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I believe that owners of the HD2 might have all seen the USA version spec of the HD2, obably air their feelings about the hardware upgrade, I just got mine less than a week ago, and then to read on the web about bugs and updates for the HD2 from HTC, but to read that the US t-mobile customer will have a higher spec is frustrating to every HD2 owners.
So I suggest we all write in to HTC direct, even if their excuse is it's exclusive to the "t-mobile USA" only as they requested for it. I have written in already, but am just one among thousands of htc HD2 owners out there, so the more customer request or support on this topic, they are likely to respond into doing something.
Higher Ram, Rom and a 16Gb of storage card, compare to what we received and most of us saved up, got ourselves tied in to an contract with an air time provider and also had to pay for the device.
Simply stating that let us all write in or email in requesting for either an exchange when the USA launch their model, or they provider us with a suitable alternative.
So join me HD2 OWNERS in making a petition to HTC about our concerns, that we all had to make some sort of sacrifice in getting the HD2, rather than any other competitive handset or device that is currently in the market.
Sorry For Going on so long and any bad grammar or repetition.
Sorry mate, but you've not got my personal backing on this. It's a different device - end of. It's not even on the market yet, and probably won't be for quite some time.
And also, I really have to question this statement...
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...we all had to make some sort of sacrifice in getting the HD2, rather than any other competitive handset or device that is currently in the market.
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It was in no way, shape, or form a sacrifice for me to get the HD2 over a competitor's handset. It was an easy choice, and the correct one for me. There is no handset in the world right now that suits me better than the one I've got.
I pretty much guarantee this thread turning into a flame war. I hope for your sake, and the sake of all those who do feel hard done by, that it doesn't.
Good luck
ok . sounds good .
BUT i dont think anything will happen , as far as receiving a new handset .
but i guess its worth a try .
Lol no wai, Im very happy with my hd2.
The usa hd2 will be beaten by another one in no time also.
Hi everybody
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Sorry mate, but you've not got my personal backing on this. It's a different device - end of. It's not even on the market yet, and probably won't be for quite some time.
I pretty much guarantee this thread turning into a flame war. I hope for your sake, and the sake of all those who do feel hard done by, that it doesn't.
Good luck
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Thanks for your reply, but to correct you, its not a different device, had got a responce from HTC uk branch that, it a demand put in by t-mobile Us network, not the Usa market, but the air provider.
All am stating that for the same device but higher spec's we deserve more than what we paid for, in the space of how many months of launching the HD2 device.
Whilst HTC have stated to a number of that T-Mobile requested higher specification, it seems that all HD2's have 576Mb of RAM, its just not being shown and that theres a chance that we've also got the 1Gb flash, but time will tell on that... so no I wont be doing it either...
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Thanks for your reply, but to correct you, its not a different device, had got a responce from HTC uk branch that, it a demand put in by t-mobile Us network, not the Usa market, but the air provider.
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I obviously disagree on what makes something a different device. Besides, even if they did offer me one of these as a replacement for my "old" HD2, it wouldn't work properly in my country, so it would actually be a worse handset for me to have.
Anyway, like I said, good luck.
I do not want to comment on the merits, or lack of, in mounting such an action (although I do feel strongly the futility of it), I do wish to point to the OP that his cross posting of the same message in other threads makes it look more like he is a troll or spammer. I suggest that he not do any more cross posting. Here is one example of cross posting in an unrelated thread, I am sure there are others.
Poor HTC
My company wanted to buy 60 htc hd2, on my suggestion.
After the news of the new model with 1GB of ROM and the unknown upgrade to the OS WM7, there was a stop to purchase.
At this point waiting a few days for the evolution of the market (tonight Apple's presentation).
I think that the mail of HTC is not necessary, the market is merciless.
Poor HTC, today again of -0.41% (international market).
I think it should nevertheless provide a review of business manager.
Blaise
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I do not want to comment on the merits, or lack of, in mounting such an action (although I do feel strongly the futility of it), I do wish to point to the OP that his cross posting of the same message in other threads makes it look more like he is a troll or spammer. I suggest that he not do any more cross posting.
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No its not a spam just an error on my part, and to be clear there is no malice intent with what am suggesting apart from hopefully informing HTC that if the Uk market should be offered either a higher spec for the uk market or an alternative good will gesture e.g 16Gb memory card, an extended battery e.t.c.
On the positive side HTc did get back to me stating the obvious of difference in spec of the same handset, but will be happy to forward my concerns to thee right department, now that doesn't mean my request has been granted but rather notice and something be DONE OR NOT but at least HEARD.
Thanks to everyone who responded, accepting both the ve+ and ne- feedback
I am happy with my HD2. More than happy infact.
It is blistering fast and I have modded, prodded and firmware changed it to death. loving the customization.
Mind you the 16GB card would be nice!
other than that I am perfectly happy
GG
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No its not a spam just an error on my part, and to be clear there is no malice intent with what am suggesting apart from hopefully informing HTC that if the Uk market should be offered either a higher spec for the uk market or an alternative good will gesture e.g 16Gb memory card, an extended battery e.t.c.
On the positive side HTc did get back to me stating the obvious of difference in spec of the same handset, but will be happy to forward my concerns to thee right department, now that doesn't mean my request has been granted but rather notice and something be DONE OR NOT but at least HEARD.
Thanks to everyone who responded, accepting both the ve+ and ne- feedback
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Okay, sorry for thinking you were spamming...........
As for 16GB memory card, how can you blame HTC for that? I can go around Taipei and see the HD2 sold with differing sizes of memory cards in different places. Or maybe you would like to pick a bone with Taiwan Mobile, who carries the phone with 16 GB of flash memory. It is the dealer or carrier who decides the size of the memory card, not HTC.
And, there is nothing new in HTC offering different variations on one phone. They started out as an OEM manufacturer. Check the XDA Developers Wiki on HTC's history that can be seen through the products they manufactured through the years. I do not remember in the past when a phone had an upgrade with another carrier that it created such irrational rage in some.
i can not say that i'm unhappy with my hd2, i got mine in october from the uk and it would indeed be nice if htc would give free upgrades but wait and see what newer roms will bring!
and as long as every hd2 will get the wm7 upgrade (if it comes) i'm not that much concerned
maybe if got an other device by then anyways *g*
nevertheless i will write htc about the issue cause i want to know what their response is!
Can we PLEASE close this thread?
There is no point to it. The US HD2 is different hardware and will never come to Europe, so there's absolutely no point in complaining that the European HD2 is different.
Those that complain here don't even understand that the US HD2 wouldn't work for them, anyway. Nobody has been "shafted", because everyone who bought the "old" HD2 would still have to buy the "old" HD2, because the "new" one just doesn't work here in Europe.
HTC had to make a different HD2 because of the TMO US 3G-Bands and maybe memory chips got cheaper, smaller or TMO wanted to have more, so they put more memory in it, beause they had to produce a different HD2 anyway. It's only natural that after half a year, better technology comes out. You can't buy any piece of tech and then complain that half a year later, something better is available.
The US HD2 is different hardware and there's absolutely no reason to complain. It will not work in Europe and HTC won't change the European version. Moreover, you can't expect anything you buy to still be the best after half a year. End of story.
It's true
It's true, but but at least call HD3 !!!!!!!!!!!! ( this is marketing )
bye
I took my 386 into PC world the other day and they did a straight swap for a quad core 4.8GHz machine. They also apoligised for the fact that my PC only had 256MB RAM and gave me 8GB.
there's already a huge thread. so why don't go there and cry? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622734
so htc used us for beta testers and some of you are defending them?
no wonder they get away with it..
iphone sold 8.7 million devices in the christmas period..why did htc not try and get some of that market in the usa?
simple,they know the device was not working properly..
No, because it is no HD3.
And besides, we will probably get the HD3 half a year before the people in the US. That's only half a year later than their HD2. Does this give them the right to whine like little babies?
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No, you whining little baby!
Our HD2 was produced half a year earlier. At that time, those chips probably simply weren't available or they were too expensive. The people in the US had to wait half a year longer than we did, now just let them enjoy their HD2. It's only natural that technology evolves with time.
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Can we PLEASE close this thread?
There is no point to it. The US HD2 is different hardware and will never come to Europe, so there's absolutely no point in complaining that the European HD2 is different.
Those that complain here don't even understand that the US HD2 wouldn't work for them, anyway. Nobody has been "shafted", because everyone who bought the "old" HD2 would still have to buy the "old" HD2, because the "new" one just doesn't work here in Europe.
HTC had to make a different HD2 because of the TMO US 3G-Bands and maybe memory chips got cheaper, smaller or TMO wanted to have more, so they put more memory in it, beause they had to produce a different HD2 anyway. It's only natural that after half a year, better technology comes out. You can't buy any piece of tech and then complain that half a year later, something better is available.
The US HD2 is different hardware and there's absolutely no reason to complain. It will not work in Europe and HTC won't change the European version. Moreover, you can't expect anything you buy to still be the best after half a year. End of story.
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sorry mate,if you don't want to discuss this and is very comfortable with your device you can always not click on threads that are discussing the topic..
don't come tell us to accept being testers for a device without agreeing to be such..
wht r da disadvantages of x10 having only 384MB ram?
if u compare to htc and samsung galaxy S..da ram in x10 is less. will it affect anything in performance or any limit in receiving updates?
sorry for asking a dumb Q but im curious to know..
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wht r da disadvantages of x10 having only 384MB ram?
if u compare to htc and samsung galaxy S..da ram in x10 is less. will it affect anything in performance or any limit in receiving updates?
sorry for asking a dumb Q but im curious to know..
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there is always ram reserved for the OS. so the performance shouldnt be slower. just see DROD motorolla. its 256 and its super fast.
also. always use programs like task managers, it free rams for you. as soon as you leave an application, it closes and free ram
besides. how does it everyone say its 384 ? when i downloaded programs from the market place on my x10. it told me the free ram is just a lil above 256 " 270 was it ? " or something like that.
from my understanding, the x10 has 384mb of ram. however, android 1.6 can only access about 256mb of ram.
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from my understanding, the x10 has 384mb of ram. however, android 1.6 can only access about 256mb of ram.
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it probably make sense but thats weird. the 1.6 can only access 256....... f$$k you sony seriously :/ . what a waste. super device with amazing colors but we can only get 65k out of it only. and now out of 380 ram we can only get 256....
Do you really need to swear ?
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from my understanding, the x10 has 384mb of ram. however, android 1.6 can only access about 256mb of ram.
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That is an interesting point. Sounds logical, but may I ask where you came across this little nugget of information?
Also, obviously like everyone else, I want more, more, and more. But I would really like to start on the X10 with the Android 2.3. As for the speed, sure I can see it, but how much of the slight lags here and there wouldn't be improved with a better OS version? Probably quite a few. Though I really do NOT understand how SE can propose an update so far down the line and than not provide their loyal customers with the latest version. I find having to wait nearly a year for the 2.2 a bit insulting. Than to not even offer more open and honest communications with x10 owners about OS revisions, plus patching it up like a mummy to make current owners feel even more like they have to buy the next model, well, doesn't anyone at SE think that they might be taking their greed a bit too far and, their customer base a bit for granted?
I've purchased the P900a, P910i, and the X1. I never waited before, and have always bought the phone right out of the gate. I understand that SE always release their phones with slight issues, but this is getting insulting. I have been using the X10 for a couple of weeks now. I think the world of this phone, but it should not have even been released with the 1.6. Even if that means waiting, that is what makes for good customer service. Now I have not yet decided to purchase the X10, even though my provider will give it too me for free. In fact, I have decided to wait from now on before I buy any SE. I am just a bit tired of being taken for granted. The P900 to the P910 left a slight bad taste in my mouth. I had to problem solve the X1 on my own, voiding my warranty, and auto updates. Now here SE are again pulling the same s**t they have on every other flag ship model. Do they really think their new update methods and promises of continued support fix the real issues?
So back to the question. Speed, this phone and this company have much bigger issues than speed.
This is a message to any SE reps that may actually follow what their customers are saying. I am going to buy the next SE flag ship device as long as it has 2.3. and doesn't have a bunch of problems. But I am telling you right now the next time you release a device that is not ready, hoping to get even more customers midterm by offering the same phone with more, I am done. Reward those that wait, and punishing those of us who have supported you. Keep it up and I am gone!
It really depends on how you look at it.
Android OS 1.6 is the limiting factor for the 256MB limit. So, Sony Ericsson actually did us a favor by giving us more than the shipping product could use because they planned to update it.
As we all know, the UXP update is coming with 2.1 (for now) which will take advantage of the extra memory in addition to taking advantage of the 16 million color screen. Also, the new OS is faster and has a lower memory footprint so we should still have a great performing device.
Newer high-end models coming out now have 512MB of memory which is only 33% more.
EDIT: If you check out the Android 2.2 SDK documentation, it shows they added support for > 256MB. So, it looks like not even 2.1 has it unless companies are patching the kernel directly.
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Newer high-end models coming out now have 512MB of memory which is only 33% more.
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newer models.. u mean newer Ver of X10 ? or phones like nexus/desire ?
as for x10 being really 384 vs 512, its no big deal really. no one will notice the difference.
much like how Desire has more ram than nexus
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It really depends on how you look at it.
Android OS 1.6 is the limiting factor for the 256MB limit. So, Sony Ericsson actually did us a favor by giving us more than the shipping product could use because they planned to update it.
As we all know, the UXP update is coming with 2.1 (for now) which will take advantage of the extra memory in addition to taking advantage of the 16 million color screen. Also, the new OS is faster and has a lower memory footprint so we should still have a great performing device.
Newer high-end models coming out now have 512MB of memory which is only 33% more.
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512mb sounds delicious! "only 33% more" is massive. Imagine if airplanes traveled 33% faster, what that would do to air travel.
Android 2.1 and 2.2 are already so yesterday, what a joke that they are even considering updating to either. I doubt very seriously the X10 will get the 2.3 or higher version before the next flag ship device is released. Other wise what will they have to sell next year? It is a timing game designed to make more money. And, I truly believe that SE would be so much more successful if they stopped this business practice.
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512mb sounds delicious! "only 33% more" is massive. Imagine if airplanes traveled 33% faster, what that would do to air travel.
Android 2.1 and 2.2 are already so yesterday, what a joke that they are even considering updating to either. I doubt very seriously the X10 will get the 2.3 or higher version before the next flag ship device is released. Other wise what will they have to sell next year? It is a timing game designed to make more money. And, I truly believe that SE would be so much more successful if they stopped this business practice.
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yes but not even 2.2 takes the fall ram usage of the device :/
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yes but not even 2.2 takes the fall ram usage of the device :/
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I am not as concerned about the 512mb as I am about the 2.3. What is the point of having the latest and great hardware if it is being limited by the software. And, waiting nearly a year for a software revision that will still be behind other devices with lesser hardware make you wonder what is going on. And, since SE is being so tight lipped about the whole thing just adds insult to injury.
The 2.3 is a massive improvement from earlier releases. So right now who really cares if it gets updated to 2.1 ro 2.2. Both are a complete waste of time for those of us justifying buying any manufacturers flag ship devices. If this device does not get the 2.3 or better I would not waste my money on it.
The question is will I wait until November to find out that it wont be the 2.3 or do I just buy HTC or something else now? Do I take a lesser device that is at least being optimized to it's potential with the latest software? Based on SE's past models I think we can all assume that November will not be the 2.3
This is not the modus operandi of SE.
It is almost like SE is selling their devices spec sheet, and who cares about the rest. SE might be the only company on earth where the limits on their devices are not hardware related, but are software related. What a stupid business model.
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I am not as concerned about the 512mb as I am about the 2.3. What is the point of having the latest and great hardware if it is being limited by the software. And, waiting nearly a year for a software revision that will still be behind other devices with lesser hardware make you wonder what is going on. And, since SE is being so tight lipped about the whole thing just adds insult to injury.
The 2.3 is a massive improvement from earlier releases. So right now who really cares if it gets updated to 2.1 ro 2.2. Both are a complete waste of time for those of us justifying buying any manufacturers flag ship devices. If this device does not get the 2.3 or better I would not waste my money on it.
The question is will I wait until November to find out that it wont be the 2.3 or do I just buy HTC or something else now? Do I take a lesser device that is at least being optimized to it's potential with the latest software? Based on SE's past models I think we can all assume that November will not be the 2.3
This is not the modus operandi of SE.
It is almost like SE is selling their devices spec sheet, and who cares about the rest. SE might be the only company on earth where the limits on their devices are not hardware related, but are software related. What a stupid business model.
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man.. we are fighting to get 2.2 and ur thinking of 2.3 which probably didnt start development yet ?
lol @ this. i guess u will never buy a phone.
It really depends on how you look at it.
Android OS 1.6 is the limiting factor for the 256MB limit. So, Sony Ericsson actually did us a favor by g
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512mb sounds delicious! "only 33% more" is massive. Imagine if airplanes traveled 33% faster, what that would do to air travel.
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In this comparing it would more correct let the airplane carry 33% more passengers rather then making it faster.
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In this comparing it would more correct let the airplane carry 33% more passengers rather then making it faster.
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or maybe better making air travel 33% cheaper
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I am not as concerned about the 512mb as I am about the 2.3. What is the point of having the latest and great hardware if it is being limited by the software. And, waiting nearly a year for a software revision that will still be behind other devices with lesser hardware make you wonder what is going on. And, since SE is being so tight lipped about the whole thing just adds insult to injury.
The 2.3 is a massive improvement from earlier releases. So right now who really cares if it gets updated to 2.1 ro 2.2. Both are a complete waste of time for those of us justifying buying any manufacturers flag ship devices. If this device does not get the 2.3 or better I would not waste my money on it.
The question is will I wait until November to find out that it wont be the 2.3 or do I just buy HTC or something else now? Do I take a lesser device that is at least being optimized to it's potential with the latest software? Based on SE's past models I think we can all assume that November will not be the 2.3
This is not the modus operandi of SE.
It is almost like SE is selling their devices spec sheet, and who cares about the rest. SE might be the only company on earth where the limits on their devices are not hardware related, but are software related. What a stupid business model.
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Go buy an HTC PLEASE!
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That sounds good too
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man.. we are fighting to get 2.2 and ur thinking of 2.3 which probably didnt start development yet ?
lol @ this. i guess u will never buy a phone.
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Sure I will. One with 2.3
a question for everyone thinking about the version numbers......
what company has upgraded their OS right after google has released it??????
even motorola with vanilla OS phones(droid and milestone) couldnt do it till many months....
sure SE is little lagging but nothing to blame SE here .... thats how its working everywhere......
By the way the 2.3 is well into the development phase. It is scheduled to be released in Q4 which is exactly the same time the X10 is scheduled to be updated. How many phones do you think will carry the new 2.3 before years end?
A half of a year more is not that long. I will wait and see what the market has to offer come than. I only get one free phone per year and I wouldn't want to waste it on a device that is offering last years software.
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Well it terms of moving bits wouldn't moving 33% more be the same as 33% faster?
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That's lame if true, but it could always be possible that Verizon is only counting the amount of RAM that's actually usable for applications, rather than the whole amount. On the Epic 4G I believe only 325 MB of RAM is used for applications, and the rest is reserved for the system.
phandroid.com/2010/08/27/leaked-samsung-fascinate-equipment-guide-gives-full-spec-run-down/
I think they are referring to 384mb that is usuable ram, since it's stated that there is 512mb total.
It definitely has 512 total. Maybe only 384 usable by eclair. Rest assure this will b just as awesome as the other galaxies. I've had D1, Dx DI, D2, Eris. And I'm using the captivate right now and it blows all of them away. Ill b taking back my captivate and getting the fascinate the day they are available BC att sucks ass. Tried them when my vzw ran out and that was a big mistake. U get what u pay for, and with Verizon that's the beat service in the united states. Can't wait for this phone
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There is 384M traditional DRAM and 128M OneDRAM in hummingbird SOC.
http://dev.odroid.com/wiki/odroid-t/pds/FrontPage/s_blockdiagram.jpg
Whats confusing is all the material related to the device seems to explicitly state that the Fascinate DOES have less on-board ram.
Verizon is the only one who officially mentioned the RAM in the specs.
So it's very likely all the galaxy s phones have the same RAM size.
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Whats confusing is all the material related to the device seems to explicitly state that the Fascinate DOES have less on-board ram.
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Are you planning on flipping to the Galaxy?
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Are you planning on flipping to the Galaxy?
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Yeah, Im pretty positive this will be my next personal device. I have confirmed it does indeed have less physical ram compared to the other Galaxy S phones. In spite of this, I will definitely be buying another one once it officially drops. I have been very happy with the fascinate the past couple days.
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Yeah, Im pretty positive this will be my next personal device. I have confirmed it does indeed have less physical ram compared to the other Galaxy S phones. In spite of this, I will definitely be buying another one once it officially drops. I have been very happy with the fascinate the past couple days.
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I'm a new user who is deeply interested in getting the samsung fascinate for verizon but i still have some doubts that maybe you could help me clear up.
A couple questions I would like answered if possible,
1.) You have confirmed it does have less physical ram, how was this? Are you sure its not 384RAM + 128OneDRAM = 512 total? Please go into detail if possible.
2.) "You have been very happy with the fascinate the past couple days" Does this mean you are currently testing it?
Thanks for any info!
Maybe it is all just a misunderstanding, and it really is just the formatted size, but they are pretty clear when they say 384 megs of ram, not 384 formatted. The other phones are mentioned as having 512. Its even said the fascinate is at a disadvantage. Look it up. I dont have anything to post and I am not a tester, no sorry. I meant ive been happy with its performance as a phone(Galaxy S) is all.
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Maybe it is all just a misunderstanding, and it really is just the formatted size, but they are pretty clear when they say 384 megs of ram, not 384 formatted. The other phones are mentioned as having 512. Its even said the fascinate is at a disadvantage. Look it up. I dont have anything to post and I am not a tester, no sorry. I meant ive been happy with its performance as a phone(Galaxy S) is all.
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Look, lets settle this here. Look at the picture and it says 512mb flash/384mb RAM. Compare that to explanations of RAM for other phone products. That's 512mb flash RAM with 128 used by......... VIDEO. Every computer without a dedicated video card says the same thing. Go look up video cards with dedicated memory and video cards with shared memory. Obviously Sammy's video cpu uses 128k or RAM and they bundle that with the actual RAM of 384 to say 512. But all Galaxy S have only 384k of Ram to use.
I don't think Samsung has ever officially revealed how much RAM the PowerVR SGX 540 uses, but looks like the cat is out of the bag now. No wonder this Video card is such a beast. I wish i could put it in my laptop.
Ok well I want a fascinate so I looked into this issue. I have a friend with a captivate so I downloaded android system info from the market as well as android hardware info. When looking at the max ram available on the captivate, which is documented at 512, the max available ram was 325. If the fascinate has 384 then we are at an advantage. I'm happy will someone with access to a vibrant test this. I will screen cap and post pics
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To the three posts above, THANK YOU SO MUCH. My god I have been waiting for a definitive answer the past week or so.
THANK YOU
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To the three posts above, THANK YOU SO MUCH. My god I have been waiting for a definitive answer the past week or so.
THANK YOU
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hardware wise, these phones are nearly identical. While its possible they would screw with the RAM, it's not likely considering how tightly the O.S. it integrated into it. The only phone that had a significant part of its Structure changed was the EPIC, which for some odd reason will only have 1 gig of internal FAST STORAGE. I don't think this will be a killer for the unit, but still odd.
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hardware wise, these phones are nearly identical. While its possible they would screw with the RAM, it's not likely considering how tightly the O.S. it integrated into it. The only phone that had a significant part of its Structure changed was the EPIC, which for some odd reason will only have 1 gig of internal FAST STORAGE. I don't think this will be a killer for the unit, but still odd.
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keep in mind too that the Fascinate is CDMA while the Vibrant and Captivate are GSM which are big hardware differences. Possibly one of the reasons why they have 16GB onboard memory and the Fascinate/Epic are only 2GB/1GB on board respectively.
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/08/30/samsung-fascinate-comparison-charts/
This is my source. See what i mean?
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http://www.droid-life.com/2010/08/30/samsung-fascinate-comparison-charts/
This is my source. See what i mean?
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Well that proves it. The droid life chart is crap and inaccurate. It claims 512k ram for the captivate, yet my stock captivate is less than 350k.
Are you surprised that unofficial charts are inaccurate?
That chart is from an official VZW training document. Trust me. Thats not something droidlife whipped up, that came FROM samsung and vzw. Its about as official as you can get. Ive seen these before, and thats when I started this thread, not becuase of the phandroid post (I dont read phandroid). So now that these are finally out in the open, the internal Galaxy S comparison chart is what I have been referring to.
Truly guys.. how come so many posts here are negative? It seems like some comments here seem to stand little purpose.
What about the good things about the phone? How are the keys on the keypad? After using MTS keyboard the G1 keyboard feels flat and very difficult to type with. What cool uses have you found for Flash? Does the bigger resulution make in-page flash work better? I imagine videos on FB must play better and feel more natural.
Id love to see those lucky enough to have a G2 to start threads to discuss interesting new uses and experience improvements of the phone.
Thanks!
I understand what you are saying. However, people do not like spending $500 on a phone that isn't what it was advertised as.
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Because people happy with the phone are not generally looking to run around forums praising whatever it is they are happy with. No matter what it is or how few the problems may be, the majority of posts will always be negative because that is who is visiting the forums.
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hey - i'm super happy with mine - keyboard is great for me, but this is my first physical keyboard
a lot of folks imagine the hinge is "loose" and a bad design, and the best i can gather, cause it simply doesn't close with the pressure of an alligator's jaws and it might come open if you ever decide to text while hanging upside down ( i kid not)
and others, in spite of the indications that the 4GB is there, insist on believing the sky is falling
and all that puts a negative cloud over it. Then to compound it, the complainers ignoring the fact that there are strong indications the phone is not missing 2GB, get further pissed, cause Tmo, 96 hours the pre-orders were shipped, but still before the official launch, hasn't got a full explanation for them when they call Customer Svc, even though it's a weekend. Nevermind that the jury hasn't had a chance to look into the "issue". But in their minds, they already know it's not there, and why ....why Tmobile should have sent tech trucks straight to their house to pick their phones up and make this right. I'm being a little sarcastic there, but if you read the threads on loose hinge and internal memory you'll see what i mean.
One poster actually started a thread trying to establish a correlation between the phones with loose hinges (that are not truly loose) and the missing memory (that it looks like is there, just not reported by android 2.2).
basically they're acting like those 4 yr old brats you see at airports these days - they want their way, no matter how wrong or in left field they might be.
the phone itself, coming from a Vibrant, is a breeze. Surprisingly, no issues, no lags, a GPS THAT ACTUALLY WORS surprisingly well, and fast & smooth as silk in operation, with a battery life that's about 30-35% greater than my Vibrant and while i'm not employing every efficiency trick i could find to help the vibrant's battery last.
but that's not enough for some folks
I LOVE the phone. I'm coming from a G1 that I had rooted and running cyanogen 5.0.8 (eclair). I haven't tried a flash site yet, but everything else about they phone is great. The only things that I might change would be some of the button placement.
I don't think the hinge thing is a problem, but I can reproduce what folks are complaining about. I just don't think it's a problem.
and how was it not what it was supposed to be?
i'm not a tmo or htc fanboy - any doubts on that, go over to the vibrant forum and check my posts when the GPS issue surfaced and the fanboys over there were so confident it was minor, or that we didn't really need gps, why if you did, why not buy a dedicated gps, yada yada
what has Tmo described and not delivered?
larryccf said:
what has Tmo described and not delivered?
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4GB internal memory and HSPA+ speeds in supported markets
Arcadia310 said:
I understand what you are saying. However, people do not like spending $500 on a phone that isn't what it was advertised as.
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just out of curiosity i would like to know how many people actually paid full price for the phone i know i did but im not under contract
i paid full price, have been contract free since 2006
haven't seen any reports of anyone not pulling hspa+ speeds that were in confirmed HSPA+ svc coverage areas
i pulled it this afternoon with no issue,
on the 4GB internal memory:
a) developers here on XDA found memory totals were showing 2.1GB which is an odd amount, with a lot of partitions they couldn't identify - quote from bottom of pg 15 on XDA G2 android development forum (link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=794053&page=15 ) :
"This might also be relevant to the ~2.1GB mmc size weirdness - there are of course not going to be non-power-of-two NAND devices so all these ~2.1GB devices must have 4GB of space but may show up with an odd number of sectors due to gatekeeping by the baseband processor."
b) someone else pulled a dumped G2 rom down and found the sandisk part code reference for the nand chip, googling it pulls up it is a 4 GB chip
here's the link and the stmt
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=795594&page=30
Originally Posted by jigabite
"I'm assuming this is the dmesg output? Has anybody really investigated this part # yet? Googling 'SEM04G' brings up this document:
http://www.omapworld.com/iNAND_e_MMC...1_0[1].pdf
Page 20 says SEM04G is a 4GB part. I'm sure nobody has pulled the thing apart yet but it also says that SEM02G is the 2GB part... Curious
From the pdf. Could be a something ridiculously retarded like a messed up setting:
Value for 4GB-32GB: 0xC0FF8080
Value for 2GB: 0x40FF8080 "
c) and then someone else injected the fact that the developers over on the XDA HD2 forum that wrote the android 2.2 rom for the HD2 (it came out with windows mobile 6.5) found they had to write the rom to reflect or read a max of 2 GB internal memory, as android 2.2 is coded to not recognize more than 2GB.
here's that link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8429161&postcount=306
and finally, then today, cyanogens tweeted he’d rooted his G2 and found 3.7 GB, but then when he rebooted, he lost his root. Other developers had already speculated that HTC has mirrored the OS in a separate partition, and when the phone boots up, it checks the boot OS with the mirror’d copy, and if it doesn’t match, then the mirror’d copy reflashes itself over the new boot OS.
while none of the above is absolutely certain, it sure is positive indication that the "missing" 2GB is there after all.
Other than the report in our phones’ on the SD & phone storage page showing 1.2GB, what other evidence have you seen that it doesn’t have 4GB?
Paid full price right here. You're always going to have more people be vocal about the bad than the good.
understood - it's just irksome beyond comprehension when the "bad" is not confirmed "bad", just folks reading the headlines of a post and assuming
Also coming from the G1 and I think the G2 is great. The keyboard is gonna taking a little getting used to for me but at least its a hard board. I happen to agree with the OP though, its already 3 times (or more) better than my G1 even if its "missing/hiding" some ROM.
I think there's the buyer remorse thing too for people that can't afford it or on the fence they want to justify reasons they should return it and if other people agree with them then they can use that as the reason in their heads instead of taking responsibility. But look on any forum and you're going to find the same thing no matter what the product is.
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coming from the Vibrant i have to say, i'm quite thrilled with this phone. the build quality is just superb as is having vanilla android again. after the vibrant i swore of anything not stock and built by HTC. even at 800mhz this thing feels so much snappier than the Vibrant ever did (wth was with that lag?). not having 16gb of internal storage is a pain but then again that internal storage caused me headaches when i used odin and it'd erase the whole thing. also: notification lights! i used NoLED on the vibrant but i'm just so glad to have something that is built into the actual device. finally: FROYO. holy crap i missed that when i went from the N1 to the vibrant. "update all" new mail and google talk apps. support for chrome-to-phone, flash 10.1. i am however breathlessly awaiting root so i can enjoy some yummy wifi hotspot capabilities. all in all, a fantastic phone.
OH! and the metal battery door is a brilliant touch.
htc on page, the description puts 2GB DDR2, but the snapdragon chip 600 is mounted directly ddr3, does not come with ddr2
LG Optimus G Pro also comes with ddr3
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/HTC-One,LG-Optimus-G-Pro/phones/7678,7709
http://www.qualcomm.com/media/blog/2013/01/07/snapdragon-800-series-and-600-processors-unveiled
only 20 days to launch, soon all we have the confirmation
I'm looking forward to MWC
Man...
This is the one thing HTC is notorious for. They always have 1 inferior feature on this devices.
All the way from their WM days to even their android days. Very unfortunate.
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Man...
This is the one thing HTC is notorious for. They always have 1 inferior feature on this devices.
All the way from their WM days to even their android days. Very unfortunate.
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I won't say I disagree
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Man...
This is the one thing HTC is notorious for. They always have 1 inferior feature on this devices.
All the way from their WM days to even their android days. Very unfortunate.
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Is it really going to cause many issues though? Most likely not.
Nothing is 'perfect'
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Is it really going to cause many issues though? Most likely not.
Nothing is 'perfect'
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Of course not, but if you have been using an HTC device since their WM days, you just cannot help but be frustrated.
If you find me a single HTC device that didn't have 1 flaw I will be amazed. When I say flaw, I don't mean crappier screen, or crap speaker quality. I mean:
1. No LED flash (when previous model had it)
2. No LED indicator (when previous model had it)
3. 512 MB less ram then competition (or 1gb less in the case of the One X)
I could go on and on... none of these have been deal breaking, but they are not so insignificant that we can easily ignore it. After all these generations of devices, I cannot help but agree with some people who say that HTC does this on purpose.
Funny thing is... I have made this complaint on the forum for every device they have released since the DHD. They were notorious for this during the WM days, then they improved. But as soon as the Sensation came out... it was another lackluster device.
Then the One X with 1 GB of ram?!?
Now the HTC One with DDR2 instead of DD3.
I'll reiterate: This isn't necessarily a deal breaker for me, but it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially because I know HTC is better then this.
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Of course not, but if you have been using an HTC device since their WM days, you just cannot help but be frustrated.
If you find me a single HTC device that didn't have 1 flaw I will be amazed. When I say flaw, I don't mean crappier screen, or crap speaker quality. I mean:
1. No LED flash (when previous model had it)
2. No LED indicator (when previous model had it)
3. 512 MB less ram then competition (or 1gb less in the case of the One X)
I could go on and on... none of these have been deal breaking, but they are not so insignificant that we can easily ignore it. After all these generations of devices, I cannot help but agree with some people who say that HTC does this on purpose.
Funny thing is... I have made this complaint on the forum for every device they have released since the DHD. They were notorious for this during the WM days, then they improved. But as soon as the Sensation came out... it was another lackluster device.
Then the One X with 1 GB of ram?!?
Now the HTC One with DDR2 instead of DD3.
I'll reiterate: This isn't necessarily a deal breaker for me, but it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially because I know HTC is better then this.
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The same can be said really for many manufacturers =/ I see your frustration though.
Maedhros said:
Of course not, but if you have been using an HTC device since their WM days, you just cannot help but be frustrated.
If you find me a single HTC device that didn't have 1 flaw I will be amazed. When I say flaw, I don't mean crappier screen, or crap speaker quality. I mean:
1. No LED flash (when previous model had it)
2. No LED indicator (when previous model had it)
3. 512 MB less ram then competition (or 1gb less in the case of the One X)
I could go on and on... none of these have been deal breaking, but they are not so insignificant that we can easily ignore it. After all these generations of devices, I cannot help but agree with some people who say that HTC does this on purpose.
Funny thing is... I have made this complaint on the forum for every device they have released since the DHD. They were notorious for this during the WM days, then they improved. But as soon as the Sensation came out... it was another lackluster device.
Then the One X with 1 GB of ram?!?
Now the HTC One with DDR2 instead of DD3.
I'll reiterate: This isn't necessarily a deal breaker for me, but it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially because I know HTC is better then this.
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isnt the point of this thread that MAYBE the phone uses ddr3 and not ddr2 as HTC have said?
because the chip only comes with ddr3?
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isnt the point of this thread that MAYBE the phone uses ddr3 and not ddr2 as HTC have said?
because the chip only comes with ddr3?
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if the device came with DDR3 HTC would state so on their website:
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
They state DDR2. S600 supports DDR3, but HTC chose not to include it on their design.
Sorry if it is too basic a question, but is there any major difference between ddr2 and ddr3?
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According to Phil Nickinson on Android Central, the One will have DDR3 memory. http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...ouve-got-questions-lets-do-2.html#post2598040
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According to Phil Nickinson on Android Central, the One will have DDR3 memory. http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...ouve-got-questions-lets-do-2.html#post2598040
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Originally Posted by Hbomber110
DDr3 or 2 ?
Some spec sheets say its ddr3 but according to Qualcomm the 600 uses ddr3 RAM
Thank you !
HTC spec sheet says DDR2. Apparently the HTC spec sheet is wrong and it's DDR3. Not that you should lose any sleep over that kind of thing
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Taken from the link
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According to Phil Nickinson on Android Central, the One will have DDR3 memory. http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...ouve-got-questions-lets-do-2.html#post2598040
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If that is the case then great! I am skeptical however. I will believe the spec sheet for now.
i send a email for htc asking which its corret ddr2 or ddr3
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i send a email for htc asking which its corret ddr2 or ddr3
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Great, I wonder what they have to say. Sorry, I'm out of thanks, can't thank you. I will do tomorrow
htc support impress me!
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In regards on your question about the HTC One having 2G of DDR2 or DDR3, when you take a look at the HTC website under the specs of HTC One is information is the following:
•Total storage : 32GB/64GB, available capacity varies1
•RAM : 2 GB DDR2
This is the correct information, since this is in our HTC website; the other one that you provide for us to see, is a third-party website and we do not recommend looking at those websites for information like this. I recommend you to always look on HTC official websites or contact HTC Email Support for any questions or assistance you have in the future.
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I think that It is better to writing to qualcomm with the question
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I think that It is better to writing to qualcomm with the question
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I don`t think qualcomm has smth to do with that, i guess that snapdragon 600 supports UP to ddr3, so if they decided to go ddr2 i guess it`s possible, why would they advertise it with ddr2 if it`s ddr3? )