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FAT32 File Limitation

I have many movies that I want to put on my tablet to watch. Most are over 4 GB in size since their HD. You cant transfer them to the SD because of the FAT32 size limitation. Since Android doesn't recognize SD cards formatted to EXT3, you cant format the SD that way to allow the higher size file transfers.
I got myself an adapter on ebay so I could hook my portable 1TB drive to the tab. It connects the usb end of the tab cable and makes it into the micro usb end that goes into the drive. Only problem is that it didn't work. The tab doesn't put out any power to run the drive.
Is there an app or tweak that can be made to have the tab push power out to do this?

dubie76 said:
I have many movies that I want to put on my tablet to watch. Most are over 4 GB in size since their HD. You cant transfer them to the SD because of the FAT32 size limitation. Since Android doesn't recognize SD cards formatted to EXT3, you cant format the SD that way to allow the higher size file transfers.
I got myself an adapter on ebay so I could hook my portable 1TB drive to the tab. It connects the usb end of the tab cable and makes it into the micro usb end that goes into the drive. Only problem is that it didn't work. The tab doesn't put out any power to run the drive.
Is there an app or tweak that can be made to have the tab push power out to do this?
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Link to said device?

natious said:
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Doesnt matter because it doesnt work........

USB Host Adaptors do not put out power of any decent level on the TAB, this is not a software limitation as I understand it but actually a Hardware Limitation in the pinouts. Most USB Host/USB On The Go portable devices don't put out the sort of power required for a HDD.
At any rate, said device should work with an externally powered HDD, instead of a USB powered one.

Whether the videos are mkv or avi. You can get a splitter software.
Splitting is much faster than Transcoding. You can split your files within seconds and then copy them over.
Trust me. I know it's inconvenient, but it's just so stupid how manufacturers keep ignoring USB host.

USB Hard Drive connection

Has anyonebeen able to connect successfully an hard drive to TP?
I've tried by all manners without success,even with the docking ... no luck.
Would thisbe possible if we root TP?

for your usb drive to be mounted by the thinkpad, it has to be formatted in fat32. not fat or ntfs.
Ive got 2 hard drives (1terabyte and 500GB) with loads of data on them and are both formatted ntfs. I connected them to my thinkpad, they powered up but did not mount. I wasn't ready to reformat my hard drives with data on them so i didn't try.
However, I think I've got a 2GB usb stick lying around somewhere . I'll format it to fat32 and post some feedback here later.
oh and before trying, go to settings-->storage and enable usb storage devices. otherwise no device would mount on the tablet. even when formatted properly

as darkhandsome18 mentioned, yes but the harddrive has to be formatted in Fat32. Windows XP, Vista, and 7 don't allow you to format harddrives over 32GB within windows. However, you can use a thirdparty utility to format drives that are over 32GB in size to Fat32.
i personally use Fat32formatter (its commandline based) to do this w/my drives.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/FAT32format.shtml
i did verify that my 1TB external usb harddrive did mount on the TPT, i have not tried to run any videos or music from it though.

darkhandsome18 said:
for your usb drive to be mounted by the thinkpad, it has to be formatted in fat32. not fat or ntfs.
Ive got 2 hard drives (1terabyte and 500GB) with loads of data on them and are both formatted ntfs. I connected them to my thinkpad, they powered up but did not mount. I wasn't ready to reformat my hard drives with data on them so i didn't try.
However, I think I've got a 2GB usb stick lying around somewhere . I'll format it to fat32 and post some feedback here later.
oh and before trying, go to settings-->storage and enable usb storage devices. otherwise no device would mount on the tablet. even when formatted properly
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i have tried 4 ext HDD (ntfs and fat32), and all of them is not working.... (except for draining my battery for powering the HDD.. )
but for usb flash drive, that is a different matter, is it easily recognized by my TPT..
there is 1 unique problem that occurred to me, while trying to copy files from/into my TPT, there's a notification that file copy is successful, but when i check the file, it's size is 0 bytes..
this has happened to me 3-4 times, unfortunately, i dont know where's the "glitch" is coming from, as i can't replicate the problem anymore (i haven't got any update at all)

I have 2 different 500gb 2,5" drives. My samsung drive works fine playing music on the TPT. The WD drive I have only works sometimes strangly enough.
Normally when I use playback from hdd I use my supercharger power which connects throught the docking port or else the TPT just gets sucked dry of power as the hdd draws almost 500mA's.

External Drives
zeb crs said:
I have 2 different 500gb 2,5" drives. My samsung drive works fine playing music on the TPT. The WD drive I have only works sometimes strangly enough.
Normally when I use playback from hdd I use my supercharger power which connects throught the docking port or else the TPT just gets sucked dry of power as the hdd draws almost 500mA's.
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If your external drive is formatted at fat32 and has its own power source, you will have success using it with the TPT. But if you are depending on the tablet's USB port to supply enough power to spin the disks in the external hard drive, you will get varying results, depending on the power requirements for your external drive. USB flash drives work fine because they have no moving parts and a low power requirement. As zeb crs stated, you see a huge power drain on your tablet when trying to use an external hard drive without its own power source.

have anyone tried to insert a san disk SDXC 64G SD card into the tablet?

flss01001 said:
have anyone tried to insert a san disk SDXC 64G SD card into the tablet?
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XC is not supported . just HC

Skateddy from the Lenovo forums got a Komputerbay 64GB SDXC Class 10 card to work properly: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/Max-SD-size/td-p/524571

Moved to Thinkpad General
No questions in the development section please. Once sorted out feel free to post a [Tutorial] thread. That can go in the dev section.
Take it easy
O_G

Just to share that yesterday, after waiting +/- more than 1m, my TPT has recognize an external 1TB HD formated in FAT32
Good news for travelers, right?!

Update 2
Drive Mount
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=drive+mount&c=apps
For those who have root this app even mounts nfts!
Hope you find this use full.
Cheers,
Paulo

[Q] Hard Drives & MicroSD

1. What format does the drive need to be to be read by the MOJO?
At the time of this writing: Hard drives need to be NTSC. They are mounted as READ ONLY, so you will not be able to save files. Bummer.
2. Same question, except for a 64GB MicroSDXC format...?
At the time of this writing: microSD must be formatted as FAT32 with 32K cluster size. They need to be set as a PRIMARY drive rather than LOGICAL.

1. NTFS or FAT32 usb 2.0 HDs work. I've tried USB 3.0 HDs and so far those haven't worked
2. I havn't tested a 64gig micro sd but most Android devices only recognize up to 32GB sd cards.

I've got a 64GB in my A700 and it works fine as FAT32. The CM ROMS have issue with it, however. Also, according to the MadCatz website: "For those of you who need more, there’s a microSD flash slot to accommodate SDXC cards up to 128GB!"
What format is your MicroSD?

ExtremeRyno said:
I've got a 64GB in my A700 and it works fine as FAT32. The CM ROMS have issue with it, however. Also, according to the MadCatz website: "For those of you who need more, there’s a microSD flash slot to accommodate SDXC cards up to 128GB!"
What format is your MicroSD?
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I'm using a 64gb micro sd, format FAT. Works great.

Try exFat. It's the "standard" format for SDXC type cards and unlike Fat32 you're not limited to files less than 4 gigs in size. It's the format i use on my Galaxy Note 10.1 (last year's model). It should come in exFat anyway.
Or the simplest solution would be to rip open the packaging, stick it in the MOJO and if it tells you it needs to be formatted format it. That way it's in whatever format the MOJO prefers and your pc/laptop in all likelihood will recognise the format.
Also I'm guessing you're just going to leave it in there most of the time. To avoid card readers and sync cables I normally use FTPServer on my phone and tablet and the filezilla client on the pc, and to transfer stuff to the network drive I use the android ftp client andftp (there are file explorers like ES Explorer which can handle samba connections and FTP connections but I find they're a bit slower).
Avoid NTFS on flash media. From what I've been told it uses too many read/writes which isbad for flash media due to their limited write cycles.

Yeah, I didn't even think about formatting until after I had loaded my card down with movies and music and games....exFat = Nope.
Found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48943761&postcount=5
FAT32.
Time to backup and reformat.

ExtremeRyno said:
Yeah, I didn't even think about formatting until after I had loaded my card down with movies and music and games....exFat = Nope.
Found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48943761&postcount=5
FAT32.
Time to backup and reformat.
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No ExFat support? Wow. Mad Catz put NO effort into the software of this device, did they. Just using the stock OS without bothering to add in bluetooth 4.0 support and just throwing in a dongle to compensate (various phone providers, i.e. HTC have a history of providing a better than stock bluetooth stack), no camera support, no exFat support (this just makes them cheapskates since they just needed to license it crom Microsoft like the phone makers that provide it on their phones and tablets).
I still have time to decide. I was planning on buying it on amazon, sending it to a friend and then having them bring it when they visited in order to avoid the overpriced shipping and import fees but I'm starting to think I'd be better off with a cheap quadcore A15 device with an SoC like the A80 from allwinner and a Moga controller. It would be cheaper, have better play store support and be more versatile from what I'm reading on here...
Considering how little effort they've put into the software I wouldn't be surprised if they never got around to the KitKat upgrade. Companies who put more effort into the OS often fail whdn it comes to promised upgrades. And if Mad Catz never upgrades the OS it means users are limited to just ONE USB port which seriously cuts dow on usability.

Wait, are you saying you can only use one usb port at a time because of the OS version?

jjprichards said:
Wait, are you saying you can only use one usb port at a time because of the OS version?
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yes beacause if there's no update to kitkat the BT smart dongle is in one already and will have to stay there.
I think it will come out, they have said it would a few times now. so just a matter of when.
yip I tested mine, no exFat support... a bit of a shame

Buy an USB Hub.
You can use hdd with ntfs should be much better then exfat.
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jjprichards said:
Wait, are you saying you can only use one usb port at a time because of the OS version?
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At this time- the controller requires a dongle which takes up one of the usb slots.
You are left with the micro SD slot and the usb 3.0 slot.
When the Kitkat update arrives, you will be able to remove the dongle and have the usb 2.0 slot available.
The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update.
The point of mojo is to do everything via bluetooth and wifi.
That's the beauty of the machine.

Mojorising said:
At this time- the controller requires a dongle which takes up one of the usb slots.
You are left with the micro SD slot and the usb 3.0 slot.
When the Kitkat update arrives, you will be able to remove the dongle and have the usb 2.0 slot available.
The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update.
The point of mojo is to do everything via bluetooth and wifi.
That's the beauty of the machine.
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What do you mean by "The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update. "?

jjprichards said:
What do you mean by "The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update. "?
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Why use a usb to transfer data when you can pull data/stream data from your pc?

saenta said:
Buy an USB Hub.
You can use hdd with ntfs should be much better then exfat.
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Mojorising said:
At this time- the controller requires a dongle which takes up one of the usb slots.
You are left with the micro SD slot and the usb 3.0 slot.
When the Kitkat update arrives, you will be able to remove the dongle and have the usb 2.0 slot available.
The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update.
The point of mojo is to do everything via bluetooth and wifi.
That's the beauty of the machine.
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First of all, the point is that you're not getting the functionality promised. You are told that it's a micro-console with TWO usb ports and you can either give up the controller, or give up a usb port. Secondly a usb hub can be an okay solution but you then have to worry about getting a normal one or a powered one and how much it will affect throughput splitting it up depending on what devices you have attached. And as is others here have reported problems in using both USB drives simultaneously (and that some drives work better in one than the other).
Yes, streaming is good, you can actually use it right now if you´re just talking about transferring files, but if you're told you'll get two USB ports you should GET two functional and available usb ports.
KitKat upgrade. They've mentioned it, but don't think there's actually an official announcement. Plus they could have had that functionality there since the beginning. Smartphone and tablet makers add/take away functionality from Android and its Kernel. Heck, people HERE do it all the time. So why can't Mad Catz. And how long exactly do people have to wait for the upgrade? As the saying goes, buy a device for what it can do today, not what it can do tomorrow. Manufacturers often don't come through on promised upgrades.
Also to say that you/they support SDXC without a disclaimer saying that you can't use exFat is fraudulent as exFat is STANDARD on SDXC. If they made all this clear from the beginning it wouldn't be so bad but they don't and as such mislead their (potential) clients. Who cares about friendly and speedy support if they can't actually solve the issues present?

I would use the USB to hold a thumb drive full of data like the ISOs I've ripped from my GameCube and PSX for emulation. (Trying to get my wife to give up the Wii to our son when the Android port of Dolphin reaches maturity).

Formatted my card as FAT32, loaded it down, NO LUCK.
Tried the card in two computers and it shows up as FAT32 with all files intact. I'm on my A700 right now, popped it in, and it is working just fine.
There really needs to be a reboot option on the MOJO...Yes, I rebooted..no luck. Causes FC from settings when I try to see my storage.
Thoughts?

ExtremeRyno said:
Formatted my card as FAT32, loaded it down, NO LUCK.
Tried the card in two computers and it shows up as FAT32 with all files intact. I'm on my A700 right now, popped it in, and it is working just fine.
There really needs to be a reboot option on the MOJO...Yes, I rebooted..no luck. Causes FC from settings when I try to see my storage.
Thoughts?
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Are getting any message when you stick it in?

solsearch said:
Are getting any message when you stick it in?
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When you put the USB in, do you see it say, preparing USB in the top left?
You then have to go to your mojo settings, storage, and 'mount USB'.
It will. Then show up.
To unmount, go to settings, storage, unmount.
Working now?

solsearch said:
Are getting any message when you stick it in?
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Nothing.
When it was formatted as exFAT, I could at least get to the storage options...just wouldn't mount.

I'm trying an extHD to connect.
First try 1 partition 1TB NTFS - recognized and mounted without problems on USB 3.0 port. (but NTFS don't work on my LG G2)
2nd try 4 partitions 1,2,3,4, extFat 256GB recognized, but can't mount. (but works fine on LG G2)
3rd try 4 partitions 1 NTFS, 2,3 extFat and 4 NTFS - don't work
4rd try 1 partition 1TB extFat - can't mount.
So, I let this thing NTFS formatted now. :silly:
If the M.O.J.O could be rooted, we could use tools to mount ALL formats and ALL partitions.
Solution for my rooted LG G2 was simple. " Paragon NTFS & HFS+ " is a free tool in Play Store.
NTFS is r/w now on my smartphone and r/o on the Mojo.

How to run Fire TV apps from an External USB Drive

After trying a whole bunch of methods, here is the best way I've found to free up internal storage by moving apps to an external drive.
Complete step-by-step Guide with screenshots
tl;dr version:
1. Mount the drive with StickMount
2. Move the files and "trick" the Fire TV with FolderMount

does this work with XBMC?
those thumbnails are filling up the internal memory really fast

..

jadflat said:
does this work with XBMC?
those thumbnails are filling up the internal memory really fast
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Yes, you can move XBMC's data with this method. But since XBMC is so customizable, modifying advancedsettings.xml like JJ-KwiK suggests is a better option.

awesome, thank you!

Sweet! Thanks for the guide.

So this guide will let you run apps from an external?? Sweet i need to buy a new one lol.. Thanks
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XBMC
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Yes, you can move XBMC's data with this method. But since XBMC is so customizable, modifying advancedsettings.xml like JJ-KwiK suggests is a better option.
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xbmc run well from external drive

Hi Guys
Just need some input w.r.t. flash drives and external drives.
What is the biggest size flash drive or external drive we can use on the AFTV?
Fat32 or NTFS file system?
Do you need a powered multi usb device to make the external drive work?
Must you use a powered external drive to make it work in the fire tv?
Hope someone can clear it up.
I connected a non powered multi usb device on the fire tv. the Rii keyboard with bluetooth usb and my 4gb flash both worked on it, but my 1.5TB 2.5" does not want to pick it up.

Stevie G said:
Hi Guys
Just need some input w.r.t. flash drives and external drives.
What is the biggest size flash drive or external drive we can use on the AFTV?
Fat32 or NTFS file system?
Do you need a powered multi usb device to make the external drive work?
Must you use a powered external drive to make it work in the fire tv?
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I'm using a 32GB USB Flash Drive and it works. It's NTFS. Spinning disk must be powered externally for both 2.5" or 3.5".
External SSD might work unpowered....I don't have a drive to test this theory.

roligov said:
I'm using a 32GB USB Flash Drive and it works. It's NTFS. Spinning disk must be powered externally for both 2.5" or 3.5".
External SSD might work unpowered....I don't have a drive to test this theory.
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I have two Toshiba 5400 RPM Canvio that are unpowered 2.5 and work fine, and a Seagate 500MB 2.5 in a cheapie external USB case that works fine as well.

Yeah I don't understand I've just found my Verbatim USB 3 external 2.5" works but my transcend external 2.5" doesn't. Both are the same size and both are NTFS. I checked and they both work on my PC. Guess it's luck of the draw for 2.5". I can't get an external 3.5" to work...Anyone else?

roligov said:
Yeah I don't understand I've just found my Verbatim USB 3 external 2.5" works but my transcend external 2.5" doesn't. Both are the same size and both are NTFS. I checked and they both work on my PC. Guess it's luck of the draw for 2.5". I can't get an external 3.5" to work...Anyone else?
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3.5 inch should be 12V so they would need an external power supply. As far as not seeing a powered 3.5 it could be one of a hundred different issues.

roligov said:
Yeah I don't understand I've just found my Verbatim USB 3 external 2.5" works but my transcend external 2.5" doesn't. Both are the same size and both are NTFS. I checked and they both work on my PC. Guess it's luck of the draw for 2.5". I can't get an external 3.5" to work...Anyone else?
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My 2TB 3.5" external works with a 12v power.

External Harddrive 3TB, 3.5" formatted as NTFS works fine for me.
Different sorts of USB stick's up to 32MB formatted as fat32 or NTFS gave me no trouble either.

Images gone after moving Thumbernails to USB stick
Hello,
I 'moved' the Thumbernails folder, using the advancedsettings.xml method. After a new scan run I see all the movie-descriptions, but I do no longer, see any images. They are just not shown..
Any idea, whats going wrong ? I'm really new to XBMC
edit:
After the scan, I deleted the whole content in Andtroid/.../userdata/Thumbernails. The folder itself is still there.
(6GB usb stick/NTFS)
edit2: solution found!
xbmc: System->File Manager->Profile directory->Database delete the Textures13.db and restart the xbmc.
All thumbnails are displayed again!

I tried this method with NFSMW which is approx 4gb after updating and it copied everything over the my usb BUT when i mount it the game says my usb storage device has no room for an update -_- (even though the directory copied is the most up to date version and capacity is 16gb) also, this method does nothing to free up space on the FTV. I had to go in manually to my android/data folder and remove the directory to free up space myself. Might want to add that to the description.

alwaysbless said:
...also, this method does nothing to free up space on the FTV. I had to go in manually to my android/data folder and remove the directory to free up space myself. Might want to add that to the description.
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You are mistaken or did something wrong. FolderMount moves the files AND deletes the originals. If the files are set as "mounted" in FolderMount, it will appear as if they are still on the Fire TV. Meaning, if you "ls" the original directory in /sdcard/, you will see all the original files. However, the files are not actually on the Fire TV. To verify this for yourself, go to Settings > About to see your available free space before and after following my directions. You will see your free space increase.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2709637
this url states that USB harddrive is not possible.
then how are you guys making it possible ?
must the fire tv be rooted ? before this feature is possible.
i think this is an important topic. as the device is now rooted, alot users would download apps, and they would need the space.
I would like to use USB harddrive with my XBMC.
please advice.
Thanks a lot.

nero16 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2709637
this url states that USB harddrive is not possible.
then how are you guys making it possible ?
must the fire tv be rooted ? before this feature is possible.
i think this is an important topic. as the device is now rooted, alot users would download apps, and they would need the space.
I would like to use USB harddrive with my XBMC.
please advice.
Thanks a lot.
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That link was before we had root.
With root and StickMount both USB drives and Thumbdrives work great

Samsung 128GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive Fit for FLAC music, does it works on the HU?

I want to carry my FLAC music library on the car, and was wondering if the 128GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive Fit from Samsung would work on android Head Units with 4.4.4, or do I need a Lollipop Head Unit?, or maybe a special format for the drive?
This is the USB drive:
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-128GB...34&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=samsun+usb+3.0+128gb
This one doesnt heat up like the new sandisk 3.0 Ultra Fit
has anyone tried something bigger than 64GB?
what would you recommend for the format of the drive?
Thanks

I've connected an external USB 2.5" rack with an Intel 80GB SSD drive , and it works flawlessly. (my HU is Generic 4.1.1)

staticx1 said:
I've connected an external USB 2.5" rack with an Intel 80GB SSD drive , and it works flawlessly. (my HU is Generic 4.1.1)
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Thanks staticx1!!!
one other thing, what formaat are you using? FAT32, exFAT, NTFS?
Again, Thanks

I'm using FAT32, I don't think it will support NTFS, and there's no option to format the SSD as exFat.
it's working...so no complaints

staticx1 said:
I'm using FAT32, I don't think it will support NTFS, and there's no option to format the SSD as exFat.
it's working...so no complaints
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Thanks!
Im gonna get the 128GB USB then