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The other day i surfed to google from my XDA exec.
mobile internet rocks!!
i was wondering how does google know that i surfed in from a pda, cause i think it sent me to
www.google.co.uk/pda
the web page probably detected your screen size and redirected you to a page that was more friendly to you PDA browser. i wish more sites would do this.
www.google.com/pda for us US residents.
LOL
Not the screen size but the type of your internet browser, in this case Pocket IE.
Correct--it's not the screen size.
Although a LOT of your information is sent over the wire, much more than most of us realize, your resolution information is unknown to most websites, unless you explicitly allow it to be given via some kind of an executable that transmits such information. An example would be an embedded ActiveX object in IE for Windows.
Back on topic, yes, your browser information is known, not only to Google, but to every other website you visit. Not only that, the website also knows where you came from (i.e. the http addy) and where you went when you left it. There's a whole bunch of information deemed to be private that we would rather keep to ourselves (such as our surfing habits) that's known to any website that installs a cookie (a common thing nowadays) on your computer.
This is also how Google knows where you are. For example, when I log on, Google send me to the local Saudi page at http://www.google.com.sa/ It knows this information by doing a reverse lookup on your IP address, and comparing it against known databases of geographically assigned IPs. Since IP addresses are assigned and tied to geographical locations, it's easy enough to do, although it's still very disconcerting to see.
Be careful folks, even your searching habits are being tracked by Google. I have nothing to hide, so I don't care, but many folks do. Witness the recent Federal inquiry into the searching habits of the users of major search engines. Yahoo and MSN gave up that information quickly enough but Google is resisting. I don't think it will be able to hold out for very long though.
Imagine...now the fact that you searched for p0rn on the 'net is well known to anyone in the know. Scary, isn't it?
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thanks monakh
so google can detect both my mobile ip address (is there such a thing?) and my browser, correct?
monakh said:
the website also knows where you came from (i.e. the http addy)
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Correct, through the referrer...
monakh said:
and where you went when you left it.
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Only if you click a link on the site itself, -and- it is handled via a special handler.
No information is sent to a website when you leave it through e.g. a bookmark in your browser, or by typing in a new URL.
Please correct me if I'm wrong
You are correct.
hey i mailed myself (google account) using my adsl modem and using the gprs/3g connection to check the header to see if i could spot an originating ip address
i found one common ip address
Received: by 10.xy.za.b with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:34:45 -0800 (PST)
i guess this is the google server, correct?
is there any way to prise the originating ip address from an email
That's why there is a registry hack to set Pocket Internet Explorer works like Internet Explorer 6.0.
Tuningszocske said:
That's why there is a registry hack to set Pocket Internet Explorer works like Internet Explorer 6.0.
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Not entirely... I mean, you could - of course. But it also means that many sites will fail to send you PDA-specific content - which, with most plans/top-ups, means heavy costs.
Identifying PIE as IE6 is more used for stupid websites who check whether the browser is IE6 or above, regardless of whether that is actually required by the site.
There's three parts, the compatibility bit ('(Default) = Mozilla/4.0'), the browser string ('Version = MSIE 6.0') and the platform ('Platform = Windows NT 5.0'). If you leave the last bit intact ('Platform = Windows CE'), then you should still be able to get into stupid sites, while having PDA-friendly sites send you the PDA content.
oh i had not thought about the popups
i guess we wont get(suffer) popups with mobile ie5?
i just posted to this bulletin board to check my ip address
from the pc it looks like this 82.1a.bcd.efg
and fro my cda it looks like 193.abc.def.ghi
That's fine because presumably your mobile device and your home PC are on different networks so they sport different IPs.
IPs are a dead giveaway. In many cases, your position can be 'somewhat' and primitively triangulated to within 5 square miles of where you are. This may not be necessarily true for mobile networks, but those networks know where you are at all times anyway. In fact, there is now regulation in the US that mandates all handset makers to manufacture hardware with GPS functionality built-in. Between the two and a half dozen GPS satellites and your cellular network, you can run but you can't hide
This is, of course, so emergency services can reach you in time of need (in case you are unable to make the call to 911/999).
Of course...
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This is, of course, so emergency services can reach you in time of need (in case you are unable to make the call to 911/999).
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Technically it's so they can find you if you do call 911/999/112/whathaveyou but are unable (due to injuries, or duress, etc.) to state your location.
Being able to find you at any time is an added perk but it needs court orders even if you have been reported and officially designated a "missing person". Getting such a court order can take many hours, being declared a missing person can take 24 hours up to 48 hours (depends on the country and exactly what reasons you have to believe the person in question is truely missing).
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monakh said:
This is, of course, so emergency services can reach you in time of need (in case you are unable to make the call to 911/999).
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Technically it's so they can find you if you do call 911/999/112/whathaveyou but are unable (due to injuries, or duress, etc.) to state your location.
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Ahh yes, I stand corrected.
It's so we CAN make the call and are unable to state the location. That WOULD make sense. However, like you said, there are legal hurdles, although at least in the U.S., they are fewer and far between.
is there any ip address list out there which tells me which ip addresses are allocated to which country?
are ip addresses bunched like telephone numbers
e.g. +1 is north america
+3 and +4 is europe
+96 & +97 middle east
nope, that's not how they work
organisations can get an IP from their service provider, who get blocks from their service providers, who get bigger blocks from places like RIPE, who in turn get huge blocks from ARIN.
But if it's a specific IP you're interested in, try VisualRoute
got it!! thanks
Yes, yes, yes, and yes.
These can all be answered yourself with a search as well; with 48 posts, one would think it was known already.
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Yes, yes, yes, and yes.
These can all be answered yourself with a search as well; with 48 posts, one would think it was known already.
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HI.THNX MUCH
I forgot to mention:
The only difference is that after every ~1MB of content downloaded, the connection restarts. When browsing web pages, it is not noticable, however, when streaming audio it will re buffer every 1MB (which for 32kbps, come out to about every 7 mins).
I've read about the tzones hack and it seems like its a pain. I mean I'm all for saving money and $5.99 compared to $29.99 is a big difference, but is it really worth it?
The 'T-Zones' hack (actually the feature is now called 'TMobileWeb') works great if you take into the lmitation of the Proxy server port restrictions and the 900k limit on a continuous stream of data.
If you just need to browse the web it works great. If you are into streaming audio, then it can be a pain. At around 900k I get an error that I have to disconnect and reconnect to overcome. I can't use my favorite IM program because it does not support a proxy.
Is it worth the hassle? I guess it really depends on your needs.
Just as long as the program that is being used has a proxy setting option, then it will work for Tzones. I had no difficulties getting Tzones to work and the only complaint that i have is with streaming audio (which i rarely do since i bought the 2GB miniSD card). When streaming audio, it is not needed to reconnect the whole edge connection, but only re buffering the song is needed, then it'll play for another 7 minutes or however long 900KB of data takes to stream. IMO, the huge savings of $24 per month is golden, there is not anything really different besides not having access to hotspots.
so I can use the hacked version of AIM and internet explorer at the same time, and also have an exchange server set up without changing the proxy?
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so I can use the hacked version of AIM and internet explorer at the same time,
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Definitely. I'm using the hacked AIM and I am able to use PIE at the same time.
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and also have an exchange server set up without changing the proxy?
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Not too sure about this one, i'm using a POP account and having my phone send and receive every 15mins to check for mail, which then downloads and shows in my inbox (labeled Comcast on my device). Search around for the exchange server question, I read it somewhere in a thread with a tzones topic but i wasn't too interested in it so i skimmed through it.
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Just as long as the program that is being used has a proxy setting option, then it will work for Tzones. I had no difficulties getting Tzones to work and the only complaint that i have is with streaming audio (which i rarely do since i bought the 2GB miniSD card). When streaming audio, it is not needed to reconnect the whole edge connection, but only re buffering the song is needed, then it'll play for another 7 minutes or however long 900KB of data takes to stream. IMO, the huge savings of $24 per month is golden, there is not anything really different besides not having access to hotspots.
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What I am saying though is that mine stops at 900k and gives an error that the server is not responding or is busy. I then have to re-establish my stream to continue.
I wish mine would simply buffer.....consider yourself lucky. It seems that some people don't suffer the same limitations as others. It varies by area it would seem.
what is the t-zone hack? thanks
I got it and it's running great
But I can't log into my messenger .....
help , please
Where are the settings I have not seen them on the topic. The one I use is
Proxy Settings
[email protected]
and the waps are
wap.voicestream.com
Is this is what everyone is using? if not please post the other hack.
yea post the hacks please, thanks
SENT IT ON PM TO YOU
TELL ME IF YOU GOT IT
using either getmorespeed.voicestream.com or the 216.165.... setting are getting me an 'access denied' lately. anybody else experiences this?
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using either getmorespeed.voicestream.com or the 216.165.... setting are getting me an 'access denied' lately. anybody else experiences this?
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Damm it man either I jinxed myself or you did lol Access denied as well
yeah, i think t-mobile is catching on to this workaround. The funny thing about this is that I am able to access AIM, check my mail, and do other things, except browse the internet with any web browser. T-Mobile is probably putting restrictions into url searches. I'm not exactly sure how this whole thingamajiggy works, but i guess they're blocking web browsing, and want us to use T-Mobile Data, for 29.99.
that really sucks, i've only had the mda for about 2 1/2 months.
Still working great for me. I doubt that they will do away with the proxy server because even the most basic phone now days support full HTML browsing. They would also have to introduce some intermediate feature (between the $6.00 Tmobileweb and $20.00 balackberry) to compete with everyone else if they did.
I am trying to get my internet apps to run using this proxy setting but the only thing that works is the internet explorer. I have the network management pointing to my tmobile data setting that containes the proxy. Any one have a solution for this?
Hi,
Does anyone know if tmobile make additional charges for non web traffic on their basic web and walk plan. For example will I be charged for acessing an SSH server.
Hi,
You shouldn't receive any additional charges, the Pro package allows you to use 3GB and the phone as a modem, whilst the Max package allows 10GB and VOIP use.
I'm not entirely sure how they check but seeing as the basic package advertises internet on your mobile, I dont see how a pocket pc ssh client would be breaking that.
I'm thinking of upgrading to the Max so that I can use skype and I'm starting to use alot of data now I've got Orb set up...!
Hope this helps,
Just spotted this on the site...
(Basic should)
Not to be used for other activities (including but not limited to): modem access for computers, internet based video/audio streaming services, peer to peer file sharing, internet based video downloads, internet phone calls and instant messaging.
The question is what does not limited to cover. I note somewhere else on their site it says you can't download pdf, xls,doc or mp3 on basic. it's really not very clear and the support staff don't seem not understand what an SSH server is. I don't understand what's wrong with just having a simple usage cap.
Hi,
I just recently purchased an HTC 8525 on the AT&T network. Is it worth investing in an unlimited data plan? Is there ways around this? I would like to be able to access the internet/email when I do not have access to WiFi. Any suggestions? Also what do you guys recommend be done to a stock 8525, in terms of applications, system structure, etc. The phone does have WM6 installed.
Howdy Newbie from my birth-state,
First, if you havent already done so, read through the entire Hermes Wiki. That will answer many of your questions. The unlimited data plan is KEY if you want to use, for ex., XM radio/MobiTV or receive GPS maps, etc.=basically anything that is "streaming". Just keep reading everything here-"seek and ye shall find". Welcome
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Howdy Newbie from my birth-state,
First, if you havent already done so, read through the entire Hermes Wiki. That will answer many of your questions. The unlimited data plan is KEY if you want to use, for ex., XM radio/MobiTV or receive GPS maps, etc.=basically anything that is "streaming". Just keep reading everything here-"seek and ye shall find". Welcome
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Ditto. Did gain alot of knowledge through research! Now I have a leet phone w/ lots mods and hacks!
hi...see the well done new member intro (by stevebonning) here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325748
scasper76 said:
Hi,
I just recently purchased an HTC 8525 on the AT&T network. Is it worth investing in an unlimited data plan? Is there ways around this? I would like to be able to access the internet/email when I do not have access to WiFi. Any suggestions?
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As an employee, I'll be the first to tell you: Spend the $40-50/mo and get one of the unlimited plans. I should've taken a picture of a customer I had to tell had over $200 in data charges alone today. You've got 2 choices: $39.99 for unl. data and 1500 txts, or $49.99 for unl. everything. You've got the device, so spend the money to use it to its fullest.
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As an employee, I'll be the first to tell you: Spend the $40-50/mo and get one of the unlimited plans. I should've taken a picture of a customer I had to tell had over $200 in data charges alone today. You've got 2 choices: $39.99 for unl. data and 1500 txts, or $49.99 for unl. everything. You've got the device, so spend the money to use it to its fullest.
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I agree with the above poster. Get the unl data. You will find yourself doing things on your phone when your bored, ie net surfing and such. Plus I like to use internet sharing on my laptop when i am not home.
I got the MediaMax 200 plan for $19.99/mo. Unlimited internet, great price. Don't know if it's still available, but I signed up for it online. Also look at the threads-there's a thread about this program and how to get it.
Best wishes,
Steve Bonning
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I got the MediaMax 200 plan for $19.99/mo. Unlimited internet, great price. Don't know if it's still available, but I signed up for it online. Also look at the threads-there's a thread about this program and how to get it.
Best wishes,
Steve Bonning
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Steve,
Which program?
Not a program, it's a data plan for the phone. Was available via Cingular/AT&T's online site and through their Business Portal (via employees who have deals with them). Don't know if it's still around, but probably worth searching for.
Steve
Here's the details from Cingular.com web site for MediaMax 200 @ $19.99. Effectively is unlimited internet access and 200 messages.
MEdia Max 200 BundleGet ready to open up the power of your phone! Enjoy unlimited high quality video and entertainment in the palm of your hand. Get UNLIMITED access to Cellular Video, MEdiaTM Net and the freedom to message any way to any one with 200 Messages. Included in your MEdia Max 200 bundle:
UNLIMITED Cellular Video
Cellular Video brings you video clips of your favorite TV shows, music videos, movie trailers, comedians and sports highlights. Play high-quality news, sports, weather, and entertainment video clips on demand on your 3G phone. Plus, you can add exclusive video programming from HBO MobileSM and HBO Family MobileSM.
UNLIMITED MEdia Net
With MEdia Net, you can browse the mobile web, check your Email, get your sports scores, movie times, weather and news right on your mobile phone. Plus, you can access the latest ringtones, games, graphics and AT&T Mobile Music.
200 Messages (5¢/additional messages)
You have the freedom to message any way to any one - text, picture, video and IM - without worrying what each message costs. That means every message counts the same. You can send and receive ANY combination of messages. Want to send all picture messages? No problem. All IMs? Go ahead and chat away - send and receive messages for less than pennies per day!
International messages not included. Charges for international messages sent from the U.S. are 25¢ for Text Messages and 50¢ for Picture/Video Messages. Standard rates apply to all incoming messages when in the U.S. Additional charges for premium messages and content apply. Messages over 300 KBs billed an additional 50¢/message. Where available; see att.com/cv for availability. For full details on Messaging or MEdia Net, see the AT&T MEdia brochure, att.com/mediaterms. Pay-Per-Use Charges: Text/Instant Messaging 15¢/message; Picture/Video Messages 25¢/message; MEdia Net Browsing 1¢/KB. MEdia Net and MEdia Bundles are not available on PDAs/Pocket PCs, RIM® devices or LaptopConnect cards. If your usage of the Services (including unlimited data plans) on other carriers' wireless networks ("offnet usage") during any two consecutive months exceeds your offnet usage allowance, AT&T may at its option terminate your wireless service or access to data Services, deny your continued use of other carriers' coverage, or change your plan to one imposing usage charges for offnet usage. Your offnet usage allowance is equal to the lesser of 6 megabytes or 20% of the kilobytes included with your plan and for messaging plans the lesser of 3000 messages or 50% of the messages included with your plan. AT&T will provide notice that it intends to take any of the above actions and you may terminate your agreement.
Steve
From newbie to another, do not leave AT&T to another carrier other than Verizon otherwise you'll find that the streaming media does not stream so well anymore other than wifi. As far as ROMS I have never had a problem with Schaps ROMs. Holidays with ever read & make-up your own mind or build your own.
Ah, nice Steve. Thanks for the info!
Better yet; cancel the AT&T, send back the phone. Buy a hermes off craigslist or ebay.
Activate a new account with t-mobile. Sell the phone you get from them on CL or ebay, or keep as a backup.
Unlock the hermes with the free unlocker.
Use with unlimited cheap $5.99 t-zones (just put the proxy server settings in the hermes to make it work).
Basically if you want the fastest and you can afford it, stay with AT&T. If you want the cheapest, the tzones can't be beat. It's kind of pokey, about dialup speed. But it works for me for:
Web surfing (traffic cam, cl, ebay)
Exchange Push email!
popmail
webmail
There is a company in my country called Movistar. They currently have this prepaid plan, which costs only the equivalent of $15 per month... contract free. It includes:
500 minutes to any company.
100 SMS to any company.
Unlimited minutes to any Movistar phone.
Unlimited SMS to any Movistar phone.
Unlimited access to these apps: Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp and Email.
250MB of data.
Now... As you can see, the plan is pretty good for the price, except the lame amount of data.
But... The Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp and Email are unlimited, without interruptions.
Is there a way to use that as my advantage and redirect the browser or something to use the data of those apps so I won't be limited to just 250MB? Is there a way to use a browser inside Facebook somehow?
Thanks.
No.
I'm pretty sure their DNS servers log the IP addresses for those sites and allow unthrottled access to those IPs. They all have more than one IP address per site, and they change so first you'd have to find that out. Then you have to find a way to first direct your traffic to facebooks and the other sites then route it to the site you really want to goto, then rout it back to you all through a VPN most likely so your site request actually comes back to you instead of getting denied.. In short, it would be complicated and illegal as hell and I don't think you will find an answer here without the thread getting locked. I don't think its possible even with the use of IP spoofing. These are all just somewhat educated guesses.
Do you guys think it would help if I root my phone and use a public DNS, like Google DNS or OpenDNS?
Funny thing is, that after I finish the 250MB, I still have access to Google and I can search and everything, but when I try to open a search result, it redirects to me to the website of my carrier (as it should happen).
But, with Chrome Beta, if I activate the bandwidth reduction function, I can get unlimited browsing.
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Funny thing is, that after I finish the 250MB, I still have access to Google and I can search and everything, but when I try to open a search result, it redirects to me to the website of my carrier (as it should happen).
But, with Chrome Beta, if I activate the bandwidth reduction function, I can get unlimited browsing.
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But I'm betting that you will be billed for it. Regardless of being on a prepaid plan.
For example you have a 250MB cap. You can use up to that for the price you pay...however they will just charge you per MB/GB you use above your allotted plan amount.
So next month when you go to pay your $15...they might say you went over last month on your data and this month you're paying $ XX.
In essence they want you to go over and you'll pay dearly for it.
I have a friend who goes over his data amount all the time...last month was $125 in over usage on data.
I'd call them and find out what their protocol is on over usage before you get dinged.
Better to be proactive than reactive :good: