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Hello.
Do you know a site or thread which has basic instructions about making a "hello world" app for PPC? Just to get me started.
What tools do you guys use? (doesn't matter if they are free or not)
How do you export/publish it as a .CAB?
Thanks.
PS. I searched and didn't find a thread like this and I don't want to use somebody else's thread.
Are you familiar with programming?
I use Visual Studio 2005 to create my apps. It has the ability to create a *.cab file as well
Visual Studio 2005 is not free.
You can find tons of info at the MSDN.
You can also use some library simplifying access to pocketPC by taking care of all necessary OS calls. Xflib looks good, especially if you want to code games, there are also some examples provided with lib download, and sources for most games hosted on their site are available. Might be a good place to start if you'd like to avoid learning winAPI and get right down to coding the actual app Another good thing is that it uses open source ceGCC compiler, so MS Visual C isn't needed. Also, you won't really need to make CABS to distribute programs coded this way, since they consist of one single exe file.
Go to www.xflib.net for downloads and install instructions.
And if you're a total beginner when it comes to programming, I'd try scripting out first. Have a look at mortscript (good because of it's multi-platform usage) or AutoIt (for windows desktop)
Thanks for the answears so far .
I'm not a programming noob, but not profesional. I've done some apps and games. I plan to start with easy things first as a coin toss app... it comes quite handy... or perhaps a handy stuff thing, inclusing the coin toss, unit converting (there are many), dices, chronometer, etc. All with stadistics and many options, like a random mode and a rigged mode ;D for dice and coin toss...
Then move on to something greater, who knows.
For something like that I suppose visual studio is best. I'll try both anyway. Any advise?
By the way is there an emulator like toolkit for J2me? Something a friend can download to run it without a programming software (or a phone).
Thanks again.
Edit: I believe I found an emulator, at least for XFlib (found there).
Device emulators
visual studio has its own device emulators you just have to download the proper SDK's like WM6 sdk or WM5 sdk to be more device specific, it's supports emulator debuging and device debuging but apps made with VS tend to slower and more memory hungry than apps implemented in C. But for me it's the easiest way to app development.
can you post the emulators link or better yet the whole thing itself here if its small enuff? im also working in xflib and would be much easier to use a standalone emulator rather than the one with vs2008. thanks
Hey guys im considering porting/recoding an app from VB.net to work on android, but i havent got a clue what language is used in android, could someone tell me its name or some sort of website with this information?
Finally if someone is experienced in programming apps for android, i would like to chat about a few capabilities of the language.
Thanks in advance!
Android is Java-ish based.
i would recommend you checking out the program Eclipse.
The main applayer is java based with some xml thrown in. But there is a native development kit that you can compile c c++ and many other languages to run on an android phone. But since java is virtual machine based an app written in java will run on all phones*(some caveats like os version) while the app in ndk will work on only hardware that it was designed for
Also, is Google not working? A simple search for "Android programming language" would answer this question
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killersnowman said:
The main applayer is java based with some xml thrown in. But there is a native development kit that you can compile c c++ and many other languages to run on an android phone. But since java is virtual machine based an app written in java will run on all phones*(some caveats like os version) while the app in ndk will work on only hardware that it was designed for
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hmmm, yes there is google but not what im exactly asking, and that makes me ask this:
You talk about c & c++ and other languages compilations to run on android phone, is vb.net a part of that list?
Could you show me a website or something that says more about that dev kit? im basically trying to port my apps from vb 2010 express (windows forms based) to android and if that thing is not possible should i use java to code it all over again?
Thanks in advance!
http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk/ this is for the ndk but it is not as simple as just compiling your code with the ndk. You will need to rewrite some of it to actuallytie into the android apis
You should really just use the java sdk. You will reach more people and be able to find more help and info
And I stand corrected, while there are projects trying to bring other languages to the ndk it is at this point just C and C++
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killersnowman said:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk/ this is for the ndk but it is not as simple as just compiling your code with the ndk. You will need to rewrite some of it to actuallytie into the android apis
You should really just use the java sdk. You will reach more people and be able to find more help and info
And I stand corrected, while there are projects trying to bring other languages to the ndk it is at this point just C and C++
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oh well in that case i will need to learn java.... thanks mate, i think its easier to just rewrite the whole thing really i like proper optimizations and ports most of the times lack them.
Thanks for the information thats all i needed.
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if you know vb.net well you'll have no real problem with java.. it just adds brackets and semicolons essentially lol. I learned java in college and then was thrown into the .net framework using c# and i love the .net framework.. its so hard for me to go from using Visual Studios to Eclipse to make an android application because Visual Studios (which im assuming you use, is so powerful).. But yes android is java code behind and html (preferred) GUI. You can make your GUI using java but trust me its terrible!
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But yes android is java code behind and html (preferred) GUI. You can make your GUI using java but trust me its terrible!
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Html? You mean xml?
Also try Intellij instead of Eclipse. Eclipse is way too bloated and IntellJ has some amazing autocomplete features. Its better in my opinion
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jr10000 said:
if you know vb.net well you'll have no real problem with java.. it just adds brackets and semicolons essentially lol. I learned java in college and then was thrown into the .net framework using c# and i love the .net framework.. its so hard for me to go from using Visual Studios to Eclipse to make an android application because Visual Studios (which im assuming you use, is so powerful).. But yes android is java code behind and html (preferred) GUI. You can make your GUI using java but trust me its terrible!
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what?? i really need a proper GUI ugh... yes im using visual studio, and indeed is amazing, the app i have and i want to port to android is windows form based, the most essential thing i would need about it is the calendar control :\
You can use Javascript+HTML5 (it's complicated to express here but the whole things is pretty much native).
Python aswell, use SL4x or Kivy (Kivy is pretty good but it's still too new).
Sorry, being hate Java too much.
Funnnny said:
You can use Javascript+HTML5 (it's complicated to express here but the whole things is pretty much native).
Python aswell, use SL4x or Kivy (Kivy is pretty good but it's still too new).
Sorry, being hate Java too much.
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ok np, so to doublecheck this: to have an application with graphical interface i will need javascript and html5?
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ok np, so to doublecheck this: to have an application with graphical interface i will need javascript and html5?
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I dont know why people spread extremely non standard practices to people getting started...
No you dont need javascript or html5.
Android has a ui layout system based in xml. Its just there to arrange objects that you can access from the java code. So a little xml and java is all you need
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TheWarKeeper said:
ok np, so to doublecheck this: to have an application with graphical interface i will need javascript and html5?
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The right way to do GUI is with Java, with the official SDK from Google.
Some non-standard way to do this is with Javascript (just a GUI wrapper from Javascript to Java) and Python (again wrapper to Python).
You can choose which way you want, many people I know didn't like Java, and they choose to use a web application, and then they want to embed this to a native Android application, so they go with Titanium Mobile or some others framework like that. It's not as good as Java, but it's some other way to start with your application (Web app first and then Native app)
Funnnny said:
The right way to do GUI is with Java, with the official SDK from Google.
Some non-standard way to do this is with Javascript (just a GUI wrapper from Javascript to Java) and Python (again wrapper to Python).
You can choose which way you want, many people I know didn't like Java, and they choose to use a web application, and then they want to embed this to a native Android application, so they go with Titanium Mobile or some others framework like that. It's not as good as Java, but it's some other way to start with your application (Web app first and then Native app)
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i feel like i should probably stick with java, i want it to be quick and fast and have alot of stuff to code, the program should run in background so it must not affect performance at all, will use timers with a basic code ticking every second while on background and thats it really
TheWarKeeper said:
i feel like i should probably stick with java, i want it to be quick and fast and have alot of stuff to code, the program should run in background so it must not affect performance at all, will use timers with a basic code ticking every second while on background and thats it really
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Then use java bro, it's an awesome programming language, I don't know why some people don't like it, each programmer should learn to get used to each language.
Anyway, for likes.. colors
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D4rKn3sSyS said:
Then use java bro, it's an awesome programming language, I don't know why some people don't like it, each programmer should learn to get used to each language.
Anyway, for likes.. colors
Cheers, D4.
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well ive been learning vb and i will admit that im still on intermediate level, even though i know all the basic stuff such as messing with its own functions, etc i still havent used any of the apis for it, the main problem with programming is that if u learn a language you would waste your time learning that one or else if u go learn to many languages you will end up not knowing none of them at all.
Ill see if i can mess with java, some people say syntax is a bit similar to c & c++
EDIT: btw, im not saying i dont find java good, a programming language that will basically run on any machine independently of the OS makes the language itself possibly the best and most versatile around.
I'm learning Android and I use Java and XML. I'm still a beginner though.
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I am just curious, software like Titanium Backup, or Angry Birds, which programming language do they use? Could this stuff be programmed with Eclipse in Java?
killersnowman said:
Html? You mean xml?
Also try Intellij instead of Eclipse. Eclipse is way too bloated and IntellJ has some amazing autocomplete features. Its better in my opinion
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Hey, do you know how to use intellij idea fire Android development?
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PhoneGap and Corona are both cross platform mobile app development environments, but how do they do what they do?
Well I'm a PhoneGap Build user and I recently DLed the PhoneGap add-ons for my Eclipse dev environment. With PhoneGap you code your app in HTML5, CSS£ and JavaScript and it turns it all into an Android app for you.
I think I've worked out that PhoneGap takes your web pages and just wraps them all up into what is essentially a stand-alone website that acts as an app.
It's a nice idea if you want apps that are purely information, like some of the medical apps for healthcare professionals, but it's not so nice for smoothness and transitions or even interface elements e.g. you can simulate a Tabbed layout but it's not as neat or a smooth as a real Eclipse coded Java-xml Android Tabbed layout.
PhoneGap can repackage your web "app" for iOS, Andoird, BlackBerry, Sybian and webOS! That's one big bonus.
Now does anyone know how Corona works? Seems it's only for iOS and Android and I'm wondering what the underlying structure is. Anyone know?
No one knows?
It's be useful for developers to have insight into this. Afaik Phone gap don't have this info in their docs, I've just worked it out.
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Corona is more of a Game Engine I think
It's basically it's own API/SDK/Engine. You code works within that. It looks like it uses lua script but I'm not sure.
Phonegap and other cross platform tools
Hi pizza_alarm
There are basically 3 types of multi-platform approaches:
1) the super-simplistic. These are not really programming at all, but simple tools to auto-generate an app using rss feeds, and other fairly generic settings.
2) browser-hybrid. Most of the serious contenders would fit this category, even though some claim to be in the 3rd. They use html + css to describe page layout, and some (like phonegap) allow full access to any browser-supported scripting, like javascript. At build time, a pre-compiled "player app" is bundles with your web app
3) native compiler. These let you build your app in a intermediate coding language, which then gets recompiled for each platform. Many of these still use the techniques described in item 2.
We have recently published a free comparison between all the serious contenders (items 2 and 3 in my list). Tell us what you think:
(I don't have permission to post the URL - but if you google "triballabs cross platform" you will find it)
Sorry - I meant to add that we use phonegap. One of the bits we like most about it is that you get all the source code, so if you need to enhance the basic "player" app it is very easy to do. Obviously you need to code these native, in Java or Objective-C or whatever your platform calls for
I use Corona since 2013. I have made this game Stronghold. It's easy to use, but there is a lot of limit, no multi threading, few plugin, few quantity of documentation, the app always do imagesheet in 32bits. We have to pay for many things. Like remove the launcher image (actualy it's write corona sdk XD)
Welcome
I want to explain here shortly what is NDK ?
NDK stands for Native Development Kit. It is a good tool which enables you to use native languages like c/c++ in your apps besides android development code in java.
You may ask why i should this tool and write code in hard languages like c++ ?
Well, actually c++ is more complex than android code with java but it is very helpful in some apps like games
Especially, if you are ios and android developer and want to make a game, you will develope it for android by java then you will develope it by xcode and objective c for ios.
But if you made it by c++ using NDK, you will almostly use the same code in ios version and maybe make a little tweaks, so you will save a lot of time :good:
So it is very useful and time saver for apps will be made for ios and android platforms.
For more information about that, check android website by google for NDK and many other resources
Thanks for reading
........ and to think I thought NDK was the spark plugs you add to the development kit...... to give your work some Zing !
Do I need to learn Java to program in Android Studio? Or I can just jump straight into it? If I must learn it, can u guys show me a great way of learning Java? (I have a Pascal basic BTW).
You definitely must. Java is the main language for android development and without knowing it you can't do anything advanced.
To start learning you can use docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/. But learning is nothing without practice so start your own project and use Java in it. It's relatively easy language so you can start quickly.
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You definitely must. Java is the main language for android development and without knowing it you can't do anything advanced.
To start learning you can use docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/. But learning is nothing without practice so start your own project and use Java in it. It's relatively easy language so you can start quickly.
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Thanks Brother i was also looking for some tutoral sites....and found nothing for my choice...i have basic knowledge in Java and Codes 2apps also..check my threads but can u plz send me some Video tutoral video for android app development i want to add advanced Features & libraries
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Thanks Brother i was also looking for some tutoral sites....and found nothing for my choice...i have basic knowledge in Java and Codes 2apps also..check my threads but can u plz send me some Video tutoral video for android app development i want to add advanced Features & libraries
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You are welcome. To be honest I don't know any video tutorial and personally I think the best way to learn programming is practice. So just use any Vogella's tutors and code your apps but always try to make them more complex.
Java is important for Android studio
Yes, you need to learn Java properly before visiting android studio.
Because Java is key to do programming in android studio for Android developers.
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I learned from a YouTube series called "mybringback" 5 years ago. It's still a good place to start. Also, a great website that interactively teaches you to code is Codecademy.com. They are mainly a web-development website, but recently added java to their courses. It may be worth trying as well.
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It best to learn Java, but today you can also use Xamarin to develop cross platform apps using .net (Visual Studio 2015).
java is main language to android studio
if you are using android studio, Java is a must. But you don't have to learn core java, you can just jump in to android programming, coz there are lots of different library there.
i would suggest using android studio instead of others, beside they are free, they are directly from google
Yes, java is must in order to develop android apps. Android virtual machine runs java codes. So android apps needs to be in java.
Now a days, there are so many frameworks and tools available which allow you to develop android apps in other languages and convert the apps developed in other languages to java code to deploy and run on android.
I think it is a good idea to directly code in java as you can easily understand concepts involved in android os and develop apps that perform well proving best user experience.. It is not difficult to learn java and android framework to develop android apps.
As others have pointed out, yes you must. However, if you have Pascal/Delphi background, that helps a lot! So loops/ifs/functions are no stranger to you. You "only" need to learn about classes, interfaces and such stuff, not very hard.
Luckily for you, there's literally thousands of Java tutorials, books, videos, anything you can think of. I always like to stick with books from respected authors and/or the language authors. So for Java, I'd go with https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/nutsandbolts/index.html (just an example, there's tens of other valuable books/tutorials).