Device: 8525
The first question, does installing tons of applications on storage (memory) slow down your device? (I'm not speaking of running several programs at once but, essentially installing softwares on the device other than SD.)
Second question, the theory of, anything that goes on your TODAY'S SCREEN, should go on the device, however, is there a specific limitation as to how much should go onto the device?
In other words, I noticed that my memory runs roughly between (from soft boot) 28m and an average of 20-25m. Usually the device starts feeling sluggish around 20-25m. It's tolerable but this is only having basic applications on the device. I noticed that once I went below 20m, I'm prone to crashing and severe slowdown on applications launching, closing, etc.
I currently have all my applications on the SD card. I won't focus on the non-today screen applications but I did install those softwares as well on the SD card. The only thing I have installed on the device are Resco Keyboard, Tengo, Flexmail.
Needless to say, my device runs pretty fast. I do get occasionaly lock ups. Lock ups such like when I press the Standby button, at times, when I press the standby button again to wake it up, it won't wake up. Lights are still blinking as if it was active but nothing. I have to actually remove the battery and turn it back on.
This issue could be caused by? (Today screen items installed on SD card?)
I will probably try to reinstall all the todays screen item on the device later on but I'm still testing as to what is the best thing to do. Obviously, there is no way around having certain applications on the SD card but this obviously leads me to my first question.
Here are my current software (there are more but non-essentials are no issue and are on the SD card).
SBSH PocketBreeze
SBSH Contact Breeze
Pocket Informant
SBSH Ilauncher
SBSH Pocket Weather
Flexmail
PhoneAlarm
These are all on the SD card.
What do you think?
nutnbolt said:
Device: 8525
The first question, does installing tons of applications on storage (memory) slow down your device? (I'm not speaking of running several programs at once but, essentially installing softwares on the device other than SD.)
Second question, the theory of, anything that goes on your TODAY'S SCREEN, should go on the device, however, is there a specific limitation as to how much should go onto the device?
In other words, I noticed that my memory runs roughly between (from soft boot) 28m and an average of 20-25m. Usually the device starts feeling sluggish around 20-25m. It's tolerable but this is only having basic applications on the device. I noticed that once I went below 20m, I'm prone to crashing and severe slowdown on applications launching, closing, etc.
I currently have all my applications on the SD card. I won't focus on the non-today screen applications but I did install those softwares as well on the SD card. The only thing I have installed on the device are Resco Keyboard, Tengo, Flexmail.
Needless to say, my device runs pretty fast. I do get occasionaly lock ups. Lock ups such like when I press the Standby button, at times, when I press the standby button again to wake it up, it won't wake up. Lights are still blinking as if it was active but nothing. I have to actually remove the battery and turn it back on.
This issue could be caused by? (Today screen items installed on SD card?)
I will probably try to reinstall all the todays screen item on the device later on but I'm still testing as to what is the best thing to do. Obviously, there is no way around having certain applications on the SD card but this obviously leads me to my first question.
Here are my current software (there are more but non-essentials are no issue and are on the SD card).
SBSH PocketBreeze
SBSH Contact Breeze
Pocket Informant
SBSH Ilauncher
SBSH Pocket Weather
Flexmail
PhoneAlarm
These are all on the SD card.
What do you think?
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To be honest it sounds like you have this pretty well thought out already. You know the theory - anything that runs allthe time should be in Main Memory the rest on SD etc etc.
My experience is that yes, if you over-crowd Main memory it will slow down and crash.
I largely ignore the rules about not storing certain apps on storage card. My only exceptions are Wallpaper and my regular Ring tone - (all the rest on card)
I did notice frequent hangs while I had Phone Alarm installed. (However it has several settings which perhaps could have been changed to make it work more smoothly)
I do not get many lockups but I have run all the usual precautions such as "The Fake Server" for Active Sync automatic soft re-sets, Task manager to shut running progs., etc etc
Overall I guess it's a trade off against speed if it's installed to Main Memory and slowing things down if you overfill Main memory. You find your own balance. I favour virtually everything on SD Card.
Mike
If I had it my way, I would store everything on the SD card. Unfortunately some applications will not work on it, however, some are so and so. It will but it won't. Nevertheless, I thought this out well but I needed to find out if there was anything I would miss in terms of device issues. Like when it goes to sleep mode, I noticed in phonealarm, there is a way to prevent the battery from sleeping? What does that mean? I don't know....
Anyway, anyone else have any other suggestions.
Just got a sandisk 1 gig card for my 8525. Oddly when I press the power button to recover from sleep mode, without the disk in it restores in under a second. With the empty card installed it takes up to 3-4 seconds. Is this normal??
TIA
roverman said:
Just got a sandisk 1 gig card for my 8525. Oddly when I press the power button to recover from sleep mode, without the disk in it restores in under a second. With the empty card installed it takes up to 3-4 seconds. Is this normal??
TIA
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Does not sound excessive BUT I have same SD card and restores in under 1 second with card in.
Mike
I would put ALL of those apps on your device. The card should be used for programs that you OPEN and CLOSE when done. All of those apps run while the phone sleeps. Exit media player when you tyurn the phone off, in case it is playing mp3's that are on yourcard, etc. The whole point is this:
You're device should never, for any reason, try to access the card while asleep!!!
That's the golden rule...
OK so I have to ask. What happens when you break the golden rule? Is it possible that applications accessing the micro SD card while the unit is 'sleeping' (eg messaging software connecting to download new messages every X mins and trying to save them on the SD card) is the cause of the lockup / freeze condition that people are reporting (and that I have too - but only when apps that connect to data network are running in the background).
I have broken the golden rule. I store everything on my SD card with the exception of a few that didn't allow it. This includes softwares that even goes on my today's screen.
How is it performing?
Well, you will get lockup's if you don't know how each software reacts. What is the cause of it? I'm not sure exactly. I know that I narrowed down a couple of softwares that I initially stored on my SD card and then finally moved it onto my memory and the lockups/BSOD (Black screen of death) disappeared.
You have top lay around when installing each software. Some software will warn you that you should install it in memory but can get away with it if it's on the SD card and some softwares will tell you THIS SHOULD BE ON MEMORY, so I don't mess with that. I suggest install as much as you can on SD card and if something goes wrong, check the settings of the last recently software you installed and make sure nothing in the settings is causing the lockup. If there is nothing, then move it to memory.
So here is what I've found out so far for my 8525.
I've convinced myself that if any application, running in the background while the PDA is 'sleeping' (ie the screen turned off), tries to access the SD card it will cause the PDA to lock up.
For a while I thought the issue was related to apps connecting via DUN to the internet, but I now thinks the lock up are related to the SD card access.
So I do install apps on the SD card where possible - but NOT ones that would access the SD card while running in the background. This also applies to where data is stored - eg message attachments (if messaging is downloading e-mails/attachments periodically don't store them on the SD card).
Secondly ensure Active Sync is set to 'manual'. See the following post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-288352.html
When I ensure nothing is running in the background that accesses the SD card I don't see lock up. While I've not been able (yet) to attribute 100% of my lockups to SD card access by doing this I've been able to virtually eliminate lock ups (I was getting 2-3 per day).
This also implies that I can't leave the programs that I installed on the SD card running in background when the device goes into sleep if there is any possibility they will try and access the SD card (some apps won't do anything until you interact with them, some apps run in the background and connect/download data etc - those I can't leave running).
Hopefully the new ROM will be released shortly and will eliminate this problem and improve the reliability overall!!
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So here is what I've found out so far for my 8525.
I've convinced myself that if any application, running in the background while the PDA is 'sleeping' (ie the screen turned off), tries to access the SD card it will cause the PDA to lock up.
For a while I thought the issue was related to apps connecting via DUN to the internet, but I now thinks the lock up are related to the SD card access.
So I do install apps on the SD card where possible - but NOT ones that would access the SD card while running in the background. This also applies to where data is stored - eg message attachments (if messaging is downloading e-mails/attachments periodically don't store them on the SD card).
Secondly ensure Active Sync is set to 'manual'. See the following post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-288352.html
When I ensure nothing is running in the background that accesses the SD card I don't see lock up. While I've not been able (yet) to attribute 100% of my lockups to SD card access by doing this I've been able to virtually eliminate lock ups (I was getting 2-3 per day).
This also implies that I can't leave the programs that I installed on the SD card running in background when the device goes into sleep if there is any possibility they will try and access the SD card (some apps won't do anything until you interact with them, some apps run in the background and connect/download data etc - those I can't leave running).
Hopefully the new ROM will be released shortly and will eliminate this problem and improve the reliability overall!!
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That is a good summary and good to get actual experience feedback. The proof of the pudding is in the eating or in your case the enormous reduction in lock ups.
Mike
I took another approach to this problem. I like to keep everything on my SD card as well, but I hate the lag that occurs if you put the device to sleep. My solution was, simply put, to never put it to sleep. I disabled sleep completely and I never use the power button to shut down the screen. It's very very nice having it instantly ready to go at the touch of a button. The battery life usage is minimal for me to have this benefit. However, I feel this device is a bit slow still. I would like to find an overclocking program that works for this device eventually.
I was able to reproduce the freezing in standby (i.e. the device not waking up, but leds blinking AND when I tried to call myself from another phone I heard the ringings in the caller phone, but no sign from the freezed TyTN).
I Installed AEButtons (on PHONE memory, not on card).
Put HW1 / HW2 that on single-click / double click to toggle WiFi.
I turn WiFI off, then on, using the HW shortcut.
Then put phone manually to sleep.
It won't wake up by any mean, except soft reset.
Unfortunately, this worked for me every time .
I am uninstalling now all programs one by one because sometimes the freezing would manifest when charging, too (but not always). I will probably end up with a hard reset and start rebuilding again...
Is there any way around the issue of the SD card being shutdown in sleep mode, which causes apps running from there to crash when you awaken the device as dlls etc they are relying on, are suddenly not available for a few seconds.
Seems like a flaw in the OS to me, in that it should track file handles to SD card and bring them back to life correctly on re-awaken.
The OS closes any application running from a storage card when it can't detect that card quickly enough after being switched on. I believe this is actually meant to prevent a real crash when you've taken out the card during sleep mode. Unfortunately, even with the card present it takes some time to detect it, and the OS is too impatient...
Try this tweak to make it wait a little longer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=849904&highlight=pnpunloaddelay#post849904
Thanks - will take a look at that!
Tried it, and it doesn't work for me.
In general my phone works great, but I have been having some issues with it directly after startup or syncing it with my computer.
Immediately after startup and when on the home screen, it tries to recognize the sdcard, but fails, and then proceeds to open a bunch of apps. I then to kill the apps with the app killer. Eventually when I open an app or just use an everyday function of the phone, it crashes and becomes unresponsive. Or when it goes to sleep, it won't wake up. I then have to pull the battery, and on startup the same thing happens. Takes a few pulls before it actually recognizes the sd card and starts up correctly.
For the past few days, i haven't even shut the phone off. Let me know if anyone else is expreriencing this or has some advice.
Hey, so today I restarted my phone and was greeted with the error "Damaged SD Card SD Card is damaged. Try reformatting it."
Obviously I didn't want to do that. So I decided to check it and popped it into my computer and everything works fine. Restarted my phone. Popped it back into my phone. Still doesn't work. I downloaded SD Insight to verify the legitimacy of the card (which I didn't think would be a problem since I picked up the Samsung Pro one at Fry's Electronics).
Just wondering if anyone else has run into this as of late and/or has a solution based on past experience? I was trying to avoid reformatting since it works fine on my computer and it's a lot of data I'd have to deal with putting back...thanks for any help in advance!
Oh. And it's a Samsun Pro+ 64GB card. If that helps.
Had this happen on my wife's mxpe. I had to back the SD card to my pc, format it then put everything back on it. When. Doing so I noticed there were about a dozen corrupt files. Not sure how or why it happened, butnita been 3 weeks now and it hasn't happened again!
ChuckL333 said:
Had this happen on my wife's mxpe. I had to back the SD card to my pc, format it then put everything back on it. When. Doing so I noticed there were about a dozen corrupt files. Not sure how or why it happened, butnita been 3 weeks now and it hasn't happened again!
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I gave up and moved everything off, reformatted, and moved it back on.
Just wanted to note: this may or may not be related to something I noticed with my music. I have some Google Play Music that I downloaded to my computer and then moved to my phone (because I hate the way Play Music only lets you download the whole album). After a few weeks, I noticed my other music players (Phonograph and Black Player Music) would stop when those songs would queue up. It would say "this song could not be played" and just quit. Funny thing is, sometimes those songs wouldn't even show up on my SD card. TIt had been happening for a couple of weeks, which prompted me to restart my phone today (though not the first time I've restarted in the same time frame). Anyway. Weird.
2 issues i'm currently having.
1) samsung pay asks for fingerprint or pin verification. neither option works. PIN does a quick "loading" icon and loads the same screen it was just on. fingerprint will do a loading icon for longer and go back to the screen asking if i want to use fingerprint or PIN.
2) phone keeps disconnecting from PC during microSD card transfer. trying to transfer my music, every single time it fails about 10% of the way through (though on a different song each time). About to just take the idiot card out and simply transfer using an external reader. I ran into this exact same issue with my galaxy s3 as well, the phone kept disconnecting every time i tried to do a larger transfer.
shrimants said:
2 issues i'm currently having.
1) samsung pay asks for fingerprint or pin verification. neither option works. PIN does a quick "loading" icon and loads the same screen it was just on. fingerprint will do a loading icon for longer and go back to the screen asking if i want to use fingerprint or PIN.
2) phone keeps disconnecting from PC during microSD card transfer. trying to transfer my music, every single time it fails about 10% of the way through (though on a different song each time). About to just take the idiot card out and simply transfer using an external reader. I ran into this exact same issue with my galaxy s3 as well, the phone kept disconnecting every time i tried to do a larger transfer.
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On the Samsung Pay issue, have you disabled anything using Package Disabler Pro? I had this happen on the Note 5 and it was because one of the Samsung processes I disabled made this happened. I enabled everything and tried it and then it worked. Once I had my card set-up I was able to disable everything again with no issues.
As for issue 2 I have no idea on that.
shrimants said:
2 issues i'm currently having.
1) samsung pay asks for fingerprint or pin verification. neither option works. PIN does a quick "loading" icon and loads the same screen it was just on. fingerprint will do a loading icon for longer and go back to the screen asking if i want to use fingerprint or PIN.
2) phone keeps disconnecting from PC during microSD card transfer. trying to transfer my music, every single time it fails about 10% of the way through (though on a different song each time). About to just take the idiot card out and simply transfer using an external reader. I ran into this exact same issue with my galaxy s3 as well, the phone kept disconnecting every time i tried to do a larger transfer.
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That happens if the app gets disabled and re-enabled or messed with in basically any form. Just go to apps, clear cache and data of Samsung Pay and Samsung Pay Framework, then uninstall any updates to both of the apps, reboot and open the Samsung Pay stub app in the app drawer (the one that installed the real Samsung Pay; it has the same icon). Should work again after doing the above. c:.
As far as your SD card, that could be a bad SD card or MTP/Driver issue. Personally, I've been able to transfer over 100GB of stuff to my SD card, so it's probably one of the formerly mentioned.
On the SDcard transfer I had similar issues. I was using my own generic USB cable so on a whim I used the original Samsung cable and voila no more errors. So try that to see if it works for you.
Tried a different USB port and the transfer worked. Still closed the window and windows said that it cant display the contents of the drive till the transfer is done (weird).
For the samsung pay thing i havent disabled anything and i tried the clear cache thing but not for the pay framework part. I'll try whats listed and update.
got it working