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Fresh ROM and Apps2SD - /system/app Area.

Im using the Fresh .04 ROM. I understand Apps2SD is installed and functional. I did format my SD card correctly before installing and I suspect it should be working.
My question is:
I have been pushing a few apps to my /system/app directory using adb.
Is that on the SD card now or am I just pushing to the system RAM area and not taking advantage of Apps2SD.
I noticed my available space is at 90MB and with the Modoco ROM I had 104 available with most of these apps.
I feel like Im doing this wrong.

Apps2sd is not functional in 0.4. It was a bug that was discovered after the fact. You aren't doing anything wrong.
0.5 is being tested by about 10 people right now and all are saying it's working fine. So be patient and 0.5 will be out later.

What apps are you pushing to /system/app?
No, /system/app is not on the SD card. But it's not on the data partition either. The internal memory is partitioned as follows as far as I can tell:
/system 174MB total, generally around 10-20MB free depending on ROM and so forth
/data 163MB total. This is what reports as "phone storage" in the OS. Starts at around 140MB free.
/cache 133MB
I'm not sure how the rest of it really works but that's the gist of it.
AppsToSD moves the /data/app and /data/app-private folders (and nothing else) to the SD card. These are the folders that contain your Market and downloaded .apk files. Other things in the /data directory that use "phone storage" are the boot cache, dalvik cache, and app data (browser cache, preferences, saved games, etc).

jonnythan said:
What apps are you pushing to /system/app?
No, /system/app is not on the SD card. But it's not on the data partition either. The internal memory is partitioned as follows as far as I can tell:
/system 174MB total, generally around 10-20MB free depending on ROM and so forth
/data 163MB total. This is what reports as "phone storage" in the OS. Starts at around 140MB free.
/cache 133MB
I'm not sure how the rest of it really works but that's the gist of it.
AppsToSD moves the /data/app and /data/app-private folders (and nothing else) to the SD card. These are the folders that contain your Market and downloaded .apk files. Other things in the /data directory that use "phone storage" are the boot cache, dalvik cache, and app data (browser cache, preferences, saved games, etc).
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Ok, I was pushing a few of the Original Sprint Apps and some of my purchased apps. Unfortunately, I had to download a couple apps from a "not so legit source" for the short term due to the Market screw up. However, dont look down on me, I only got the apps I legitimately purchased and couldnt download again after I formatted my card and such going from Modoco to Fresh.
Anyway, I just adb push "app name" /system/app after a mount from
a command prompt.
Once the Apps2SD is fixed, should i be doing this process a different way to take advantage of the SD card space.

Yeah, push to /data/app. There is a limited amount of free space in the /system partition.

jonnythan said:
Yeah, push to /data/app. There is a limited amount of free space in the /system partition.
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Easy enough. Thanks.

jonnythan said:
Yeah, push to /data/app. There is a limited amount of free space in the /system partition.
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Ok, so I loaded the Modoco ROM and pushed to /data/app. It seemed to push fine, but I dont see the app.
What am I doing wrong.

Did you reboot after you pushed it there?

jonnythan said:
Did you reboot after you pushed it there?
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Yes, a I get a loop at the Sprint logo. I have tried doing a Nandroid Backup 2x and then upgrading to the new Modoco and pushing. Everything works fine until I push an app to the /data/app directory, then I get a loop.
Im going to try pushing to the sdcard and move to data/app using SU file Manager.

What file are you trying to put there?

jonnythan said:
What file are you trying to put there?
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The "test" app im pushing is the Droid Facebook app. Facebook.apk.
I tried pushing Sprint_TV.apk too, with no success.
Its odd. If I push anything to that directory, it loops the startup at the Sprint logo. I just ended up pushing to /system/app and decided to forget about it. Im a neophyte and was getting ready to throw the phone out the window.

Sprint_TV might need to be in /system/app, which is wher it normally is. The Droid Facebook app might simply not work on the Hero. So...

jonnythan said:
Sprint_TV might need to be in /system/app, which is wher it normally is. The Droid Facebook app might simply not work on the Hero. So...
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After alot of trial and error, I finally got the apps in the right place and to work correctly.
I pushed to /data/sd/apps
That appears to be where Apps2SD is setup to throw the apps.
Thanks for hanging in there with me on this thread.
Both apps work great in that directory. In fact, I moved alot of the stock apps to that directory and they worked fine. None of them got moved automatically. It seems the only time Apps2SD moves the apps is upon installation, so pushing or for apps that were previously installed, they didnt get moved.
Hey, it works for me, hopefully someone else will find this useful.

Lappie2010 said:
After alot of trial and error, I finally got the apps in the right place and to work correctly.
I pushed to /data/sd/apps
That appears to be where Apps2SD is setup to throw the apps.
Thanks for hanging in there with me on this thread.
Both apps work great in that directory. In fact, I moved alot of the stock apps to that directory and they worked fine. None of them got moved automatically. It seems the only time Apps2SD moves the apps is upon installation, so pushing or for apps that were previously installed, they didnt get moved.
Hey, it works for me, hopefully someone else will find this useful.
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Apps that are in /data/app (the default location without apps2sd) will get moved to /data/sd/app and then a sym link is created that points from /data/app to /data/sd/app. Anything that is in /system/app (all default system apps) will not get moved. Modaco's rom had moved a few of them there but people were receiving FC's and moving them back.

Installing apps to system/app folder

I'm rooted running stock 2.1... 5 and I have removed some unwanted apps. I imagine the system/app folder is located on a different system partition which has so much room. Since removing aps from the system folder doesn't free up any memory I figured why not move some apps in there so that I don't take up my regular app folder. Is this possible?

Since those apps will then be in the read-only partition you will have to update them manually instead of through the market.

Yeah, I have some apps which have never been updated nor do I want them to be updated. So it will work huh. How much room is there on the system partition and what will happen if I go over?

obsanity said:
Yeah, I have some apps which have never been updated nor do I want them to be updated. So it will work huh. How much room is there on the system partition and what will happen if I go over?
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download Quick System Info from the Market....it will tell you how much room is left on your system partition. Going over the limit will cause your phone to bootloop on a restart.

Got it. I assume its the system storage? It says I got 16mb free.

Memory Help

Ok I had memory issues when I went from the Backflip to the Flipside. But thankfully links2sd made a huge difference and i was able to get all the apps I wanted using that nifty little app. Now however after this update I can't even get half the apps I had on 2.1, and that is with using Links2sd. I've tried getting rid of ATT bloatware, moving some apps to systems apps, and clearing davlik cache using Titanium Backup but it only does so much. Anyone have any solutions to get more internal storage or a better way to get apps onto the SD card because this is making the update almost not worth it...and what's worse is that we cant even revert back to 2.1 without bricking the phone....sad day!

I'm having pretty much the same issues, but I'm wondering how you moved apps to the system apps? This would be helpful to me.

How much internal memory do you have free? I have about 45mb which is less then half of what I had before the update. Im not sure what is taking up the memory. Ive removed what I can and feel is safe with Ti Backup and moved my apps with Link2SD to my SD card.

boazjuggalo said:
I'm having pretty much the same issues, but I'm wondering how you moved apps to the system apps? This would be helpful to me.
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This is done via titanium backup. Long press on the app and the menu gives you the option to convert to sys app.

pre4speed said:
This is done via titanium backup. Long press on the app and the menu gives you the option to convert to sys app.
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Yea that's how I moved it to system.
And I have about 20MB after moving a few apps and moving some to system....ugh this is frustrating

I have my wife's phone running on 60mgs free...

HiloDB1 said:
How much internal memory do you have free? I have about 45mb which is less then half of what I had before the update. Im not sure what is taking up the memory. Ive removed what I can and feel is safe with Ti Backup and moved my apps with Link2SD to my SD card.
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I have 2 or 3 apps installed (Facebook and whatnot) and I have roughly 32mb after clearing davick (or whatever it's called)

telegraph0000 said:
I have my wife's phone running on 60mgs free...
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Really, how? How many apps do you have? I have about 17 apps

JBallin4life27 said:
Really, how? How many apps do you have? I have about 17 apps
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Just basics
Adfree
Adobe flash
Adobe reader
Adwlauncher
Fruit ninja
Pandora
Jorte
Jw reader
Lik2sd
Maps
Market
Palmary weatherb pro
Pure messenger widget
Quick boot
Titanium backup
I also added opera, and that brought it down to 50megs
Tadaaaaaa.....

Hey, I just posted the SBF in the Flipside Android Development part of the forum and I flashed that and it appears that this version of 2.2.2 runs better with links2sd and has significantly made a difference in freeing up memory. I'm gonna play around with it some more but it appears to have links2sd running as well as it did when I had 2.1. Some of you may want to consider backing up and reflashing the update. Just something to consider. I'll post an update again soon after I play around with it a bit.

Do you know how much space was available on /data when you fresh flashed it?
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So, I ended up breaking something, as usual, and had to reflash, so I used the fresh 2.2 sbf. Turns out there's roughly 74mb free on /data when you first flash, although that quickly drops as the system apps (maps, market, and flash offhand) are brought up to date.

You're right!!!
My wife's phone is down to 55 megs!!!

Sorry, I meant to post again after my last post but my phone kept freezing on the red Moto screen everytime I flashed the update and I took my phone back to AT&T 3 times this past weekend only to find out it was my SD card causing the problems. Just FYI if you partition your SD card to use link2sd make sure your second partition is set as primary otherwise the 2.2 Froyo update will completely shutdown as soon as you put your card in and will not let you do ANYTHING!
That being said, you definitely have better memory after flashing the SBF as opposed to the other methods i've tried for the update. I was able to install almost all the apps and games I had previously (some I didn't add just cuz I hadn't been using em). Everything runs smoother for me and I havent had any freezing or anything. Hope this update is running well for you guys

I'm reluctant to move many things over to system apps, personally... Don't forget that link2sd won't link the dalvik-cache of system apps, so you'd actually have more free space in /data by leaving it as a user app and just linking app/dalvik/lib. I'm at roughly 95mb free currently, with a pretty reasonable amount of stuff installed, so I'm much happier now.
Another space-saving trick I've found: Titanium Backup has a folder in /data that it uses as a temp file storage, any time you restore a backup it moves the .apk over there then installs it. It's located at /data/data/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup/files, and also contains busybox, sqlite3, and your license file. If you're restoring a backup of a large app, this means you need a pretty large amount of space free to do so, which can be difficult on our phones. You can move this folder over to the second sd card partition that link2sd uses and symlink it without problems. Here's a (probably ugly) method:
Code:
cd /data/sdext2
mkdir tbfiles
cp /data/data/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup/files/* ./tbfiles
rm -Rf /data/data/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup/files
ln -s /data/sdext2/tbfiles /data/data/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup/files

Actually....
If you have auto-link on... and move it to system with tibu... it will link the cache...
Why are you linking lib files... when you reboot... they go back to internal... you'll have memory issues at reboot that way...
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The file I manually link isn't a lib, or at least it doesn't get linked by Link2SD when you link TitaniumBackup's libs. The link stays through a reboot and hasn't caused me any issues so far, it just makes less free space required to restore backups.
As for linking libs in general, while they do tend to get unlinked on reboot, I have plenty of free space to let them exist in /data, and the newest Link2SD has a one-touch option to relink them all again to recover that space. It's not an issue unless you're linking libs and also filling your /data partition near the max.

Insuficient storage

New and wierd problem. When i try to update my apps. I get a insuficient storage warning. Wierd because i still have 8gb of free storage.
Anyone had thism problem?
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NLPUNITED said:
New and wierd problem. When i try to update my apps. I get a insuficient storage warning. Wierd because i still have 8gb of free storage.
Anyone had thism problem?
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I'm exactly the same as you. A few apps, mainly games kick up this error, and short of a full wipe I have no idea how to fox it!
Happened on both my N4 and N10 and they both have loads of free space left over
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Have you tried to fix permissions, clear cache and reboot?
I think the issue is that the way storage is carried out makes it seem like there isn't any extra because there are 3 or more folders that contain all of the data on the user partition of the flash storage. under mnt/ there is SDcard, but also you'll find emulated, 0, legacy and sometimes 0/0 or others. These should all be only virtual folders or links to other folders, but I think that's doing something. I ran into it a few days ago and after a permissions fix and cache clear and reboot I got it to start updating again. It's doing it again now though.
yep, I fixed permissions and cleared cache. It really might be as simple as something changing the permission for the Play store to write data, which would probably look like a full partition. Anyway it worked and I'm updating and downloading again.

If you are rooted, try deleting the .odex file for that specific app in data/app or system/app.

If your rooted you can also just launch lucky patcher. It delete unused odexes automatically.
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jsb5388 said:
If you are rooted, try deleting the .odex file for that specific app in data/app or system/app.
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How would i do that? With ES explorer all i see are .apk files in those folders
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[Q] Internal memory leak?

So I've been looking around and trying to fix this problem myself but I've had no luck. I've almost completely run out of internal memory. I'm not sure if its a memory leak or what but its starting to affect my phone's ability to update apps. Currently, of the 16gb I have <800mb left but it used to be as low as ~50mb.
At first I tried just moving every app I could to my SD card, and I already transfer and delete every picture and video I have on my phone asap. So afterwards I wiped cache a few times. Finally I completely wiped and reset my phone to stock and still only freed up 1gb of space. I then flashed the negalite ROM. With this new rom and the core set of apps I use, all moved to the SD card, I have 829mb of internal memory free.
I understand that I really only have 8gb to play around with, but this screencap shows that I have 7gb being taken up by miscellaneous files, yet when I check what's in there it does not add up to 7gb (nothing below those files goes above a few hundred kb tops). Is there any way to free up more memory without deleting literally every app I have? I don't think I even have that many frivolous apps.
So to summarize, my phone is a sprint s4 SPH-L720 with 4.4.2 running the Negalite rom, with only 800mb/16gb internal free, trying to free up more. Not sure if its a memory leak or what.

Do you have any nandroid backups with either philz,cwm, or twrp recovery? If so those are about 3-5gbs each.
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Using a file manager that can show hidden files (ES can) look around and see if you see any folder named something like lost.dir or lost+found it might be that some deleted items were sent or left their instead of going into oblivion. I have had it occur before, after deleting the contents it freed up several 100s of MB to GB of memory.
It's possible it could be this.

daniel4653 said:
Do you have any nandroid backups with either philz,cwm, or twrp recovery? If so those are about 3-5gbs each.
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Hm I just went through the CWM folder and deleted some old backups supposedly but those were only like 9mb big... The mysteries keep mounting!
And catfood I tried looking through the files with file explorer but I couldn't find a lost or a variation of it.
Thanks for the replies though every little bit helps!

pinoysw1mmer said:
Hm I just went through the CWM folder and deleted some old backups supposedly but those were only like 9mb big... The mysteries keep mounting!
And catfood I tried looking through the files with file explorer but I couldn't find a lost or a variation of it.
Thanks for the replies though every little bit helps!
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Do you have any cloud apps like Google Drive or something of the like? Try checking sync options, or the programs settings, something might be downloading data to cache offline.

Backup your data!
Install philz_touch_6.19.6-jflte recovery
then go to Mount and Storage Menu
do a format for{ system, cache, date and(( /data and /data/media ( /sdcard)))

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Backup your data!
Install philz_touch_6.19.6-jflte recovery
then go to Mount and Storage Menu
do a format for{ system, cache, date and(( /data and /data/media ( /sdcard)))
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Do I have to install that one or can I just use CWM?
And catfood I will check my cloud settings.

pinoysw1mmer said:
Do I have to install that one or can I just use CWM?
And catfood I will check my cloud settings.
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I don't know but I used that recovery and it works for me.