http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/25/fcc-unanimously-approves-lte-standard-for-nationwide-public-safe/
simple as that
The FCC's been looking to establish a nationwide public safety network since the early days of the infamous 700MHz spectrum auction, and while it never quite accomplished that task, the commission has made a small but important step -- it's unanimously decided that Long Term Evolution (LTE) will be the one ring that binds all future chunks of public safety radio band. Of course, this wasn't a terribly hard decision for the FCC to make, as major commercial cellular carriers and a number of regional public safety agencies have already invested in LTE equipment for the 700MHz band... and the decision doesn't yet specify a voice standard. All that's been decided upon is how those countless packets of data will float over the air. How will disparate groups of first responders communicate with one another in the event of a national emergency? That's what the organization is asking you right now -- feel free to contact the FCC anytime within the next 45 days with your proposal.
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FCC TAKES ACTION TO ADVANCE NATIONWIDE BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS FOR AMERICA'S FIRST RESPONDERS
FCC Takes Significant Steps toward Solving Problems Identified by 9/11 Commission
Washington, D.C. – The Federal Communications Commission today adopted a Third Report and Order (Order) and Fourth Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (FNPRM) that will significantly advance communications interoperability for our Nation's first responders. The rules adopted and proposed in today's Order and FNPRM support the build out of robust, dedicated and secure mobile broadband networks that will enable public safety broadband users to share information, videos, photos and emails across departments and jurisdictions nationwide for day-to-day operations and during large-scale emergencies.
The Order and FNPRM requires all 700 MHz public safety mobile broadband networks to use a common air interface, specifically Long Term Evolution (LTE), to support roaming and interoperable communications and seeks comment on additional rules to enable nationwide interoperability. The FCC's actions today build on the technical requirements that state and local 700 MHz broadband waiver recipients are already subject to in the early buildout of their regional public safety broadband networks.
The FNPRM seeks public comment on, among other things:
The architectural vision of the network;
The effectiveness of open standards;
Interconnectivity between networks;
Network robustness and resiliency;
Security and encryption;Coverage and coverage reliability requirements;
Roaming and priority access between public safety broadband networks; and
Interference coordination and protection.
The deadlines for public comments and reply comments on the FNPRM are 45 days and 75 days, respectively, after publication in the Federal Registry.
Action by the Commission January 25, 2011, by Order and Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (FCC 11-6). Chairman Genachowski, Commissioners Copps, McDowell, Clyburn, and Baker. Separate statements issued by Chairman Genachowski, Commissioners Copps, McDowell, Clyburn, and Baker.
For additional information, please contact Jennifer Manner, Deputy Bureau Chief, PSHSB, at (202) 418-3619 or [email protected]; or David Furth, Deputy Bureau Chief, PSHSB, at (202) 418-0632 or [email protected].
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so THATS what LTE stands for... I thought it was a vzw marketing gimmick.
At the pace the government moves at it will be an antiquated standard by the time it rolls out anyway.
Feb 7th announcement "Watch us implode in seconds right before your very eyes"
1. Remove discounts
2. Change upgrade policy
3. Up-charge all smartphones
4. Gov drives a nail right between your eyes....lol
5. IMPLODE
Bye Bye
azfxstb said:
Feb 7th announcement "Watch us implode in seconds right before your very eyes"
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lol
Screw David Copperfield and his disappearing motorcycles, Blain is going to make a national leader in wireless service vanish overnight*
*Feb MRC will not be prorated
*whether, and I doubt that would have any impact on Sprint and them being forced to go LTE.
Just because the government chooses to go LTE, doesn't mean every other company in the nation has to too. Government/World prefers Blu-ray, Microsoft still uses HD-DVD. Plus, the First Responders are a group who respond to emergency situations first. The fact that they'll be using LTE is purely for them to contact others in their group.
Both LTE and WiMax have their advantages and disadvantages. This is all just a repeat of DVD vs VHS, DVD vs UMD, and Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD bouts, just to name a few. However, I do see LTE winning. It is getting the most support, and now that the government will start supporting it 10 years from now, Sprint will probably make the move then.
What I hope is that when/if LTE does win, what will Sprint do to the users who have WiMax devices? Will Sprint replace the device with it's WiMax cousin? Or will Sprint give everyone the middle finger? What will the companies with LTE do if WiMax wins? Will Sprint throw a Nation-wide party if WiMax wins?
PsychoFox13 said:
What I hope is that when/if LTE does win, what will Sprint do to the users who have WiMax devices? Will Sprint replace the device with it's WiMax cousin?
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They do not care about your wimax device it will be at least 1+ years old anyways..EOL dead gone later sucka
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*whether, and I doubt that would have any impact on Sprint and them being forced to go LTE.
Just because the government chooses to go LTE, doesn't mean every other company in the nation has to too. Government/World prefers Blu-ray, Microsoft still uses HD-DVD. Plus, the First Responders are a group who respond to emergency situations first. The fact that they'll be using LTE is purely for them to contact others in their group.
Both LTE and WiMax have their advantages and disadvantages. This is all just a repeat of DVD vs VHS, DVD vs UMD, and Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD bouts, just to name a few. However, I do see LTE winning. It is getting the most support, and now that the government will start supporting it 10 years from now, Sprint will probably make the move then.
What I hope is that when/if LTE does win, what will Sprint do to the users who have WiMax devices? Will Sprint replace the device with it's WiMax cousin? Or will Sprint give everyone the middle finger? What will the companies with LTE do if WiMax wins? Will Sprint throw a Nation-wide party if WiMax wins?
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i would disagree considering most other providers will be using it. Sprint is very big in the gov sector...i assure you they will not miss out.
The thread title is misleading, as it seems to imply that Sprint will be required to move to LTE. However, Sprint will probably choose to move to LTE anyway. This might be one more reason why, but I doubt it will be the main one.
OP, there's one major flaw:
Sprint doesn't have 700MHz spectrum, last I heard. Of the Big Four, only AT&T and VZW got in on that cake. Oops.
drmacinyasha said:
OP, there's one major flaw:
Sprint doesn't have 700MHz spectrum, last I heard. Of the Big Four, only AT&T and VZW got in on that cake. Oops.
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Right on the nose. This announcement is all but irrelevant to Sprint since they have nothing in the affected band.
I agree that they probably will go LTE in the long run, but I knew that when I got my phone. They have enough investment in WiMax and enough customers using WiMax devices that they're not going to just go and switch it all out overnight. I understand many of their WiMax base stations can do both with a firmware upgrade, so I suspect they'd roll out such an update and split the spectrum as needed in various areas while they release new LTE devices and get existing users transitioned over.
Remember that while most Sprint customers have dual-mode gear CDMA/WiMax, many of the Clear WiMax fixed install radios as used for home/small business service are WiMax only, so those would also all have to be switched out before they could disable WiMax in a given area.
tl;dr - Don't worry about it. By the time any forced switch is actually happening you'll be looking for a new phone anyways.
drmacinyasha said:
OP, there's one major flaw:
Sprint doesn't have 700MHz spectrum, last I heard. Of the Big Four, only AT&T and VZW got in on that cake. Oops.
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Looking at the FCCs website they show 763 to 775Mhz & 793 - 805MHz are set aside for public safety services, my guess is that's what they are planning to use. Since Sprint's IDEN network is in the 800s I wouldnt think it would be too difficult to make them work on whichever frequency the FCC calls for.
http://reboot.fcc.gov/spectrumdashboard/searchSpectrum.seam
xHausx said:
Looking at the FCCs website they show 763 to 775Mhz & 793 - 805MHz are set aside for public safety services, my guess is that's what they are planning to use. Since Sprint's IDEN network is in the 800s I wouldnt think it would be too difficult to make them work on whichever frequency the FCC calls for.
http://reboot.fcc.gov/spectrumdashboard/searchSpectrum.seam
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exactly! I mean we really knew it was comming but this is one of the many nails in the coffin
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At the pace the government moves at it will be an antiquated standard by the time it rolls out anyway.
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Reminds me the Congress's 1988 legislation about the metrication of the US.
Eh it'll be funny if and when sprint goes to wimax2. Then gov will be all what happened here. Thought lte was the best. Lol
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xHausx said:
Looking at the FCCs website they show 763 to 775Mhz & 793 - 805MHz are set aside for public safety services, my guess is that's what they are planning to use. Since Sprint's IDEN network is in the 800s I wouldnt think it would be too difficult to make them work on whichever frequency the FCC calls for.
http://reboot.fcc.gov/spectrumdashboard/searchSpectrum.seam
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Wait, but isn't this a good thing? If those are LTE frequencies, then those carriers that use them will have to give them up and/or have more interference from the gov't using them.
Since Wimax is out of that range, our signals are in a less crowded spectrum.
It's like if you bought frequencies in a certain range, then the gov't steps in and say, hey wait, we want those bands for our emergency units to communicate with each other. So, you have to give them some bands in the middle of your spectrum. That would suck.
Maybe I'm not understanding this clearly, but it seems like a good thing.
When the FCC get's involved in this kind of stuff it makes me feel really uneasy. Big government leave our phones and internet along
Bigjim1488 said:
When the FCC get's involved in this kind of stuff it makes me feel really uneasy. Big government leave our phones and internet along
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Pink Floyd....lawl
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drmacinyasha said:
OP, there's one major flaw:
Sprint doesn't have 700MHz spectrum, last I heard. Of the Big Four, only AT&T and VZW got in on that cake. Oops.
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Sprint does have 700mhz spectrum. And it uses it fully, today. Remember Nextel?
I know it's hard to believe but Sprint easily has the most spectrum out of all carriers in the US.
Also, the fact that it's not 700mhz makes the network useless is a myth. Did you that 2.5ghz is the spectrum being used right now on LTE rollouts around the world? The US is pretty much the only country right now using 700mhz for LTE.
With a proper network buildout there's no difference from 700mhz to 2.5ghz.
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Sprint does have 700mhz spectrum. And it uses it fully, today. Remember Nextel?
I know it's hard to believe but Sprint easily has the most spectrum out of all carriers in the US.
Also, the fact that it's not 700mhz makes the network useless is a myth. Did you that 2.5ghz is the spectrum being used right now on LTE rollouts around the world? The US is pretty much the only country right now using 700mhz for LTE.
With a proper network buildout there's no difference from 700mhz to 2.5ghz.
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I'm not to familiar with this but doesnt 700 mhz offer better wall penetration as opposed to to 2.5 ghz? I would love decent wimax coverage indoors.
Related
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/...re-its-mouth-is-announces-lte-trial/#comments
In case anyone doesn't realize, clearwire is owned primarily by Sprint and is used for all of Sprint's 4g services.
I thought they forgot about us when they were actually just waiting to announce we were getting both LTE AND WiMAX!
just came here to post this...
and just think...one poster said basically phoenis is a bunch of low lifes with no tech jobs...thats until i informed him that he was wrong.....very wrong.
good news either way.
Press Release
Clearwire Announces New 4G LTE Technology Trials Expected to Yield Unmatched Wireless Speeds in the U.S.
* Initial Tests Expected to Demonstrate Real-World Download Speeds Ranging from 20-70 Mbps, Significantly Faster than the 5-12 Mbps Expected from Other Operators in the U.S.
* New Trials to Showcase Unique Advantages of Clearwire's Vast Spectrum Holdings and Flexibility of Company's All-IP Network Architecture to Test Multiple Coexistence Scenarios Between LTE and WiMAX
* Unprecedented Technical Trials to Test Both FDD LTE and TDD LTE Using Commercially Available Equipment on One of World's Most Widely Used 4G Frequency Band by Global Operators
KIRKLAND, Wash., Aug 04, 2010 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Clearwire Corporation (NASDAQ:CLWR), a leading provider of wireless broadband services and operator of the largest 4G network in the country, today announced plans to conduct 4G LTE technology trials expected to yield unmatched wireless speeds in the U.S., and to test multiple coexistence scenarios between LTE and WiMAX radio technologies. The new tests are designed to showcase the unique capability of Clearwire's unmatched spectrum holdings and examine a variety of potential future technology combinations that could yield additional benefits to consumers and shareholders.
"Clearwire's unmatched spectrum and all-IP network make us the only service provider in the U.S. able to conduct tests of this nature and on this scale," said Dr. John Saw, Clearwire's chief technology officer. "As we have consistently stated, we remain technology agnostic, but WiMAX provides us with unique advantages to meet the needs of our customers today. Ultimately, consumers don't care about technical acronyms, but they do care about quality and affordable Internet services that work where and when they want, and that's what we're focused on delivering. Part of our technical due diligence at Clearwire is to be prepared to leverage a number of possible opportunities as we future-proof our network, and that's the goal of these tests."
The company expects the technical trials to demonstrate that Clearwire's 4G network can deliver significantly higher performance using LTE technologies than any other operator. Clearwire plans to conduct the tests in collaboration with Huawei Technologies, the same infrastructure provider which deployed the world's first commercial LTE network in Europe, using the same spectrum band and flexible base station platform that Clearwire utilizes in the United States. In the same vein, Clearwire will also be testing LTE on Samsung Electronics' common base station platform which it currently uses for its mobile WiMAX deployments. During the trials, Clearwire will collaborate with Beceem, and other partners, to determine the best methods for enabling end-user devices to take advantage of a potential multi-mode WiMAX/LTE network. Other participating vendors for Clearwire's technical trials are expected to be named at a later date. In addition, due to the global dominance of the 2.5 GHz - 2.6 GHz spectrum band, a number of large wireless operators are expected to participate with Clearwire on these tests. Additional details about those companies are also expected to be disclosed at a later date. The tests will be conducted in the fall and throughout early 2011 in Phoenix, Arizona.
Dr. Saw continued, "The 2.5 GHz spectrum band is universally allocated for global 4G deployments, so it has the potential to create one of the world's most robust ecosystem across billions of devices. We believe this commonality will result in a massive diversity of mobile devices and applications, at comparably low costs, due to unmatched economies-of-scale. In a 4G world, wireless coverage is important, but capacity is king. This capacity is a unique and sustainable advantage for Clearwire, thanks to our all-IP network and unmatched spectrum holdings."
Test Scenarios
Clearwire expects to conduct tests across three key areas:
* FDD LTE: Clearwire intends to conduct FDD LTE (Frequency Division Duplex) tests using 40 MHz of spectrum, paired in 20 MHz contiguous channels, of its 2.5 GHz spectrum. Clearwire expects to confirm the capability to produce real-world download speeds that range from 20-70 Mbps. This is expected to be significantly faster than the 5-12 Mbps speeds currently envisioned by other LTE deployments in the U.S., which will rely on smaller pairs of 10 Mhz channels or less.
* TDD LTE: Clearwire will concurrently test TDD LTE (Time Division Duplex), in a 20 MHz configuration, which is twice the channel size currently used in its 4G WiMAX deployments.
* WiMAX and LTE: Clearwire will also test WiMAX co-existence with both FDD LTE and TDD LTE to confirm the flexibility of its network and spectrum strength to simultaneously support a wide-range of devices across its all-IP network.
The company also restated its commitment to use WiMAX technology for its current 4G build plan. Since the company expects that a significant number of LTE devices will be available in coming years, Clearwire is conducting technical trials to determine how it could potentially add LTE technology to coexist with WiMAX.
Additional details about the new technology tests were not disclosed. General information about Clearwire is available at http://www.clearwire.com. For more information about CLEAR 4G service, visit http://www.clear.com or The CLEAR Blog http://www.theclearblog.com. You can also follow CLEAR information on Twitter at @Clear.
For press and broadcast: product images, video footage and company logos can be downloaded from the Clearwire website at: http://www.clearwire.com/newsroom. To subscribe to Clearwire's RSS news feed, click here.
About Clearwire
Clearwire Corporation (NASDAQ:CLWR), through its operating subsidiaries, is a leading provider of wireless broadband services. As of June 30, Clearwire's 4G network is currently available in areas of the U.S. where approximately 56 million people live and the company plans to continue to expand its 4G coverage. Clearwire's open all-IP network, combined with significant spectrum holdings, provides an unprecedented combination of speed and mobility to deliver next generation broadband access. The company markets its 4G service through its own brand called CLEAR(R) as well as through its wholesale relationships with Sprint, Comcast and Time Warner Cable. Strategic investors include Intel Capital, Comcast, Sprint, Google, Time Warner Cable, and Bright House Networks. Clearwire is headquartered in Kirkland, Wash. Additional information is available at http://www.clearwire.com.
That's insane , in a good way off course. To have both LTE And wimax, oh boy this is scary.
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Time to start checking for 4g every couple of days - clearwire has a habit of turning up their wimax radios long before they actually release a press release saying it's fully turned on...
It will be a trial, but will it be an internal trial?
If I live in Phx, will I get those insane speeds with my Evo this fall?
That'd be mostly welcome =D
foueddyf said:
It will be a trial, but will it be an internal trial?
If I live in Phx, will I get those insane speeds with my Evo this fall?
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You won't be able to use LTE (which they are touting as having the "insane speeds") with the Evo as it is WiMAX only, but when they say a trial, I assume they are referring to at least turning on Sprint device access to WiMAX.
holob said:
You won't be able to use LTE (which they are touting as having the "insane speeds") with the Evo as it is WiMAX only, but when they say a trial, I assume they are referring to at least turning on Sprint device access to WiMAX.
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I thought the main difference between Wimax and LTE was software and not hardware, so with an update to our radio it should be able to access the LTE network.
About damn time.....
sweet, ill just be getting back there for school, this works out perfectly
Wait, I just realized this means absolutely nothing for us as of now. This isn't an official release of "sprint's" 4g, just an expansion of clear's infrastructure that's already here.
Sorry guys, until Sprint opens the doors on clear's 4g for us, then there's nothing to get excited about.
naw son
foueddyf said:
It will be a trial, but will it be an internal trial?
If I live in Phx, will I get those insane speeds with my Evo this fall?
That'd be mostly welcome =D
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The EVO is WiMax only. It's core processor is not configured for LTE's modulation and would require physical correction to activate LTE capabilities, as software would only "allow" it, but wouldn't make it happen. As far as WiMax availability, WiMax would only become availabe via a deliberate build-out of WiMax capable reception towers. These LTE trials are on a "minimum necessary" basis i.e. they don't erect many towers, won't include multimode WiMax/LTE towers, and it's possible the towers in these trials may only be used on temporary licensing and zoning permits that require their dismantling after a certain period of time or require costly re-certification. In addition, it'd be unwise for a cash flow ignorant company like Sprint/Clear to continue wasting money by erecting multimode LTE/WiMax towers when WiMax has already been proven enough that it should just be deployed. Multimode towers will continue to be more costly to run with the increasing demand for network capacity. If multimode towers are used just for a trial, it'd really be a spit in the face to those already paying for 4G speeds with the data premium required for having a EVO.
edtate said:
Wait, I just realized this means absolutely nothing for us as of now. This isn't an official release of "sprint's" 4g, just an expansion of clear's infrastructure that's already here.
Sorry guys, until Sprint opens the doors on clear's 4g for us, then there's nothing to get excited about.
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I believe Sprint gets automatic access to clear's 4g when they turn it on. Press releases usually coincide for Sprint and Clearwire to the minute and Sprint is the controlling and majority shareholder for Clearwire. Once Clearwire turns on WiMAX service here, we should have access to it.
Also, if you notice in Clear's press releases they mention "wholesale" customers and that they get a "nominal" fee for them even if they aren't in a covered area. Basically, Clearwire gets an automatic chunk of that $10 fee we pay even if we aren't in a 4g area.
JBundy said:
The EVO is WiMax only. It's core processor is not configured for LTE's modulation and would require physical correction to activate LTE capabilities, as software would only "allow" it, but wouldn't make it happen. As far as WiMax availability, WiMax would only become availabe via a deliberate build-out of WiMax capable reception towers. These LTE trials are on a "minimum necessary" basis i.e. they don't erect many towers, won't include multimode WiMax/LTE towers, and it's possible the towers in these trials may only be used on temporary licensing and zoning permits that require their dismantling after a certain period of time or require costly re-certification. In addition, it'd be unwise for a cash flow ignorant company like Sprint/Clear to continue wasting money by erecting multimode LTE/WiMax towers when WiMax has already been proven enough that it should just be deployed. Multimode towers will continue to be more costly to run with the increasing demand for network capacity. If multimode towers are used just for a trial, it'd really be a spit in the face to those already paying for 4G speeds with the data premium required for having a EVO.
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It says specifically that they are doing a multimode trial here and previous Clearwire and Sprint statements have indicated that they are looking to build out LTE (and possibly transition away from WiMAX completely eventually). The main reason for this is likely that all other nationwide cell providers in the US will be going LTE and Sprint does not want to be the odd-man-out with WiMAX. It's likely that they were leave both on for a while and transition to LTE-only eventually. Clearwire has the spectrum to leave both on at the same time for a while.
holob said:
It says specifically that they are doing a multimode trial here and previous Clearwire and Sprint statements have indicated that they are looking to build out LTE (and possibly transition away from WiMAX completely eventually). The main reason for this is likely that all other nationwide cell providers in the US will be going LTE and Sprint does not want to be the odd-man-out with WiMAX. It's likely that they were leave both on for a while and transition to LTE-only eventually. Clearwire has the spectrum to leave both on at the same time for a while.
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Thanks for the clarification. I stand corrected. Clearwire should be kissing Intel's ass for being able to go multimode. @Holob, maybe post what you observe this fall??? Looking forward to it here in Wisconsin. We have been given no forward looking statement of when to expect anything here.
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It says specifically that they are doing a multimode trial here and previous Clearwire and Sprint statements have indicated that they are looking to build out LTE (and possibly transition away from WiMAX completely eventually). The main reason for this is likely that all other nationwide cell providers in the US will be going LTE and Sprint does not want to be the odd-man-out with WiMAX. It's likely that they were leave both on for a while and transition to LTE-only eventually. Clearwire has the spectrum to leave both on at the same time for a while.
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The results of the trial is the direction Sprint/Clearwire will go. Sprint wants to change its core network so either they will do LTE/WiMax, transition to WiMax 2 (no way that's happening), or fully transition their current WiMax to LTE. They are planning to upgrade current WiMax 802.16e to WiMax 802.16e Enhanced, which bridge them closer to WiMax 2, TD-LTE, and FDD-LTE.
Another issue is which version of LTE will Sprint/Clearwire chooses. If they decide to go with TDD-LTE, they will be still be the odd man out. The majority of the world is going with FDD. Different bands will be an issue, but roaming agreements will probably take place. All of the US carriers will need this be to solved.
Sent from the EPIC 4G with Sprint.
On paper, Sprint and T-Mobile seem like complete opposites: Sprint has 4G, T-Mobile has "4G speeds" with HSPA+; Sprint is CDMA, T-Mobile is GSM; Sprint is yellow, T-Mobile is magenta. Ok, maybe that last one is a bit of a stretch, but you get the point. Despite the glaring differences, a rumor has surfaced today stating that the two carriers may soon be in cahoots to finish building out Sprint's 4G network. Three people "familiar with the situation" have spoken to the Wall Street Journal, saying that Sprint's board of directors is considering allowing T-Mobile to invest in Clearwire, the company that is aiding Sprint with their WiMAX network (Sprint also owns 54 percent of Clearwire). Clearwire currently needs billions of dollars to finished expanding its 4G network, the WSJ says, and it needs to figure out if it will continue to soldier on alone or get some financial aid from T-Mobile. This isn't the first time we've heard the possibility of Sprint and T-Mobile teaming up and, if Clearwire and Sprint need as much cash as the WSJ says they do, it may not be the last time.
Although Sprint and T-Mobile could use each other to help bring the fight to AT&T and Verizon, I would be kind of surprised to the number three and four carriers come together. T-Mobile seems pretty invested in their HSPA+ network upgrades and, if they were to invest in WiMAX, their hot new HSPA+ phones would become kind of obsolete. It would, however, allow them to immediately have a 4G network available to some of its customers, so maybe the idea isn't so far-fetched. What do you think, readers? Will we soon be hearing about SprinT-Mobile?
source: http://www.phonedog.com/2010/09/03/rumor-sprint-and-t-mobile-may-team-up-to-complete-4g-network/
I'll believe it when I see it. Number three and number four? I agree with T being four in terms of network Sprint is #2 behind Verizon last I heard.
auau465121 said:
On paper, Sprint and T-Mobile seem like complete opposites: Sprint has 4G, T-Mobile has "4G speeds" with HSPA+; Sprint is CDMA, T-Mobile is GSM; Sprint is yellow, T-Mobile is magenta. Ok, maybe that last one is a bit of a stretch, but you get the point. Despite the glaring differences, a rumor has surfaced today stating that the two carriers may soon be in cahoots to finish building out Sprint's 4G network. Three people "familiar with the situation" have spoken to the Wall Street Journal, saying that Sprint's board of directors is considering allowing T-Mobile to invest in Clearwire, the company that is aiding Sprint with their WiMAX network (Sprint also owns 54 percent of Clearwire). Clearwire currently needs billions of dollars to finished expanding its 4G network, the WSJ says, and it needs to figure out if it will continue to soldier on alone or get some financial aid from T-Mobile. This isn't the first time we've heard the possibility of Sprint and T-Mobile teaming up and, if Clearwire and Sprint need as much cash as the WSJ says they do, it may not be the last time.
Although Sprint and T-Mobile could use each other to help bring the fight to AT&T and Verizon, I would be kind of surprised to the number three and four carriers come together. T-Mobile seems pretty invested in their HSPA+ network upgrades and, if they were to invest in WiMAX, their hot new HSPA+ phones would become kind of obsolete. It would, however, allow them to immediately have a 4G network available to some of its customers, so maybe the idea isn't so far-fetched. What do you think, readers? Will we soon be hearing about SprinT-Mobile?
source: http://www.phonedog.com/2010/09/03/rumor-sprint-and-t-mobile-may-team-up-to-complete-4g-network/
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Last I read, Sprint is moving forward with LTE purchases. That opens talks again with T.
T will not move to wimax.
Bielinsk said:
Last I read, Sprint is moving forward with LTE purchases. That opens talks again with T.
T will not move to wimax.
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I heard that too... but HSPA+ is not LTE and neither are technically 4G. i dont really consider wimax to to be 4G either thou.
"An IMT-Advanced cellular system must have target peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility such as nomadic/local wireless access, according to the ITU requirements. Scalable bandwidths up to at least 40 MHz should be provided."
I dont want a merger lol less competition equals more money from my pockets. There is plenty of competition right now though among the monthly plan companies keeping things low I guess.
Also it sounds like T-Mobile would be paying Sprint to help build 4G and T-Mobile would get in reward to use 4G. So... now we gotta share with T-Mobile. Also I bet if we start sharing we get capped. I mean currently 4G is uncapped mostly because there arnt a huge network of people using all of its resources.
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I dont want a merger lol less competition equals more money from my pockets. There is plenty of competition right now though among the monthly plan companies keeping things low I guess.
Also it sounds like T-Mobile would be paying Sprint to help build 4G and T-Mobile would get in reward to use 4G. So... now we gotta share with T-Mobile. Also I bet if we start sharing we get capped. I mean currently 4G is uncapped mostly because there arnt a huge network of people using all of its resources.
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Not quite. The reason there aren't any worries with WiMax is because of the huge amounts of bandwidth Clearwire and Sprint have access to. The bandwidth combined with the shorter range of towers means that the network can handle a lot of people using the network at any given time. T-mobile is small enough, it shouldn't make a big enough difference. The bandwidth part won't change if they ever convert to LTE, so Clear and Sprint have the advantage right now due to having the only functioning 4G capable network and the ability to upgrade that network relatively effortlessly, and still have enough bandwidth to beat Verizon/everyone else.
I actually don't think this is a bad idea. If it would help expedite the expansion of the 4G network then onward and upward I say. For the amount of bandwidth that T-Mo would gain access to it would be a benefit to them. And maybe Sprint could get some pointers from T-Mo on customer service. Sprint has come a long way in that respect since we signed up, but I hear a lot of T customers swear by the service they get. All in all it sounds like it could have a win-win for both companies and the customers. Then again corporate America has an amazing penchant for screwing up what could otherwise be a good thing. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Rumor has been going around for quite some time - today was hardly the first mention of this in the media...
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I actually don't think this is a bad idea. If it would help expedite the expansion of the 4G network then onward and upward I say. For the amount of bandwidth that T-Mo would gain access to it would be a benefit to them. And maybe Sprint could get some pointers from T-Mo on customer service. Sprint has come a long way in that respect since we signed up, but I hear a lot of T customers swear by the service they get. All in all it sounds like it could have a win-win for both companies and the customers. Then again corporate America has an amazing penchant for screwing up what could otherwise be a good thing. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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You would be right.my brother had/has nothing but great things to say about tmobile cs.
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I wish they would team up so I could get my hands on a G2.
WiMax for a long time.
http://www.talkandroid.com/32355-sprint-ceo-clearwire-in-every-option-for-companys-future/
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WiMax for a long time.
http://www.talkandroid.com/32355-sprint-ceo-clearwire-in-every-option-for-companys-future/
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Good info, but why is the thread titled "we have LTE?" Isn't this the complete opposite of that?
Good good. Looks like we can hope for increased speed and better coverage in the future.
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Now if they would bring 4G to Louisville.. that would be great
Lexington, KY, SIR
I got family in the Atlanta area, Im considering moving there to enjoy some 4g, plus living out here in the sticks is boring as hell.
Why is it called "there you have LTE"???
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I got family in the Atlanta area, Im considering moving there to enjoy some 4g, plus living out here in the sticks is boring as hell.
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I wouldn't move just for 4G. It's seriously not that big a deal. I live in a 4G area and I very, very rarely turn on my 4G radio.
However, I see in your info that you live in Dexter, so you might want to GTFO no matter what! lol (I grew up in Sikeston!)
Great sprint is sticking to a slow ass 4g network that I can't use indoors and is available for 10% of the population lol
I hope the tmobile thing happens though. Would be nice to have done real 4g.
Anyways just my .02
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Your title maybe accurate.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...And-Clearwire-Are-Absolutely-Going-LTE-113089
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WiMax for a long time.
http://www.talkandroid.com/32355-sprint-ceo-clearwire-in-every-option-for-companys-future/
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The article doesn't say no LTE. It says they intend to continue working with clearwire. It doesn't preclude that they'd do an LTE network of their own, or that clearwire would move to or add LTE.
And CEO statements on future plans are valid for only as long as it takes the sound to leave their mouth. Sometimes not even that long.
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The article doesn't say no LTE. It says they intend to continue working with clearwire. It doesn't preclude that they'd do an LTE network of their own, or that clearwire would move to or add LTE.
And CEO statements on future plans are valid for only as long as it takes the sound to leave their mouth. Sometimes not even that long.
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Not now, in the future. Maybe when they buy tmobile.
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Who cares just wait for wimax 2 and lte will be a joke
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Who cares just wait for wimax 2 and lte will be a joke
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Out of curiosity, does wimax 2 penetrate better? (insert butthead laughing here)
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The article doesn't say no LTE. It says they intend to continue working with clearwire. It doesn't preclude that they'd do an LTE network of their own, or that clearwire would move to or add LTE.
And CEO statements on future plans are valid for only as long as it takes the sound to leave their mouth. Sometimes not even that long.
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it does mention wimax... and long future.
i am glad we are staying with wimax.. and hope this is not a smoke screen.
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Your title maybe accurate.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...And-Clearwire-Are-Absolutely-Going-LTE-113089
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Ignore The Smoke: Sprint And Clearwire Are Absolutely Going LTE
CEO Continues To Downplay Massive Shift On Horizon
by Karl Bode 3 hours ago tags: coverage · business · hardware · bandwidth · consumers · Sprint Telecom · wireless · Clearwire Wireless · Clearwire
Yesterday we exclusively reported that Lightsquared would be ditching Nokia for their LTE network build, instead piggybacking on Sprint's base station overhaul being conducted by Alcatel-Lucent, Ericcson and Samsung. Speaking at the Deutsche Bank Media and Telecom Conference today (audio here), Sprint CEO Dan Hesse reiterated Sprint's dedication to Clearwire and WiMax, despite numerous signs the company is ready to go the LTE route, alone if necessary. "Every option that we're looking at, every one includes WiMAX and Clearwire," Hesse informed attendees, while insisting that neither Clearwire or Sprint have made any decision to migrate to LTE.
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That's in sharp contrast from what we're hearing from numerous insiders at both companies. Several sources familiar with Sprint's engineering agenda note that Sprint absolutely will be going LTE, though WiMax service will be run simultaneously initially. Aside from the energy efficiency and cost savings, LTE flexibility is among the top reasons for Sprint's recently announced $5 billion base station retrofit.
Insiders familiar with Clearwire's plans meanwhile tell Broadband Reports Clearwire has also already made the decision to embrace LTE -- and the only question is what specific flavor of LTE and what vendor(s). Next month Clearwire executives will attend a test of three different LTE technologies from various vendors, including TD-LTE and FD-LTE, outside of Scottsdale, Arizona. Meanwhile, several Clearwire sources insist the company has placed a freeze on the installation of any new Mobile WiMax basestations.
While it's clear that all of this signals the inevitable death of Mobile WiMax as a serious player in North America (outside of niche application), what isn't clear is the width and breadth of Sprint and Clearwire's future relationship. That won't be fully apparent until Sprint and Clearwire negotiations are complete. Sprint's future plans could very well include Clearwire, though Sprint has been engaged in a significant number of contingency plans in case Clearwire falters, ranging from their as-yet-unannounced partnership with Lightsquared, to this week's renewed rumors of a potential T-Mobile/Sprint merger. Expect Lightsquared to make some of this official at CTIA later this month.
dont care if its 4g or LTE ... FIX YOUR DAMN 3g data !
yeah article doesn't say they wont go LTE just that they are sticking with WiMax for a long time with Clearwire. Its been rumored also for awhile that they could do dual WiMax and add LTE on the old nextel freq. Which makes sense, why ditch wimax and that use of the spectrum if you dont have to? There not putting LTE in that band so it makes no sense to get fully rid of WiMax.
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Not now, in the future. Maybe when they buy tmobile.
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soo... is it confirmed that the t-mobile buyout is happening then?
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soo... is it confirmed that the t-mobile buyout is happening then?
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Interesting...
http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/03/08/another-rumor-lightsquared-sprint/
Looks like Sprint and LightSquared might be linking up to provide LTE over S's existing spectrum.
Meanwhile, in the same article, it seems that Clear is also looking at converting their towers to LTE base-stations, with the ability to deliver 90Mbps (in un-congested cells) downstream (the carrier in Japan that's getting the EVO said their WiMax network was going to deliver similar capability).
So, is it a done deal: Sprint to LTE (with some spectrum at 2.5GHz standardized around the world), with Clear's network augmenting and providing density?
Also interesting: Best Buy is buying wholesale access from LightSquared -
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/23/best-buy-signs-up-for-lightsquareds-wholesale-lte-service/
Looks like a very fast, and very LTE future for S. Anyone up for an EVO 5LTE?
really interesting so their not using the 700 mhz band like verizon theyre using the 2.5ghz isnt that bad because it cant penetrate buildings as easily?
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really interesting so their not using the 700 mhz band like verizon theyre using the 2.5ghz isnt that bad because it cant penetrate buildings as easily?
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Verizon has bought all the good spectrums
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
Lightsquared I believe owns spectrum in the 1400-1500mhz frequencies. If they are going to use Clear's 2500mhz frequency to augment and help with capacity that sounds like a plan.
Edit - article states lightsquared owns spectrum in the 1600mhz frequency. That's still much better than Clear's 2500mhz, and Sprint was able to build their PCS network with 1900mhz frequency.
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That 2.5GHz band is apparently a world-standard. Maybe they have to bump up the wattage to get better penetration into dense buildings?
I was reading a couple of other articles and they are suggesting that Sprint might be talking about acquiring LightSquared. They apparently will be doing some network-sharing definitely.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/report-lightsquared-talks-sprint-network-sharing-deal/2011-02-23
And interestingly in this ^^^ same article, Dan Hesse is saying that actual field deployment of LTE in their eight largest metro areas will start in the "August timeframe." What??!!
That's interesting to me, because that dude BSOD over at the Android Forums said that the new EVO 3D would be WiMax- and LTE-capable. Makes me wonder if there's a little trick hidden up the EVO 3D's sleeve -- WiMax AND LTE capability -- that Sprint is being coy about right now...
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That 2.5GHz band is apparently a world-standard. Maybe they have to bump up the wattage to get better penetration into dense buildings?
I was reading a couple of other articles and they are suggesting that Sprint might be talking about acquiring LightSquared. They apparently will be doing some network-sharing definitely.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/report-lightsquared-talks-sprint-network-sharing-deal/2011-02-23
And interestingly in this ^^^ same article, Dan Hesse is saying that actual field deployment of LTE in their eight largest metro areas will start in the "August timeframe." What??!!
That's interesting to me, because that dude BSOD over at the Android Forums said that the new EVO 3D would be WiMax- and LTE-capable. Makes me wonder if there's a little trick hidden up the EVO 3D's sleeve -- WiMax AND LTE capability -- that Sprint is being coy about right now...
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It is rumored that the Evo 3D is both WiMax/LTE capable.
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And interestingly in this ^^^ same article, Dan Hesse is saying that actual field deployment of LTE in their eight largest metro areas will start in the "August timeframe." What??!!
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Haha, I just totally went to Wikipedia to see where San Diego was on the list of largest U.S. cities. #8.
I'm really hoping that Sprint does start to move to LTE soon, as it seems like the spread of WiMax has either slowed to a crawl, or completely stopped. Not really a point in having a 4G phone, if you're never going to get the 4G that your phone has a radio for.
That said, I really hope the E3D is WiMax/LTE...it's the only phone I've seen so far that I will trade my EVO for.
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It is rumored that the Evo 3D is both WiMax/LTE capable.
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Exactly. But no one is talking about it right now.
Kinda makes me think that Sprint has an "October Surprise" of its own planned.
once we get a tear down of this phone we can know for sure what it has in it.
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Haha, I just totally went to Wikipedia to see where San Diego was on the list of largest U.S. cities. #8.
I'm really hoping that Sprint does start to move to LTE soon, as it seems like the spread of WiMax has either slowed to a crawl, or completely stopped. Not really a point in having a 4G phone, if you're never going to get the 4G that your phone has a radio for.
That said, I really hope the E3D is WiMax/LTE...it's the only phone I've seen so far that I will trade my EVO for.
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I hope Los Angeles gets it. Plenty cities got WiMAX before Los Angeles, which I found odd considering LA is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country. Of course, LA is also very spread out, whereas other major metropolitan centers are more compact (see: New York City). Here's hoping for some lovely LTE on our new Evo 3Ds.
I'm still trying to figure out what all the hype about LTE is over. Sure Clear's spectrum sucks for building penetration and their bandwidth is way to small at 10MHz but how would using LTE make it any better?
This may be slightly off topic since I know light squared is bringing more spectrum to the table, but I'm seriously confused about it all.
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I'm still trying to figure out what all the hype about LTE is over. Sure Clear's spectrum sucks for building penetration and their bandwidth is way to small at 10MHz but how would using LTE make it any better?
This may be slightly off topic since I know light squared is bringing more spectrum to the table, but I'm seriously confused about it all.
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Lightsquared has a lot of Spectrum in the 1600mhz spectrum. With the rumors of them partnering with Sprint on the Network Vision/Project Leapfrog buildout, they will put their equipment on Sprint's towers. This helps with the speed of the build out, and building penetration won't be as much of an issue as 2500mhz Wimax. Most of Sprint's towers were spaced for 1900mhz (they didn't have 800mhz until acquiring Nextel), so I would assume 1600mhz LTE should be fine for indoor use.
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Yay lets achieve 90mbps in areas that already have 4G and not roll it out to the little guys who still can't get 4G(very populated area). Sprints network blows.
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Haha, I just totally went to Wikipedia to see where San Diego was on the list of largest U.S. cities. #8.
I'm really hoping that Sprint does start to move to LTE soon, as it seems like the spread of WiMax has either slowed to a crawl, or completely stopped. Not really a point in having a 4G phone, if you're never going to get the 4G that your phone has a radio for.
That said, I really hope the E3D is WiMax/LTE...it's the only phone I've seen so far that I will trade my EVO for.
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I hope Los Angeles gets it. Plenty cities got WiMAX before Los Angeles, which I found odd considering LA is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country. Of course, LA is also very spread out, whereas other major metropolitan centers are more compact (see: New York City). Here's hoping for some lovely LTE on our new Evo 3Ds.
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I think the operative term is "their eight largest" metropolitan areas -- meaning the eight markets that have the most Sprint customers, regardless their place in the overall largest metro areas. I assume that Sprint's 8 largest markets are roughly similar to the largest metro areas overall.
Hopefully, we'll all be benefiting from dramatically faster mobile broadband speeds.
Sprint's 4G solution is at a crawl or complete stop, because that's exactly what happened. The rollout is at a complete stop, and both companies still are not at an agreement. The ones who are still committed to Clear stopped investing, and it's just a mess. Sprint wants Clear to join their Network Vision, which would save both companies billions of dollars. This is the holdup on Sprint's decision towards LTE. Lightsquared is ready to use their Network Vision, and will pay Sprint for it. Clear better make their decision quick, or other companies will help Sprint make the decision soon.
The 8 largest metropolitan cities that Hesse was talking about was their multi-mode towers, and nothing more. Sprint have "soft" LTE markets, but nothing close to launch. Clear is holding **** up.
As for the EVO 3D having Beceem's BCS500 chip, which will be the first of its kind and not even in mass production, is driving me up the wall. That and a firmware, not hardware revisions, will make their old 4G capable devices run LTE. People don't think for themselves anymore. MSM8660 is not LTE-capable or 1X- Advanced/SVDO ready, but if BSOD said it, it's true. I guess I have to find the secret Sim Card later on today.
Don't be so quick to jump on the Lightsquared bandwagon. They will soon be shutdown by the FCC and FAA if they can't solve the bleed over problem. Seems their tech interferes with GPS and WAAS receivers making them a danger to aviation and air traffic control. During tests an aircraft within 15 miles of their towers have had total GPS failure. They've been working on it for a while but haven't been able to fix it. Now they are trying to blame the GPS manufacturers, but it is a spectrum issue and the FAA may force the FCC to block the spectrum if they can't solve their noise bleedover problem into the GPS spectrum.
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Interesting...
http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/03/08/another-rumor-lightsquared-sprint/
Looks like Sprint and LightSquared might be linking up to provide LTE over S's existing spectrum.
Meanwhile, in the same article, it seems that Clear is also looking at converting their towers to LTE base-stations, with the ability to deliver 90Mbps (in un-congested cells) downstream (the carrier in Japan that's getting the EVO said their WiMax network was going to deliver similar capability).
So, is it a done deal: Sprint to LTE (with some spectrum at 2.5GHz standardized around the world), with Clear's network augmenting and providing density?
Also interesting: Best Buy is buying wholesale access from LightSquared -
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/23/best-buy-signs-up-for-lightsquareds-wholesale-lte-service/
Looks like a very fast, and very LTE future for S. Anyone up for an EVO 5LTE?
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Doubt sprint moves fully to a LTE only network anytime in the near future.
Check out this video with the Clearwire CTO discussing the LTE trials.
http://www.lightreading.com/video.asp?doc_id=205968&
He clearly talks about how they are looking at doing both. He also says their trails will not be done for a few more months.
The good thing is the speed he reports being able to get is outstanding!
a couple points of clarification;
Re in-building penetration at 2.5 GHz. This is a major downside to using 2.5GHz frequencies, but part of the advantage to network vision is that Sprint will be able to use various technologies at different frequencies. So they'll be able to run WiMax and / or LTE at the 1.9 GHz frequencies that are currently used for CDMA / EVDO, and eventually even at the 800 MHz frequencies currently used by the iDEN network (current PTT users will need to be migrated to next-generation PTT on CDMA before that spectrum can be used for other technologies. The upside to 2.5 GHz is the amount of Bandwidth Sprint's got there. Prior to the Sprint / Nextel merger, each company had enough bandwidth on it's own to run a nationwide 4G network at 2.5GHz (Nextel even trialed a Flash-OFDM based network for a while in 2003/2004, but the technology wasn't ready yet and the real-world performance was not any faster than 3G).
Regarding bandwidth, Sprint / Clear has an average of 120 MHz of bandwidth at 2.5GHz, not 10 MHz. Some of that may be Sprint's and some may be Clears, but my understanding is that most of that is owned by Clear as that bandwidth constituted the bulk of Sprint's investment in Clear. Either company should be able make use of plenty of spectrum at 2.5 GHZ for whatever purposes they deem worthy, assuming they can work out their pricing arguments. Some articles that came out a couple of weeks ago (I think one was in the Wall Street Journal, among other financial sites) made it sound like they're close to hashing out some sort of agreement, and that Clear will have the cash it needs this spring. Can't happen soon enough if you ask me.
And lastly, there's no way Sprint would move to LTE exclusively. The new multi-modal towers make it very easy to deploy multiple technology side by side. Since the network format will be decoupled from network hardware, running a new network on the same tower is as easy as pushing a software update out to the tower. There's no need to uninstall the old technology to enable new technology. Sprint's got too many 4G customers already on board to make them all migrate to a new technology, and Hesse has publicly stated that Sprint's future in 4G will include WiMax regardless of whatever else may be offered.
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Don't be so quick to jump on the Lightsquared bandwagon. They will soon be shutdown by the FCC and FAA if they can't solve the bleed over problem. Seems their tech interferes with GPS and WAAS receivers making them a danger to aviation and air traffic control. During tests an aircraft within 15 miles of their towers have had total GPS failure. They've been working on it for a while but haven't been able to fix it. Now they are trying to blame the GPS manufacturers, but it is a spectrum issue and the FAA may force the FCC to block the spectrum if they can't solve their noise bleedover problem into the GPS spectrum.
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Do you have any articles about the bleed over? I'd love to read more into this.
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Do you have any articles about the bleed over? I'd love to read more into this.
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dude who do you get your internet service from to get that speed in your sig? I know PSINET went under long ago in '01 i think so speedtest is reporting the isp wront on the result there.
Looks like Sprint's getting ready to deploy LTE. What does everyone think?
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/17/sprint-to-deploy-4g-lte-network-with-lightsquared/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-17/falcone-s-lightsquared-venture-reaches-a-15-year-network-deal-with-sprint.html
Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Yeah, thats what I'm worried about, I wish/hope its as easy as a change of a frequency channel.
I"m sure they will iron those wrinkles before flipping the switch.
It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
Ok, so lets say they deploy this 4g lte network... what happens to their 4g wimax network? From what little I know about wimax and lte chipsets, I dont think it would be possible for a firmware upgrade to turn wimax to lte. What happens to clear? One important thing to remember is that I didnt actually read the article so these questions may already be answered. haha.
Although, if my evo became a 3g only device, I would actually be ok with that if they drop the $10 a month surcharge
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It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
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Words straight out of my mouth.
is there a resource that lists open frequency ranges?
Could the new radio(SMR) thats in the evo 3d work on this frequency and be a dual wimax/lte combo?
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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here is a chart..
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf
I assume any potential move to lte will address wimax's inferior latency?
Sprint end users will NOT use LTE most likely ever. Sprint (the provider service) will utilize LTE strickly for back haul only. This is a very good thing for us the end user, basically means to us that we will have lots of bandwidth on tap. Wimax offers up to 12MB d/l transport speeds which most of us probably never see anyway. I personally get 7-8 around Baltimore/Annapolis areas of Maryland and this will hopefully allows us to have the bandwidth assuming more towers are deployed for our cell connectivity. This is a very good thing for us and the sooner the better!
sounds like lte will come later on firat is evdo rev o then rev a then rev b then do then do advance then lte
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I have spoken to my sprint rep a lot about how Sprint works. He used to work for Samsung and distributed phones to carriers in the northeastern part of the united states. Because of this, he learned a lot about Sprint. One thing that he learned was that Sprint has the most bandwidth out of all the carriers, and it is one of the main reasons why theory data is truly unlimited.
Just throwing that out there.
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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It talks about Sprint using LTE in the third paragraph of the Bloomberg article.
“LightSquared and Sprint will jointly develop, deploy and operate LightSquared’s 4G LTE network,” according to the letter. “Sprint will become a significant customer of LightSquared’s 4G LTE network.”
Yet more money wasted on Wimax and shoveled into another bad relationship (Clearwire) Stay comfy in number 3 because you're going to be seated here a while, Sprint. At the very least they woke up and realized LTE is the way to go.
However even after Clearwire's long gone. Those who already have Wimax 4g will still be supported until after their devices are long gone. The only ones who will be bit will be the ones that should have upgraded lone ago. Like the ones today who are still carrying around Cingular phones refusing to upgrade to AT&T So at least Sprint will keep their core customers happy to an extent.
Sprint desperate to jump into the LTE iPhone train next year?
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What good is backhaul when the airwaves can't reach end users?
It's like having a download server capable of gigabit speed, along with an ISP who can deliver it to you. Except you're saddled with a 1991-vintage 10 Mbps ethernet card.
That's the problem I've been noticing with WiMAX. Sprint has one hell of a data network, but the airwaves used to deliver that network are congested and not well suited to the consumer's needs.
I wonder how likely it is that an upcoming Galaxy 2 or Photon 4G will be LTE / Wimax on Sprint...