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First charge Touch HD

How many hours should last the first charge for best results?
Should exhaust the remaining battery (factory) and then charge?
Thanx in advance.

I think the genreal idea is to charge fully and discharge as much as possible before recharging and trying to establish this cycle for the first week or so.
I think as long as you don't keep topping it up at 50% power for the first week, you should be ok.
BANE

geo_25 said:
How many hours should last the first charge for best results?
Should exhaust the remaining battery (factory) and then charge?
Thanx in advance.
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If you would have taken the time to read the manual, you should know it takes about 3 hours to fully charge the Touch HD when you take it out of the box. I advise 1 time a week to fully discharge the Touch HD to about 5-10% and then charge it back to 100%. That's what I'm doing, and I can use my battery for over 3 days now.

Searching google i found this
http://www.megamobilecontent.com/tips/HTC-Touch HD/All-c0/Page-1/Long-Battery-life-427/
but it is not referred if i should exhaust the remaining battery.

i read in a magazine that in the first 3 charges you should let it drain fully.
and then it says almost the same as what it says in post above from geo_25

Is it OK to have the device switched on during that first charge?
Ta

What if i leave the device on MUSIC thru out the night and drain the battery over night and charge during the day and follows same pattern for three days.Will that be okay?

Alkali said:
What if i leave the device on MUSIC thru out the night and drain the battery over night and charge during the day and follows same pattern for three days.Will that be okay?
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Yes that is OK, so discharge it any how you can, music, gps, movies...
I remember Nokia used to tell it's service people that within the first month the phone is recommended to be discharged and fully charged 2-3 times, and then it's advisable to do the same once in every 3-4 months to refresh the battery cells.
Funny in most laptops you have a option of calibrating the battery.

Here is a TIP for you....
I've had the HD for a week now. I wanted to let my battery drain, but I often plugged the phone in to my PC and the battery kept charging up.
Soooo, I recommend you tap on the battery icon at the top, then again on the battery icon in the middle of that menu, and then place a check mark to DISABLE charging the battery when the USB is connected.
After you are done going through the fully-drain / fully-charge periods, you can take that check mark off if you want.
PS - Anyone know if the battery has memory? In other words, is it bad to charge it longer than the recommended 3 hours?

geo_25 said:
How many hours should last the first charge for best results?
Should exhaust the remaining battery (factory) and then charge?
Thanx in advance.
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Lots of mis-information in this thread. I think lots of you are quoting old practices from when phones used Ni-Cd batteries. They developed memories. Li-Ion cells do not. (Which the HD has). You should do a full charge/discharge once in a long while to make sure the phone's voltage meter is calibrated correctly, but that has nothing to do with the battery cell itself. Here's some reading material: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

This may help.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm

Yet Another Battery Tip

Well... I completely stopped charging my phone with the wall charger and I am now just using either my car charger or USB and i've noticed my phone over the last two days has probably doubled in being able to hold a charge. Today I made approximately 2 or 3 30 minute - 1 hour calls, used the internet approximately 20 times for about 5 minutes each time and used SNESnoid for approximately 1 hour straight and my battery was at 40% after a 10 hour work day, not too shabby. Not to mention I also don't get that annoying 10% drop within 10 minutes of unplugging the phone anymore
I've seen a ton of other battery tip's but I've yet to see any actually say stop using a wall charger all together. Here's to hoping this helps someone

Lol thanks for the tip. I highly doubt this is anymore then a placebo but good luck to whoever tries it. Not calling you OP I am just finding it hard to believe.
Furthermore, have you tried reseting your battery stats. I mean the initial 100-90 percent drop you are calling to quick sounds like its the fault of bad battery stats. If you need a link to how to reset your battery PM me only because I might not check back to this post lol.

DirtyShroomz said:
Well... I completely stopped charging my phone with the wall charger and I am now just using either my car charger or USB and i've noticed my phone over the last two days has probably doubled in being able to hold a charge. Today I made approximately 2 or 3 30 minute - 1 hour calls, used the internet approximately 20 times for about 5 minutes each time and used SNESnoid for approximately 1 hour straight and my battery was at 40% after a 10 hour work day, not too shabby. Not to mention I also don't get that annoying 10% drop within 10 minutes of unplugging the phone anymore
I've seen a ton of other battery tip's but I've yet to see any actually say stop using a wall charger all together. Here's to hoping this helps someone
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Hmmm... I don't think that USB/Wall would actually make a overall difference in battery life but it could be that it doesn't "idle the charging" when you hit close to a full charge. So you're probably just getting the extra 5-10% that you mentioned.

twilk73 said:
Lol thanks for the tip. I highly doubt this is anymore then a placebo but good luck to whoever tries it. Not calling you OP I am just finding it hard to believe.
Furthermore, have you tried reseting your battery stats. I mean the initial 100-90 percent drop you are calling to quick sounds like its the fault of bad battery stats. If you need a link to how to reset your battery PM me only because I might not check back to this post lol.
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Ehh... I don't make BS threads, never have and those that know me from the Hero forums can vouch. Just posting my findings

Award Tour said:
Hmmm... I don't think that USB/Wall would actually make a overall difference in battery life but it could be that it doesn't "idle the charging" when you hit close to a full charge. So you're probably just getting the extra 5-10% that you mentioned.
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I know for a fact im getting the initial 10% but I looked at my battery today at 12:40 tonight before leaving work thinking "ahh crap I haven't charged it it's got to be at, at least 5-15% and nope, it was exactly 39%, I was amazed. Talked to a girl for about 40 minutes on my drive home, talked to another friend for 5 and battery dropped to 35%

I've noticed this as well. Days that I've only used my moto car charger, the battery (even the cheap ebay ones) seem to hold the charge better, which I thought was strange, because you would think it would be a worse -maybe equal- change.

Charges more slowly and fills up more?

oOflyeyesOo said:
Charges more slowly and fills up more?
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That's my theory

This is the case with most batteries, and I thought it was common knowledge with Li-ion. The lower the current you charge with, the better the charge.
Using the higher amperage wall charger lets you hit the voltage peak quicker but, the topping charge will take longer. A lot of car chargers are just as high amperage as wall chargers.
Other things you can do to try maintain the capacity of the battery over the course of its life:
-NEVER let it get hot (whether from heavy usage or keeping it in a hot car or the sun)
-never deep cycle (totally kill the battery)
-try to keep it between 40 - 60% charge for most of its life (Li-ion batteries do not like being at full charge or no charge)
Doing any of these things once will not destroy the battery, but by the 500th charge cycle, you can bet your ass it will.
http://batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm

DirtyShroomz said:
2 or 3 30 minute - 1 hour calls
internet 20 times
SNESnoid
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work day
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Sounds like my kind of job! Seriously, I use USB (through a laptop) and car chargers almost exclusively and I have no real complaints about battery life. And by that I mean it gets me through the day, which is all I've come to expect from phones for the past few years. But I did happen to use a wall charger last night, and I have JuicePlotter active, so I did some checking.
Comparing my last overnight charge using my laptop's USB to last night's charge through a wall adapter, I found that the charging was actually faster through the laptop. I see that the charge tends to drop off as it approaches 100%, so I took pairs of points from uniform sections of each plot for my comparison:
Laptop USB:
44% to 82% in 41 minutes = 0.927% / min
Wall:
63% to 91% in 37 minutes = 0.757% / min

kzibart said:
Sounds like my kind of job! Seriously, I use USB (through a laptop) and car chargers almost exclusively and I have no real complaints about battery life. And by that I mean it gets me through the day, which is all I've come to expect from phones for the past few years. But I did happen to use a wall charger last night, and I have JuicePlotter active, so I did some checking.
Comparing my last overnight charge using my laptop's USB to last night's charge through a wall adapter, I found that the charging was actually faster through the laptop. I see that the charge tends to drop off as it approaches 100%, so I took pairs of points from uniform sections of each plot for my comparison:
Laptop USB:
44% to 82% in 41 minutes = 0.927% / min
Wall:
63% to 91% in 37 minutes = 0.757% / min
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Hah, yeah my job is pretty amazing sometimes but I have def quit using the wall charger (unless I absolutely have nothing else around)
As far as for droiddev... this is my first phone where charging it from different devices gives me different results. I don't see where it would be common sense, Li-ion batteries are not supposed to not have these memory leak/hold issues like past batteries. A charge is a charge to li-ion batteries, but not in this case.

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As far as for droiddev... this is my first phone where charging it from different devices gives me different results. I don't see where it would be common sense, Li-ion batteries are not supposed to not have these memory leak/hold issues like past batteries. A charge is a charge to li-ion batteries, but not in this case.
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Not sure what you mean, but you will get the most life out of your battery by charging it short spurts at a time over USB. Read the article I linked to and you will see what I mean, but you can get the best charge into your battery by slowly ramping up in steps with a low current charger.

[Q] To fully charge or not to fully charge?

So I'm now waiting for a Wifi Xoom to arrive at my door, I wanted to see your thoughts about 'preparing' the battery to maintain maximum charge. I'm in two mindsets:
a) Should I just use the tablet with the power it comes with (from what I've read it is around 60-80%) until fully drained then charge completely, or
b)Should I put the tablet straight on the charger and full charge before any use.
Although the battery is replaceable, I'd prefer to make it last as long as possible. Or am I just being to fussy and lithium-ion (or whatever it is) doesn't have a memory effect? Appreciate your thoughts
EDIT: Sorry, this should probably be in the Q&A section.

Heb48 said:
lithium-ion (or whatever it is) doesn't have a memory effect?
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This. Play with it then charge it or charge then play or play and charge at the same time. Doesn't matter.

Bonus!! Now to wait for it to arrive.

People will spin you all kinds of yarn about how to 'condition' a battery, personally I think it's a nonsense. I drain from the box and charge, just because I want to play with it before I put it back down again.

Check out this thread! There is some discussion on that too.

I drained the crap out of it the first day ... trust me it took a lot of effort because it came out of the box with like 80%. Ended up playing HD videos for hours before it finally went down to 2% ... couldn't wait any longer so I charged it up (btw, the charger does like 1% per minute.. not bad!)
Since then, I just charge it when it goes below 30-40% (like every 2 days of heavy usage)

I drained mine until it was dead and then fully recharged it until the green light was on. Now I just repeat the cycle over and over but I usually dont let it die. I wait for the warning sound at around 5%.

Why does this phone take so long to charge?

I have had it plugged into the mains, running tunein radio through wifi and its gone from 85% to 86% in one hour.
If I charge from 10% with phone off it takes about 4 hours to fully charge
If I charge from 10% with my phone on running stuff, it actually never gets to fully charges by the time I finish work...at 6pm
Sorry to keep comparing to the dreaded FruitPhone, but that would charge whilst running wifi and tunein from 10% to 100% in about 2 hours.
I am beginning to think my SGS2 is faulty

i am fiding it takes about 3 hours to charge from empty . It does take a long time indeed but i guess it is what we have to do for a 1650mah battery

3 hours from empty with stock charger .
jje

it might well be a 1650 battery, but it starts to get unusable when it takes all day to charge then a few hours to loose it all.
This phone is the greatest but the battery life just completely destroys it, I am beginning to think I made the wrong choice

JJEgan said:
3 hours from empty with stock charger .
jje
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Is that while using it?

you are not supposed to use the phone when its charging its really bad for the battery it gets very warm during charging as it is...

virussnake said:
you are not supposed to use the phone when its charging its really bad for the battery it gets very warm during charging as it is...
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Aye... if I don't the bloomin thing would be dead by lunchtime, and I listen to music.
So I basically have to turn it off not use it so I can charge it, how crap is that, owned my iphone a year never had any problems with battery and I always used and charged in its dock.

The desire had slow charging too but snq- fixed this in his kernels maybe we can port his fix to our kernels
btw it's true li-ion batteries degrade quicky when the heat up (or completely charge or discharge)

From 30% it took me one hour and a half to fully charge..
I recommend to download battery mix as it takes very good statistic on the battery life and one can tell exactly how long it takes to charge and discharge
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just for the record all Lion batteries in phones never fully discharge or recharge, as there balanced by a balancing chip.
when you get to the likes of 0% you actually have 20% charge, thats why you can power on the phone but it will immediately switch off again. like wise, charging you never reach 100%, it's more like 89%, again because of how Lion works.
if you fully discharged and fully recharged, well put it simply you'd have a lot of exploding phones, fire and chemical burns...

Interesting!
My phone charges in about 2,5 - 3 hours, so should be normal...
But charging with the usb cable connected to the pc it takes much longer.
Any of you experience the same thing?
greets!

THUDUK said:
I have had it plugged into the mains, running tunein radio through wifi and its gone from 85% to 86% in one hour.
If I charge from 10% with phone off it takes about 4 hours to fully charge
If I charge from 10% with my phone on running stuff, it actually never gets to fully charges by the time I finish work...at 6pm
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Because:
a) That´s how Li-Ion-batteries are charged. To fully charge a Li-Ion-battery you need 3-4h.
b) The power-supply is pretty weak. It is just enough to charge the phone at decent speed, but it is not enough to charge it and intensely use it the same time. In this case much of the power is used by the phone and there is not enough left to do a proper charging. I use a 1,2A power-supply from my old Nokia, and while it won´t speed up charging itself, at least it slows down less when I´m using the phone while charging.
Sorry to keep comparing to the dreaded FruitPhone, but that would charge whilst running wifi and tunein from 10% to 100% in about 2 hours.
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This is not possible. The mighty fruity-phone may tell you it is 100% charged, but certainly it isn´t
You can charge a Li-Ion-battery very fast from 0 to 70-85% you could reach this in 1h. But you have to charge the remaining 15-30% very slowly, otherwise the voltage would raise too much and destroy your battery.
The so called saturation-stage (the charging-stage until 100%) takes longer the faster you charged at the beginning. If you really charged until the saturation-stage in 1h, the saturation-stage will take 2-3h.
If you charge slower, so you reach saturation-stage after 2h, the saturation-stage will only take 1-2h anymore.
In the end it will always take 3-4h to fully charge a Li-Ion-cell, regardless how strong your power-supply is.
Another few notes:
Charging will get slower the fuller the battery already is.
Using the phone with low battery-percentage will lengthen the charging-time quite a bit, a stronger power-supply could help.
Getting the last 20% in a Li-Ion-cell will always be very slow, usage of the phone won´t influence this a lot, and a stronger power-supply can´t help.
It doesn´t matter much, how much charge is left in the battery, to fully charge it it will always take long, as you spend most of the time in the saturation-stage (the higher the left percentage is, the more time you spent in saturation-stage)
I am beginning to think my SGS2 is faulty
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It is not faulty, it is designed this way.

It took 3 hours 10 minutes to fully charge my dog and bone yesterday whilst off

Thanks for the explanation!

jonny68 said:
It took 3 hours 10 minutes to fully charge my dog and bone yesterday whilst off
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Your having a bubble bath ain't you mate
Your battery sounds faulty to me, taking over 4 hours and only charging 1 percent in an hour. Try the battery calibration app in the market, if it doesn't improve get it swapped mate
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The wifi is the killer, try turning it off when charging your phone..
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it takes so long to charge because samsung capped the charge current at 650 mA in the battery driver. but other phones like HTC allow charging at the full 1 amp. so that's why its a slow charge, and why its possible to drain the battery even while plugged in to the charger.

Now who wants to ask kernel developers to increase that to .850 or 1 amp and use that lol.
I believe lack of heatsink due to design is the culprit behind decision to cap it at .650.
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3 hrs to fully charge, and as i use tunein radio a lot i can tell you on my device with the screen off, wifi on with tunein running, it still seems to take no more than 3 hours maybe 15 mins more at most

I am probably going to order a cheap eBay Li-Ion battery that's 1800mAH and likely has a charge cap closer to 1000mAH. I will know in a week when I finally get my phone and report back if that battery helps. I expect it to heat up while charging and am going to use an external charger.
Two replacement batteries and an external charger go for about $12 USD on eBay btw.

1st charging time

Just got my OP5 in hand, how long does it need to charge the phone for the very 1st time? As Dash charge can charge the phone to 100% in 30min, do I still need to keep the phone on charge for an extended period of time like b4? Cheers

Hi,
Dash charge can not charge the phone to 100% in 30min
In 30 min you can charge between 40% and 60% depending on what is running on your phone :
http://www.phonearena.com/news/OneP...and-the-Google-Pixel-still-crazy-fast_id95170

Thx. Havent tried it. So for the very first time, for previous phones I let it charge for a few hours b4 actually used them. I should do the same right? As the battery is with the same structure. Cheers

lou2s said:
Just got my OP5 in hand, how long does it need to charge the phone for the very 1st time? As Dash charge can charge the phone to 100% in 30min, do I still need to keep the phone on charge for an extended period of time like b4? Cheers
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I set mine up then put it on charge, was on 44% and then was at 96 about 35 minutes later

lou2s said:
Thx. Havent tried it. So for the very first time, for previous phones I let it charge for a few hours b4 actually used them. I should do the same right? As the battery is with the same structure. Cheers
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Hey,
I don't know definitively but I don't think so. I think battery technology in this respect has moved a long way so you don't have to charge it to full before you first use it, nevermind charging it to full and then over charging for multiple hours.
In fact, phones these days cut off charging and then trickle charge when the battery is full to maintain charge but not try and charge an already full battery thus causing damage.
Bottom line is I would suggest you wait till it gets to 100% before using it but don't need to wait any longer after that.
Sent from my HTC 10 using XDA Labs

lou2s said:
Just got my OP5 in hand, how long does it need to charge the phone for the very 1st time? As Dash charge can charge the phone to 100% in 30min, do I still need to keep the phone on charge for an extended period of time like b4? Cheers
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With modern Lithium ION/POL batteries this is no longer a requirement. In fact the hardware will make it stop from overcharging or it could become a hazard. In fact, Li-ION batteries are best kept between 20% and 80% for longevity. if you plan to store Lithium batteries store them at around 50% charge. so your old phone keep it stored at around 50%. this is also how all laptops and phones are shipped these days. They are shipped with approximately 50% battery charge for any hazard and also for longevity should it have to be stored for a long period of time.