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I am currently a G1 owner on the fence about rooting my phone, as are many others. One of the first issues I've come across is being overwhelmed by forum threads. Unless I have missed something (and if I did, please point me in the right direction!), everything is posted in forums here, requiring people to pour through tons of posts and pick through the right information.
Is there an official wiki or something where all the latest news, guides, FAQs, etc. are being updated? If not, I'd love to start one, but unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to do so (yet, at least). I'm thinking of a super simple, jargon-free site for users to find answers to their questions, and a simple outlined "official" process for how to begin and where to go from there.
For example, some FAQs..
Can T-Mobile/Google "cut me off" in any way if they determine I have rooted my phone?
If I change my mind later, can I go back to original firmware and leave no trace that I ever rooted the phone in the first place? Future over-the-air updates will install with no issues?
Let's say I mess up during the rooting process. Is there always a way out, or am I screwed?
How safe is storing apps on the SD card? What can happen to my phone, and how do I avoid problems?
What are the JFvX.XX firmware releases? How do they work? Are they required? Are there other alternatives?
What if a future OTA can't be hacked, will we miss out on features?
I've seen various different methods of rooting the G1, which one is the most popular and why?
etc.
This is just an idea, but there's all these questions like this that I know many people have. While these questions can easily be answered in forums, I'm looking for a more convenient solution for the community. As official answers are nailed down, it would be great to have a reference to check with rather than flooding forums with questions.
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work from the developers here. It's really exciting to follow, and I can't wait to see what the future holds for the G1!
they have one:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
look first
kay11224 said:
they have one:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
look first
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Thanks for the link, but unfortunately this doesn't seem user friendly (it's filled with unexplained links and jargon), and seems pretty outdated. I'm thinking about info aimed the average n00b end-user here, not developers or people actively following the forums and progress made.
I'm not sure if you understand fully what you're asking. Keeping your phone updated without "actively following the forums and progress made" is a simple task right now, just wait until Google pushes an update for you. If using the search function is too hard for you, I think root access is biting off more than you can chew. All of your FAQ's can easily be found in the development section of the forums. As far as step by step guides are concerned, read the stickies, use the search function, and then ask. It's not complicated at all.
dudinatrix said:
Can T-Mobile/Google "cut me off" in any way if they determine I have rooted my phone?
If I change my mind later, can I go back to original firmware and leave no trace that I ever rooted the phone in the first place? Future over-the-air updates will install with no issues?
Let's say I mess up during the rooting process. Is there always a way out, or am I screwed?
How safe is storing apps on the SD card? What can happen to my phone, and how do I avoid problems?
What are the JFvX.XX firmware releases? How do they work? Are they required? Are there other alternatives?
What if a future OTA can't be hacked, will we miss out on features?
I've seen various different methods of rooting the G1, which one is the most popular and why?
etc.
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1) as far as i'm aware no. They can remove apps from peoples phones (allegedly) but i can't see how they would know you have root, or even care. It's good publicity for the phone if anything.
2) Yup, you can easily un-root your phone and the updates should work correctly.
3) Once you have the hardSPL bootloader loaded it's pretty much impossible to brick your phone, see this thread for details.
4) Not sure about this, so i can't comment
5) the JF firmware releases are essentially hacked firmwares, created by JesusFreke, that allow us to get root access (among other things ). they are incredibly easy to install and they are required for certain things such as, multi-touch. as far as i know, there are no alternatives.
6) They will be as everything is open source. I imagine xda will have a firmware hacked within hours of it's release
7) personally, i find this way the best. nice n simple and easy to follow.
have fun
Iceucold said:
I'm not sure if you understand fully what you're asking. Keeping your phone updated without "actively following the forums and progress made" is a simple task right now, just wait until Google pushes an update for you. If using the search function is too hard for you, I think root access is biting off more than you can chew. All of your FAQ's can easily be found in the development section of the forums. As far as step by step guides are concerned, read the stickies, use the search function, and then ask. It's not complicated at all.
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I am perfectly capable of handling root access. I am a Linux system administrator (among other things) by profession. I admit, this would be my first attempt at "hacking" a device and thus voiding the warranty, hence my hesitation and "noob" questions. Using the search function is not my concern here, but I can appreciate where you're coming from.
What I'm talking about, and what appears to be misinterpreted, is an information source for common end users, not developers or tech-savy users. If I have questions about rooting the G1, certainly those less technically inclined do as well. And unfortunately for them, they don't necessarily even know where to begin looking. I'm talking about people like my brother in law, for example... who probably never used a forum in his life, but wants to have multi-touch on his phone, or change his themes, or find a solution to his constant "low storage" warnings. People like him don't care about hacking into the phone and getting all this flexible access for himself. They just want to take advantage of what's already been achieved, but unfortunately require root to do so.
I agree that it is pretty simple to root the phone, but face it you have to be somewhat comfortable with technology first, even just to obtain the information.
Perhaps now isn't the appropriate time to wrap things up in a bow and give to the general G1 user base in a tidy little easy-to-digest package. As things develop further it may just naturally come about, perhaps via installers or something. I just think it would be helpful to many to have a source written for the common folk with jargon-free information... considering the more people get their hands on it, the more successful the platform can become.
And to Metlus, thanks for being receptive and answering my questions kindly without making me feel judged for asking what I assume many think is a "just search for it" type of post.
Meltus said:
1) as far as i'm aware no. They can remove apps from peoples phones (allegedly) but i can't see how they would know you have root, or even care. It's good publicity for the phone if anything.
2) Yup, you can easily un-root your phone and the updates should work correctly.
3) Once you have the hardSPL bootloader loaded it's pretty much impossible to brick your phone, see this thread for details.
4) Not sure about this, so i can't comment
5) the JF firmware releases are essentially hacked firmwares, created by JesusFreke, that allow us to get root access (among other things ). they are incredibly easy to install and they are required for certain things such as, multi-touch. as far as i know, there are no alternatives.
6) They will be as everything is open source. I imagine xda will have a firmware hacked within hours of it's release
7) personally, i find this way the best. nice n simple and easy to follow.
have fun
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Great post meltus!
If and when you do decide to root g1 take your time and breathe, really isn't too hard just nerve racking the first time. I did it and im not a pro at all so you will probably breeze through it! The advancements made so far are unreal, auto browser, themes and many more make rooting well worth it in my opinion
I'm not sure if it gets any easier than this, but gizmodo today posted what looks like the easiest "recipe" yet for rooting the G1:
How To: Hack Android For Multitouch Web Browsing on the T-Mobile G1
Well, it's more than just questions.
I have the HD2 and I really enjoy it. Think it's a great piece of hardware. WM6.5 gets the job done for the most part, but I can understand some of the concerns with the OS. It's good to hear that you guys are already working on WM7 and the port to this phone!
Truth is, I put my coin in google's corner, so I'm hoping that Android finds its way into the HD2 via T Mobile.
I'm a bit tech savy, been involved with computer animation and can build computers as well. I thought I ask about the learning curve when it comes to development on PDA's such as mine. With the drop of Android, I flirted with the idea of learning code.
Is Android Linux based?
You guys hear anything about Android getting a port to this phone? I've done the google search and can only find the sprint version of HD2 with Android installed. That does nothing for TMobile customers.
I read up a bit on XDA and they appear legit. My concern is code being used for identity theft. Anyone have bad experiences with XDA and the software that is released here for share? Does the software under go some sort of QA before it's provided for download?
I have no problem with donations, trust is what earns my donations...fair enough, right?
Ultimately, I really like this phone and look forward to further enhancing it...I hear XDA is the place to be!
Thanks guys/gals.
FAQ's and sticky threads are your friend as is google.
Try reading abit, get a feel for the site.. Then ask..
Yes Winmo7 is being ported to the touch HD, though at the moment it's sluggish due to lack of graphical acceleration (and not really something i"m excited by since it doesn't have copy and paste and no multitasking. IMHO it's really more like an iphone/toy meant for none-techy people).
I don't expect an official update/ROM for the HD2 with android to ever be released by htc/tmobile. However, I would be surprised if one wasn't ported by xda from other devices (like nexus/evo 4g).
Yes, android is unix based. (develepment done in java (for upper stuff) and C (for lower stuff)).
Anything you download and install from xda you do so at your own risk. However, I would argue that the risk is minimal (almost none existent) as long as you follow directions and read posts. The only thing that can brick your phone is a failed radio/SPL update/change. Anything else can be cured by a hard reset.
(and what kable said)
As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads
ephestione said:
As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads
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Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!
Devils1stBorn said:
Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!
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oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums
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oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums
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Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.
Devils1stBorn said:
Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.
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If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated. T-Mobile US Rom Development Forum
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!
Hi,
A bit irrrelevant to reply here, but I did not any other place. Have been following this forum for quite sometime. Been around with windows mobile app development for sometime. But what really interest me is when people from this forum tweaks Rom image or port to other harware. Here things look quite easy. Is it really easy? I saw one single person tweaking a ROM image and porting to different hardware?
Hope I have not offended anyone.
- Herojit
Toss3 said:
If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated.
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!
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Thanks. And no, it only allows me to uninstall apps I've installed after the initial setup. I've been through system files and the sorts and I can only find icons and other "blah" that's not the actual install directory. I show all the hidden files and still, can't find it.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Android. Don't need the dual boot. Just a solid port with solid drivers.
Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit
herojits said:
Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit
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Say what?
What's with your post?
OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!
FloatHeavy said:
OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!
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Epic fail.
one thing that has been alittle pain is how the albums are viewed. i created an album for videos, yet when i view I can't have a name of the file visable, just a thumbnail. that doesn't work well at all. works fine with pictures cuz what you see is what you. videos start with a black screen; becomes a guessing game. am i missing something?
Hi. Thinking about CPU and the big screen, I think it will be very nice to have Ubuntu in Adam. What do you think?
Also I won't want to lose Eden. So I think we need something like HTC HD2 owners have. (They can start Ubuntu from the SD card like they opening a normal application as far as I saw) What do you think? Can it be possible for our Adam tablet too?
Anything is possible just put ur mind into it
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It should be similar with HTC HD2. The good thing is, their project is open source
can90 said:
It should be similar with HTC HD2. The good thing is, their project is open source
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Please let me know when a good solution is found. I am keen to have it on my Adam.
That way, I don't need to worry about the warranty issue?
I would love to see this too. Really hope that some developer here can port the ubuntu to Adam. Please please please please
Why will you install Ubuntu on Adam? Is the new Maverick Meerkat fully mature on the touchscreen?
A lot of stuff needed here. I'll make a place holder in Development section with some necessary steps and such.
If anyone wants to make this happen though we need Eden Plus to be successful as full root and unlock will be required. Help out with that process first and then we can focus on Ubuntu.
if you install natty dont forget to pin libc6 to 2.12
Ubuntu port on Adam
Check this one if it helps...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931214
Also, I saw some activity regarding Ubuntu port to Adam on NIH and tabletroms, some while ago.
Lets hope that this comes together eventually. I'd love to try it out on Adam
Hi, I too am waiting to see the development move ahead. It seems the attention is on Honeycomb these days.
$25 for the person recognized as having ported Ubuntu successfully on the Adam, either here or on TabletROMs.
kinda tired of android
I'm kinda tired of android. I just got an HP Veer and webOS is pretty nice. Only issues I have had so far is posting to message boards like what am doing right now. I got through it but had some trouble. Sorry off topic
I have loaded ubuntu onto my adam following the steps on the dev thread. I can't post there because I new here. Well I'm not new here I just don't post much. I've been reading posts for six months now but rules must be followed! Again off topic.
Ubuntu works. I have a question. I was trying to install a USB ethernet device and ran
Code:
modprobe --list
and came up with
Code:
FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32.9/modules.dep
I looked and only found a /lib/modules/2.6.32-1208-omap4 directory. I might have screwed up a symlink and I was hoping someone could let me know where the modules.dep file should link to.
Still waiting for tillum, rayman and paronnax to resume their work on ubuntu, especially now that nVIDIA have released the first alpha of Linux4Tegra 12, based on Natty.
I read this post by Tillum on the Ubuntu Methods development thread.
It is very disheartening to note that developers have lost interest, but that was inevitable given the low volumes and disappointment associated with the tablets. On the other hand, quite a few of us users are interested in getting a real operating system on the Adam.
I am sure that any successful port would be easily transferable to other Tegra 2 devices as well, and so efforts won't be wasted.
If we can help in any way, just let us know.
My wife is on a 2 month vacation and I'm about to have a lot of spare time....
I want to learn the android platform properly from the ground up.
I own a TF and an HTC HD2. I have already been through the learning curve of rooting, flashing ROMs, installing CWM, pushing and pulling files with ADB and setting permissions - but I've always done this by following instructions from other on threads here at XDA. I'm skilled with computing in general (particularly telephony, networking and web) but am pretty N00bish with Linux and currently suspect that Java is witchcraft.
I try really hard to look stuff up for myself instead of asking questions so please be nice because I'm not asking for a handout. There are so many threads on here and I don't know which are still relevant etc...
Can anyone please direct me to some resources for learning the real "nuts and bolts" of Android?
I have a couple of months to work really hard at this and then I will try and contribute as much back to the community as I can.
Read all of Googles documentation on Android if you wanna know about it. Read man pages and everything else if you wanna learn Linux.
eli.kennedy said:
My wife is on a 2 month vacation and I'm about to have a lot of spare time....
I want to learn the android platform properly from the ground up.
I own a TF and an HTC HD2. I have already been through the learning curve of rooting, flashing ROMs, installing CWM, pushing and pulling files with ADB and setting permissions - but I've always done this by following instructions from other on threads here at XDA. I'm skilled with computing in general (particularly telephony, networking and web) but am pretty N00bish with Linux and currently suspect that Java is witchcraft.
I try really hard to look stuff up for myself instead of asking questions so please be nice because I'm not asking for a handout. There are so many threads on here and I don't know which are still relevant etc...
Can anyone please direct me to some resources for learning the real "nuts and bolts" of Android?
I have a couple of months to work really hard at this and then I will try and contribute as much back to the community as I can.
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Wow. You sound like me coming jumping into DOS back in the day. There are plenty of books available (and XDA of course) but ya know.....I learned more from screwing up my old IBM 8088 (orange display...yikes!) than almost anything else. Having the possibility of an expensive paperweight tends to REALLY motivate one to learn!
You're in the right place, IMO, for specific task-assistance. (If ONLY XDA existed in the early-mid 80's!) There's a wealth of information and tons of good people who were where you are now. Willing to pay it forward....search the forums and ask.
Reading...experimenting...reading....experimenting....and of course...BACKING UP are great tools and habits.
i had an old computer from work and installed Ubuntu on it to mess around with linux. I haven't tackled java yet, but that is on the agenda. Get familiar with the command line!
Hey all,
Although I'm new here, fantastic forum, thanks for being so great!
However, I'm surprised by the lack of stickies or posted notes regarding the basics of hacking the NST. Mods, admins, can we make this happen? If we're still reading about people bricking their devices because they read something wrong, or the wrong post on something--heck, even then main, backup, article has an error where on Linux: dd if=/dev/sdb of=my_backup.img bs=1M *but* on
OS X: dd if=/dev/disk3 of=my_backup.img bs=1m <-notice the small "m" or it won't work.
There seem to be a few topics we could have posted:
1. Backing Up & Restoring.
Heck, I'll even make a guide like in iClarified so that kids don't brick their devices by trying to restore to their 250mb "backup" that they made because they didn't use Noogie.
2. Rooting - and the various ways to do it/benefits of each method
3. Jailbroken: Now What? guide to the first few things to do after having rooted.
4. How to transfer files to the NST.
5. List of compatible software (and maybe bluetooth hardware?)
If we have these 5 topics I think many would be saved much grief, n00bs would have a good resource, and even old-timers could check in and see what's new without having to have individual threads bookmarked.
Mods, can we make this happen?
Cheers,
-Feliks
I'll help with making some of the guides
Do you want to "sign up" for any of the above? What do you want to write a guide for? Pick something, and then I'll edit my first post with your name beside what you want to do. That way, we don't accidentally have more than one person working on the same piece.
Cheers,
-F...
I'll sign up for writing a guide. Currently I'm trying to introduce the B&N forums to rooting, and the current thread on rooting is for 1.0.1.
A lot of this is actually covered already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1380400
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1346748
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475613
The problem is that the forums lack organization, and therefore unless there's constant chatter on one of these pages they're all pushed deep into the bowels of the forum, some stuff and "projects" have been completely lost and forgotten until someone decides to post and it's brought to the front, like XorZone's Reading Now button mod.
I think it'd be nice to see something similar to this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22036179&postcount=10
In which a post completely discusses the differences between all the different methods, and an index like: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1380400 in which he tried (unsuccessfully) to have people not post in that thread, while posting a list of all the latest tweaks and hacks and work arounds.
The only problem I see with this idea is a problem we're already having regardless of lack of organization, and that's people not completely reading what they're doing before they do it. There are plenty of cases where people have killed their devices because they were unable to read and follow directions, instead writing TouchNooter or CWM or whatever directly to the nook, trashing the /rom in the process.
Currently I'm working on making a good tutorial (with pictures) that will cover all parts of the rooting process, like backup, choosing a method, actually rooting, setting it up after rooting, etc.
I'll be posting it on the B&N forum, partly because the people looking for it on there won't know how to do most of what we consider basic stuff, and for now I'll just be editing it in this post. I don't like the B&N forums...
Have some copypaste
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In the other rooting thread, it links to a website that is not updated, so it can confuse many people, and if the tutorial from the other thread is used on a Nook Simple Touch running the 1.1.0 update, it will make your Nook fail to turn on! While it does have a link to a tutorial for people using the 1.1.0 update, it doesn't go very indepth, and also uses a more outdated rooting method, and while it still works, there will be some issues that have been resolved with later roots.
Here is a link to a good Nook Simple Touch rooting community (this line is a link to the site), where you can get the newest rooting methods (there's only 2 major ones, with one old minor one). You'll find the rooting methods in the "Nook Touch Android Development" forum, and if you're somewhat good with computers you should be able to just pick a method and follow the instructions provided by the author of the rooter. For the rest of the people reading this, just keep reading this; you'll find detailed instructions telling you how to backup your Nook and root it, along with pictures. Unfortunately, there isn't a video (yet).
As you read through this, be sure you do NOT skip any part of it, even if you think you know how to do something already. There are a lot of people that have skipped over the instructions and disregarded the warning to make a backup before they began, and have had some problem while rooting and couldn't fix it.
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Here, have a brief overview of the rooting process! This is not intended to be used in place of the actual instructions to root your Nook.
Write a disk image to a Micro SD Card.
Put the mSD into your Nook while it is off.
Turn on your Nook, then back up your Nook using the mSD.
Write a different image to your mSD Card.
Put the mSD into your Nook while it is off.
Turn on your Nook, then wait while it is rooted (depending on the rooting method you chose).
Enter some details your Nook needs so you can use the Android Market and several other things work.
Enjoy.
It's not an altogether difficult process, but it does take some time and you need to have a few things first. You need:
A Nook Simple Touch. I will refer to it as the NST.
Your Nook needs to be registered prior to rooting. After you root you will not have the chance to register.
A 128MB or larger Micro SD Card.
You MUST have a way to connect your Micro SD Card to your computer using an adapter. You CANNOT just put the card in your Nook and plug your Nook into the computer and write the image through that. If you do, your Nook will be broken.
A program to write disk images to your Micro SD Card. If you use Windows, use
Your Nook needs to be connected to the same WiFi network as your computer.
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Oh wow, I just realized how big this is going to be... I haven't even made the tutorial itself yet! Also, feel free to comment and suggest what should be added. For now, I need to take a break...
Googie2149 said:
[...] I'll be posting it on the B&N forum, partly because the people looking for it on there won't know how to do most of what we consider basic stuff, and for now I'll just be editing it in this post. I don't like the B&N forums...
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I wonder if poking a stick at B&N like this is really a good idea, particularly by those who are not the actual creators of these tools. What comes of all these efforts when B&N's legal department decides that XDA is infringing on their rights, especially in the day of take-downs? How much of various rooting tools might they decide they own? What do we do when guys like Gabrial start getting C&D notices?
I prefer to link to external references from the B&N forums so at least someone has to make an effort to see the material. There are definitely some folks over there who think we're abusing B&N by not buying apps from them to support their "subsidized" pricing. The more we're in their faces, the more likely we are to get a response, and I can't think of a good one.
bobstro said:
I wonder if poking a stick at B&N like this is really a good idea, particularly by those who are not the actual creators of these tools. What comes of all these efforts when B&N's legal department decides that XDA is infringing on their rights, especially in the day of take-downs? How much of various rooting tools might they decide they own? What do we do when guys like Gabrial start getting C&D notices?
I prefer to link to external references from the B&N forums so at least someone has to make an effort to see the material. There are definitely some folks over there who think we're abusing B&N by not buying apps from them to support their "subsidized" pricing. The more we're in their faces, the more likely we are to get a response, and I can't think of a good one.
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Oh... Didn't think of that. :/
Googie2149 said:
Currently I'm working on making a good tutorial (with pictures) that will cover all parts of the rooting process, like backup, choosing a method, actually rooting, setting it up after rooting, etc.
I'll be posting it on the B&N forum, partly because the people looking for it on there won't know how to do most of what we consider basic stuff, and for now I'll just be editing it in this post. I don't like the B&N forums...
Have some copypaste
Oh wow, I just realized how big this is going to be... I haven't even made the tutorial itself yet! Also, feel free to comment and suggest what should be added. For now, I need to take a break...
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Just a few pointers, first, some people don't feel a need to backup their devices before rooting, secondly, depending on root method, that backup may be done automatically anyways so adding it in as a required step for rooting may confuse people and frustrate others.
Your line where you explain a second adapter doesn't flow well, and in my case is very confusing, even knowing exactly what's needed.
You must have an external microSDCard reader or this will not work. Using the Nook Simple Touch can result in it becoming unusable.
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It expresses the same information and flows well enough that it should make sense to even the most technologically inept user.
A program to write disk images to your Micro SD Card. If you use Windows, use
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This is going to mean very little to someone who has no experience "burning" images to an SDCard, Micro or Otherwise.
Your Nook needs to be connected to the same WiFi network as your computer.
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If the person has already registered a WiFi connect isn't completely necessary depending on again root method. Also the Nook doesn't need to be connected to the same WiFi network as a computer, someone could put together a MicroSD card and do this sitting in a cafe without a computer after buying a brand new MicroSD card (depending again on root method).
Another thing I want to point out is that the repetitiveness in a guide will frustrate people who just want to get it done and over with and may drive them to skip parts of the tutorial or even miss important steps.
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bobstro said:
I wonder if poking a stick at B&N like this is really a good idea, particularly by those who are not the actual creators of these tools. What comes of all these efforts when B&N's legal department decides that XDA is infringing on their rights, especially in the day of take-downs? How much of various rooting tools might they decide they own? What do we do when guys like Gabrial start getting C&D notices?
I prefer to link to external references from the B&N forums so at least someone has to make an effort to see the material. There are definitely some folks over there who think we're abusing B&N by not buying apps from them to support their "subsidized" pricing. The more we're in their faces, the more likely we are to get a response, and I can't think of a good one.
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I agree that it's a bad idea to put this all right in their face on their website especially considering progress people have made on XDA towards bug "fixes" that B&N probably won't even acknowledge. You may end up with them just removing the post completely on the one hand, on the other you may end up in them going after XDA, myself, or anyone else who has worked on root if it got pushed too far.
However people can't get up in arms about "not buying apps from them" because B&N doesn't have an App store for the Nook Simple Touch, they have made no claims to ever putting one on this device, and I believe even if we tried to pressure them into adding an App store the community would be split right down the line about whether or not it was truly needed.
This is the same reason it's so hard to find anyone willing to port say CM7 or CM9 to the nook simple touch, people don't believe there's a reason or purpose to even do it. Developers and plenty of the B&N community see the Nook Simple Touch as nothing more than a device in which to do reading. So to them there is no need for the extra apps.
GabrialDestruir said:
[...] However people can't get up in arms about "not buying apps from them" because B&N doesn't have an App store for the Nook Simple Touch, they have made no claims to ever putting one on this device, and I believe even if we tried to pressure them into adding an App store the community would be split right down the line about whether or not it was truly needed.
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Good point. I'm on the NC discussions too. For the NST, scratch apps and substitute "ebooks". The same players will be equally upset about evil rooter hackers installing the Kindle app, or anything that links to Project Gutenberg, I'm sure.
This is the same reason it's so hard to find anyone willing to port say CM7 or CM9 to the nook simple touch, people don't believe there's a reason or purpose to even do it. Developers and plenty of the B&N community see the Nook Simple Touch as nothing more than a device in which to do reading. So to them there is no need for the extra apps.
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To a point, I agree. It would be nice to have CM7 or CM9 as the basis for a customized NST experience, but an alternate shell will probably meet 80% of that target. There's the "hack value", of course. I'm actually quite happy with my rooted NST running just a few more things than B&N thinks I should. I really like their hardware, and battery life is delightful. Anything that compromised battery would be a move backwards, IMO.
Admins, senior members-
regardless of whether or not a certain guide is "good" yet, can we agree that it would be good to have a few "sticky" posts, so that the good ones don't get buried where they would be hard for users to find?
Formally, then, I request:
1. Sponsorship of this project by a moderator--I/whoever else can do the editing, what have you, but we just need to start to get organized.
2. Does anyone *disagree* with the list that I made at the beginning? Being:
a. Backing Up & Restoring
b. Rooting - and the various ways to do it/benefits of each method
c. Jailbroken: Now What? guide to the first few things to do after having rooted.
d. How to transfer files to the NST.
e. List of compatible software (and maybe bluetooth hardware?)
I'll break each part into a section, and will have a main index so that people can skip to where it's relevant.
So, moderators! Do we have a sponsor? Fellow users! What is missing from this list? Or is it good enough?
*cracks his knuckles*
Let's do this.
-F...
bobstro said:
Good point. I'm on the NC discussions too. For the NST, scratch apps and substitute "ebooks". The same players will be equally upset about evil rooter hackers installing the Kindle app, or anything that links to Project Gutenberg, I'm sure. To a point, I agree. It would be nice to have CM7 or CM9 as the basis for a customized NST experience, but an alternate shell will probably meet 80% of that target. There's the "hack value", of course. I'm actually quite happy with my rooted NST running just a few more things than B&N thinks I should. I really like their hardware, and battery life is delightful. Anything that compromised battery would be a move backwards, IMO.
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I think the only reason I'd want to CM7/9 on this and it's the major reason is to enable Wifi tethering, while this may seem stupid for the average Nook Simple Touch user due to lack of 3G/4G or whatever. I honestly think the ability to toss on infrastructure tethering and PAW server with the piratebox plugin could make the Nook Simple Touch, easily one of the simplest and easiest PirateBox setups. Giving it a long battery life even with wifi running (Did a Wifi On test, and before I turned Wifi off got something like 9 days and still had 25% left). I'm sure others could find other reasons to want CM7/9 on here but I think that'd be my main reason.
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[...] I honestly think the ability to toss on infrastructure tethering and PAW server with the piratebox plugin could make the Nook Simple Touch, easily one of the simplest and easiest PirateBox setups. Giving it a long battery life even with wifi running (Did a Wifi On test, and before I turned Wifi off got something like 9 days and still had 25% left). I'm sure others could find other reasons to want CM7/9 on here but I think that'd be my main reason.
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You mean as a PirateBox server? The NST wouldn't be able to sleep then, so battery life would be significantly reduced, wouldn't it? Still not bad compared to some devices.
Unfortunately, my home is in an area that's too sparse for any sort of community mesh network. I always thought that would be a fun project.
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I'll help with making some of the guides
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Same here, that would be fun.
Not letting this thread die. *bump* let's do this, folks!
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You mean as a PirateBox server? The NST wouldn't be able to sleep then, so battery life would be significantly reduced, wouldn't it? Still not bad compared to some devices.
Unfortunately, my home is in an area that's too sparse for any sort of community mesh network. I always thought that would be a fun project.
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Well with some sort of CM on there you most likely you could allow the device to sleep while leaving Wifi and the server active. Either way even with the device "awake" it wouldn't be really that much of difference I think as long as nothing was messing with the infrared. Even if you were doing some reading I still think you could get more than a dozen hours, though that would depend on how busy the server is too.