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So, I have been playijg around with my new Nexus S for a few hours and have everything loaded up like before. It's an awesome phone, just not surs ifbit is a $500 upgrade from the Nexus One that I currently own. My biggest issue is the limilted memory... with 12 gigs of music, my work files and others- I think I will run out soon, I am guessing they come out with a 32 gig before long. I will hang on to this and see how my N1 performs with GB. I really don't need a front facing camera or NFC chip. But I must admit, this thing is great and really flies! Anyone else having second thought?

It's disappointing that Google is going the Steve Jobs way trying to control what we can or can't do with our phones. I prefer my Nexus one 1000 times over this mediocre-half-ass attempt of a phone. I'll wait for Google to try again next year and bring back the tracking ball, memory slot, and a metallic casing instead of the plasticky one.
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calin75 said:
It's disappointing that Google is going the Steve Jobs way trying to control what we can or can't do with our phones.
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Yeah, I don't really see the Google Walled Garden. You'll have to explain.

I am almost positive there will be a Nexus-M by Motorola, they really want in on the Nexus name I have heard. Might be called the Nexus-3.0 and released after Honeycomb comes out, but that's just rumors I have heard. I thought Moto was gonna get the Nexus-2 before Samsung got involved, so I am sure they are working on a Nexus phone for release in 2011.
Right now, today, the Nexus-S is the best Android phone on the market, if you want pure Android, with no carrier bloatware, and no branding crap like Sense or Touchwiz, and you just need to root this phone to make it bad ass, no real need for a custom rom like C 6.1.
I would not want the first dual core phone to market anyways, let them work out the kinks and bugs first, and I'll take the second round of dual core phones. Will give them time to really optimize Android for dual core after the 2nd gen is out.

I think the OP was asking if you have actually bought the phone are you having second thoughts.

To go from a Nexus One to a Nexus S and call it an upgrade is an oxymoron. To pay money and get a phone with less features is unwise. Gingerbread is coming to the Nexus One anyway.
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calin75 said:
To go from a Nexus One to a Nexus S and call it an upgrade is an oxymoron. To pay money and get a phone with less features is unwise.
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Where does Google say it's an upgrade? Link, please.
If you're just whining because the Nexus S doesn't have all the features that you want, then please stop. Go somewhere else and start your own thread, where you can complain all you want that the phone doesn't have a Jet Pack or a Rocket Launcher.

calin75 said:
It's disappointing that Google is going the Steve Jobs way trying to control what we can or can't do with our phones. I prefer my Nexus one 1000 times over this mediocre-half-ass attempt of a phone. I'll wait for Google to try again next year and bring back the tracking ball, memory slot, and a metallic casing instead of the plasticky one.
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It's hardly the same thing. Sure, Google may have taken out a couple features that you find important, but they are definitely not controlling anything. These decisions ONLY affect the Nexus S. The MANY other Android phones are not affected. So if you want a trackball and expandable memory, you can very well have that. Just buy a different phone. Apple on the other hand, prevents this freedom since the iPhone is the only available iOS phone.

shrivelfig said:
Where does Google say it's an upgrade? Link, please.
If you're just whining because the Nexus S doesn't have all the features that you want, then please stop. Go somewhere else and start your own thread, where you can complain all you want that the phone doesn't have a Jet Pack or a Rocket Launcher.
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This is a forum for people to share their opinions. If you really like the Nexus S, you shouldn't get mad if others don't. Go buy one, enjoy it and move on. But try to understand that different people use their phones differently.
For me, the lack of SD storage is a deal breaker. Like the OP, I have easily over 12GB of music that I load on my phones. I don't want to carry an MP3 player on top of my cellphone. Nexus S's lack of SD slot leaves me with very limited space for my other data (work emails, apps, pictures and clips that I shoot, and so on). Having said that, I could see how this wouldn't be an issue for someone who doesn't fill up their phone.
Secondly, no matter how you spin it, the hardware is not a noticeable step ahead from the Nexus One, or the myTouch 4G. The S has a 1GHz processor and so do a whole slew of phones by Samsung and other manufacturers.
Thirdly, the Nexus S doesn't utilize TMO's HSPA+ network. Again, this may not be a big deal for somebody who doesn't do heavy data on their phone. But I do, and I happen to live in an area where TMO's "4G" network works extremely well. I definitely consider going from HSPA+ back to "3G" a downgrade. You may not share that view...
Basically, the only selling point for the S is Gingerbread. Based on certain information I have, the MT4G is highly likely to get a 2.3 update on the other side of the year. A minor OS update isn't enough to convince me to buy this phone.
As for your "upgrade" comment, technology is expected to get better over time. It's just the way it works. Google doesn't need to hold a press conference event to tell us whether this phone is an upgrade over a phone released nearly a year ago. That is expected to be the case.

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I think the Nexus phones are Google's iPhone. It is untouched by Carrier bloatware, and untouched by phone brand UI's. This is the "pure" Android experience, sort of how iPhone is the "pure" Apple phone experience, but they only have one phone anyways, so sort of hard to compare, but you get my drift.
Is the Nexus-S gonna be the top dog hardware, no. But it will always be up to date with the current OS, and not really needing any custom roms, just a root. Sure in two months from now, there will be dual cores etc...but they will also have Moto blur, or TouchWiz, or Sense UI, and then have Verizon Bing search, or ATT crap ware. I like the virgin Nexus, even if she is a little slower
Every Christmas time there will be a new Nexus, running the latest OS, sort of like every summer there is a new iPhone. I hope this keeps going.

Zorachus said:
Sure in two months from now, there will be dual cores etc...but they will also have Moto blur, or TouchWiz, or Sense UI, and then have Verizon Bing search, or ATT crap ware.
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even if there is, until android is written to support it, and the apps are as well, having an extra core will be useless.
I'm going to sit on my n1 until a dual core dev phone is released. By that point, my n1 will be at the same hardware comparison with the new phone that my g1 was with the n1

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even if there is, until android is written to support it, and the apps are as well, having an extra core will be useless.
I'm going to sit on my n1 until a dual core dev phone is released. By that point, my n1 will be at the same hardware comparison with the new phone that my g1 was with the n1
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Agreed, I would not want to be beta tester on the first gen of dual core phones, could be buggy, or could not offer any performance gains until the Android OS is totally ready for it . Now a dual core Nexus development phone would be nice.

Probably going to return mine
This phone is nice, but I really don't c much performance upgrade over my Nexus One. When I tried to watch some flash videos, it was just as choppy as my Nexus One...I was very disappointed. I think right before the remorse period is over I will return the phone and go back to my N1.

I visited Best Buy during lunch and got to play with a demo unit. The first impression is that the phone feels cheap. Yes, we've read about this many times in reviews, but I don't think one realizes it until one has it in their hands. It feels like a toy. And for whatever reason, it feels cheaper than the Vibrant; maybe because of expectations (Nexus branding and all)? I don't know. In some ways, the Vibrant's cheapness still feels like quality.
Granted, I was only using it for no more than 5 minutes, I was quite underwhelmed. Gingerbread sure is smooth, though.

Driving home with mine right now. 30 day return policy with no restocking fee. Ill see how gb does on my nexus one also and if I find any buyers. If gb flies on n1 and no buyers ill return. Can't wait to get home and charge it then wait till its done before I use. Fffuuuuuuu
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I too am underwhelmed with the device so far. Oh yes it is fast and smooth but I am getting Fc's and some have to do with the GPS which does concern me. My GPS has been spotty so far and I still recall the torture with the Vibrant's GPS. Also Market has not updated to the new market. I thought GB would include that for sure(perhaps it is not actually released yet although I have it on my Vibrant. I do like the feel of the phone though. It is heavier to me than the Vibrant or the MT4G

... Like 2 dicks and no *****, Samsung and Android don't mix.
Sorry but that's just the god's honest truth.

tenbeau said:
I too am underwhelmed with the device so far. Oh yes it is fast and smooth but I am getting Fc's and some have to do with the GPS which does concern me. My GPS has been spotty so far and I still recall the torture with the Vibrant's GPS. Also Market has not updated to the new market. I thought GB would include that for sure(perhaps it is not actually released yet although I have it on my Vibrant. I do like the feel of the phone though. It is heavier to me than the Vibrant or the MT4G
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If you're getting FC's out of the box, do a full reset of the phone. If it keeps doing it even afterwards, then exchange it.

This is my first Samsung device and I disagree with the folks saying that it feels cheap or like a toy. My only complaint about it's build quality after having played with it for the last several hours is that I wish they had used some rubberized texture coating or something because the phone is pretty slick.
I'm sure I'll get used to it though and adjust my grip accordingly.
shawn1224 said:
... Like 2 dicks and no *****, Samsung and Android don't mix.
Sorry but that's just the god's honest truth.
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LOL I'm writing that one down.

Should I return my Fascinate?

I'm thinking about returning my Fascinate in light of the Verizon iPhone. Would it be worth it? Being stuck on 2.1 waiting till 2013 for Gingerbread forever sucks!

1.4hitachi said:
I'm thinking about returning my Fascinate in light of the Verizon iPhone. Would it be worth it? Being stuck on 2.2 forever sucks!
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I wouldn't get this iteration of the iPhone. You'll be stuck on it for the next two years, missing out completely on the next gen device that will come out in the summer.

there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?

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there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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Yeah, I owned the Droid inc and returned it for the Fascinate, that was a good decision I think. The X is too big and has a tumor, and the Droid 2 is just a faster version of the OG Droid.
Very Good points. Thanks.

nmyeti said:
there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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I kind of agree with you on the VZW part. The Fascinate IMO is the best Android handset on Verizon, for the the reasons that you also listed above. However, having been using an iPhone 3GS until recently, there are also some benefits to switching over to iOS. Personally, I find a lot more that I like about the Android platform compared to iOS. I also have a problem with having to use a device where a CEO is determining what I want from a phone, but it does have its upsides.
However as a Fascinate owner, there seems to be this feeling of being left behind and inadequate. Samsung is more focused on releasing new devices with Froyo already installed, than actually releasing the damn update on our current phones. What's the point in buying the Fascinate today if in not even half of a year there will be a better version of it running wild? At least with the iPhone you know that you will get timely updates and a new version won't hit stores until at least a year later.
Now, one could argue that rooting your SCH-I500 and flashing a custom ROM can make you feel less concerned with having to have the 2.2 update on the phone, but even the mod development on this phone feels somewhat weak (No offense to the Fascinate devs, I know you guys are awesome and doing all you can to save this phone). I'm just calling it how I see it. I've used, rooted, and modded an Epic 4G and that device has a way more active community with more variety in mod selections.
Personally, if I was told that I could exchange my Fascinate for the iPhone 4 when it releases I would jump on that. However, If I was told that I could exchange my Fascinate for the Droid Bionic when that launches, I would be much more excited.

As noted, the Fascinate even with 2.1 is still a fantastic phone. If you are smart, you'll keep what you have (or trade/ebay) to keep your upgrade for later this year when all the LTE dual core Androids come out that will blow away anything out currently and even the next iPhone coming in June/July (as it won't have LTE).

I would return it and just get a cheap feature phone off craig's list and use that sans contract until the Motorola Bionic comes out, and then sign your contract with the phone discount. Wish I still had this option. May try to sell my Fascinate on craig's list and see if I can get 50% of the cost of a Bionic to just buy it out right. Im tired of Samsung and their bull ****. I can deal with updates no coming out. But when you code your phone so poorly that even the dev community can't work with it to fix your laziness and inability to release updates, well that is just too much for me.

Yes, most definitely. Return it, and get a Razr.

superchunkwii said:
As noted, the Fascinate even with 2.1 is still a fantastic phone. If you are smart, you'll keep what you have (or trade/ebay) to keep your upgrade for later this year when all the LTE dual core Androids come out that will blow away anything out currently and even the next iPhone coming in June/July (as it won't have LTE).
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Yeah i can't wait to see the battery life on a dual core :/
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zachsx said:
Yeah i can't wait to see the battery life on a dual core :/
Z an B son!
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Considering all the current smart phones have about 1500mah batteries and the specs released for the upcoming dual core have 2000mah batteries along with better/more efficient OSs etc, I'm thinking the battery life will be about the same.

Battery life may even be better on the targa2 based phones as they probably will have a lot more time "at rest" since they are capable of doing a lot more work per clock cycle.
Personally i am holding out till a dual core, lte phone comes along in the form factor i want.

Wait for dual core. Iphone 4 is outdated by the time March hits.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz

spotmark said:
Yes, most definitely. Return it, and get a Razr.
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Razor FTW! I had one of those back in 07', I thought it was bad a$$.

Yeah, being on the latest version of android would be nice. But, honestly, I don't know that having a newer version of android would impact how I use my phone. Flash support will be nice but I rarely find my self on websites that require flash while browsing on my phone. certain apps require 2.2, but I don't use those. The speed bump might be the biggest difference (for me, at least).
I'm sure we'll get updates either from the devs or from samsung that will bring us to the newer versions of android. But, Before you got making a drastic change in phone hardware just ask yourself if that is really going to change your phone activities or how you use it. For me, it really won't.
my 2 cents.

I'm in the same boat. I just got my Fascinate 3 weeks ago (leaving a little over 1 more week to return it under the 30 day guarantee), and I love it; it's the first smart phone I've owned. However, I can't help but feel the iPhone might be a better choice.
For me, the selling points for Android were Google Voice integration and free wifi hotspot capability. After researching these, I believe they are both now possible on the iPhone. I didn't even consider an iPhone before because I didn't want to deal with AT&T's network, but on Verizon, it is pretty tempting.
I also hate Steve Jobs and the general iPhone mindset--that everything is perfect as-is without allowing for any changes. With jailbreaking, however, I feel like most things on the Android become possible. I'm under the impression that the iPhone can do essentially everything that Android can, with a better/larger selection of apps and games. Maybe I'm wrong...it'd be great if someone who has previously owned an iPhone could point out its flaws to change my mind.
In the end, I'm sure I'd be happy with either device, regardless of my decision. But with 2 years to go, I want the best experience possible. The Fascinate has been great, but Samsung's apathy toward updates is a big turn-off. If it weren't for jt/birdman/etc. and their work on Gingerbread, I might have switched already.

theBNich said:
I'm in the same boat. I just got my Fascinate 3 weeks ago (leaving a little over 1 more week to return it under the 30 day guarantee), and I love it; it's the first smart phone I've owned. However, I can't help but feel the iPhone might be a better choice.
For me, the selling points for Android were Google Voice integration and free wifi hotspot capability. After researching these, I believe they are both now possible on the iPhone. I didn't even consider an iPhone before because I didn't want to deal with AT&T's network, but on Verizon, it is pretty tempting.
I also hate Steve Jobs and the general iPhone mindset--that everything is perfect as-is without allowing for any changes. With jailbreaking, however, I feel like most things on the Android become possible. I'm under the impression that the iPhone can do essentially everything that Android can, with a better/larger selection of apps and games. Maybe I'm wrong...it'd be great if someone who has previously owned an iPhone could point out its flaws to change my mind.
In the end, I'm sure I'd be happy with either device, regardless of my decision. But with 2 years to go, I want the best experience possible. The Fascinate has been great, but Samsung's apathy toward updates is a big turn-off. If it weren't for jt/birdman/etc. and their work on Gingerbread, I might have switched already.
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Personally, I'd stick with what you got so you don't get trapped into iOS apps and iTunes (which I loathe). GB will be out soonish from this community and Samsung will eventually get 2.2 out if you want to stay unrooted.
The phone is a great phone and the only feature you'll really be lacking is the front camera/video calls. If that is really important to you, then maybe get the HTC Thunderbolt as it comes out soon.
Also, don't worry about your return period as you can easily sell the phone for upwards of $400 on Ebay/Craigslist and simply buy someones phone you want out right down the road when they launch. Such as in 6mos or so when all the far better dual core LTE devices launch.

superchunkwii said:
Personally, I'd stick with what you got so you don't get trapped into iOS apps and iTunes (which I loathe). GB will be out soonish from this community and Samsung will eventually get 2.2 out if you want to stay unrooted.
The phone is a great phone and the only feature you'll really be lacking is the front camera/video calls. If that is really important to you, then maybe get the HTC Thunderbolt as it comes out soon.
Also, don't worry about your return period as you can easily sell the phone for upwards of $400 on Ebay/Craigslist and simply buy someones phone you want out right down the road when they launch. Such as in 6mos or so when all the far better dual core LTE devices launch.
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I don't care at all about a front camera; until it is much more common and the people that I talk to have one, it is on the bottom of my priority list. What do you hate about iOS apps? I have an iPod, and I personally think iTunes is a decent interface for music syncs. It certainly beats what I use to transfer media to my Fascinate right now, which is manual file copying. Maybe I'll give MediaMonkey a try soon.

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I don't care at all about a front camera; until it is much more common and the people that I talk to have one, it is on the bottom of my priority list. What do you hate about iOS apps? I have an iPod, and I personally think iTunes is a decent interface for music syncs. It certainly beats what I use to transfer media to my Fascinate right now, which is manual file copying. Maybe I'll give MediaMonkey a try soon.
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iOS apps are fine, except I do believe there are far more free versions on the Android market.
I loathe iTunes as its a resource hog. I refuse to allow it on my machines.
Android allows you to use whatever software you want and you simply copy paste the media over to your phone. May not be automatic (yet I'm sure Google is working on this) but, that is not a concern to me and I am good with copy/paste.

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iOS apps are fine, except I do believe there are far more free versions on the Android market.
I loathe iTunes as its a resource hog. I refuse to allow it on my machines.
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I hate itunes and it's probably the #1 reason that I don't use an iphone. There is nothing specifically wrong with the iphone 4, but honestly who wants to sign a 2 year contract on something that is already about a year old when a new version will be out soon?
I bought my Droid inc back in April when it launched. VZW was kind enough to replace it with a SF after I had some issues with my 3rd DINC. I've got an upgrade i'm saving for when something really compelling comes out and i can tell you, the iphone 4 isn't compelling.

I have 2 different people I know that own iPhone 4s and I have had to use them at one point or another (to look something up and my phone was at my desk). I can say that I will definitely NEVER EVER go back to a 3.5 inch screen. They seem soooo small now. I don't think I would even consider a 3.7 inch screen at this point. I think 4 inches is the smallest I will ever go, and the 4.3 on the Droid X and Evo are probably pushing the upper region.

Why all of the blind hatred?

The Motorola Atrix is a phone. There are accessories for it. I understand the price of the mobile dock is unreasonably high, but stop looking at it from the standpoint that it's worthless without it's unique dock. Was the Nexus One worthless without this dock? Was the G1 worthless without the dock? Of course not, it didn't exist. Take the dock out of the equation and the Atrix is still going to be one of the best phones out there. Dual core with a gig of ram, it's a monster compared to what's out right now.
You can speculate whether or not the bootloader will be locked. Maybe it will be, maybe it won't be. Motorola said publicly that they would like to enable developers to do what they want. Should we take them on their word? No, not yet. But until it's out, stop trashing the image of what could be a great device based on assumptions.
These forums should be a tool used to make the android world a better place. Complaining about a device not yet released helps no one.

It completely agree. Therefore I will buy it.

The dock was what took it from nice powerful phone to amazing. Without that... there will be plenty of great dual-core phones this year, no need to deal with AT&T.
Goodbye AT&T.

I have to use AT&T and I'm tired of my iPhone 3G. SO I'll probably be getting this.. It's an awesome phone with killer specs that could probably hold it's own for a year and half.

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The dock was what took it from nice powerful phone to amazing. Without that... there will be plenty of great dual-core phones this year, no need to deal with AT&T.
Goodbye AT&T.
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In a year - two will be four nuclear, can them then to wait?

I agree. Still the most powerful, best specced phone out there.

Sadly the dock is too expensive, but you still get Gorilla Glass, a qHD display and a 1900 mAh battery! No other phone can compete with this specs at the moment. So I'm still eagerly awaiting the Atrix.
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naxir said:
The Motorola Atrix is a phone. There are accessories for it. I understand the price of the mobile dock is unreasonably high, but stop looking at it from the standpoint that it's worthless without it's unique dock. Was the Nexus One worthless without this dock? Was the G1 worthless without the dock? Of course not, it didn't exist. Take the dock out of the equation and the Atrix is still going to be one of the best phones out there. Dual core with a gig of ram, it's a monster compared to what's out right now.
You can speculate whether or not the bootloader will be locked. Maybe it will be, maybe it won't be. Motorola said publicly that they would like to enable developers to do what they want. Should we take them on their word? No, not yet. But until it's out, stop trashing the image of what could be a great device based on assumptions.
These forums should be a tool used to make the android world a better place. Complaining about a device not yet released helps no one.
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I think what's bothering people is that this phone is going to be needlessly hampered down by AT&T by way of locked bootloader, no sideloading, & motoblur causing update delays. All of this crap bundled into the phone was somewhat alleviated, though, because it allowed use for all of these awesome accessories. Now that for all intents and purposes these accessories are off the table for most, everyone is left with a hindered Atrix, while competitors have similarly spec'd devices without the bloat.

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I think what's bothering people is that this phone is going to be needlessly hampered down by AT&T by way of locked bootloader
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I wasn't aware the device was out yet.

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I wasn't aware the device was out yet.
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Bootloader is locked; it's policy for Moto devices now. Droid was an exception. The strange thing is that the pressure to lock isn't coming from carriers.
Still, it will be interesting to see if Moto will follow through with increased interaction with the development community. A vague promise was made after their Twitter faux pas a couple of weeks back.

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The dock was what took it from nice powerful phone to amazing. Without that... there will be plenty of great dual-core phones this year, no need to deal with AT&T.
Goodbye AT&T.
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This.
The Atrix is just another high-powered Android phone without the laptop dock... made slightly less cool with the existence of Motoblur.
There are LOTS of us who would have bought the thing if it weren't for the overpriced dock and (more significantly) the idiotic tethering requirement. Alone, it's a beefy phone... but it's on AT&T. Gross. I'll wait for something better on one of the other networks.

naxir said:
The Motorola Atrix is a phone. There are accessories for it. I understand the price of the mobile dock is unreasonably high, but stop looking at it from the standpoint that it's worthless without it's unique dock. Was the Nexus One worthless without this dock? Was the G1 worthless without the dock? Of course not, it didn't exist.
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The reason for me, which I don't see anyone else having an issue with, is that there are very few Android phones with truly stellar keyboards, and on AT&T, there are absolutely none. The Atrix's laptop dock gave me a good reason to move from the slowness and limited capabilities of my Rhodium without giving up the usability of a good keyboard, even if it would force me to carry around a little laptop. I don't give a crap about the Firefox browser, the dual core processor, the fingerprint scanner or anything (though I loved the features just the same), I just wanted to be able to write my damn emails on a decent keyboard, and AT&T screws it up.

irishtexmex said:
I think what's bothering people is that this phone is going to be needlessly hampered down by AT&T by way of locked bootloader, no sideloading, & motoblur causing update delays. All of this crap bundled into the phone was somewhat alleviated, though, because it allowed use for all of these awesome accessories. Now that for all intents and purposes these accessories are off the table for most, everyone is left with a hindered Atrix, while competitors have similarly spec'd devices without the bloat.
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Absolutely bang on.
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blognc said:
The reason for me, which I don't see anyone else having an issue with, is that there are very few Android phones with truly stellar keyboards, and on AT&T, there are absolutely none. The Atrix's laptop dock gave me a good reason to move from the slowness and limited capabilities of my Rhodium without giving up the usability of a good keyboard, even if it would force me to carry around a little laptop. I don't give a crap about the Firefox browser, the dual core processor, the fingerprint scanner or anything (though I loved the features just the same), I just wanted to be able to write my damn emails on a decent keyboard, and AT&T screws it up.
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If you're willing to carry around a laptop, then why don't you just use a bluetooth or USB keyboard?
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The expensive dock is disappointing, but not a deal breaker for me, I need to replace my phone and the Atrix has fantastic specs.
I would like to be able to custom rom it (to get rid of motoblur if neccesary, fix sideloading and possibly fix slow moto updates). but that's also not a deal breaker.
I'm hoping that moto will at least update their flagship phone an update or two, if they don't, I'll just never buy another motorola phone again. (this will be my first)
So I'm still planning to pre-order the phone as soon as I can (13th I believe). I need to upgrade my aging G1 and I don't want to wait until this summer when HTC or somebody comes out with a phone with comparable specs. In all, the whole deal could be a lot better without the locked down phone and a cheaper dock, but I'm still looking forward to getting it..
Also, motorola posted on their fb that they are looking at working with developers, that gives me a little hope that maybe I could enroll into some dev program that lets me unlock the phone in the future. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that wasn't just hot air & marketing BS.

If the question is about why the blind hatred then I can answer that.
The pricing on the dock is beyond insulting.
It is a clear statement that at&t are a bunch of bastards!
They offer a deal that even at 500$ with just the phone and the dock wouldn't be that great, but nope it is at&t so they have to take it to the next screw job level.
To get their "offer" they want to lock you into another twenty bucks a month for two flippin years. So all told you would shell out close to 800 bucks for a keyboard and a mouse, that no one else will ever want. In two years time what is a dock for the atrix going to sell on ebay? My bet would be 50 bucks.
at&t makes it pretty clear they think their customers are dog ****.
That is why people rightly hate at&t, because they treat the public like they are ****.
That being said I'm still interested in the phone

i don't really mind the motoblur or the sideloading or even the expensive dock - you can either get the laptop dock or not.
i just want to be able to tether the phone for free, like how i do with my nexus one right now. i don't use it a lot but i find the feature very useful when traveling. but seeing how att is acting, tethering on my grandfathered unlimited plan does not seem like a reality.

Yeah, the price of the dock is a bit disappointing when all you're really getting is a 11" lcd screen and keyboard with a few pins that connect it to the phone. Im not too worried about "not" having the dock.
As far as it being locked down, I am pretty sure that there will be quite a few developers that will be able to crack this thing, and put some tasty ROMs on it. Look at the Droid X, it was locked down when it first came out.
Specs wise, I feel this is the phone I am going to get to replace my Aria. I want amazing display, a front facing camera, it has dual core proc, 1gb of ram, 16gb of internal, 1930 mAh battery... Seriously, is there another phone out there that can beat it? The dual core LG phone that is coming out does not have 1gb of ram. Who cares that it has a 5mp rear camera? ARE YOU TAKING THESE TO WALGREENS AND PRINTING THEM?
I need a phone for when I am on the road on the weekends, and I need to get sh*t done. I can do it with the Aria now, but I have to have it on a car charger when I am in the car.
I have been with AT&T for a long time, since before they were even Cingular, and they have always treated me right, and I have never really had any coverage issues other than when in the middle of NO WHERE! So, not a big deal to me.
Every one has their opinion though!

From first Atrix reviews:
Pixelated screen that looks bad (they managed to f**k up qHD somehow i guess)
FroYo that uses only 1 core
Motoblur
Locked bootloader (Droid X's encrypted bootloader, anyone?)
No sideloading
Kinda boring design
Flaky fgp reader
$25/mo for 2GB? No thank you.
And.. drumroll... so-called AT&T "4G" that's slower than their 3G.
Yay!

DarkDvr said:
From first Atrix reviews:
Pixelated screen that looks bad (they managed to f**k up qHD somehow i guess)
FroYo that uses only 1 core
Motoblur
Locked bootloader (Droid X's encrypted bootloader, anyone?)
No sideloading
Kinda boring design
Flaky fgp reader
$25/mo for 2GB? No thank you.
And.. drumroll... so-called AT&T "4G" that's slower than their 3G.
Yay!
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What review are you referring to? I've been reading them all and haven't seen that. Reviews have complimented the screen. The only place I saw a similar comment was on CNET, where the reviewer was comparing it to an iPhone 4 and saying that since the screen is bigger at similar resolution, it is more 'pixelated' than the iPhone4. Not a valid point, since you'd have to hold the Atrix at the end of your nose to be able to distinguish the pixels.
Motoblur? Install a different launcher
No sideloading? Use sideload wonder machine.
Kinda boring design? Yeah, dual 1GHz and 1GB and HDMI and two OS's is very boring. Yawn. I thought every phone had that?
Flaky FP reader? Disable it if you don't like it. Are you comparing it to other phones' fingerprint readers? Because last I checked there weren't any.
2GB for $25 is stupid. Lucky some of us have unlimited.
I'm skeptical about the speed issues myself, but we'll see. If 4G really is slower than 3G, I'm sure that we can just disable it and go with the faster 3G. As stupid as that sounds (because it is).

All the new phones announced yet I still want the Nexus S.

After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?

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After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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I watched all of CES and I've been following MWC a bit more loosely but not a single one of them makes me want to give up my Nexus S. If you could keep my SNS I'd love to have an HTC Pyramid on top of it but just for poops and giggles. The SNS is the best phone I've owned and I love it.

I feel the same way as you do, but you can also run stock on a Galaxy S II or Motorola Atrix, with Custom ROMs. Of course, it won't be the same as with the Nexus S.
I just like the Nexus s as a whole. What I mean to say with that is that stock Android and updates from Google isn't the only thing I like about the Nexus.

I feel the same. I haven't seen anything that I would want instead of my Nexus S. Vanilla Android beats all

I feel the same..

while i like direct upgrades from Google in the SNS
i really like the hardware codec support for all the media files from the SGS2, and the dual core, and 1GB RAM, and the larger 1650mAh battery, and the 8 mpix camera with the flash, and the microSD support, and NFC, and BT3.0, and...
it's a really hard decision to make, forfeit direct upgrades to get all the goodies vs. keep direct upgrades, and have no goodies
the moment of truth will come when the AWS t-mobile model 1700+2100 hit the runway then i'll let me greed decide

None of these new phones are appealing to me at all.
I'll only buy into the Nexus brand from now on. This phone has been everything I've ever wanted from an Android device.

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while i like direct upgrades from Google in the SNS
i really like the hardware codec support for all the media files from the SGS2, and the dual core, and 1GB RAM, and the larger 1650mAh battery, and the 8 mpix camera with the flash, and the microSD support, and NFC, and BT3.0, and...
it's a really hard decision to make, forfeit direct upgrades to get all the goodies vs. keep direct upgrades, and have no goodies
the moment of truth will come when the AWS t-mobile model 1700+2100 hit the runway then i'll let me greed decide
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and super amoled+. I'm looking forward to a 4" variant, if they make one.

Love my Nexus S. The hardware, the fact that is supported straight from Google, everything about it.
I'm not saying i'm not curious about the new dual core devices, but think about that for a minute: our single core phones go through a day - day and half with a 1540mA battery. Imagine the talk/standby time of those new phones with only 1650 and 1900 mA batteries. When sth just comes out, usually needs work. Like Win7, dual core phones, the android when it ws first launched.
So, i think i'm gonna wait a while before trying a new device.
Google Nexus S rules...

For the most part, I agree. There's nothing so appealing to make me want to ditch my current Nexus S, however, understand what "stock Android" means.
Yes, you get the latest Google updates, and you get the unhampered Android experience, but just be aware that Android is riddled with glitches ranging from minor annoyances to some pretty major issues. (Just to name a few off my head: keyboard issues, home screen icon and swiping issues, gallery issues, rebooting issues, SMS and MMS issues...)
As long as you understand that being on the Nexus line means you're essentially the "beta tester" for Google's Android iterations, then you shouldn't be disappointed. I'm just sharing my personal experience. I found many things critical about the Android experience on previous phones, but always had OEM skins to blame. On the NS, that excuse is invalid.

I too am fairly disappointed with all of the new phones (including the NS to an extent).
Atrix = Plastic, and has Moto's locked down bootloader (major negative, and if it wasn't so locked down, I may have made an exception for its cheaper build quality).
Inspire 4G = Nothing too impressive, still has HTCs horrible mic and speaker quality and probably a ****ty digitizer/touch screen.
HTCs entire new lineup: No dual core? No gingerbread for the Incredible? Minimal upgrades at best.
SGSII = Plastic.
Nexus S = Plastic.
I may be old fashioned, but can anyone other than HTC make a $600+ Android phone that isn't plastic? Or what? Combine HTCs metal build, Moto's excellent speaker quality, Samsung's sensitive touchscreen, and then tack on the true Google experience -- and there you have it, the perfect Android device.
Until then, the iPhone still has an edge over Android with their polished build quality. I'm probably going to get attacked with fanboi'ism (even though I've owned 3 Android devices in the last 2 years), but whatever... it's true... There always seems to be trade offs with Android devices, whether it's build, or OS fragmentation - it drives me crazy.
I'm going to be picking up an Android fun to bum around with, and it's most likely going to be the Nexus S when and if it arrives to Rogers, just because it's the next iteration of the Nexus One. I'll put up with the cheap build quality (I'll try really hard not to drop it) and call it a day.

Ill stay with my Nexy Sexy

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Combine HTCs metal build, Moto's excellent speaker quality, Samsung's sensitive touchscreen, and then tack on the true Google experience -- and there you have it, the perfect Android device.
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I 100% completely agree in that point
why it is so hard for all the manufacture to put all the best stuff together and make a perfect phone?
seems like every manufacture only specializes in 1 thing, but not the rest of the phone.
personally i wanted a phone for work and fun, so the Nexus S fit the profile, just a bit disappointing in the reception area, and speaker, it serves better as a PDA than a phone
for my girl i got her a Moto because it's radio and speaker perfect, it will always get a signal, it was designed as a phone, and it works as a phone

I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
P.S. Atrix might have a lot of things going for it, but the most major innovation I find in the Atrix is the huge battery and great battery life, without sacrificing phone size (in regards to thickness).

I'm sold on the idea of a google backed phone. Now I just need to save up for one of these and find a way out of my contract with sprint. I am just tired of the run around with updates between carrier/mfg. I think I am over the need for having the latest and greatest and can settle down with one device for a while until the newest nexus comes around. A small trade off in my opinion as I will still have the latest OS and support from great devs and plenty of time to save for the next one. Last plus for me is being able to get on a month to month service and no more contracts. I'm on my way over guys, just saving up some cash then its on ;-)
sent by an Epic4g through the cosmos

Have you seen the LG Optimus 2X reviews? Force closes and crashes left and right... talk about half baked.
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I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
P.S. Atrix might have a lot of things going for it, but the most major innovation I find in the Atrix is the huge battery and great battery life, without sacrificing phone size (in regards to thickness).
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So far none of these new phones make me want to give up my NS either.
Atrix - locked bootloader
SGS2 - too big, not a fan of the design - I want a search button!
LG 2x - its an LG lol
I may change my mind once I get to play with these phones

Alopez_45 said:
After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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+1
I have a Nexus S and it's awesome. Stock Android is the only way to go.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm still thinking of getting one, even with all the phones on the horizon. My upgrade from T-Mobile isn't until July. Tax return is burning a hole in my pocket... If only they had a car dock like the Nexus One...

DarkAgent said:
I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
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Would it be dumb to get a dual core phone with QUAD CORE phones right around the corner?
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Why Atrix 4G still worth buying!

I wrote a review on my blog why Atrix 4G still worth buying.
Meeting expectation & meeting money, the two main factors to buy a cell phone. In this modern era, smartphone has become an integral part of our life. Many think that we are now in a post PC world (I don’t yet think so!). However, buying a smartphone needs a lot of homework (if your budget is low).
My Motorola Atrix 4G
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When I was thinking to buy an smartphone, the first & foremost thing I had to think that I need to get an handset that’ll support for the next 1/1.5 years. However, I researched pretty much before buying & on that time within my budget Motorola Atrix 4G was the best budget phone. So I made the choice & bought my first smartphone from Motorola. I say after using nearly 7 months, I had made a great decision to buy this set! (Think! I’m telling this when there is Lumia 900, S2, S3, One X already released & Lumia 920, iPhone 5 in the horizon). I’ll tell you why this Atrix 4G still kicking ass!
Motorola Atrix 4G: Killer configuration with fingerprint reader
Remember when the Atrix 4G was launched in CES with the Dual Core processor? Man it’s the first Android that packs Dual Core processor! Just like S3 packed quad core for the first time! On that time, nearly every major reviewers like phonedog, phonearena, engadget, cnet – everyone took Atrix 4G pretty seriously wrote their review! Surprisingly, each one of them gave 4.0+ stars. You should’ve known already that it’s one of the best smartphone, ever Motorola produced!
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saiftheboss7 said:
I wrote a review on my blog why Atrix 4G still worth buying.
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Although it does have quite possibly the worst manufacturer support known to man (and would be basically useless without this community - we're still being held back by Moto on having proper ICS where all the other Teg2 devices now have it working properly), the build quality is not so hot (My Atrix is all creaky after about a year, and the USB port has become very flaky. My old hTCs are, as far as I can tell, indestructible.) and the screen is awful.
On the other hand, I do prefer the 4" form factor for a high-end phone by some margin though, these new ones are just too f**ing big and basically unusable one-handed. Still, I like HD displays, so I may have to put up with at least 4.3"... Plus, I'm glad Moto went for a decent capacity battery over an anorexic looking device. I'm actually quite impressed by the battery life of the Atrix running JB/ICS, when I can get the damn thing to charge.

saiftheboss7 said:
I wrote a review on my blog why Atrix 4G still worth buying.
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Atrix 4g released in February of 2011, not a 2010 smartphone. Atrix 4g not first dual core smartphone, LG Optimus 2x was.
Otherwise, yes, the Atrix 4g is a pretty respectable phone. Motorola really tried to pull out all the stops with it. It had multiple docks including the lapdock, had/has specs comparable to many mid-range phones a year and a half later, etc. I wish companies would try to do this more often. We haven't had Samsung do anything special - they've fallen into release a top of the line spec phone once a year and go from there. The Note is great, but they didn't promote it as well as they should have. Samsung and HTC and LG really need to make their phones common names. Spend money getting your name out there - it clearly works.

Atrix is the second bestieee.
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I'm happy with my Atrix, mostly due to the community.
/I could be happier though

The Atrix is still the most innovative and coolest super phone that I ever had (what other phone has a fingerprint scanner, which phone came with higher resolution than WVGA at that time?) and I'd happily recommend it if it was still available on the market!
Sent from that Atrix... Motorola, where's my ICS?!

I would give away the fringerprint scanner if it meant faster ICS.
I used that thing 3 times. Enough to see that it works when it wants to. If I have to apply myself and make the perfect slide everytime I need to unlock my phone then it's not a security feature, it's a boring one...

tatperson said:
The Atrix is still the most innovative and coolest super phone that I ever had (what other phone has a fingerprint scanner, which phone came with higher resolution than WVGA at that time?) and I'd happily recommend it if it was still available on the market!
Sent from that Atrix... Motorola, where's my ICS?!
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It's available on Amazon. Only $192

tatperson said:
which phone came with higher resolution than WVGA at that time?
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The Atrix's screen is only really 960x540 in luminance, if you only ever watch old black and white movies or only ever read text in shades of grey/white/black it's great. Introduce chroma, and it's really not the equivalent of 518,400 pixels any more (in fact, it has a lot less chroma resolution than a WVGA non-PenTile screen). I guess it's better than RGBG pentile like non-plus AMOLEDs (which can only render green at full resolution), but it's still crap.
I've not played with an HD PenTile screen, but going by the Atrix and Desire, I'd never have one again anyway.

DannyBiker said:
I would give away the fringerprint scanner if it meant faster ICS.
I used that thing 3 times. Enough to see that it works when it wants to. If I have to apply myself and make the perfect slide everytime I need to unlock my phone then it's not a security feature, it's a boring one...
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Better use of the tech would be using it for access to your passwords. Instead info prompted for a pin number for your bank account app or your login info for your credit card app, just swipe your finger.

rancur3p1c said:
Better use of the tech would be using it for access to your passwords. Instead info prompted for a pin number for your bank account app or your login info for your credit card app, just swipe your finger.
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YES! It totally needs a fingerprint enabled password manager app! That would be excellent!
Sent from my Atrix

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It's available on Amazon. Only $192
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If its that cheap, I'd consider getting another one if Im pressed for dolla bills.
Sent from my Nexus 7

No....it is not that worthy...

The build quality is an issue only if you don't use a case
and the phone is still smaller and easier to hold than all the other phones even WITH a case on it
anyone who sells this phone short either has money to blow and doesn't mind the $200-$300 extra for the "superphones" or don't recognize great tech when they see it.

I guess this would be a great to ask if the Atrix 4G is still a good phone.
You see I live in Brazil and have an iPhone 3G, and my parents live in the USA, and I want to send them some money to buy me a smart phone, the Atrix 4G seems like a REALLY good phone, and I am a phone addict, meaning that my iphone is Jailbroken and unlocked, I know all the ups and downs and etc of Cydia, so off course I would probably root and apply a custom ROM to the Atrix 4G.
On my iphone I mainly play games like Angry Birds and Where's my Water - so I guess the Atrix 4G is a good gaming phone right?
Other than that I would probably use it as an eReader when I am out of reach to my Nexus 7.
On Amazon there is this http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Atrix...words=Atrix+4G
So I guess when it says unlocked it SHOULD work at Brazil (I am always afraid of it not being unlocked to worldwide carriers and just US carries.)
Thanks in advance

probably they want better performance
for the cheaper price.
yeah. atrix is good phone but
NO NEON!!
if Tegra 2 chipset supported to NEON,
atrix will be a great device.
excluding heat...
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kkuuo said:
probably they want better performance
for the cheaper price.
yeah. atrix is good phone but
NO NEON!!
if Tegra 2 chipset supported to NEON,
atrix will be a great device.
excluding heat...
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I can't think of a single Android app I use that runs faster on a device with or without NEON. I'm sure there are some. But I wouldn't exactly call it a major failing of Tegra 2, or even consequential for most people.
And if you think the heat is bad on the Atrix, try an international SGS3 or One X running a game. Then you'll know the meaning of 'hot'