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First of all...let me first make it clear that I liked Vista. So in case you haven't yet figured it out... I like Nexus one and have no complaints.
But, like Vista, Nexus One is being continuously targeted on internet and therefore even minor issues have been blown out of proportion. XDA is perhaps at the core of it. We have two sub-forums... General and Q&A.. which have turned into whining grounds. Everyone (including me) have been whining about issues and reducing our satisfaction level with our new phone. I certainly regret reading a few threads...I wasn't even aware of these issues..they were not bothering me... but now that i have read them... they haunt me. Are they serious? nope.. just like most of the other issues here. I am sure I am not alone who has this experience.
So...enough of my rant.. what do we do?
1) I would propose that we merge Q&A and General. General is enough. We have similar whining topics in both the forums as people are confused about which question goes where and have started redundant threads.
2) Any useless rant or repeat posts should be locked and deleted ASAP. We perhaps need more moderators here.
3) Action against impolite posters. This forum has got nasty and personal. I have not seen such behavior in other sub-forums
4) This forum will get even busier once sprint, Verizon and European devices come out... We need some stickies to avoid repetition of questions.
If you guys have constructive comments..additions.. please post.
A phone is a phone and none of them are perfect. Most of the Nexus converts are ex iphone fanboys. Lest we forget it took essentially 2 years before the iphone could do what the Nexus can do straight out of the box on day one.
I'm a tried and tested gadget freak, and I've also used pretty much every high end phone in existance (except for Vertu and Porsche branded phones) and to be honest, if I wanted a plain old perfect "phone", I'd buy a Nokia 1600 series handset and be done with it .
It makes calls, it receives calls, it doesnt crash, and it bounces when I drop it, and keeps on ticking after a damn good licking (my 1650 actually went thru a clothes wash, dried it out, and kept on going!).
My advice to you - if you're over the whining, just dont visit the General and Q&A sections...
Honestly, there still needs to be a Q&A section and a general section. The Q&A section (should be) used more for questions about using the phone, or a good place to put how to's, or for questions that could be seem as borderline developmental but development hasn't started, or for general trouble shooting where a post in the ROM thread just doesn't do it, or if it is an issue with all ROMs or most ROMs of the same nature (Vanilla Android/Sense).
I do tremendously agree you though on all the BS threads about the same issue or people whining about issues that they find annoying but aren't major. Yes, there should be threads to alert people to these issues, but there doesn't need to be a new thread every single time a user has that problem and wants to cry about it.
Honestly, the moderators are doing a much better job over here then the g1 area was for a while, pointless threads get locked at a much higher rate in the dev section, people are being reprimanded for breaking the rules numerous times, appropriate threads are being merged, threads are being moved to the correct sub-forum when needed instead of just locked to keep the information in those threads alive.
I entirely agree with you about peoples attitudes, while most people are respectful of others, many aren't, and should be warned at the least. Yeah there are times I wish I could reach through my screen and slap people, but in the end, you're just going to end up arguing with people over the internet which isn't going to get you anywhere, and in general is just going to make other people on here think less of you and be less willing to help you out in the future (or use your work if you feel like contributing, I know there are a few people whose work I refuse to use based on their past actions, or what I think about their character).
Again, I agree with you that this forum will only get busier as the nexus is released on more networks/providers/3g bands/whatever, and as users, we need to try and keep down the pointless threads, and flaming of people that post in the wrong section, so that new people won't feel so inclined to do the same (think about it, you see the guy supposedly "senior" member flaming the "junior" member for posting in the wrong section, is that any different than the junior member posting in the wrong section. It's not going to "teach" the member to post in the correct section).
Oh well, there is my pseudo-rant for the night. On most of your points, I do agree with you, so take my post how you want.
Just had to..... Win7 > Vista
I find it offensive that you compare android 2.1 to vista.
yes this forum needs stickies.
I vote no to merging the two forums. Maybe a description saying: "post in this q&a forum if you have a question you think this community can answer"
I've not had no issues with my Nexus One. No dust under the screen, no lag, no touch-screen anomalies.......nothing. I think that a lot of the whining is due to the fact that people expect much more from a phone these days. When the iPhone was first introduced there were lots of things it couldn't do, and had many flaws. But, it did things other phones didn't and it revolutionised the market. It was so unlike every other phone that people didn't concentrate on the bad things.
With the Nexus it has many competitors to compare it to. With that comes more differences and reasons to complain.
I'm with you, though, in that the whining posts need to be filtered out somehow. Maybe a 'complaints/problems forum' would be more useful?
Ok so we know how people are going to be very excited about all this jazz working and alll that, but i noticed quite a few threads of crap already how about we keep this section looking good and not post rubbish threads such as these
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735692
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735787
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735751
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735735
I no its new and exciting but surely we can try and keep this looking good and make it easy to find answers, 99% of th questions that have been asked have already been answered here somewhere all you have to do is look in the main sticky and you will get you're answer, cmon lets not get all crazy on here now.
crap thread
The build works perfectly, but, the wind noise and the echo on the phones that call me are driving me mad.
I've flashed my rom plenty of times>
energy
elegancia
miri v17
Currently using miris, radio 2.10.50.26, and a class 4 card. Still, everybody complains about the noise and echo. Does anybody has any suggestions for trying to fix this? I've replicated darkstone's setup but can't get rid of this two issues. When those two issues are fixed, android will be a full time replacement for winmo.
Seriously I give up on you lot
I'm getting robot voice, GSOD, Boot cycling, segfaults, broken htc sense
my setup is...
O wait ya, WRONG PLACE FOR THIS KINDA CRAP THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED UP INSTEAD OF POSTED
I agree with you. For topics that already have somewhere to get the information, mods should post a quick link, say search, give 'em a light slap on the wrists the first time, and lock the thread.
Well, the best way, would be to make another subforum, because, obviously, this entire Android forum is going to be HUGE! Soon it will be full of differents ROMs, FAQs, Random questions, and people's own threads about their experiences.
So I agree, if we don't do anything soon, this forum is going to end up in a huge mess.
Either some admins are appointed, to cleanup and simply REMOVE all the spam threads, or else there's a need for even more sub forums, one to ROM releases, one for questions and answers, and one for general discussion etc etc.
THats just my opinion.
Stoferr said:
Well, the best way, would be to make another subforum, because, obviously, this entire Android forum is going to be HUGE! Soon it will be full of differents ROMs, FAQs, Random questions, and people's own threads about their experiences.
So I agree, if we don't do anything soon, this forum is going to end up in a huge mess.
Either some admins are appointed, to cleanup and simply REMOVE all the spam threads, or else there's a need for even more sub forums, one to ROM releases, one for questions and answers, and one for general discussion etc etc.
THats just my opinion.
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For now, it would probably be best to just have mods clean it up better, maybe a dedicated mod or two. With only 2 cooks right now for HD2 android, and only 2-3 cooks with light Winmo+android roms, kinda don't need their own forum as of yet.
Really, it just needs to be cleaned up. And personally I think there are too few threads per page, but that's just me. I'm the kinda person who doesn't check page 2.
i have a feeling velayo's post is intentional
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[Q] Proposal to merge all Galaxy S family into 1 neat and big sub forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764084
That is brilliant. Can't believe I did not post it first, it is a peeve of mine, big time.
I would like to see this as well.
I support this!
It was like that at first, but I think they did this so that people wouldnt start flashing things on their phones without knowing which one it's for.
I wouldnt mind a general "Galaxy S General" forum though.
yes, this would be a definite plus. and give us an off topic section for us sgs users as well.
+1 .....10 char
^bump^
as i don't have any Mod power to make it a sticky, much less make the original topic cross posted across the 5 SGS forums
115 Yes
7 No
Wow...
I didn't at first, but I found my self looking at the other forums today because its really obvious that there is tons of cross over. Of course I'd agree that development should be seperate, but cases and other things should totally be combined.
I just hope my sticky stays a sticky
jz9833 said:
It was like that at first, but I think they did this so that people wouldnt start flashing things on their phones without knowing which one it's for.
I wouldnt mind a general "Galaxy S General" forum though.
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It wasn't exactly like that at first I think..more precisely only the i9000 forum existed as it was the only device out at the time..
Right now we got almost the devices out the door and most of the stuff are compatible..if not minor tweaks make it compatible...
But yes thats exactly what the proposal will do..it will separate out the development with some room for cross development and keep the other categories like general the same
As long as the development sections are separate I think this its a good idea..
Especially if we have enough mods to watch over us...
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and also take out the Galaxy Spica subsection which no one seems to use.
I do like the idea though the only thing I'm worried about is people getting confused in the development section. And I'm assuming since the software is basically the same for all the phones then themes would work across all phones.
yeah that might be an issue. if we do merge, I think it's best if people start id'ing their thread with something like
[CAPT] dadada
[VIBR] dadada
[EPIC] dadada
Let me clear things up a bit....the Development thread will have sub-forums for each device...so anything that is unique or only for 1 device will be in the sub-forum...things that work on all devices or multiple devices will go into the main Development forum where we will tag it something like this "[V][C][F]" which would mean works for Vibrant, Captivate, Fascinate only.
I agree, checking all the other SGS forums is a litle annoying.
kizer said:
I didn't at first, but I found my self looking at the other forums today because its really obvious that there is tons of cross over. Of course I'd agree that development should be seperate, but cases and other things should totally be combined.
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I was under the impression that the Vibrant and Captivate don't use the same cases (Captivate has lines vs curves), so already there is an instance where this idea falls apart.
Theres going to be a SGS with a keyboard soon, that case won't be compatible with cases for the other phones.
So....we could mix the Vibrant and i9000 forums because they're basically the same form factor, but why bother.
There is enough different about all these phones that it's probably better keeping them separated.
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With that said, when there is an issue with one phone, it does seem to carry over to the others and it is freaking annoying having to delve the forums of the other phones to find a solution.
Unfortunately, what is the "better" solution? Either one is going to be somewhat confusing for somebody.
Bump.
To the people that still doesn't know about this idea, please go vote if you would like to see the big Galaxy S family forum merged.
Thanks.
Hi,
Just want to say that im likely coming from HD2 section soon as im getting a GS2.
I'm just a bit gutted as this section doest seem as organized as HD2 section, ie there doesn't seem to be a dating convention (or at least non enforced) so topics seem random.
What I like about HD2 section is that for the most part most devs/cooks etc release to same standard naming rules, ie [date].[ROM/KERNEL].[Rom Title/Version.[Etc].
These standards make things much more orgnized overall and looking at this section sort of brings me back to when I was using the HTC Universal forum
I'm sure I will eventually find my way and learn to get used to going back to less standards, mostly because im sooo looking forward to getting the GS2 so everything else is second
Waaa? Trying checking again, it got everything you stated. =.=
Unless I'm illiterate...
$1 gets you a reply
GRiM-UK said:
What I like about HD2 section is that for the most part most devs/cooks etc release to same standard naming rules, ie [date].[ROM/KERNEL].[Rom Title/Version.[Etc]
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We all had a vote some time ago and voted against those, sorry...
Kailkti said:
Waaa? Trying checking again, it got everything you stated. =.=
Unless I'm illiterate...
$1 gets you a reply
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Then I guess your illiterate.
peachpuff said:
We all had a vote some time ago and voted against those, sorry...
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That's a shame.
Cant see why it was voted against tbh.
2 good things about the HD2 forum is 1) Its huge amount of dedicated developer following and 2) Its organization. Even though I visit the forum daily so know which topics are new/updated its nice to see a standard topic title naming convention with date/type/title, That way you can see clearly from browse page which are updated topics with regards to builds instead of dates/titles been in random sequence.
Either way I'll have to learn to adapt back to this random naming as GS2 will be my daily device soon. However I wont miss my HD2 simply because it wont be going anywhere, I will still be using it to try new roms and also as a great backup.
I also came from the HD2 section and finding the GS2 section a bit of a maze, but all is well ) I'm hoping this GS2 will give me as much play as my HD2's did.. still have them, one cracked screen and one that the digitizer is going out on, the screen will stop responding until I press the End button twice.
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HoustonsBirdman said:
I also came from the HD2 section and finding the GS2 section a bit of a maze, but all is well ) I'm hoping this GS2 will give me as much play as my HD2's did.. still have them, one cracked screen and one that the digitizer is going out on, the screen will stop responding until I press the End button twice.
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Well im gunna be honest here, I actually have a iPhone 4S aswell atm but I just cant get used to such a mall screen and although the OS is quite good (as far as stability, ease of use) I just cant get used to having my fecking hand held every step of way and also the feeling of having them tied behind my back at most points. I bought it because I was given it at such a great price that I would have no problem getting rid once I was bored (approx 3 weeks) and then getting my only viable HD2 replacement (hardware wise compared to price). Before the GS2 I just didnt really see any reason to get new device since HD2 had basically (or in allot of cases better) hardware then new native Android devices.
Just made my mind up now and getting rid of the iPhone, keeping my HD2 and having GS2 as main device.
PS. Just want to add, I'm also a Galaxy Tab 7 user and that forum also (for the most part) keeps to a standard way of titling topics so its going to be hard to getting used to the dev sections here.
GRiM-UK said:
Hi,
Just want to say that im likely coming from HD2 section soon as im getting a GS2.
I'm just a bit gutted as this section doest seem as organized as HD2 section, ie there doesn't seem to be a dating convention (or at least non enforced) so topics seem random.
Unfortunately many posters will not follow the rules and post questions in the wrong section .
We also have a greater share of idiotic repeat posts fails to use search posters .
Roms are labelled but they are often updated frequently within that thread and even have kernel changes .
Not saying i disagree with your viewpoint but suggest you contact the mods re your suggestion .
Noobs do find it hard to navigate .
jje
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Almost all of our threads have a [ROM] or [KERNEL] or [KITCHEN] or [GUIDE] tag.
The initial perusal might be somewhat daunting. Once you understand Samsung's ROM releasing conventions, you'll understand why we don't insist on having each thread tagged with a date. I'd recommend reading the first 3 posts of Intratech's thread to give you a start. The series of numbers/letters found in the title of most [ROM] threads is essentially our dating convention (ie XWKK5).
Then maybe sort the forum by the "Stats" column to see what's popular and go from there.
GRiM-UK said:
That's a shame.
Cant see why it was voted against tbh.
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That was a joke, we have a sense of humor here in the gs2 section
crachel summed it up pretty nicely.
GRiM-UK said:
Well im gunna be honest here, I actually have a iPhone 4S aswell atm but I just cant get used to such a mall screen and although the OS is quite good (as far as stability, ease of use) I just cant get used to having my fecking hand held every step of way and also the feeling of having them tied behind my back at most points. I bought it because I was given it at such a great price that I would have no problem getting rid once I was bored (approx 3 weeks) and then getting my only viable HD2 replacement (hardware wise compared to price). Before the GS2 I just didnt really see any reason to get new device since HD2 had basically (or in allot of cases better) hardware then new native Android devices.
Just made my mind up now and getting rid of the iPhone, keeping my HD2 and having GS2 as main device.
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Hey GRiM-UK, if you're coming from the HD2 and have used Hyperdroid, we've got pongster and doctorcete working their magic here yet again. It evolved into something different considering ROMs here are mostly based on stock (Some AOSP, MIUI and CM also) because of proprietary drivers which source isn't always available for sadly...
It does take some getting used to, as I do agree the HD2 forums were easier to understand (And less noobish to me), but you know... Sometimes you have to move on. haha. I mostly read the general page and the original android page, but the decent information a tad all over the place... So good luck!
crachel said:
Almost all of our threads have a [ROM] or [KERNEL] or [KITCHEN] or [GUIDE] tag.
The initial perusal might be somewhat daunting. Once you understand Samsung's ROM releasing conventions, you'll understand why we don't insist on having each thread tagged with a date. I'd recommend reading the first 3 posts of Intratech's thread to give you a start. The series of numbers/letters found in the title of most [ROM] threads is essentially our dating convention (ie XWKK5).
Then maybe sort the forum by the "Stats" column to see what's popular and go from there.
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I think you misunderstand, Im very familiar with what a Rom and Kernel is and their tags etc and am not a n00b who gets confused.
I'm simply saying that it really benefits the forum when each release has a date tag at beginning of topic title instead of in random position or not at all. It means that all dates are in same line and each release is easily distinguishable by build date an you can check for updates at a glance and not rely on remembering all the version numbers.
Its a really small thing that makes a huge difference, Ill probably end up getting used to not having them but atm its really hard adjusting. The HD2 section is just far superior in organization imho.
For example checkout the HD2 NAND section compare to the Dev sectiosn here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=928
Please don't think I'm complaining or don't appreciate the work in this section, I'm just a bit disappointed that XDA or section mods hasn't tried to bring the convention to other forums, Guess I just assumed others were same by now.
I guess this will all change when XDA finally starts its release database.
welcome to the SGS2 section my friend!
Its quite different over here as one of the rules of being in the SGS2 section is we must deal with grumpy and abusive coders, who are to busy yelling and abusing than to actually get on working with the code!
You'll soon meet codeworkx soon enough....you lucky devil you....
The title says it all really.
There are loads of ROM threads that are dead and obviously so that still get bumped to the top for one reason or another.
There have been a lot of ROMs being pushed out lately and only in an initial release as the DEV immediately moved on to something else leaving the ROM\thread basically dead only to be bumped over and over. Then you have the others where the DEV just vanishes leaving the threads to again be bumped over and over.
Could these threads be moved to a DEAD section where they are still accessible is some one wanted to flash or even try to continue the work that was started? This would free up the DEV section of clutter and not push the currently viable and supported ROMs down the list.
Also if a ROM is in the DEAD section it would be more noticeable this it is dead and don't bump it for an update.
Just a suggestion and my 2c.
If you think about it, there are around 50+ pages to search through. The amount of Roms still being worked on is roughly 2-3 pages.. so if you want a 45 page dead section.. by all means, go ahead and search for days. If you're looking for a Rom you know the name of and Devs name, use the search bar at the top. Narrow your search by a good amount. Its unnecessary but start a petition if you desire. I'm sure you could get a decent following and be heard by a senior mod or some major contributor.
ItsLasher said:
The title says it all really.
There are loads of ROM threads that are dead and obviously so that still get bumped to the top for one reason or another.
There have been a lot of ROMs being pushed out lately and only in an initial release as the DEV immediately moved on to something else leaving the ROM\thread basically dead only to be bumped over and over. Then you have the others where the DEV just vanishes leaving the threads to again be bumped over and over.
Could these threads be moved to a DEAD section where they are still accessible is some one wanted to flash or even try to continue the work that was started? This would free up the DEV section of clutter and not push the currently viable and supported ROMs down the list.
Also if a ROM is in the DEAD section it would be more noticeable this it is dead and don't bump it for an update.
Just a suggestion and my 2c.
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I think this would discourage a dev from coming back to a ROM months or years later. Its pretty easy to tell what ROMs are active and which are not. Be a shame to see Myn's Warm 2.2 in a section like that. One of the greatest ROMs ever, swap back radios and its still one of the best. But then again, for some reason people do act like its too much to search and read a little.
"Hey, that's not a bug, that's a feature!" Linus Torvalds, 2001
This is a horrible idea! Just like Jamie said, is not that hard to tell what ROM is dead and what ROM is still active.
BUT playing devil's advocate, let's just say we DO get a "dead ROM" section.......who's going to set the time limit on a ROM? Do we say is dead after a couple of weeks of it not being active? Do we base this decision on how long is been for updates?
IF this idea actually becomes reality, what's next? A "POPULAR ROM" section and a "NOT POPULAR" section? I think if is not broken, don't mess with it! BUT who knows, crazier stuff have happened on XDA.
this idea obviously came from someone who does nothing but flash roms and gave no real thought to this. how about this for an idea instead: how about you not be allowed to re release an old rom that has not been updated or improved by starting a new thread for it? why wouldn't you just keep the old thread in place and just change the name of your thread title to reflect that it's the same exact old ROM? are you really so desperate for some notoriety and xda acceptance? that's right I said it.
ridiculous.
What did the five fingers say to the face? Sa la ppa.
No going to happen guys, if a rom goes unsupported, either the community picks up the effort or it drops down never to be seen again.
If people are bumping dead roms with stupid posts, report it and it will be dealt with, simple :good:
I'm going to close this as I don't really see any need to keep it open