slightest interest in getting a usable and stable realease out of the leak please contact me.
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Being honest, open, and explaining yourself would certainly aid cooperation.
PM me if you are more comfortable about that.
Paranoid everywhere...
What kind of personal information he can take from the logs?
upndwn4par said:
Not sure it will do much since it is hard to believe you are not a Motorola/Google/AT&T/Authentec/Whatever employee.
An xda member for almost 2 years with zero posts until today....
Suddenly shows up when the leak arrives....
Asking for logs(?)(!)....with no explanation as to why....
Everyone knows that Motorola/Google/AT&T/Authentec/Whatever employees monitor the forums....
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.....
Bye!
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Not really
i registered in XDA in 8th November 2009 after i bought my xperia x1 to search for some problems and new roms, now the same with my atrix
Every thing that i need is here, so, no need to post or ask for something
12 post in 3 years lol
Another reason, i'm not very fluent in english
ravilov said:
LOL
My guts were telling me there is something off about this. For some reason this never occured to me, but it makes a lot of sense.
Yeah dude, if you're going to spy on us here, at least do it right. :laugh:
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Yup i totally Agree Seems like we Got a Mole in the System trolling For evidence
::Edit Now he has me Courious to Know Whats so Dammed Important in All the "At&t apps" included in Zip ...Hummm..?
or Whats in the Logs he Wants So Badly
balintmaci said:
if they really wanted to do that they would do it right. install the rom for themselves....
unless they are overly retarded which would explain the lurking...
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What if he doesn't even own an Atrix??!?!?
*Dramatic Music*
ToonShadow said:
What if he doesn't even own an Atrix??!?!?
*Dramatic Music*
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Dont Get Me started On That!
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rojocapo89 said:
Paranoid everywhere...
What kind of personal information he can take from the logs?
Not really
i registered in XDA in 8th November 2009 after i bought my xperia x1 to search for some problems and new roms, now the same with my atrix
Every thing that i need is here, so, no need to post or ask for something
12 post in 3 years lol
Another reason, i'm not very fluent in english
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Under usual circumstances you would probably have the logs by now but the situation currently is a tad different.
Don't take it too hard but the latest leak got everyone on edge.
It's nice to see people still care about the device.
I have to say since the leak the readin in just about every thread is getting better and better with all the theories and paranoia. Who needs best selling books xda is so much better
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Pbwizkid said:
I have to say since the leak the readin in just about every thread is getting better and better with all the theories and paranoia. Who needs best selling books xda is so much better
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Lol. It is good reading.
integraletotale = Lone ATT Tegra Lie
Ohhhh

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