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here in canada as many already knows data plans prices are off the roof. However, they recently came out with a $30 for 6g data plan which i find reasonable for canada. (since the land lines internet has a cap itself then wireless is hard not to have cap) but the only problem is, unlike the flex data plans, they claim that this data plan will not work with pc cards, so that does mean it wouldnt work with the htc shift? on the other hand, this same plan will for sure work for windows mobile. so my question is, is there a way to use vista's side wireless data making the computer think that its hooked up with a modem which will be the windows mobile side?
That is the beauty with the shift. If it works in a pda phone, it should work in the shift. I also have a data card that is supposed to be used with a pda phone but i use it in my shift. The vista side basically taps into the WM side and borrows the data connection from the phone. That is also why SMS and other "phone like" features work on the shift.
The short anser is yes, it should work just fine.
o wow, thats great to hear, o basicly you're saying shift uses the hspa network through the wm side without needing to link it up ourselves. so unlike other umpc, we wouldnt need a pc card data plan to work, as long as it works for wm then shift will run just fine. but disreguard of all the good news, canada still sucks with the capping.
data plans
are you able to get 6 GB data plan from Rogers and use it on shift?
I have a Shift and use PDA Net to connect to Telus
for $30 I would consider a Rogers connection
Even better would to use wife; on snapview
yes, you should be able to use the 6gb data plan from rogers on the shift. According to x5-rwk, the vista side of shift uses the wm side as a modem for hspa meaning rogers will assume that u're using the data for windows mobile which is allowed. Moreover, I have also comfirmed with some rogers rep that the data plan works for ALL devices expect pc cards. but i guess as long as okay on windows mobile, we're good to go
Rogers Data
Thank You for the update.
The final question. what about voice, do you need a voice plan to get 6GB data plan?
I have HTC Touch on Telus and have unlimited data for $15 and voice plan, I would not want a Rogers voice plan as well.
Any suggestions?
Thank You
Dave
No you do not need to get a voice plan with it. As since Shift doesn't have voice calling and the fact that rogers launched the shift already themselves. however, i am still unclear on if there will be a $10 fee per month to maintain the account. That fee is meanly for people who wants to open a plan with nothing, no minutes or price plan. However, as since the 6gb data is an option, the $10 fee may apply. Too bad you can't use your telus phone to hook up to the shift and use it as a modem since the $15 is limited. What you want to get is a lot like what i want to get too. So I've been looking at the price plans for a while thinking about it.
Currently I'm with fido (which luckily has the same data plans as rogers). After being in a contract with them for 3 years and loyal customer for 4, they said they can knock $10 off my plan. But since the shift can't have voice, i'm looking into getting the iphone to run it as a modem, sounds stupid and all but best i can do with a small buget. Or another thought would be to get a cheap family plan, for fido, all the family minutes is sheared (rogers has pool of minutes + each line's own) so if you add data plan for shift on one line and the other line only for voice, that works cuz you'll have too much minutes to use from a pool of family minutes into one line. Lol So i'll advice on waiting if you can. The offer for 6gb will be up till end of aug thus theres a high chance of back to school offers will be launch mean while. moreover, i'll try to stay in touch with my buddy who works at rogers see what kind of under table offeres he can give me.
ps: in case you're wondering, the 6gb data option does not allow data pooling which sucks.
Roger Data
Thank You for the update.
When Rogers announced the new data plans, I went to a Rogers store, they told me I could not use 6GB plan on Shift.
I sounds like I need to be vague with Rogers when signing up for plan so they think I am using on unlocked windows mobile device.
Did you advise Roger your intention to use data for Shift?
Can I get 6GB plan for unlocked phone?
As for the Telus and using Touch as modem, I can and haved used it to connect, I do not think the Snapview side can use the Touch as modem.
I do have to be careful, tethering is not included in data plan, I have to use PDAnet to get under the radar screen.
If Apple offers the ability to use iPhone 3G as modem, that would be excellent for you, I am still guessing you will need additional solution for Snapview side of Shift (can you remove SIM from iPhone as install in Shift, that would be ideal for you)
I also have AT&T Pay as you Go for US, unlimited data for 30 days for $20, I activate when I travel to US.
Thank You
Dave
PS: If you move to Telus, they have Touch Diamond coming, you can use PDAnet and tether for unlimited data for better deal!!!!
called Rogers
I called Rogers to ask about data plan.
After being on hold and transferred numerous times, I was advised I needed a voice plan to get the $30 data plan.
Cheepjing, if you have any further information as to how to get the $30 data plan even if I have to pay an extra $10, I would be very appreciative of the assistance.
Dave
I have thought about switching to telus many times. Mainly since they have the thought of adding GSM before the olympics in canada. Too bad nothing have been comfirmed yet and I know its a fact its gonna cost them way too much to do so. Maybe Kodoo is making them enough for that plan, who knows. lol. But anyways.
Back to the point of rogers. Most of the agents on the phone are not well trained. I can bet 90% of people on this site who lives in canada knows more than most of the reps they have at the call center. I'm sure the agent advised you to get a voice plan cuz of two main reasons. 1: he/she has no freaken clue on why or what you want. 2: after asking his/her manager, they were advised to just sign you up for something and maybe they'll get a sale too! So far, i'm almost 100% sure you can just open a line with rogers for $10 with no voice and just add the 6gb option. Just the matter of the sales you talk to if he/she is dying for a sale or not then most likely they'll just force you into something you don't want. Thus, my advise would be, just wait for a few weeks if you can. Mean while, i'll ask the other rogers reps i know. Just to give you heads up, most likely i'll find a chinese sales since those are the only ones i know. lol. I'm going to wait till aug before i ask for some rogers plans for the end of summer cuz even if i ask know they know very little. But as back to school comes closer, more info will be release.
now side track a bit, damn i wish that rogers/fido offers two sim in one number or something. If there are anyone here who has or knows people who can do that let me know! I guess my best chance is still family plan, gotta somehow think of a way to bypass their system a bit.
Moreover, rumors says rogers maybe launching the touch pro or diamond.
Cut Off Date 6GB
Hi Cheapjing,
Thank You
Is the cut off date for 6GB plan end of Aug or Aug 6th?
Dave
the offer stops end of aug. mind if i ask where u get aug 6th from?
Aug6th
I thought I read it in Toronto Star somewhere, I am wrong.
Dave
hey, just comfirmed with fido that offer ends aug 31st. also, i'd also asked about not getting voice but data only plan from them (since rogers and fido offers the same data plans now) they told me that u can get a base plan of $15 which includes system access fee (6.95) and 911 fee (50cents) and then add on a 6gb option on top of that. catch is, it must be on a three year contract good and i'm not too too sure if u'll be able to get that as a new costumer but then again, it wouldnt be too too hard to get a frd whos with fido to open a new line in the same account for that plan and then transfer that line to ur name one or two months down the road. also, this plan cannot be purchases at any retail store, u'll have to call rentention department for that. good news is, since u'll be signing a 3 year contract for that, might as well get an iphone 3g for the 3 year contract price and resell it back out, or gift it, or use it as a mouse for your shift! lmao. choice is your's, i'll sure let you know on any updates with going around the data plans.
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I will call Fido and ask for retention dept. I will likely wait until middle of Aug, I am waiting for Telus to release EVDO Rev A update for HTC Touch.
My issues are simple:
Is $45/month worth it to have SIM Card in Shift vs the 3 min it takes to connect Touch via PDAnet and use as modem, this is as long as Telus does not charge me for tethering.
Telus has the HTC Touch Diamond coming out, would I rather pay upgrade for Touch Diamond or purchase iPhone
with DAVE and Globalive winning spectrum, when will Rogers/Fido lower their data prices, if I am locked into a 3 year contract with Fido, will they lower prices for existing contracts when other GSM carriers enter market?
One other thing I have is once I liberate Shift, there is a way to use Wifi with Snapview (need Vista on/battery drain)
Since I have the Touch, it provides me all the Windows Mobile capabilities I need in Canada and I use Snapview in US with AT&T MediaNet service @ $20/month for unlimited data (I can add feature when needed, based on having pre paid plan with AT&T).
I am leaning towards not moving on the Fido plan for the above reasons, if it was $30 and only system access fee and not a long term contract or if Fido/Rogers offered data on pre-paid plans I would consider.
I also have to consider my past experience with Rogers, they truly suck at customer service, I understand Fido is pretty good, however, I am not sure if I want to contribute to the 300 plus million profit Rogers earned. I also have friends who have contracts with Rogers that Rogers lied/changed.
i fully understand what you're worried about. However, like you said with Globalive winning a high amount (while in the end it was still rogers who took the most spending just under 1billion) thinking deeper into it, yes, they should drop their prices. But once again, after spending that amount of money how much are they willing to drop prices by? nevertheless, they already knew that they were gonna blow 1billion away before where as i'm sure that was one of the main reason to wanting to launch the iphone with choppy data plans. and with new companies coming in, yes they will drop the price, but on data? highly unlikely. if a new company was to come into the three way battle, its hard for them to start up with both voice and data. personally, i love fido. though rogers is kind of effecting fido's customer's services, in the end, they are still the best i've had out of so many other places i called for help.
Either ways, personally, i would go on with what u had in mind as long as telus does not charge u extra. reason being, the longer you stay with a company and then call to have upgrades, the better deals you'll get. i've been with fido for 4 years now with two lines. my main line's price went from $50+ (150day, unlimited eve, fido-rogers free +plus all the junk) now it went down to $28 after tax with everything i need and a little bit more. took me a while to get a deal like that, were as i'm sure telus can do the same since i've heard some frds of mine who's been with telus for long and now have really really cheap plans. but in the end, that is all about the voice plans. in order for us to afford fair data plans, we'll need cheap voice. in the end, rogers should go right into the trash can unless you get ur plans for like $10 from your work place and or able to retention a $15 plan where i've seen happening but its one of those dont try it urself risks. luckily fido started having data plans. (i'm a apple hater somewhat) but it was all because of them thats why now we have cheaper plans so, good stuff. lol
if you ask me, is paying $45 for 6 gb on shift worth it, my answer is no. unless you're always on the go online, which cannot happen since shift has short battery life. other options includes investing a little on the side. you've heard of the unplugged dsl, right? offered by both rogers and bell. that could work in the car too (as i heard) costing almost the same price with 4 more gb of data but, limited to when u're near a power supply. on the side, you can always use your touch to modem up with ur shift. but in the end, will rogers drop the hspa data prices? i'll recommand not to have hopes up though in canada people knows how to complain, but they have no clue what they were complaining about to begin with. wait till mid aug and see, we still have some time.
on the side note, if only the us cdma shift can make it work here with telus or bell. if so, i'll really think about it. maybe i should read up on that. ha
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Hi,
I agree with you 100% on almost everything.
I may call Fido to see if they can cut me a deal for the 6GB plan for convenience, I would be willing to pay around $40, for Fido, they get a brand new customer for 3 years.
BTW, I have a friend who used to work at Rogers as a executive, he told me Rogers rapes their customers on long distance (they use their own backhaul network to carry voice), LD calls cost Rogers same as local calls.
Rogers screws their customers on data because if you have GSM device, you have only one choice.
On the subject of CDMA Shift, Bell and Telus will not allow any ESN (Electronic Serial Numbers) that they do not sell on their networks.
I do think you will see competition on data from Globalive, maybe Quebecor and maybe DAVE, the money backing Globalive has 70 million wireless users globally and have the better clout than Rogers with Erisson and handset manufacturers to build a network more cost effectively than Rogers. They can also use current technology like Dragonwave for backhaul or Wi-Max to lower their costs.
In the short term, they will have to sign roaming agreements with Rogers, however, they will be able to offer more affordable voice and data.
If these new entrants do not lower prices, Jim Prentice(Industry Canada) should be lynched.
Remember, the Canadian government allowed Rogers to purchase Fido, Rogers is just taking advantage of the cards that were delt.
Sounds like a plan to me. To be honest, they wouldn't be cutting the cost ON the data plan itself. As contract with iPhone and the fact that data is all on rogers network. The rep told me that himself. However, that all just means not to pitch them that way. They do have $10 plan with no minutes, you may be able to pull it off IF u already have a relation with them. Nevertheless, give it a shot. The $10 plan i was told that was ONLY for people who paused their accounts (though most of the time that $10 is a CR for max of a year) Also, like i said before, $15 plan does include the SAF fee. Come to think about it, you might just be able to pull it off. They might ask you to sign contract for 2 or 3 years giving you a $5cr for the contract term and give u the $15 plan. Moreover, if they still hard push you to the full $15, just be like, "I'm signing a contract WITHOUT taking a phone" so that itself is a $75cr.
Yes, rogers are sons of scammers. I guess thats why they offer so many rogers to rogers accross canada. If you were to go with fido, i highly recommand to do it before fido becomes more n more like rogers (as i see them going that path). Well, fast i don't mean like within days, more like within a year.
I do see strong advancments with Yak. But honestly, i highly doubt thats going to happen anytime soon. With Kodoo (from telus) entering this year bombing the lower class market like mad, it makes it harder. I'm sure they can pull it off. How, i will not question yet since most likely they going to blow us with some surprises (but to me those surprises does not worth the chance of not being able to sign a 6gb deal on HSPA network). I look forward in the upcoming battle.
BUT with all aside, we should just take most advantage out from what we have now. Only god knows how long we'll have to wait till canadian data prices drops. Good luck with Fido! I'll keep you updated if i found out any more info.
WooHoo
According to Fido customer service, I can get plan for $30/month plus $7.95 access fee.
Wooo Hoo
Dave
Holy good stuff! Might as well strike for unlimited text! Since shift works with that. Also, just have the agent confirm that the $30 data plan does come with unlimited emails as i've been told so. Just tell them its for a Windows Mobile device, they don't need that much details, it'll just confuse them. Btw, SAF is only 6.95, if they are charging u 7.95 i honestly wouldn't complain.
So I'm interested in the Motorola Atrix 4G from AT&T but their plans are expensive. I can get the almost the same plan from T-Mobile for $15 less a month though I don't like their Android phones.
Nation 450 w/Rollover® Minutes - $39.99
DataPlus 200MB for HSPA+/4G Smartphones - $15.00
Unlimited Messaging with Mobile to Any Mobile Calling - $20.00
Comes out to $75 a month, T-Mobile has basically the same plan here for only $60 a month. I already have my home phone and my TV through AT&T and have been a customer with them for almost 5 years. Would AT&T discount me at all for having, home, cell, and TV with them? Also would they compete with Costco for the price of the phone ($200 at AT&T, $120 at Costco).
Thanks to everyone for the help!
from my experience with att that would be a no. however can always give it a shot. talk to sales not customer service though.
i had an at&t store tell me the other day they wldnt sell a smartphone off contract it really varies from one person to the next at at&t u can ask one person and they will say no move over 2 feet to the next person and they say yes so good luck just ask more than one person at at&t likely to get a yes
Don't get your hopes up. It isn't likely. I am a 20+ year customer, and the person on the other end just humphs at that. No, they don't care about customer loyalty at all. I went for a captivate in nov and wanted to stick with my unlimited plan. No way, forced me to take the plan( without telling me). I backed out, gave them the phone back, and reverted to my old plan. They would not give me the old unlimited plan back, and at that time only thing they were doing was the 2gb max + $10 for the next gig for overage. I told them to forget it, I was gonna switch to a competitor and they said ok. I thought that was real crappy. My phone was hurting and I needed to move, so I went with the Atrix last week. I regret my decision already, and can't give them the phone back without a 35% restock fee, per the in store salesrep.
Plus keep in mind that they deny throttling service on non-Iphone "4g". Liars.
It varies on who you talk to IMHO. You might get lucky with a CS rep if you tell them you already have service with AT&T. Like I said YMMV. Good luck
Hello. I just felt the need to respond to this. I am a market manager for an authorized retailer of AT&T. I have five stores under my guidance. Yes, you can receive a discount because you have your home services with AT&T. To be quite honest though, it is not a steep discount, but it is a discount. If you combine the wireless and home services on the same bill, you will get a discount of $5 off each service. Also, depending on who you work for, you may be eligible for a discount as well off your rate plan, data plan and texting. For example...Bank of America employees receive 15% off of the primary line's rate plan, texting and data.
As for the cost of the phone, unfortunately no, the store you are dealing with will not match the $120 price for the Atrix. What I will caution you on is when dealing with purchasing a device outside of an AT&T store or the att.com site, you may (and I say may) end up with some weird things happening to your account. Also, be careful there is no fine print. For example...if you buy an AT&T phone on amazon.com and it is only an individual line...if you decide later you need a second line and try to do a family plan, well that doesn't fly with amazon.com. They will charge you an early termination fee because you got the phone at a much lower price through amazon.com then you would have at a store. Strange I know, but that's why I always give people this anology...would you go to a cell phone store to buy a car??? Then why go to somewhere that does not specialize in cellphones to buy one??? Just experience talking in this matter.
I will chime in on this post as well. The person you dealt with that took away your unlimited data was dead wrong. All the reps that work for me will tell you and have done it...if someone has unlimited data prior to the change last year and does an upgrade, there is the option to keep it. I take that as poor training from that reps manager. When we are going through our system to complete the upgrade, it will automatically try to change the unlimited $30 data to the 2gb $25 data. However, the rep has to hit "modify features" button and it gives them all the data plans. If the current plan has unlimited data, the unlimited data option appears. If the current plan does not have unlimited data, the option will not be present.
I'm glad to be a college student. My bill is like 83 dollars with tax and all now with the student discount they have. Its basically 15% off of the monthly bill.
it's really swell that the reps say no it would not happen with them, I appreciate that you feel that way, so did the people I dealt as they really tried to put the unlimited plan back. It wasn't them, it was corporate crap. None of them could get it to come back up as an "option" when returning the phone and asking to be put back just like i was before the transaction. I talked to two reps online and then one at the B&M store. They were all miffed also, but the fact of the matter is AT&T burned me, and 20+ years didn't mean sqwat. I have to stop now, or I'll start with them crippling capabilities on the phone, or throttling data when you exceed their threshold, or...
I was planing to switch to Virgin mobile to get a Galaxy S2 on a $55/mo promo 10 plan , but when I heard of the frickin stupid $400 cancelation fee . A month later I notice that I was overpaying $7/mo for early evening(which was already in the package)for 10 months, this IOU would've been a perfect ticket for free cancelation . But the damn manager said that "this isn't a reason for sudden customer resignation". WHAT A PISS OFF
please don't recommend rogers anybody!!!!!!
Every carrier has a cancellation fee like that when you get a deeply discounted phone, you think they'll let you walk away with an expensive phone without a penalty fee?
You should've known you still had a contract. For example, when did you get a new phone? Got a promotion plan? These will renew your contract.
Why don't you just wait for the galaxy s2 lte version to come out on Rogers. There's a $55 promotion plan you can switch to on Rogers which should be comparable to the virgin mobile plan. You can still use that lte version on the regular 3g network.
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I wanted to switch to bell to get this phone. The plan was better and it was $20/month cheaper so I called rogers and I was told upfront there would be a $475 cancellation fee with rogers since I had 23 months left on the contract. I complained about poor reception and dead spots. They knocked it down to $300, so I said ok cancel me. He put me on hold and came back and said he waived the fee and it will be cancelled in 30 days.
Since I did that a friend of mine did the same thing and got it waived also.
It's worth a shot
what people dont get is that there is no better plans. everybody has the SAME PLAN !! this is how the market works, actually this is how every market works. and why do people complain about cancelation fee?? you dont like that fee? dont sign the contract ! you think they are just gonna give you a $500 dollars phone and charge you $100 dollars to cancel it? 80% of the people signing a contract without even asking how much is the cancelation fee, and everybody complains about it. thank god this country has high tax rate !!
I am not happy about my experience with Rogers. They could not fix my data access issue for 3 months! Kept charging me for the data plan and charged me a cancellation fee. I do not know if I would won a case in the court - I do not have time for that. There must be a simple legal process protecting consumers from that! I do not know if other companies are any better but I would also advice keep away from Rogers!
BTW, plans and service levels are different at the different companies.
peachpuff said:
Every carrier has a cancellation fee like that when you get a deeply discounted phone, you think they'll let you walk away with an expensive phone without a penalty fee?
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There are limits to that, the law says it (in Quebec):
http://www.thewirereport.ca/reports..._be_passed_on_to_wireless_customers_cwta_says
I think we should educate people about prepaid service and how much money they will save when switching over. People seem to just hop on a contract, thinking it's the only way to have cell service, when that's just not true.
Virgin mobile has a good comparison chart here. Their service uses sprint's network and costs a fraction of what Sprint's service costs. (Sure, Virgin doesn't roam on verizon like sprint does, but if you're covered by sprint without roaming, you're fine. The coverage is better than you'd think for VM).
Beyond Virgin Mobile, you have, in my opinion, one of the best deals around: Straight Talk's Bring Your Own Phone program. You can get a sim card for either AT&T's or T-Mobile's network and simply put it into any phone you like. $45/month = unlimited everything + no contracts. I am using their AT&T sim right now in my galaxy nexus and have so far been really impressed at their service.
So can someone who has a contract explain what the logic behind signing is? It just seems like you're pissing your money away.
xxBrun0xx said:
I think we should educate people about prepaid service and how much money they will save when switching over. People seem to just hop on a contract, thinking it's the only way to have cell service, when that's just not true.
Virgin mobile has a good comparison chart here. Their service uses sprint's network and costs a fraction of what Sprint's service costs. (Sure, Virgin doesn't roam on verizon like sprint does, but if you're covered by sprint without roaming, you're fine. The coverage is better than you'd think for VM).
Beyond Virgin Mobile, you have, in my opinion, one of the best deals around: Straight Talk's Bring Your Own Phone program. You can get a sim card for either AT&T's or T-Mobile's network and simply put it into any phone you like. $45/month = unlimited everything + no contracts. I am using their AT&T sim right now in my galaxy nexus and have so far been really impressed at their service.
So can someone who has a contract explain what the logic behind signing is? It just seems like you're pissing your money away.
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If you posted this a few months back, I would already change my mind .
Too late, but learning.
But there is one thing that I always have a glitch in mind though, that is the "unlimited data" advertised by ST or the alike, is it REALLY unlimited data like one tied to contract? or just a so-called MOBILE WEB, which is NOT 100% like we expect?
xxBrun0xx said:
I think we should educate people about prepaid service and how much money they will save when switching over. People seem to just hop on a contract, thinking it's the only way to have cell service, when that's just not true.
Virgin mobile has a good comparison chart here. Their service uses sprint's network and costs a fraction of what Sprint's service costs. (Sure, Virgin doesn't roam on verizon like sprint does, but if you're covered by sprint without roaming, you're fine. The coverage is better than you'd think for VM).
Beyond Virgin Mobile, you have, in my opinion, one of the best deals around: Straight Talk's Bring Your Own Phone program. You can get a sim card for either AT&T's or T-Mobile's network and simply put it into any phone you like. $45/month = unlimited everything + no contracts. I am using their AT&T sim right now in my galaxy nexus and have so far been really impressed at their service.
So can someone who has a contract explain what the logic behind signing is? It just seems like you're pissing your money away.
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There is also the T-Mobile/Walmart deal for $30/month if you don't talk a lot (100 voice, unlimited text, 5 GB of full speed data).
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xxBrun0xx said:
So can someone who has a contract explain what the logic behind signing is? It just seems like you're pissing your money away.
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-Most people cannot see savings long term - only that the subsidized price is cheaper.
-Roaming agreements - prepaid has none.
-U.S. carriers often limit prepaid options for phone/plans. (e.g. you cannot use phone X on plan Y).
-U.S. carriers (except T-Mobile) don't have reduced cost for postpaid, off-contract plans. Going off contract, postpaid with AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint means that you pay full retail price for the phone AND the same monthly price you would if you were on contract.
I am able to do with my phone whatever I want when I need to do it.
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-Most people cannot see savings long term - only that the subsidized price is cheaper.
-Roaming agreements - prepaid has none.
-U.S. carriers often limit prepaid options for phone/plans. (e.g. you cannot use phone X on plan Y).
-U.S. carriers (except T-Mobile) don't have reduced cost for postpaid, off-contract plans. Going off contract, postpaid with AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint means that you pay full retail price for the phone AND the same monthly price you would if you were on contract.
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- I agree, it's a shame so many people only look at the immediate savings
- Are you sure? I use ST and I roam on T-mobile when I don't have AT&T coverage
- I agree completely. They do with cdma phones. GSM, however, makes it very difficult to limit what phones your prepaid customers use
- True, but why go through a large provider when you can pay less for the same service by using one of their partners?
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I am able to do with my phone whatever I want when I need to do it.
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I also can do whatever I want when I need to do it, including switching phones and/or providers at no cost, and yet I pay a fraction of what you pay for otherwise identical service.
The postpaid pricing model just perplexes me. Prepaid should be more expensive because of the flexibility, yet it's that flexibility to switch that keeps prices competitive. Postpaid, on the other hand, gets to charge whatever it wants for service.
I don't know any more. WHY THE * did I do it WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok got that off my brain, now I have been "throttled" at 7.5GB. Verizon this meens war, with ICBMS or in my case the FCC, the BBB and when I can make a good set of videos the NEWS.
I am uploading my proof now and I had used 72GB with AT&T still could get 4-8 times more speed.
Verizon I played with the ball in your court, now you will be playing in mine and your not going to like it.
Point: Verizon you suck and you HAVE TO BE M.A.D to join them now. there 4G is garbage
moving on to pre paid: I am trying to get my dad to use ST , but really it would cost a bit more, becuase he use's Pre-paid allready. LOL
I can vouch for ST, fantastic service at a fair price.
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until you have to call their customer "service"
In fact, "service" departments associated with TracFone wireless (ie: TracFone, Net10, SafeLink, StraightTalk) are complete garbage. I used to sell lots of their prepaids and it was all nice and cheap till you need to contact them. Hopefully their IVR can help you because if you are transferred to a live representative, may god help you, because TracFoney won't.
That's why I have a contract, oh and insurance.
Actually, I agree with t the post above. I love having a cheap plan on an awesome phone but the customer service is horrible. Also, I have recently read horror stories about people getting kicked off of ST with no warning because they exceeded their monthly data limit. Not having a contract means you can leave any time, but also means your provider can change the rules or kick you out at any time. Apparently there are people on Verizon grandfathered into old unlimited data plans who use 70+ gb per month and have no repercussions. That's epic: D
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I have BOTH postpaid (family plan) contract service and THREE prepaid accts. (Two with T-Mobile and one with RedPocket)
I still prefer the customer service and the account level detail (online) with postpaid....
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With Rogers Canada: Paying $50 a month.
Unlimited Call / Text
6gb Data
My10 - 10 numbers free call text in North America.
Voice mail / Caller ID and all that jazz
And my GNex was subsidized. Paid 100$ for it. 3 year contract but each year I can get a new phone subsidized.
I am paying less for my plan and my phone than the no contract folks over the duration of my contract. I just know how to talk to the workers for deals, and discounts.
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Actually, I agree with t the post above. I love having a cheap plan on an awesome phone but the customer service is horrible. Also, I have recently read horror stories about people getting kicked off of ST with no warning because they exceeded their monthly data limit. Not having a contract means you can leave any time, but also means your provider can change the rules or kick you out at any time. Apparently there are people on Verizon grandfathered into old unlimited data plans who use 70+ gb per month and have no repercussions. That's epic: D
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Ya I'm on a grandfathered plan... that's the only reason I haven't switched.
$130.00 a month for a two line family plan
1400 minutes
unlimited 3G
Free text
Free roaming (even in Guam.... which I didn't know they still count as international...)
The vmail and every other thing that is pointless probably ..
Really isn't that bad for me.. honestly I would provably be paying close to this for less buying two prepaids.
I didn't have to pay anything for this phone when I first got it, I had the og Inc and it broke. Insurance gave me this one.. I'm already due for a full upgrade but I just love this thing.
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Actually, if you were on prepaid through even Verizon ($50/month), you'd have unlimited everything. However, were you to switch to Virgin Mobile, you would only pay $70 for 2 lines, however you would get 600 minutes/month, which is probably still more than enough for 2 people.
I'm a Navy recruiter. I use my personal phone more than the gov one.
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I didn't sign it. Hubby did while I was out of town so he could get his shiny new iPhone 4S even after I had spent literally hours on the phone with AT&T arguing over the PDA Connect Unlimited feature I had grandfathered on my Atrix. 6 months after I purchased the Atrix & Lapdock and had merrily been tethering & docking with absolutely no problems--AT&T decided they weren't going to honor my PDA Connect Unlimited feature any more and I absolutely must "upgrade" to their 4G data plans. WTF? Why wait until I'm 6 months into a contract to change it? And their excuse was that my now 6 months old Atrix wasn't "compatible" with my current data plan. Really? It works fine for me. Long story, short--they agreed to credit me for the remaining 18 months of my PDA Connect Unlimited feature & I agreed not to tether any more. Customer service is a concern? This is the same company that way back in the day actually told me that Free Call Forwarding doesn't mean we won't charge you for it--it just means you can do it all you want. Also the same company that tried to tell me that I absolutely had to upgrade my old Nokia (Charlie's Angels phone) to a GAIT phone because it was going to stop working. How long did those GAIT phones last? Not nearly as long as my Nokia. I can't speak for the other big US cell carriers but AT&T has the absolute worst customer service reps on the phone and franchise stores. The company store reps are much better but only enough to fix whatever the dingbats in corporate broke or tried to screw me out of. On June 24th--the first iPhone is going to Straight Talk. In November the second iPhone is going to whomever is the best deal at the time. Next year in May--the remaining iPhone and my Atrix will kiss AT&T good bye forever! As for insurance--try Square Trade or Service Net or better yet--look at the freaking deductible AT&T is charging on cell phones. For my Atrix, they wanted to charge me $6 per month and should anything happen to my phone--I would have to pay $150 deductible. I bought the phone refurb for $99. Are they crazy? At one point--they wouldn't even offer insurance on smart phones.
Sorry to hear about that. There's a reason why major carriers are so much more profitable than small prepaid ones.
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I'm never going back to prepaid. Way too much money just for texting and calling.
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I'm never going back to prepaid. Way too much money just for texting and calling.
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Cant speak for dumb phones, but smart phones are so much cheaper on prepaid its unbelievable.
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I agree. Actually there are some good prepaid deals for just talk and text too. Smart Talk is 35. My smartphone plan is only 30 and if I used Sipdroid for talk over data I could have unlimited talk too but I only get EDGE until T-Mobile refarms 1900 HSPA in Wichita but there are some good deals if you just look around.
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Just saw a reddit post where you can basically sign up and get an LG V35 brand new for $149 as long as you "sign up for their service"...and I'd be more than willing to buy the phone along with an unlock code, and move it over to my T-Mobile family plan. My only worry is that because it's has Cricket's decrepit firmware installed on the device that T-Mo's features will not work (and I'm pretty sure they won't because it's not an actual T-Mobile branded device), but I figured I would just check in here to see if anyone has tried using the Cricket V35 on T-Mobile successfully with all of the extra bells and whistles T-Mo smartphones come with. I'm sure by now this is a dumb question, but I'd even go through the trouble of rooting this joker, FlashFire some random T-Mo firmware on to the phone, and see if I can get the extra features working. Please don't hate too much since it's such a good deal, but I had to ask the experts before I made a stupid move.
https://www.cricketwireless.com/cell-phones/smartphones/lg-v35-thinq-aurora-black.html
If it's cricket, it's at&t. Look up flashing from att firmware to ulm firmware. It's been done
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Actually, the cricket variant comes unlocked, so you don't need to flash it in order to use on T-Mobile. I believe I plugged in a mint mobile sim card and saw an option to enable WiFi calling. I could be wrong. I know for a fact, WiFi calling works fine on att prepaid for this device
galets said:
Actually, the cricket variant comes unlocked, so you don't need to flash it in order to use on T-Mobile.
I believe I plugged in a mint mobile sim card and saw an option to enable WiFi calling. I could be wrong. I know for a fact, WiFi calling works fine on att prepaid for this device
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You bought the V35 from Cricket store carrier unlocked -- or you bought it online somewhere (eBay, Amazon, etc) carrier unlocked? If online, then it was unlocked by the seller.
Asking because I'm surprised if the Cricket variant comes from store carrier unlocked, while the one from AT&T is NOT.
I just bought another AT&T V35 online already carrier unlocked by the seller. I now own two, unlocked that way. One still has AT&T firmware.
By the way, even US998 V30 (official carrier unlocked V30 variant) has T-Mobile WiFi calling.
LG never made the LG V35 for Cricket...it's all unlocked inventory being sold off at a deep discount, which is why people are buying them left, right, and sideways just to use n T-Mobile and other MVNOs of the sort. I'm just wondering if the normal firmware has T-Mo VoLTE/VoWiFi built-in to it's current firmware or if I do need to pull out LGUP and flash a ULM firmware to get support for it since I know that it works on Google Fi which makes me think that it should work possiby even without a firmware upgrade. I know for a fact all Cricket LG V35 smartphones come unlocked, period. They don't even have Cricket boot logos when you start them up and I'm almost as sure that they don't even have branding at all on the phone itself except for an AT&T boot screen.. I'd flash over a ULM KDZ just to get rid of the AT&T logo though.
Once you add the first month of service at $55/month and taxes, this phone comes out to $225 really but i guess still worth it for a new phone. I bought mine used for around $160 and so far love it. I just wish it could be rooted and in my opinion the better processor, memory, and audio than v30 barely outweigh the benefit of having root on V30. I have both and have been trying to decide which one to keep lol.
Edit: I can also confirm WiFi calling with Mint sim on this phone.
I got this deal few days ago.
I can confirm that the device is unlocked with no cricket / at&t branding on the phone. There is no cricket / at&t boot logo as well. I only see the LG logo on boot.
And after activating it with Cricket, I immediately changed the plan to 30 dollars per month and the extra 25 dollars has been credited to the Cricket account.
So far, I am loving the device.
O can confirm wifi calling works on TMobile once you enable it on the settings. Volte also works because in the phone app the call button has HD icon on it. I tested this on my cricket v35 which arrived today, with a TMobile SIM. Hope this helps.
Seriously?
I bought two of these at $300 each in July/August.
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Seriously?
I bought two of these at $300 each in July/August.
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Seriously, I bought one of these in July 2018 for $849. Well $649 after the GFi credit...
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Seriously?
I bought two of these at $300 each in July/August.
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And it's still $300 if you just buy the phone.
This deal is for phone + 6 month Cricket service contract. Yes, contract.
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Just saw a reddit post where you can basically sign up and get an LG V35 brand new for $149 as long as you "sign up for their service"...and I'd be more than willing to buy the phone along with an unlock code, and move it over to my T-Mobile family plan.
https://www.cricketwireless.com/cell-phones/smartphones/lg-v35-thinq-aurora-black.html
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You mean move it to T-Mobile after you pay off the six month Cricket contract?
These providers aren't interested in selling hardware. They're interested in getting new customers and retaining them. You're locked in for 6 months if you buy the phone at the special price. Otherwise it's $300.
ChazzMatt said:
And it's still $300 if you just buy the phone.
This deal is for phone + 6 month Cricket service contract. Yes, contract.
You mean move it to T-Mobile after you pay off the six month Cricket contract?
These providers aren't interested in selling hardware. They're interested in getting new customers and retaining them. You're locked in for 6 months if you buy the phone at the special price. Otherwise it's $300.
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I know they're trying to lure in new customers, but if they're gonna sell me an unlocked V35 for $149 I'd pay for it and just use the phone on T-Mobile since apparently it's the unlocked version of the phone. It doesn't have any Cricket branding or software on it for some odd reason, and one person has stated that it even works on T-Mo WiFi Calling and VoLTE. Screwing over Cricket doesn't bother me since they're selling unlocked smartphones, but even if I could purchase a locked V35 and then unlock it with a code I would still consider it. I'm still happy with my V30+ 128GB though, and considering buying it just to replace this V30+ since it has 6GB of RAM and the Snapdragon 845. If it works on T-Mo it's a much cheaper option than buying a Galaxy S9+ that's for sure.
Also apparently all V35 phones are unlocked in the US according to the Android Pie update released last month.
https://www.mylgphones.com/google-fi-unlocked-edtions-lg-v35-thinq-received-android-9-pie-update.html
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I know they're trying to lure in new customers, but if they're gonna sell me an unlocked V35 for $149 I'd pay for it and just use the phone on T-Mobile since apparently it's the unlocked version of the phone. It doesn't have any Cricket branding or software on it for some odd reason, and one person has stated that it even works on T-Mo WiFi Calling and VoLTE. Screwing over Cricket doesn't bother me [/url]
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You don't understand.
It's $149 + forced to pay for six months Cricket service legal contract.
You can be sued or be sent to Collections for "screwing over Cricket".
Or you can pay full price of $300 and buy it outright with no strings.
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You don't understand.
It's $149 + forced to pay for six months Cricket contract.
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Cricket has never once enforced contracts...it's entirely a prepaid phone company that runs on AT&T towers. They can't force you to pay for six months of service because they can't trap you in a contract since they only do prepaid phone service. AT&T could enforce it, but Cricket doesn't have the ability to...they don't even run credit checks or get all of the information necessary to access your credit, so how could they force you to stick with Cricket for 6 months if they sell you an unlocked phone? The second month they expect payment, you could just stop paying them and then the service would be cut off...that's it. If you want to be extremely sure you could setup a Privacy.com card and use a one time payment to Cricket in order to buy the phone, and then in 30 days they just cut off your service and that's all there is to it.
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Cricket has never once enforced contracts...it's entirely a prepaid phone company that runs on AT&T towers. They can't force you to pay for six months of service because they can't trap you in a contract since they only do prepaid phone service. AT&T could enforce it, but Cricket doesn't have the ability to...they don't even run credit checks or get all of the information necessary to access your credit, so how could they force you to stick with Cricket for 6 months if they sell you an unlocked phone? The second month they expect payment, you could just stop paying them and then the service would be cut off...that's it. If you want to be extremely sure you could setup a Privacy.com card and use a one time payment to Cricket in order to buy the phone, and then in 30 days they just cut off your service and that's all there is to it.
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If you sign a purchase agreement (CONTRACT) contingent on you paying for six months of service, then it's STILL CRICKET property until you pay in full.
$149 is not the full price. It's the down payment.
Sure you can use it on T-Mobile WHILE STILL PAYING FOR CRICKET SERVICE.
But you'll no longer have your T-Mobile phone number. You have to port it to Cricket to get this deal.
Have you even read the terms?
ChazzMatt said:
And it's still $300 if you just buy the phone.
This deal is for phone + 6 month Cricket service contract. Yes, contract.
You mean move it to T-Mobile after you pay off the six month Cricket contract?
These providers aren't interested in selling hardware. They're interested in getting new customers and retaining them. You're locked in for 6 months if you buy the phone at the special price. Otherwise it's $300.
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Indeed I did, and I would never port my phone number to Cricket. I would get a new number from T-Mobile (EDIT: Actually it's Ultra Mobile), pay 1 month of service, and then stop payments completely. Cricket does not have the authority to run credit checks and they do not blacklist your phone's IMEI if you stop paying, and since they are selling an unlocked phone there is literally nothing Cricket/AT&T can do about it. The only thing they can do is shut off your service for the new number that Cricket assigns to your account and that is it because if you wanted to come back to Cricket, they still want you to have your phone ready to go and you'd have to purchase a new BYOD Cricket SIM card. They do not even have the capacity to impact your credit score or blacklist your phone for stopping payments on your plan if you pay for the phone in full, and you are paying $150 for the entire cost of the phone - it's not being purchased on a payment plan nor do they charge an equipment fee for the V35 after paying for the device in full. Every single month after the first 30 days you pay $50 plus taxes and that's it. I did read the terms thoroughly and that's how I know if you port in the number from a temporary place like activating a T-Mobile daily SIM card and using that number to port in and that is all that is required. T-Mobile daily prepaid SIM service = $1 per day.
EDIT: I misspoke about the cost of the T-Mobile SIM. Apparently they route you through Ultra Mobile and it's $3 per month for a SIM card with only 30 minutes on it that lasts 30 days.
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Indeed I did, and I would never port my phone number to Cricket. I would get a new number from T-Mobile (EDIT: Actually it's Ultra Mobile), pay 1 month of service, and then stop payments completely. Cricket does not have the authority to run credit checks and they do not blacklist your phone's IMEI if you stop paying, and since they are selling an unlocked phone there is literally nothing Cricket/AT&T can do about it. The only thing they can do is shut off your service for the new number that Cricket assigns to your account and that is it because if you wanted to come back to Cricket, they still want you to have your phone ready to go and you'd have to purchase a new BYOD Cricket SIM card. They do not even have the capacity to impact your credit score or blacklist your phone for stopping payments on your plan if you pay for the phone in full, and you are paying $150 for the entire cost of the phone - it's not being purchased on a payment plan nor do they charge an equipment fee for the V35 after paying for the device in full. Every single month after the first 30 days you pay $50 plus taxes and that's it. I did read the terms thoroughly and that's how I know if you port in the number from a temporary place like activating a T-Mobile daily SIM card and using that number to port in and that is all that is required. T-Mobile daily prepaid SIM service = $1 per day.
EDIT: I misspoke about the cost of the T-Mobile SIM. Apparently they route you through Ultra Mobile and it's $3 per month for a SIM card with only 30 minutes on it that lasts 30 days.
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Terms say it's locked to Cricket for 6 months.
Look I'm tired of arguing about it. You go do it and live with yourself.
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Terms say it's locked to Cricket for 6 months.
Look I'm tired of arguing about it. You go do it and live with yourself.
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The terms can say anything they want to, but the phone itself comes unlocked directly from Cricket, and the only way that Cricket could touch you is if you purchased the phone and paid for your device in payments, as in 30 dollars a month for 24 months. Cricket doesn't and never will finance phones for just six months, because that would be dimwitted of a company to do. Cricket's generic terms are that they will not UNLOCK a smartphone until the phone has been on their network for at least six months - not that it has to be paid off over a six month term. Since the LG V35 sold by Cricket arrives at your door stop comes unlocked, how are they going to ding your credit? They don't even ask for your social security number or driver's license number when checking out, only payment information. I'm not trying to start an argument for the sake of my ego...arguments on the internet are inherently dumb in the first place and I'm only trying to help you and other people that also think Cricket will wreck your credit report if you don't stay with a prepaid cellular provider for six months. If you don't believe me, launch a chat session with Cricket and link them to that offer page and ask them what the total cost of the phone is if you port in your own number and what happens if you stop paying for service after the second month of service. Their answer will be "Your service will be suspended, and no we cannot report your non-payment to any of the three credit agencies because we are a prepaid phone company and you paid for your device with a single payment and not over multiple months or years like postpaid carriers attempt to lure people into. We also can't blacklist the device because it's been paid for in full, and because the phone hasn't been reported as stolen it's still able to be used on any other GSM carrier as long as the phone is unlocked." Since the phone isn't even a Cricket branded phone and shows up at your doorstep unlocked, that's all there is to it. Feel free to read about the offer on SlickDeals.net and how other people are also buying the phone for $204.99 plus taxes just to use it with Google Fi or T-Mobile now as well, which is easy to find if you just search for "cricket V35" in the forums.
ChazzMatt said:
You don't understand.
It's $149 + forced to pay for six months Cricket service legal contract.
You can be sued or be sent to Collections for "screwing over Cricket".
Or you can pay full price of $300 and buy it outright with no strings.
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You're mistaken. The terms mention the standard terms that "you *may* be required to be on a plan for 6 months" before you can request a carrier unlock. Since the phone is carrier unlocked out of the box that request is not necessary. The discount requires a number port in not a service agreement..
It never says you are agreeing to 6 months of service. It would be perfectly reasonable to order the phone and turn off the service immediately and leave it in a drawer and never use it again without violating any kind of agreement.
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LG V35 - 50% OFF
Ends 11/21, while supplies last. Online only. Must port-in & activ. new line on min. $55/mo. voice and data plan. First mo. svc charge & tax due at sale. Excludes upgrades and AT&T ports. Activation fee & add’l one-time fees (up to $3 Customer Assistance Fee) may apply. See cricketwireless.com/fees. Price w/use of Mfg/Dist coupon automatically applied at checkout. By accepting Mfg/Dist coupon, customer agrees to pay all transactional tax due on item sold, including value of coupon where applicable. Transfer Number (Switch/Port), Upgrade or New Line pricing is available to customer once every 90 days. May not be combinable with certain offers, discounts, or credits. Phone may be restricted to Cricket svc during first 6 months after activation. By activating/using svc, you agree to Cricket Terms of Service (cricketwireless.com/terms). Svc good for 30 days and is subject to Cricket network management policies, see cricketwireless.com/mobile broadband for details. Return Fee: $25; see cricketwireless.com/fees for details. Pricing, terms, & other restr's subject to change and may be modified or terminated at any time without notice. Coverage & svc not avail. everywhere. © 2019 Cricket Wireless LLC. All rights reserved.
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You're mistaken. The terms mention the standard terms that "you *may* be required to be on a plan for 6 months" before you can request a carrier unlock. Since the phone is carrier unlocked out of the box that request is not necessary. The discount requires a number port in not a service agreement..
It never says you are agreeing to 6 months of service. It would be perfectly reasonable to order the phone and turn off the service immediately and leave it in a drawer and never use it again without violating any kind of agreement.
From Cricket:
LG V35 - 50% OFF
Ends 11/21, while supplies last. Online only. Must port-in & activ. new line on min. $55/mo. voice and data plan. First mo. svc charge & tax due at sale. Excludes upgrades and AT&T ports. Activation fee & add’l one-time fees (up to $3 Customer Assistance Fee) may apply. See cricketwireless.com/fees. Price w/use of Mfg/Dist coupon automatically applied at checkout. By accepting Mfg/Dist coupon, customer agrees to pay all transactional tax due on item sold, including value of coupon where applicable. Transfer Number (Switch/Port), Upgrade or New Line pricing is available to customer once every 90 days. May not be combinable with certain offers, discounts, or credits. Phone may be restricted to Cricket svc during first 6 months after activation. By activating/using svc, you agree to Cricket Terms of Service (cricketwireless.com/terms). Svc good for 30 days and is subject to Cricket network management policies, see cricketwireless.com/mobile broadband for details. Return Fee: $25; see cricketwireless.com/fees for details. Pricing, terms, & other restr's subject to change and may be modified or terminated at any time without notice. Coverage & svc not avail. everywhere. © 2019 Cricket Wireless LLC. All rights reserved.
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Same to you:
ChazzMatt said:
Terms say it's locked to Cricket for 6 months.
Look I'm tired of arguing about it. You go do it and live with yourself.
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