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samsung captivate leaked firmware seems to fix gps issue

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=751518&page=10
Good news, hopefully its legit and its software.....
Here's a video of proof. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ65sS8nbRE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Update on compass: jhego says it works, also says compass view works in google maps... he also used gps navigation for 15 mind straight without losing the route .... some good looking stuff...
Originally Posted by smashpunks Awesome. Thanks again. This will put my mind at ease and I can sleep well.
Originally Posted by smashpunks Awesome thanks for this update.. one last thing if ya could... check google maps street view in compass mode... no hurry just wondering.. may be a seperate fix but still interesting to know.. Thanks again for your testing...
Man, that's sick! I haven't used that mode before. I can tell you that it works__________________(2007-2008) CID/SIM Unlocked ATT Tilt(2008-2010) Unlocked Blackberry Bold 5.0.0.681(2010- Current) Rooted Samsung Captivate
UPDATE 2: some people are reporting no fix or worse... hmmmm.. what's going on. Half say its getting great locks and others not... maybe its a location thing?
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If the GPS is fixed in this rom, can we have some crow for the people saying it's not fixable via firmware?

heygrl said:
If the GPS is fixed in this rom, can we have some crow for the people saying it's not fixable via firmware?
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Agreed. People getting 8 satellites locked..... awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ65sS8nbRE
6/6 INSTANTLY! 7/7 shortly after... yep, I'd say it's fixed

heygrl said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ65sS8nbRE
6/6 INSTANTLY! 7/7 shortly after... yep, I'd say it's fixed
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Yes. This makes me very very happy.. now IMO its a perfect device... (hope not speaking to soon but I'd say its fixed also)...

Neat.
Has anyone been able to test out the compass? Whoever is making these videos, could someone ask them to demo Google Sky Map / Street View?

but this isnt for the vibrant right? or can it be ported over since they are so close to each other?

Jon C said:
Neat.
Has anyone been able to test out the compass? Whoever is making these videos, could someone ask them to demo Google Sky Map / Street View?
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I'm having the dude test the compass... also even if this exact thing don't work on vibrant.. its proof that its software and fixable
.. that's all I really wanna know...
Update on compass soon....

It's the firmware for the Captivate, which flashes for different radios and so forth. It could be ported, but it would be a lot of unnecessary work.
To be honest, I find the idea of flashing different ROMs to be stressful. I stopped using my jailbroken iPhone because I grew tired of keeping up with flashing and jumping through hoops. I just want Samsung to fix the phone with an OTA, so I can go back to my normal life.
So, we have no word on a fix for the Vibrant. But one can assume that a fix on AT&T will find itself on the T-Mobile device.

Jon C said:
Neat.
Has anyone been able to test out the compass? Whoever is making these videos, could someone ask them to demo Google Sky Map / Street View?
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Your the dude wanting to bail on the vibrant right? Its cool I understand . Hopefully this changes your mind...

Jon C said:
Neat.
Has anyone been able to test out the compass? Whoever is making these videos, could someone ask them to demo Google Sky Map / Street View?
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Jon C said:
It's the firmware for the Captivate, which flashes for different radios and so forth. It could be ported, but it would be a lot of unnecessary work.
To be honest, I find the idea of flashing different ROMs to be stressful. I stopped using my jailbroken iPhone because I grew tired of keeping up with flashing and jumping through hoops. I just want Samsung to fix the phone with an OTA, so I can go back to my normal life.
So, we have no word on a fix for the Vibrant. But one can assume that a fix on AT&T will find itself on the T-Mobile device.
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The fix is leaked from samsung .. we will get one too. Point again is its fixable, we never knew this before till now.
Although its still not been said if its 100% working.. could be a start though

No, it's a great piece of encouragement. Still, unless something is said soon, I will probably return my phone until the official fix is out. I can always purchase it again at a later date. It's encouraging to see a leak from Samsung fix the problem, but I'm sure you can understand: $500+ is a lot to spend on a phone.
Keep delivering the good news. Hopefully the Compass has been fixed as well. I really love TouchWiz, and was dreading the possible jump to HTC Sense.

Jon C said:
No, it's a great piece of encouragement. Still, unless something is said soon, I will probably return my phone until the official fix is out. I can always purchase it again at a later date. It's encouraging to see a leak from Samsung fix the problem, but I'm sure you can understand: $500+ is a lot to spend on a phone.
Keep delivering the good news. Hopefully the Compass has been fixed as well. I really love TouchWiz, and was dreading the possible jump to HTC Sense.
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I can understand your view.
For me it is also encouraging that samsung really is trying .

This is encouraging news. Hopefully it's true and I can quit obsessing with it

This gives me a damn hard-on.
My phone locked & rebooted* itself twice today, while trying to use GPS. And I was in Mountain View, even - buncha bull****.
-bZj
*when it does this routine, it resets the volume on the system (thus the startup sound) to maximu8m - makes me even angrier!

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don't recall anyone saying it couldn't be fixed - can you point us at one?
the consensus opinion has been no one knew whether it was firmware or software
and btw, while this is good news, we're not totally certain this is a permanent "fix"
if it's still working in 2 or 3 weeks for the folks that installed it, then it might be considered a fix

larryccf said:
don't recall anyone saying it couldn't be fixed - can you point us at one?
the consensus opinion has been no one knew whether it was firmware or software
and btw, while this is good news, we're not totally certain this is a permanent "fix"
if it's still working in 2 or 3 weeks for the folks that installed it, then it might be considered a fix
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Regardless its getting 8 satellite locks for a lot of people .. that's never happened before ... this is a leak so not even official. So official may even be better ....

I was very concerned about the compass as I wasn't convinced that could be fixed via firmware basd on what I saw in the GPS service screens (seemed laggy even straight from the device). Eugene373 posted a fix to GPS for rooted phones here ://to.ly/5TFy (add http to follow the link). I installed it and it fixed both GPS and compass for me personally. This for me was proof positive tha there will be an official Samsung fix released to solve this issue.
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larryccf said:
don't recall anyone saying it couldn't be fixed - can you point us at one?
the consensus opinion has been no one knew whether it was firmware or software
and btw, while this is good news, we're not totally certain this is a permanent "fix"
if it's still working in 2 or 3 weeks for the folks that installed it, then it might be considered a fix
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down8 said:
This gives me a damn hard-on.
My phone locked & rebooted* itself twice today, while trying to use GPS. And I was in Mountain View, even - buncha bull****.
-bZj
*when it does this routine, it resets the volume on the system (thus the startup sound) to maximu8m - makes me even angrier!
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Mine has been doing it for a couple of weeks and I finally got fedup with this routine and called TMO and complained. I'm getting a replacement Vibrant in 3 days or so but I'm not holding my breath on it working any better really although I hope that it won't freeze and reboot at least. This official fix can't come fast enough because this GPS caused freezing and rebooting is really getting to me at this point.

epic 4g has working gps, good news for us?

http://www.engadget.com/
If they are running the same gps hardware and theirs works, means its software .....
http://www.engadget.com/

So...the GPS hardware in the Vibrant and Captivate is identical to that in the Epic 4G, right?

dex1701 said:
So...the GPS hardware in the Vibrant and Captivate is identical to that in the Epic 4G, right?
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I sure hope so. If so it is 100% software

smashpunks said:
I sure hope so. If so it is 100% software
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Yeah, that's my concern. If the hardware is identical this is good news...if not it doesn't really help us much.
I wish they would give more info about GPS performance on the Epic...number of satellites locked, cold lock time with no aGPS, etc.

dex1701 said:
Yeah, that's my concern. If the hardware is identical this is good news...if not it doesn't really help us much.
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Yea true, but why would it be any different?
Not like in the month since they really got complaints would they have changed hardware...
I agree though. We need to know for sure if its the same hardware...

smashpunks said:
Yea true, but why would it be any different?
Not like in the month since they really got complaints would they have changed hardware...
I agree though. We need to know for sure if its the same hardware...
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Yeah, it's probably the same. I'm just slightly concerned that they might have done things a little differently 1.) because it's a CDMA phone and it might be a tad different anyway and 2.) because Samsung has likely known about the GPS issue since before the Galaxy S was released. I don't know if they would have had time to tweak anything in the Epic's hardware, but here's hoping they didn't.

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Yeah, it's probably the same. I'm just slightly concerned that they might have done things a little differently 1.) because it's a CDMA phone and it might be a tad different anyway and 2.) because Samsung has likely known about the GPS issue since before the Galaxy S was released. I don't know if they would have had time to tweak anything in the Epic's hardware, but here's hoping they didn't.
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I just don't see what could be defective in our hardware causing a issue, could, but I just don't see it. Here's to hoping they kept things the same and just got it properly working.

smashpunks said:
I just don't see what could be defective in our hardware causing a issue, could, but I just don't see it. Here's to hoping they kept things the same and just got it properly working.
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I agree. When it works, it works well and it works fast. I've found that if I turn off wi-fi then turn it back on again it sometimes gets things to move. Or if I open TeleNav then exit again (before even seeing a map), the GPS seems to work for a bit. The fact that it is so intermittent makes me think it is software related. Hardware problems usually don't show up as working perfectly, then not at all, then sucking, then perfectly again.

Tpavey said:
I agree. When it works, it works well and it works fast. I've found that if I turn off wi-fi then turn it back on again it sometimes gets things to move. Or if I open TeleNav then exit again (before even seeing a map), the GPS seems to work for a bit. The fact that it is so intermittent makes me think it is software related. Hardware problems usually don't show up as working perfectly, then not at all, then sucking, then perfectly again.
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That's some good points, I mean how could that gps chip gets released not working? And why wouldn't it work? I believe they will fix this, especially if we find out the gps chip in the 4g is the same as the GSM ones.....
Roll it out with froyo early Sept and shock us all is my dream.lol

Trust but verify, as the man said said. So I want to see some rigorous testing by peers here before making a decision.
Nonetheless, the fact that Samsung would go on the record about the Epic is good news for Sprint. The fact that the statement is still weaseling about the September update to "optimize GPS performance" on the Vibrant and Captivate -- a different status than that bestowed on the Epic in the statement-- is a little troubling.
An optimistic reading of the statement might be that the reason Sprint delayed the rollout of the Epic -- and it apparently was delayed, according to the scuttlebutt on Sprint forums -- was to make time to incorporate the new firmware. That's what I would have tried to do, if I were Sprint management. Also, Sprint may have started sooner or accelerated the effort to ensure that the branded variant of the firmware was "tested and validated." Hopefully, T-Mobile and AT&T will also attain that status.
In my personal opinion, I find the general design and features of the Epic interesting compared to the Vibrant. Since my marriage vows to T-Mobile are not yet renewed, I might consider jumping to Sprint. But I wouldn't commit to either until I am convinced there is not a hard-stop GPS issue. One thing in Sprint's favor is that they offer a 30-day grace period for testing and trial, as opposed to T-Mobile's 14 days.

boomerbubba said:
Trust but verify, as the man said said. So I want to see some rigorous testing by peers here before making a decision.
Nonetheless, the fact that Samsung would go on the record about the Epic is good news for Sprint. The fact that the statement is still weaseling about the September update to "optimize GPS performance" on the Vibrant and Captivate -- a different status than that bestowed on the Epic in the statement-- is a little troubling.
An optimistic reading of the statement might be that the reason Sprint delayed the rollout of the Epic -- and it apparently was delayed, according to the scuttlebutt on Sprint forums -- was to make time to incorporate the new firmware. That's what I would have tried to do, if I were Sprint management. Also, Sprint may have started sooner or accelerated the effort to ensure that the branded variant of the firmware was "tested and validated." Hopefully, T-Mobile and AT&T will also attain that status.
In my personal opinion, I find the general design and features of the Epic interesting compared to the Vibrant. Since my marriage vows to T-Mobile are not yet renewed, I might consider jumping to Sprint. But I wouldn't commit to either until I am convinced there is not a hard-stop GPS issue. One thing in Sprint's favor is that they offer a 30-day grace period for testing and trial, as opposed to T-Mobile's 14 days.
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Why does every take the word "optimized" as bad? That's basically all of needs. I just don't see that as a negative statement ...
I for one hate keyboards.. the more moving parts the more hardware issues.. coming from a tp1 and tp2, I just don't like how buttons feel after a while . Tp1 keyboard died and the tp2 keyboard keys stopped working unless pressed hard.
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I like the flash and the texturized back.. its cool... gonna be a rocking phone.
I definitely wouldn't change providers for the same phone, but that's me..
I just hope sprints is fixed and we got the same hardware.
I bet we got to wait now because samsung put all the Time in getting the sprints version out and working.. now hopefully its our turn..
Our waiting will pay off soon I'm sure of it.

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Why does every take the word "optimized" as bad? That's basically all of needs. I just don't see that as a negative statement ...
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I agree. Perhaps they don't understand what it means. Just sayin.

I used the fix on the development section for stock roms and did exactly as it told changed servers cleared gps data and ran a test until i got atleast 10 gps sat locks now it rocks its literally all up in my cool aid now.
I always feel like somebody's watching me!

DKYang said:
I agree. Perhaps they don't understand what it means. Just sayin.
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Inconceivable!!!

well, apparently, the gps fix is now coming in the next few weeks according to engadget mobile via an anonymous t mobile rep.
It seems like Sprint rushed the new firmware to get the Epic out ASAP, while T Mobile and AT&T are taking their time to test the new firmware. Others have reported speed increases as well.
It would appear that t mobile is now testing the firmware. If this is the case, I would expect it sooner rather than later. Early to mid september now sounds very likely.

clivo360 said:
It would appear that t mobile is now testing the firmware. If this is the case, I would expect it sooner rather than later. Early to mid september now sounds very likely.
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Actually, if you read the T-Mobile memo -- the part meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it indicates that the final rollout to all end users might slip beyond September (my emphasis):
The software update is expected to roll out beginning in September.
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Epic GPS FTW!

Originally posted by: kngyn19
Looks like the Epic's GPS is indeed working correctly! Confirmed by Samsung and Engadget!
Linky:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/18/samsung-says-gps-is-tested-and-validated-on-epic-4g-our-testi/

I wonder if they use the same gps hardware as the GSM counterparts ?

I would guess their firmware is different enough that they fixed it before releasing the Epic. Someone mentioned that may be the reason for the supposed delay.

The EPIC and Fascinate are CDMA devices. It might take a littler longer to reconfigure stuff versus GSM.

My own reaction to this news, posted in a sister forum, is more cautious optimism.
And if Sprint management did delay the release of the Epic to incorporate a fix to the GPS, good for them. If that is true, it would seem advantageous for them to make some statement to that effect. If they keep quiet on the matter, I have to wonder why.

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My own reaction to this news, posted in a sister forum, is more cautious optimism.
And if Sprint management did delay the release of the Epic to incorporate a fix to the GPS, good for them. If that is true, it would seem advantageous for them to make some statement to that effect. If they keep quiet on the matter, I have to wonder why.
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Maybe they want those worried about the GPS issue to rest assured but don't want to start a discussion about it where average consumers won't buy the Vibrant and Captivate variants after hearing there is a GPS issue..

gTen said:
Maybe they want those worried about the GPS issue to rest assured but don't want to start a discussion about it where average consumers won't buy the Vibrant and Captivate variants after hearing there is a GPS issue..
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The average consumers that have the vibrant or captivate don't even know it had issues.. and some don't. We here on xda are the exception..
Most sprint customers don't even know its the same phone.. let alone know about a gps issue...
Sprint really don't need to say anything to anyone.. us here at xda are a small margin of their sales..

I honestly don't care as long as the GPS is working. For the $400 bucks i'm going to be paying for this phone (Sprint wants a $150 deposit before I can get the phone), I expect the GPS TO BE WORKING.
Im happy they are saying the GPS works but i wont believe it until I see it. I am out and about on a daily basis and use GPS just as much.

boomerbubba said:
My own reaction to this news, posted in a sister forum, is more cautious optimism.
And if Sprint management did delay the release of the Epic to incorporate a fix to the GPS, good for them. If that is true, it would seem advantageous for them to make some statement to that effect. If they keep quiet on the matter, I have to wonder why.
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Yes.. imagine how that would go "Buy the best phone Sprint has to offer... GPS doesn't work but we'll work on it AFTER you buy the phone!" or maybe "This phone is great, GPS doesn't work but we'll fix it before you buy it!!!" ... either way it doesn't look good for the company, so keep it hush, delay it and people will get it when it comes out. The only ones *****ing about the delay are the ones on these forums which is 0.000003 of their sales.

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Yes.. imagine how that would go "Buy the best phone Sprint has to offer... GPS doesn't work but we'll work on it AFTER you buy the phone!" or maybe "This phone is great, GPS doesn't work but we'll fix it before you buy it!!!" ... either way it doesn't look good for the company, so keep it hush, delay it and people will get it when it comes out. The only ones *****ing about the delay are the ones on these forums which is 0.000003 of their sales.
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That's the kind of spin Sprint would have to make if it released the phone with the GPS defect, and without fixing it first.
I was talking about a more positive statement in light of this news from Samsung. Sprint could affirm that there are no GPS issues on the Epic. And if there were issues in prerelease, but they held off to fix them first, that is a very positive thing to brag about. (And, by implication, a swipe at the two U.S. competitors who released defective products and are still awaiting new firmware in September.)

I hope this is true. I dont understand it though. I have read in many deferent places that they are working on a new driver to fix gps issues in all the other galaxy s phones. How did the fix the issue with out the new driver? If this is true then this makes me worried they will never really fix the captivates gps since the epic is fixed with the same gps driver.

I have asked multiple people who have the Epic for review purposes, and all of them state that there is no GPS problems. Things are looking good!

shep211 said:
I hope this is true. I dont understand it though. I have read in many deferent places that they are working on a new driver to fix gps issues in all the other galaxy s phones. How did the fix the issue with out the new driver? If this is true then this makes me worried they will never really fix the captivates gps since the epic is fixed with the same gps driver.
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My guess is they did fix it..but probably want to fix all the other issues at the same time before mass pushing the update..like say the lag fix and etc..or maybe they will just include the gps fix and froyo together....either way if they release it we may be able to extract the driver and use it on the others..

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My guess is they did fix it..but probably want to fix all the other issues at the same time before mass pushing the update..like say the lag fix and etc..or maybe they will just include the gps fix and froyo together...
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Huh? In the wake of Samsung's public announcement that the GPS works on the Epic while the other brands are still awaiting new firmware, you think Sprint would secretly be planning to omit that fix and launch with the same defect they have? That is just crazy.
The implication of Samsung's statement is that the Epic firmware is already tested and installed on the units about to be sold and shipped. There would not need to be any pushing of a GPS update for Sprint phones.
If that is ambiguous to people, that is all the more reason for Sprint to make a statement about this.

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My guess is they did fix it..but probably want to fix all the other issues at the same time before mass pushing the update..like say the lag fix and etc..or maybe they will just include the gps fix and froyo together....either way if they release it we may be able to extract the driver and use it on the others..
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Yes you are right. If they do have the gps fix we should be able to port it over to the captivate. I wil have to return my captivate before the 30 days then get the epic and see what happens. If they fix the captivate I may go back to it since I love the slim look and design.

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That's the kind of spin Sprint would have to make if it released the phone with the GPS defect, and without fixing it first.
I was talking about a more positive statement in light of this news from Samsung. Sprint could affirm that there are no GPS issues on the Epic. And if there were issues in prerelease, but they held off to fix them first, that is a very positive thing to brag about. (And, by implication, a swipe at the two U.S. competitors who released defective products and are still awaiting new firmware in September.)
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Now that would be great. Sprint launching a commercial attack on AT&T and Tmo... Go with them, you'll have phones that can't make calls and can't guide you to your destination! Not so smart for a smart phone huh?

I would lol so hard if they did a commercial like that. It is nice to see a company think of the end user and not about the $. I am testing the gps fix from the epic dump. So far it looks good. It locks the sats fast and shows me with 5m of my location(Use to never go below 30). I will test the gps when I go to lunch and see if it tracks me correctly.
Edit: I used my gps at lunch and it worked a lot better. It didnt jump from street to street and change route over and over. Its usable now but its still not as good as n1\evo. It will lag pretty bad then jump to your location. If the epic radio does not have updated code for gps that fixs lag issue then I would say gps is not really fixed just improved. I think we will have to wait till September to see if it gets fully fixed.

shep211 said:
... I am testing the gps fix from the epic dump. So far it looks good. It locks the sats fast and shows me with 5m of my location(Use to never go below 30). I will test the gps when I go to lunch and see if it tracks me correctly.
Edit: I used my gps at lunch and it worked a lot better. It didnt jump from street to street and change route over and over. Its usable now but its still not as good as n1\evo. It will lag pretty bad then jump to your location. If the epic radio does not have updated code for gps that fixs lag issue then I would say gps is not really fixed just improved. I think we will have to wait till September to see if it gets fully fixed.
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Exactly what are you "testing" here? I gather you don't have an Epic. So you are you somehow running some hacked form of what you believe the "GPS fix" is -- drawn from the Epic dump -- on the hardware of some other Samsung S variant such as a Captivate. Right? Can you please describe the steps you used to set up this test environment. What is it about the Epic dump that you are calling "the GPS fix," and how did you apply it on the other hardware? Did you flash a ROM, change config files, or what?

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Exactly what are you "testing" here? I gather you don't have an Epic. So you are you somehow running some hacked form of what you believe the "GPS fix" is -- drawn from the Epic dump -- on the hardware of some other Samsung S variant such as a Captivate. Right? Can you please describe the steps you used to set up this test environment. What is it about the Epic dump that you are calling "the GPS fix," and how did you apply it on the other hardware? Did you flash a ROM, change config files, or what?
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He is talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=759976

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He is talking about this:
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Thanks. What I see there are three hacked "experimental" versions of a "fix," none of which even purport to replicate the Epic environment completely. [Edit: I gather it was the "fix" supposed to be drawn from the Epic that was tested.] (For example, shep211 himself questioned how this can be a fix without new drivers. I agree with that criticism. But how do we even know what drivers this environment has?)
So it is not valid to run this test, which showed a less-than-successful GPS performance, and declare on the basis of that test that the Epic fix is incomplete as shipped.
The Epic fix may or may not be complete. We don't know that. We can't know it until a real Epic is tested rigorously.

Stay FAR away from Vibrant/Captivate or any other Galaxy S variant

For those thinking about getting the Vibrant/Captivate or pretty much any variant of the Galaxy S DO NOT.
I contacted them via FB and this is the only answer they sent me
"We are working on it. We're sorry about this issue. Please be patient as we know how important this is. Thanks for reaching out!"
I have just received and activated my phone with dum, dum, dum... AT&T and this phone has nothing but GPS issues while I have to admit everything else works fine and is definitely fast.
There is absolutely no way of it accurately doing a turn by turn Navigation with Google Maps.
Ive even resorted to doing a supposed fix and nothing if anything it made the major problem worse.
Same has been reported with the T-Mobile version of the phone.
I highly regret leaving T-Mobile now because the reception was a lot better with them as well.
No wonder tons of people bad mouth AT&T, LOL.
Proof below, stick to the other manufacturers guys... Samsung is testing the waters and these phones should have NEVER been released prior to having it 100% functional.
---->> http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/samsung-galaxy-s-gps-gate-two-problems-not-one-and-what-to-do/5#comments

legend221 said:
For those thinking about getting the Vibrant/Captivate or pretty much any variant of the Galaxy S DO NOT.
I contacted them via FB and this is the only answer they sent me
"We are working on it. We're sorry about this issue. Please be patient as we know how important this is. Thanks for reaching out!"
I have just received and activated my phone with dum, dum, dum... AT&T and this phone has nothing but GPS issues while I have to admit everything else works fine and is definitely fast.
There is absolutely no way of it accurately doing a turn by turn Navigation with Google Maps.
Ive even resorted to doing a supposed fix and nothing if anything it made the major problem worse.
Same has been reported with the T-Mobile version of the phone.
I highly regret leaving T-Mobile now because the reception was a lot better with them as well.
No wonder tons of people bad mouth AT&T, LOL.
Proof below, stick to the other manufacturers guys... Samsung is testing the waters and these phones should have NEVER been released prior to having it 100% functional.
---->> http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/samsung-galaxy-s-gps-gate-two-problems-not-one-and-what-to-do/5#comments
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Why didnt you wait for g2?

Hey OP!
Have you EVER tried the Vibrant or Captivate? I have the Vibrant and I have had no problems with the GPS. I use the turn by turn directions daily!
You need to know what you are talking about! Yes, there is a documented problem, but that doesn't mean that the GPS is unusable, and NO I haven't applied the GPS fix.

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Why didnt you wait for g2?
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Ive bought Samsung phone before and I haven't ran into any major issues like this.
The G2 would definitely be a better option.
Thinking Im going to jump to the Sony X10, I hear that they are going to have the CyanogenMod on it pretty soon.

rwbarnes67 said:
Hey OP!
Have you EVER tried the Vibrant or Captivate? I have the Vibrant and I have had no problems with the GPS. I use the turn by turn directions daily!
You need to know what you are talking about! Yes, there is a documented problem, but that doesn't mean that the GPS is unusable, and NO I haven't applied the GPS fix.
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You're trying to come at me like everyone is going to have a working unit Barnes.
Just because YOU got lucky doesn't mean anyone else that buys it will.
There is already a "fix" in the works for units that have faulty GPS but whether it works or if its actually able to fix the issue is another story.
Read this and please don't post again if YOU don't know what you are talking about.

rwbarnes67 said:
Hey OP!
Have you EVER tried the Vibrant or Captivate? I have the Vibrant and I have had no problems with the GPS. I use the turn by turn directions daily!
You need to know what you are talking about! Yes, there is a documented problem, but that doesn't mean that the GPS is unusable, and NO I haven't applied the GPS fix.
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Maybe you are also confused, bring up an address and press the option that says navigation.
See that big blue area around your position THAT is not true GPS and it is only guessing where you are from cell towers.
Like others have said it will not accurately tell you where you are, you can not trust the voice directions at all.
That is faulty and yes Samsung, AT&T, T-Mobile and any other service provider should not be selling these units until it is fixed.

legend221 said:
Maybe you are also confused, bring up an address and press the option that says navigation.
See that big blue area around your position THAT is not true GPS and it is only guessing where you are from cell towers.
Like others have said it will not accurately tell you where you are, you can not trust the voice directions at all.
That is faulty and yes Samsung, AT&T, T-Mobile and any other service provider should not be selling these units until it is fixed.
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That Little blue arrow that tells me EXACTLY where I am on the map as I'm zooming down the freeway and accurately tells me every exit as I'm passing them? I know what I am talking about! And the turn by turn instructions work for me and it re-routes when I miss a street.
OK!!!! You all! You know EVERYTHING and I know NOTHING!
That is all! Sorry for putting in my 2 cents!
By the way, I've been on Android since the G1 in November of 2008. Rooted with the first Jesus Freke roms thru Haykuru and Dudes roms to Cyan and have been doing the same with my Vibrant.
But OK. You guys are THE EXPERTS.
And by the way, you guys never stated whether or not you own a Vibrant.

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By the way, I've been on Android since the G1 in November of 2008. Rooted with the first Jesus Freke roms thru Haykuru and Dudes roms to Cyan and have been doing the same with my Vibrant.
But OK. You guys are THE EXPERTS.
And by the way, you guys never stated whether or not you own a Vibrant.
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I only own G1 & Mytouch Slide, not interested in the Vibrant like my KB's.

buy whatever you want
ive gone thru so many phones since 09, from the g1(when it first came out), hd2, n900, x10 and finally the vibrant. the hd2, n900 and x10 in a matter of 4 months. didnt like windows mobile from being used to android. n900 wasnt what i expected it to be. loved the x10 but only running 1.6. i didnt root it because I eventually bought the vibrant.
only issues i had were facebook syncing and contacts being tripled and gps in searching for a location while in house, but GPS worked FINE when I was on the road. wish i had a car dock for it at the time but will eventually get one.
OP, if you knew of these reasons, such as lag or because of the gps not working properly, then why did you buy it in the first place? i dont think barnes was getting at you, but damn dude, someone's sensitive. no one told you to buy it despite some of the imperfections the phone has. its like people saying sony shouldnt have released the x10 with 1.6 but rather have froyo but they still buy it. and if your response is to root it to get 2.1 or 2.2, i dont think the avg. customer for phones would have any idea of what you are talking about.
you cant please everyone on here. alot of people on xda either want to be a mod or just bump stupid posts because they didnt get an answer within 3 hours.

Returned my Samsung Captivate and is officially back to the HTC Dream/G1 until further notice.
Feeling better already, I can always get that phone when and if the GPS issue is worked out.
That was pretty much the only flaw it has at least on the phone I returned.

steveruv said:
ive gone thru so many phones since 09, from the g1(when it first came out), hd2, n900, x10 and finally the vibrant. the hd2, n900 and x10 in a matter of 4 months. didnt like windows mobile from being used to android. n900 wasnt what i expected it to be. loved the x10 but only running 1.6. i didnt root it because I eventually bought the vibrant.
only issues i had were facebook syncing and contacts being tripled and gps in searching for a location while in house, but GPS worked FINE when I was on the road. wish i had a car dock for it at the time but will eventually get one.
OP, if you knew of these reasons, such as lag or because of the gps not working properly, then why did you buy it in the first place? i dont think barnes was getting at you, but damn dude, someone's sensitive. no one told you to buy it despite some of the imperfections the phone has. its like people saying sony shouldnt have released the x10 with 1.6 but rather have froyo but they still buy it. and if your response is to root it to get 2.1 or 2.2, i dont think the avg. customer for phones would have any idea of what you are talking about.
you cant please everyone on here. alot of people on xda either want to be a mod or just bump stupid posts because they didnt get an answer within 3 hours.
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In that respect I did mess up.
Was expecting the Captivate to rock my socks off but all it did was make me mad due to the GPS issue.
I didn't know of these problems until after my phone arrived.
Its stupid for Samsung to not get those fixes out asap as that is their flagship phone.
I heard the X10 is very close to getting Cyanogen on there.. definitely a major advantage there vs. the Samsung development that's going on

if cyanogen is working on the x10, then the x10 will have alot of potential.
did you switch back to tmobile since you're back to using the g1?
btw, how often were you using the gps on the road? give the vibrant a chance, im sure the kinks will be worked out.

steveruv said:
if cyanogen is working on the x10, then the x10 will have alot of potential.
did you switch back to tmobile since you're back to using the g1?
btw, how often were you using the gps on the road? give the vibrant a chance, im sure the kinks will be worked out.
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The X10 does seem like a better choice for now mainly in part to the CyanogenMod potential.
Im still on AT&T, Ive closed my account with T-Mobile.
I was using the gps on a regular basis thats why it had to be refunded as a replacement was more than likely to have the same issue.
Samsung has always had a bad track record with updating thier phones and I didnt want to be stuck waiting for an update that may take too long to be relevant.

I've just gotta jump in with my $.02 right quick here...
Not trying to piss anyone off, but damn you all cry too much! IT's A PHONE!
And on top of all that, it has an Operating System on it! So essentially, it's a COMPUTER! And what do computers have????? ISSUES!
So, quit *****ing. Flagship phone or not...It's going to have issues. It's a new device. Duh. haha
Basically, when it comes down to it, if a device were PERFECT in every standard, then EVERYONE would have one. And sense there is no such thing as PERFECT, good luck.

tribalartgod said:
I've just gotta jump in with my $.02 right quick here...
Not trying to piss anyone off, but damn you all cry too much! IT's A PHONE!
And on top of all that, it has an Operating System on it! So essentially, it's a COMPUTER! And what do computers have????? ISSUES!
So, quit *****ing. Flagship phone or not...It's going to have issues. It's a new device. Duh. haha
Basically, when it comes down to it, if a device were PERFECT in every standard, then EVERYONE would have one. And sense there is no such thing as PERFECT, good luck.
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Yeah its a phone that should work my G1, HTC Shadow all work with gps and they are old phones compared to the Samsung Galaxy S.
If you prefer not to hear my advisement to everyone about this phone, DONT CLICK ON THE THREAD!

legend, so you're using the g1 on at&t's network?
the captivate is using bing, correct? there's no google maps on there? maybe that was the problem.
i guess im fortunate to have my gps on point when i'm driving, but once i eventually root, etc, then maybe the gps will lock in almost my exact point, and not off 1 or 2 blocks.

steveruv said:
legend, so you're using the g1 on at&t's network?
the captivate is using bing, correct? there's no google maps on there? maybe that was the problem.
i guess im fortunate to have my gps on point when i'm driving, but once i eventually root, etc, then maybe the gps will lock in almost my exact point, and not off 1 or 2 blocks.
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AT&T network, Yes I am.
The captivate is using Google Maps but has the option in using AT&T's version of it and they both were not working.
I tested how many GPS satellites it picked up through the LBSTestMode menu and it got me no where even if there were 1 or 7 available.
Once rooted it was the same story unfortunately even with all these workarounds on xda and other sites.

Further proof that the Samsung GPS issues continue....
See Samsung Facinate review released for Verizon on SEP 9, 2010 here ------->> http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-Fascinate-Review-review-r_2529-p_4.html

EB13 Update pulled by Sprint due to issues.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/62961?tstart=0

I like how it has "baw" right in the URL.

Haven't they updated almost everyone's phone ota? What are they gonna do to the people.they updated?
Sent from my Evo Killer!!!

musclehead84 said:
Haven't they updated almost everyone's phone ota? What are they gonna do to the people.they updated?
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My wifes epic didn't get the OTA yet.
Not sure, they are working on another release though.

Can't wait for new phones. I'm jumping off the Samsung train at the nearest stop.
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At least we got the source code. I wonder if it will still be eb13 or something else. Damn I hate this. It will take another 6months to.get a fully working version.
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musclehead84 said:
At least we got the source code. I wonder if it will still be eb13 or something else. Damn I hate this. It will take another 6months to.get a fully working version.
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We've already seen evidence that Sammy was working on builds later than EB13.

I didn't get the ota either. This is unreal, all that wait fro froyo to get a ota that's stopped due to issues??? Well that was the nail in the coffin for me. 0 chance of me owning another Samsung phone now.
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styckx said:
Can't wait for new phones. I'm jumping off the Samsung train at the nearest stop.
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sad buit its the truth, I came from the evo to this phone, I love it especiallly with custom roms but its obvious that htc is brand of choice for sprint

At least this means that they are working on an update. The only problem I have is with taking videos in low light. But I hardly ever do that so it isn't a deal breaker for me. Everything else is 100 times better than DI18 for what I use.

It says that a hard reset fixes the issues. People that have been running DK28 for a few months are already used to this sort of behavior. You cannot rely on these OTA upgrades. It's like upgrading Windows versions. Wipe and and clean install is always the best policy.

crawrj said:
At least this means that they are working on an update. The only problem I have is with taking videos in low light. But I hardly ever do that so it isn't a deal breaker for me. Everything else is 100 times better than DI18 for what I use.
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I agree except for one point , I dont like the new messaging lol

boominz28 said:
I agree except for one point , I dont like the new messaging lol
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If you install gosms from the market, there is an option to make it look similar to the Eclair messenger without the bubbles

crawrj said:
At least this means that they are working on an update.
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I'm not sure the pull means that. It sounds like the problem is with the updating mechanism, not with EB13 itself. It could easily be just the updating scripts themselves that they are working on.
I do think they are always working on new builds, but I have no idea how seriously they are considering actually making one of those publicly-available nor what sort of time course they might have in mind.

I have heard the issues that Sprint was having (relative is an employee). It's nothing that I would have pulled the OTA over TBH. Stuff like calendar syncing not working (clear data clears that right up). From what I heard it sounds like it's all stuff that is related to user data and cache issues. There was nothing on the list that we didn't already know about.

I knew the data issue on the EB13 modem getting 18kbps & 30kbps was not related to anything else but the modem. Odin back to DK28, & while not real fast, nothing compared to EB13. Epic fail!
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wow, this section is about to be blown apart.

I believe that the OTA was pushed out sensing the increasing noise about the update. It was certainly not ready, and they knew it, I think. They must also have known they might need to pull it back.
One wonders just what happened last year between Samsung and Sprint that caused this mess. It's surprising that even after so many months, they failed to provide a decent update! Can one of the mods, who was in talks with SamsungJohn, throw some much needed light on all this, if SamsungJohn provided some important info., and also if the time frame around the yet-another-update is known.
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I may or not not work for sprint and as far as I can tell, these issues only effect the OTA update, not the over the wire update, FWIW...

I think so sprint/samsung should just give us 2.3/.4 and call it a day, I'm upset about the wait but at least toss us some sort of bone for our troubles.
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