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Looking for fitting rom -->noob

hey guys,
im looking for all roms that would fit for my german o2 htc touch (elfin)
since im not really familiar with flashing my phone's rom id really appreciate your rom-offers i think i speak for the whole community if i request a list of available roms in the forums
additionally, id really love to know what cid etc are, because i dont have a clue whats important to know when im flashing my device.
thank you very much!

Try the forums for your phone instead of here.

SEARCH !!!!

Forum rules forbid to answer you as I want....
There are 2 words which would fit perfectly in this case....

What the HECK!!
This is becoming ridiculous!! You arent actually supposed to post question in this area period. It was created just for Software devs. And even after MODS and Especially the senior members took some sypathy toward ppl like this and started supporting the General PPC Questions thread, some ppl still do this stupid crap.
I understand that someone may have been able to actually search for an app, and not know the name, and therefore, couldn't actually find anything. But when you log on to this section, the very first thing you see , is GENERAL PPC QUESTIONS. I changed it yesterday to make sure there was no confusion about the qustions that could be posted there, and the word ROM was listed specifically.
Please , I am begging you, STOP ANSWERING THREADS LIKE THIS! I understand that alot of you are wanting and ready to help, but the more threads like this that get answered , the more they think they can get by with it. If I create a thread, ask a question, and let you do the work, why would I ever seach again. Oh , If you dont mind, check out the thread on top, and answer any questions you may be able to. Check out the new features to. It takes the work out of it. LOL

A simple request regarding people who don't read the Rules.

Alright people, it is time for me to get on my soapbox here, and say a few words to the community. The Wizard forums are getting really overloaded with ROM updating, bootloader, bricked Wizard threads etc, and it has got to stop.
It seems that every time I turn around, another member has posted something along the lines of:
Title=HALPZ!!!11! [email protected] ARE BRICKZORED!!!
And then in the post=I bricked my Wizard cuz I don no if it iz a G3 or G4 am using Vista PLEASE HELPS ME!
Then 20 minutes later they will post again;
What no one wantz to helps me? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, I know that this cannot be fixed, there will always be people that are not going to take the time to read for a few moments, but I ask you other forums members/mods/admins etc who frequent the Wizard boards, PLEASE DO NOT FEED THESE TROLLS! I have started to just provide links to the Wiki, or tell people to search for their answer instead of answering them. And before someone says it, I know that new users are the lifeblood and purpose of XDA-Developers, but this is just ridiculous.
Please take my words as constructive, not destructive people...anyone else feel the same way?

Interesant.....
Very interesant... but
I dont know when this community open his hard disks to the whole world and even if the principal threads are full of pages they started with similar problem that they have and post a new thread with this help lines... hahaha and in CAPS.
When my wizard was bricked (not bricked cause i just need to read a little more on wiki!) i think In that Goda Damn full threads no body's will answer me the fast I need to recover my phone... why? cause I saw that the answers was in 2 days even if I was conected a lot it dont even have a fast answer...
I know now that every stupid thing i did has a purpouse that is answer to the new Threads telling them that do a search... an extensive search and provide all the info that helps everybody to solve the problems.
Ashasaur I dont think erasing the new threads without feeding will imports but I think That mods can consider a number of posts to a reasonal answer... first of all redirect to the right posted and sticky but thats not all the clearly solved trouble cause we are very good... i think real good to send people to the hell!!! no no no to the hell not... mmm to the new threads... but why not personaly do the answer fully... saying go to this link... we will try to unbricks your device! but go to with him or her to that thread and talk about that to feed more the sticky info.
When that happnds and the newbie goes to there to talk to you call to a Mod ( in this case i think Mr Noonski is the one that most stay in wizard forum) to erase or block the thread....
We need to understand that this panic mode makes us, do, stupid things even if we already does it... Even if Im not a wizard User i saw the thread HEY YALL FILL YOUR SIGNATURE WITH YOUR INFO... higly ignored and thats just craps the good meaning of that thread.
The Purpouse of this Great and fully Community is to embrace new members with knowin answers to solve thir problems but making them read a lot and teach them a culture of read and be more organisated.
If I have write some words incorrectly... my appoligies, Im mexican and the english is not my natural language. Thanks for all the effort to the genious in this Forum I learn a lot and Im still learning cause even if I have hundreds of post... doesnt means i have the important to change somethings here. But the all of us effort makes, begans, and ends, when more newbies come with their new devices.
Honestly... + Que PPC
P.D.
Hey Ashasaur hopefully a new culture for this WEB community.
Keep the good work... this will gonna makes us think a little more, read a little more and ask a little more... I mean All Newbies, Members, Seniors, and Mods.

A noobs fustration in using this forum...

Okay I have been on this forum for a few months now and I still consider my self a noob it seems as though that magical search feature that everyone demands us noobs use is not too noob friendly and to prove this I documented my frustration when trying to get this nandroid thingy to work.
Supposed noob thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3816278&postcount=3
EDIT: I am 99.9% sure this will work with a PVT board. I am not sure about DVT BUT if you are willing to risk bricking your G1 to find out, that would be great Reboot in fastboot and make sure it says "DREA100 PVT"
First of all what the hell is a PVT board? And what the hell is fastboot??? UHh wait I have to do another search on this stupid PVT board and this stupid fastboot. Searching…..
Searched for fastboot here is what came up:
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...boot+&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
After clicking several search results there is not one single post that defines exactly what fastboot is or specifically what it does.
Searching for PVT Board……
And the results were: http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...G=Search&cx=000825531964825142534:cqr2sjirilw
Not one single related post that clearly states what a PVT Board really is. Okay that’s out the window, maybe I can figure it out by reading how people are talking about it. Fun stuff. Unable to decypther what the hell people are talking about, NEXT search!
Okay now I want to find out what the hell a nandroid backup is.
Searching Nandroid…
Wow First success!! First result takes me to this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459830
Oh no not again more words to search!!
Okay I see two strange words I do not know Busybox (wtf?) and adbd.
Searching Busybox….
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...sybox&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Results are not clear, just links me to some posts that have some RC30 release (is the RC30 busybox? That is still not clear. Other results refer to it as some kind of back up tool, I thought the nandroid was a backup tool? SO that goes out the door Next search adbd….
Searching adbd..... Nothing that directly defines what exactly adbd is, all I got was people talking about it but never directly referencing exactly what it is ( ex: “need some questions answered about adbd and debuggerd Dream android development.” Or “restarting adbd as root”) Maybe it stands for a dumb big day? God knows.
Okay back to the original Nandroid post because its really important that a noob does a back up just incase right?………
I decided to go ahead and proceed without knowing what those two words were (of course I’ll get yelled at by everyone for not searching if I make a post asking what they meant so no point in posting).
Oh this is probably my favorite part of the post!!!
LOL the easy part!!!-* How to use this (the easy part)
And below it is this sentence:
“Just boot your phone in recovery mode with the correct recovery.img (one that has adb shell as root + busybox installed with symlinks to tar, md5sum etc) and connect it to your pc/laptop/server. Then run the nandroid.sh script. If something is wrong or missing, it will tell you. “
So lets break down this sentince (as a noob) line by line.
1st line: Just boot your phone in recovery mode with the correct recovery.img
Recovery mode? I think that is the pressing of the HOME+END key or is it the END+CAM keys? Which do you mean????? My guess is the HOME+END.
2nd line: (one that has adb shell as root + busybox installed with symlinks to tar, md5sum etc) WOA dude what planet you on?!! This entire line makes no freakin sense to me. And I do not think searching will help us there. “one that has adb shell as root” WTF is the one that has adb shell???? And wtf is adb??? And symlinks to tar? Is that encrypted language for his secret lover to find him? Geez how is anyone supposed to learn by searching stuff like this?? Okay at this point im just about to give up on this whole damn back up and just live without it, next line….
3rd line: Then run the nandroid.sh script. If something is wrong or missing, it will tell you.
Umm HOW? How do I run the nandroid.sh script and on WHAT operating system? Mac, Windows, Linux??? The only thing wrong or missing is proper Instructions and good English course!!!
If you are going to post a tutorial please don’t assume that everyone knows what your talking about and skip over steps that you think are elementary when in-fact you will discover that sometimes not everyone knows what you are talking about.
BTW I found this tutorial here (where supposedly 95% of my questions are answered….. umm sure): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519523
Isnt this article supposedly posted to be in the pre-reading material before a noob posts questions?
This is not the only article that I found not to be noob friendly, in-fact I found very little articles that were noob friendly, here is yet another thread that I found to be rediculy confusing: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512453
When I first went to this thread (before knowing what WIPE meant) I was like WTF is this guy crazy. Then he goes on to talk about some crazy loop (which he does not state how or where you get this mysterious loop) then he goes and pasts some code that god knows where the hell your supposed to paste it, on the phone in the command prompt or is it only in the mac????
There are soo many more threads like the ones above. It is no wonder why noobs post the same questions over and over again, its because people assume that everyone else knows what their talking about and skip what they think are useless 2 or 3 steps, well I got news for you buddy, those silly 2 or 3 steps are probably the most important steps to beginner. I am still fairly new to this forum and still am having trouble figuring out what people are talking about. I just wish that there were some kind of rules or guidelines when writing instructions or how-to guides. The ONLY guide on this entire forum that I found to be clearly written and total noob proof is this thread here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502010 Everyone should take a few pointers from this person that wrote that thread, although he never stated the purpose of it at the start but that’s minor.
Sorry if I offended anyone but this is the ugly truth for us noobs, it really is hard when your first starting out and some one bashes you for asking a question that’s been asked before or the noob didn’t search. Well the search feature is not exactly that great and you almost always do not find the answer to that one noob question. And yes I am very grateful for all these great hacks and I am just posting this just out of frustration from having to constantly search and after having spent hours searching and searching. I am almost certain that I am not the only noob with this problem.
My next journey is Themes my G1 phone (God help me).
Thanks,
Abe

well the essential problem is that there will always be more noobs than not...no matter how many tutorials and guides that are posted it still will not be enough for some noobs...i did not know what i was doing myself but you first you have to understand what you are reading. so after a while after reading and searching the internet i understand what i am doing and am continuing to learn...this place was not meant to be a place for exacting directions and tutorials (ala development for Dummies)...
And i do not mean anything as an insult...i am just trying to explain that this is not an organized affair with a specific hierarchy, it is a community of developers experimenting and passing that knowledge off to others in the community.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519523
that link is from the first or second thread on the development section...reading through those will give you a lot of the answers your looking for....
and to be honest if you do not have a clue as to what the stuff your reading is then research the internet...otherwise you definitely should not attempt any of this stuff.

All I will say Is I managed to root my phone by reading multiple threads.
I actually started reading threads before I got my phone . It was confusing but thats why I kept reading . If i didnt understand something I would read over and over again. As far as finding out what busybox was I used regular old google search for that . Heres what i found based on that search.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox.
I have learned to not soley rely on the in forum search because it doesnt always seem that helpful. I think overall what the vets what is for the "noobs" to help themselves first before having someone hold their hand.

It is pretty ironic that you bought a phone featuring Google search and now want to hack it, and instead of taking time to actually learn searching techniques you write a page long rant on your incapability to do some simple research. If you cannot figure out what some of these basic terms mean, then you shouldn't be hacking your phone in the first place.
Also, what in the hell are you talking about? You say that we are asking you to search first, hello? You only have ONE post in our community, you haven't asked us ANYTHING.
Honestly, this forum is already very organized. Granted, you are a noob, but really, it isn't all that difficult. If there is something you just really can't figure out, ask it now, I would be happy to answer it for you.

SolemnWishing said:
It is pretty ironic that you bought a phone featuring Google search and now want to hack it, and instead of taking time to actually learn searching techniques you write a page long rant on your incapability to do some simple research. If you cannot figure out what some of these basic terms mean, then you shouldn't be hacking your phone in the first place.
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Take it easy, man. What's basic for one person may be quantum theory for another. Everyone isn't the same-we all perceive and learn differently. The noobs are tired of senior members telling them to search, and the senior members are tired of noobs asking redundant questions.
Also, what in the hell are you talking about? You say that we are asking you to search first, hello? You only have ONE post in our community, you haven't asked us ANYTHING.
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I think he means other noobs have been told to search when asking a question...
Anyway, OP:
the forums are huge and contain a boatload of information. If you don't understand a tutorial or certain terms, ASK. PM the OP of the tutorial or someone in the thread that sounds like they know what they are saying. Follow devs on twitter, and read extensively. Get involved.
You have to understand that there have been hundreds of noobs that only come here to ask "OMG HOW DO I ROOT??" without wanting to understand ANY underlying details. They get caught in a bootloop, get errors, or brick their phone because they don't follow directions and they want to hold devs responsible.
These people want the easy way out, so don't be surprised if senior members and devs here are hesitant in replying to a thread that has been started countless times before. Also, every one here has a life (almost everyone ), so they may not always be available 24/7 to answer unimportant (to them) questions.

I've been with this forum for little over a year now and search function may not be the best but does help a lot. I've started out with the dash, mda, tilt and now the g1. i've just been recently been posting because everything everyone does here is great. I still consider myself a noob and still learning. Ranting like this doesn't really help, spoon feeding noobs gets tiresome and i can see why the seniors gets frustrated. All you need is the patients to read thru the posts and not get blown away with all the lingo and information overload that gets yourself more confused.
This is a community built by the community no one expects to get payed for helping out, so be thankful for what this forum bring. [/rant]

I don't see whats hard about this forum.
I just followed the guides and I was set.
This is a DEVELOPER forum, so I expect it will be a little difficult to use

You don't take physics before taking elementary school math.
That's the way I look at.
But I partially share your thoughts.
I am the first to agree that a search button or Google are your best friends.
What makes a successful search, though, is your choice or keywords or phrases. And I've run into those times that had I known the proper combination of terms to use (one's that would weed-out the bizillion of results that don't relate), I would have easily found the proper answer. I've gotten buried in search results that lead to endless threads only to find out that the Google search I did for "Android Bluetooth Cupcake" might have been better had I narrowed it further with "Android Bluetooth +"File Transfer" +application". That was probably a poor example, but you know what I mean. Searching for broad and common terms usually turns up useless results, we give up in disgust, and that's when some of the redundant posts get made. I also continue to have trouble decided whether a post belongs in the "Dream" forum or the developer forum. And we won't even go into whether they belong in the developer forum, app forum or theme forum. To me, they all cross similar boundaries at times.
There are lots of other forums that are intended for end-users with technical questions. They break things down in easier to understand terms (at least for me). Most of them link to XDA for the downloads, but they offer support on their own forums. I frequent XDA the most, but I still haunt the ubber-newbie sites as well. I still learn from them.
One last thing... It's been said that the internet is akind to the wild, wild west. Forums and mailing lists are usually the worst. If there wasn't some type of moderation/control over XDA, there would be telling how deep we would have to wade to find one meaningful post. I'm as guilty as the next person of wanting immediate answers when I think I've ruined a $400 phone. Luckily, I think the rescue tutorials here are fairly good at outlining the needed steps. No, they may not explain what's happening with each step along the way... but they do give you the necessary steps to get you out a bind. If you'll remain calm, follow the steps, not expect your hand to be held during the process, and only resort to asking for help when all else fails, you'll probably get your phone working the way you want it AND learn along the way. It's the equivalent of junior high vs a college or university. Once you make a conscious choice to go beyond what's required, you're expected to do a lot of the work yourself without the teacher constantly having to offer a refresher course on the basics.
Just my opinion.

Damn double post

[Q] Can you guys teach me the ropes!?

I am new to modding phone and all that great stuff and I have NO idea where to start or what any of the terms are that I see used. I don't know about any software to be able to DL the themes other create or any of that. If some of you guys can give me some insight of what I am doing that would be a great Christmas gift!! So in other words can you guys help me lol

Hello there...
It's been four days since you've posted this question without any responses. Care to guess why?
This forum typically expects its members to do some basic research before posting a question or a problem. At the very least, a simple google search would turn up most of the answers to your questions.
What is perceived as laziness on the part of the OP is never rewarded...frankly, I'm surprised you haven't been flamed yet.
My advice - start reading.
Cheers

here, its a sticky in the development forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701245
the truth of the matter is no one wants to help you. Hell, even while I was learning to cook roms and reaching out to people no one would ever answer my questions. However, you can easily learn EVERYTHING you need to know simply by browsing the forums and reading. Unless you're reading a tutorial that someone specifically created almost nobody is going to spoon feed you....
If you HAVE questions you should really learn to master Google. It's amazing how learning to use a search engine can transform your life. It's all about asking questions and using descriptive keywords. "how to flash rom evo" will tell you a lot, "android what is root", etc.....

[Q] Can newbies have directly support from other xda-users?

I am a newbie to Android operating system. As many other newbies, I got a lot troubles and puzzles when using my android phone, recreating themes or modifying ROM, etc... Then I have to post a new thread on forum and waiting for an advice. Sometimes it takes a lot of time just for a easy bug fix.
Therefore, I wonder if some experienced android users can leave their gmail address so that newbies like me can add as buddies in g-talk in order to asking for advices in some cases.
Thanks.

Best advice I can give you is to start here reading the Noob bible, read read read, then once you are more familiar with the phone, I would join one of the developers personal website forums. The people in there can and will give you advice, you can look into EDT forum, TW etc. All these groups have a varying level of skilled people in each of their respective website forums. But, before launching over to one, you need to have some education, and understanding so you can ask useful questions.
Good luck............. android is a great platform

oka1 said:
Best advice I can give you is to start here reading the Noob bible, read read read
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99% of the time, all the "easy bug fixes" that you're referring to have already been addressed and resolved. I have been at this a while and have yet to start a new thread because my questions have either already been asked/answered, or I just figure it out myself. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people asking legit questions, but members starting new threads about common questions is a little irritating and shows a lack of effort in my opinion.

My bad - accidental repost.

Yeap I see, thanks a lot. ^^

if you need help feel free to pm me, no offense but i dont like leaving my email address around especially with everything i use it for. I generally check my XDA pms atleast once a day, keep in mind that i don't have time to walk you through everything step by step which is where the noob guide comes in. However i will always be willing to point you towards resources that will either instruct you on what to do unless its an incredibly difficult topic in which case ill do my best to asist.
Cheers

make a thread, pm me, ask for my number w/e I'll help you out..
I'm one of the most active users in the vibrant section