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Hope someone can offer me some advice. Video playback is very high on my priorities. I currently have an Omnia which is pretty flawless playing back DIVX or XVID encoded files. I am not interested in playing back High Def content, only xvid/divx avi files that I download such as TV and DVD Rips.
How good is the Touch HD with Coreplayer, I am pretty worried from all that I read about HTC/Qualcomm drivers not working properly and this is a deal breaker for me. I don't know if the Touch Pro 2 is the same, I know it has the same processor.
I have been out of contract for a couple of months and was waiting to get an Iphone but I will have to encode all my xvid files in order for them to play, at least until Coreplayer for Iphone is released. I was happy with my Omnia but I seem to have endless problems with getting programs working as they should and of course there is no official support on this site.
If video playback is ok for these type of files I may go for either the Diamond 2/Touch Pro 2 or Touch HD as they all seem to be a similiar spec.
Booo, DivX on HD
One of the main reasons I bought my Touch HD was for playing Divx. I have a couple of old Dell Axims which have been great but the attraction with the Touch HD was it was a phone aswell, GPS, bluetooth for the car and I could watch films on the train to work in high res still.
Actually, it's a bit rubbish in my opinion. The screen is amazing but you cannot use TCPMP that well as it judders too much. So you have to resort to using the pretty limited Coreplayer (no AC3 support which is annoying when you only realise after you have boarded your train to work!). No easy way of fast forwarding as you cannot program all the soft touch buttons. No easy way of raising / lowering the volume either.
Oh yes and it still skips and judders in Coreplayer unless you are watching a boring movie about paint drying as it has no movement on the screen.
I bet you will get a ton of positive responses but this is what I think. If you are still tempted after my rant about the HD then I would suggest trying it.
of course if you are interested in buying it then it is an amazing DivX player and works flawlessly.
I will second Damians post, although Rubbish might be a little harsh...
Like you I was very excited to basically just drop a couple of TV shows on the Storage Card without any interaction and start playing them on my way to work but it didn't take long to realize that was merely a dream...
I consider myself being picky about quality and as of now the quality in such a setup is not watchable. At the moment I encode with Super and then transfer to Storage Card (got it setup fairly automatic with MobSync). I am holding on with hopes of better compatibility from CorePlayer (support for the chip), a better player or any other major breakthrough in the issue since I do think that for me there is no phone on the market that can beat the incredible screen... that I believe was made for watching media such as described.... sigh...
On a small note.... I had the Diamond2 to compare (benchmarked and simple visual comparison) side by side and though benchmarking exceeds the Touch HD (HD: 75-90% vs D2: 105-120%) as well as the visual appearence.... the screen really is a major difference that might be worth waiting for a better HD solution...
2 cents... signed and delivered...
//Nik
Thanks for the advice. I was hoping for something more positive re playback but you more or less just confirmed what I thought. I think I'm going to go for the new Iphone this summer if I need to convert files anyway.
I havn't found it too bad to be honest (and I'm another perfectionist). I was annoyed for weeks and spent ages scanning this forum and different options, but as it stands, on the newest stock rom (which only uses up 29% of ROM), using SDcard tune-up, and the best options in Coreplayer (turning sound to mono-join etc), I get no skips in films or TV shows. I'm perfectly happy with it, although I do make sure to check the videos play once I've dropped them on (and 8 out 10 of thousands of Divx/Xvid/Avis from loads of sources work on the box).
So 8/10 for me. I'll try to provide more info if you need.
There is a tool, called "HTC Touch HD Video Converter", just search the forum. Works very fast, esp. on two core machines. In my opinion, this is the best converter, every movie i've converted with this tool runs just gorgeous on my touch HD using the built-in player Album. No delays, no sound issues at all - just like it should be, smooth and the picture is brilliant.
I used different converters and I don't know what's so special about this one but it just works, other didn't (in my case). I was kinda disappointed with the touch HD, videos didn't run smoothly, I even wanted to buy the ipod touch, before I used this tool.
here we go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
meddleuk said:
was waiting to get an Iphone but I will have to encode all my xvid files in order for them to play
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I think this information is'nt correct. You have tried out the free vxflash from Cydia store? You should be able to play divx, xvid, and flv files directly with iPhone with no conversion.
See http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=3895
smeddy said:
I havn't found it too bad to be honest (and I'm another perfectionist). I was annoyed for weeks and spent ages scanning this forum and different options, but as it stands, on the newest stock rom (which only uses up 29% of ROM), using SDcard tune-up, and the best options in Coreplayer (turning sound to mono-join etc), I get no skips in films or TV shows. I'm perfectly happy with it, although I do make sure to check the videos play once I've dropped them on (and 8 out 10 of thousands of Divx/Xvid/Avis from loads of sources work on the box).
So 8/10 for me. I'll try to provide more info if you need.
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Would you mind sharing your config.xml located in Application Data/CorePlayer?
(...or specify your settings manually, but I think above would be easier)
I feel like I've tried all possible settings with no success. It would be greatly appreciated!
//Nik
I was also very excited when i finally got my Touch HD, espacially for watching TV series like you guys. 3 hours on the train is not bearable without some kind of entertainment . Well at first i also was very frustrated cause i am one of those people that instantly pick up jerky movement in a movie or when the sound lags just a few frames behind. Ever tried watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 tv, but stretched? Everytime i see something like that, i feel the urge to cry But there are many people that do not pick up such things.
Got a bit offtopic here, sorry. What i wanted to say is, i got accustomed to the slight jerky movement while watching something. The luxury of being able to pull out your phone, attach your headset and simply watch something while on the train, the bus or somewhere else, simply outweighs the not so fluent playback. As already mentioned the display is absolutely gorgeous. This is of course my oppinion. Using coreplayer on Topix 2.1.
Hey I've uploaded it (as a text file). For this, anything xvid, avi, divx, mpg etc. just seems to work (well, 9 out of 10 files, ranging from 174mb TV shows to 1gb movies).
Will be interested to know your thoughts or offer any further feedback,
Another thumbs up for Projections Video Encoding GUI - films I've converted are very smooth and audio and video are all in sync. A great app.
Try this program too. It'll help you find and open your video files with the HTC Album. Click on the link for more details.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520604
Hi, I tried TCPMP and then Coreplayer to play standard resolution Divx files. With coreplayer I get very good results after increasing the buffer it uses for video and audio.
I'm using regular Divx or xvid movies, with MP3 audio. I'm using episodes from House M.D. for example, in high definition, and they look perfectly good. A movie like Terminator, with high movement, a lot of explosions, etc, is more difficult to handle. But overall I'm satisfied with what you get with the correct software and settings.
Unfortunately I have come to realize after trying several devices and hundreds of programs that Windows Mobile programming is still on it's infancy and 95% of the programmers cannot reach an aceptable level of ussability. I'm tired of big slow programs, that cannot display the simplest of 2D screen while in others you can pan or zoom a photo fast, or display video full screen at 20 - 25 fps. That shows you that the hardware is capable of fast processing and screen redraw, just most programs are too big and too slow.
OK, I am retiring my iPod Touch for ripping movies to take with me on trips, to watch either on the phone or with the HDMI output. That said, what resolution should I rip DVD's to so that they look good on the phone and on an HDTV using HDMI output? I read that 1280x720 is 720P, but my test showed that the movie played fine on the phone, but looked like a 4:3 movie when I played it on my HDTV. Any comments/suggestions/experience is greatly appreciated (I *really* want to be rid of my Touch...LOL).
pixelpop said:
OK, I am retiring my iPod Touch for ripping movies to take with me on trips, to watch either on the phone or with the HDMI output. That said, what resolution should I rip DVD's to so that they look good on the phone and on an HDTV using HDMI output? I read that 1280x720 is 720P, but my test showed that the movie played fine on the phone, but looked like a 4:3 movie when I played it on my HDTV. Any comments/suggestions/experience is greatly appreciated (I *really* want to be rid of my Touch...LOL).
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use the search button. there's already a hundred threads about this, we don't need another.
How are you going to rip a DVD to 1280x720p when DVD's native res is 720x480 ntsc and 720x576 pal?
I'd say to rip your dvd's to 720x480 MP4 using Handbrake if you like free solutions or my favourite for-pay dvd ripper of choice is Win X Dvd Ripper. Look them both up.
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You can use Daniusoft DVD Ripper. It will put the movie straight to your SD card and you can manually choose the res, fps, and a lot more.
It's really nice.
http://www.daniusoft.com/dvd-ripper.html
I would recommend ether the danusoft or cucusoft DVD rippers. CucuSoft has a vary of options that you can choose from. They go from little nanos to apple TV resolutions. You can of course by their full package but you can always save a buck or 2 by getting the one your need.
Here is a link: http://www.cucusoft.com/download.aspx
Go with Handbrake, an oldie but goodie. Just make sure you encode as MPEG4 and not h.264, as the native video player on the EVO can't handle h.264.
Use most of the default options unless you know what you're doing, or have read through the help page for Handbrake.
Personally, for quality I just shoot for a target size instead of a specific bitrate. For 90-120 minutes of film, 700-800 MB is usually good enough for viewing on the EVO's screen (yes, I've tested).
For Avatar, I set it to 1500 MB as it's a long flick.
khov07 said:
Go with Handbrake, an oldie but goodie. Just make sure you encode as MPEG4 and not h.264, as the native video player on the EVO can't handle h.264.
Use most of the default options unless you know what you're doing, or have read through the help page for Handbrake.
Personally, for quality I just shoot for a target size instead of a specific bitrate. For 90-120 minutes of film, 700-800 MB is usually good enough for viewing on the EVO's screen (yes, I've tested).
For Avatar, I set it to 1500 MB as it's a long flick.
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Your smoking crack the EVO plays x.264.
Yes and no... evo will play h264's baseline profile, but not main and high profiles
It's still x.264 that's what I'm saying its easy too just select the iphone preset change the width to 800 check keep aspect ratio and change the extension to mp4 for some reason it does a m4v extension.
uh, thanks
P_Dub_S said:
Your smoking crack the EVO plays x.264.
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Thank you for the kind correction
Nonetheless, for playing ripped movies on the EVO, I'd still recommend mpeg4 as opposed to h.264, if only because the encoding job is much quicker.
timothydonohue said:
use the search button. there's already a hundred threads about this, we don't need another.
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as long as there aren't hundreds of posts about it in this thread i think its ok to ask again. settings to encode for the evo may be different for the hero or mytouch. personally i use SUPER and use the ipod settings. sometimes ill adjust to taste. for real video watching i use my archos player no encoding needed.
Follow these instructions for nice looking videos.
http://www.frankie.bz/blog/tips-and-tricks/convert-video-nexus-one/
I picked up a Molex micro hdmi cable and have tested it against my 20" 720p Sceptre, my 37" 1080P Sceptre, 43" 1080P Sceptre and several 1080P monitors at my place of work...all with same results.
Picture is pixellated, "choppy" and it seems phone can't keep up.
I am sending 720P videos created with phone (I set it to 720p) and can see that ALL the tvs receive as 720p signal...yet image quality is so poor it's borked.
All of these TVs were hdmi 1.3 I believe...is this solely an hdmi 1.4 issue?
Loving my Evo except hdmi is fubar. I have a few days left on eval and may return it if this feature is truly not appropriate for phone (due to cpu issue).
I am perfectly willing to wait for g'bread if this will make a difference.
What's the deal here?
Check it against a better TV. Those Scepters just don't use the same quality as say even a Visio, let alone a Sony or Samsung.
Worked wonderfully for my brother's 46" LG LCD
So... a Walmart TV with an HTC phone and you say the phone quality sucks? I'm confused jk bro. Haha
I have a Phillips 32' and the HDMI is horrible for me. I played a HQ Video of Everybody Hates Chris and it was so choppy and fuzzy I just disconnected it. I have a 6ft cable. Could the length have anything to do with it?
sceptre is the same quality as visio hate to break it to you. plays properly on my 32" samsung.
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I have a Phillips 32' and the HDMI is horrible for me. I played a HQ Video of Everybody Hates Chris and it was so choppy and fuzzy I just disconnected it. I have a 6ft cable. Could the length have anything to do with it?
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Picture quality is crap because your videos are encoded at a low bitrate so there gonna look pixilated.
When I recode my Blu Ray movies to x.264 720p with a high bitrate and play them back using HDMI to my Sony Bravia they look AMAZING.
You need to encode some quality videos. The built in camcorder or youtube aren't gonna do it justice.
P_Dub_S said:
Picture quality is crap because your videos are encoded at a low bitrate so there gonna look pixilated.
When I recode my Blu Ray movies to x.264 720p with a high bitrate and play them back using HDMI to my Sony Bravia they look AMAZING.
You need to encode some quality videos. The built in camcorder or youtube aren't gonna do it justice.
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Every post I've read has said to use 720p setting in camera. Are you saying phone camera can't natively produce video in form consumable by hdmi? I would never use youtube as reference...but not even native vids?
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So... a Walmart TV with an HTC phone and you say the phone quality sucks? I'm confused jk bro. Haha
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Actually they were purchased at CostCo several years ago and price compared to that of others sets for most part. I wasn't aware costCo sold crap brands...not my experience with them.
Odd that my blu-ray, cable box and other hi-def input sources play beautifully on my sceptres and only the HTC has issues. Sceptre's now the problem? Hmmm...
Time to run by Fry's and see what works and what doesn't.
To those who are getting a stunning picture via hdmi...are your sets hdmi 1.4 protocol?
mklein said:
Every post I've read has said to use 720p setting in camera. Are you saying phone camera can't natively produce video in form consumable by hdmi? I would never use youtube as reference...but not even native vids?
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What I'm saying is the videos you record using the phones camcorder are encoded at a low bitrate making them look like ****. HDMI output is only as good as the source quality.
I suggest you read this as well since you seem to think that HDMI revisions automatically mean improved video quality.
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#12
The problem isn't the Evo or your TV, it's your source material. The 720p from the camcorder is compressed so much that it doesn't look that good.
Encode a movie using a high bitrate (somewhere around 5000), and it'll look good. Just like mine do.
Dude, I was kidding. lol
What about streaming videos from something like mPlayer? Those also look like sh*t, as the OP mentioned. Is that a tv problem or is that a "bitrate" problem?
Thanks for the help all.
After installing handbrake to convert some trailers I am finally seeing a not-so-****ty picture. The whole re-encoding thing bites hard though. Who really has time to convert all their **** or even wants to do it selectively? I know I don't.
The fact that the device isn't capable of creating its own hdmi content is pretty bad and somewhat misleading: 720P on vidcam app during record....720P hdmi signal out per notification window...sounds like a match to me!
For all "practical" purposes the hdmi port is fubar.
#1 You don't get desktop 'experience' on hdmi out
#2 Feature doesn't come for "free", apps must be individually hdmi-enabled (yeah right)...so no TermSrvr or VNC
#3 Device can't create videos for clean hdmi playback (at least with native 720p vid recording app)
where are you guys getting your HDMI cables? last time I checked monoprice didn't stock them.
mklein said:
For all "practical" purposes the hdmi port is fubar.
#1 You don't get desktop 'experience' on hdmi out
#2 Feature doesn't come for "free", apps must be individually hdmi-enabled (yeah right)...so no TermSrvr or VNC
#3 Device can't create videos for clean hdmi playback (at least with native 720p vid recording app)
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Agree. The hdmi out is wasted space on this phone. If it worked, this thing would be the hub of my media center! Especially with stuff like JetFlix streaming in crisp hi-def to the t.v. But, no. With the quality as-is, I don't see myself ever using it.
I suppose I could encode existing movies for playback, but why would I use my phone to store them? I'd just burn a dvd or bring a external hard drive. At that point, I'd just be using my phone to watch them on a plane or something, and you don't need an HDMI port for that.
But this isn't a dealbreaker for me. I still love the phone.
Snowfox software makes a few programs for video and audio tools. I played around with their dvd and total video converter last night and this morning. It had some decent results. It isn't perfect but its done a good job with converting divx or hd mkv files to files compatible with the audio and video specifications of android. I put in the video size of 800x480 and bumped up the video bitrate and adjusted the sampling and bitrate of audio and let the trial do its thing. Good results.
I also stumbled across a miro video converter. That program does a good job as well but basically does not have any settings to tweak. It has phone presets. I picked the one I thought had a high video resolution, nexus one, and let it do its thing.
I have been having a difficult time trying to get iphone and ipod presets to play good with handbrake as the encoder, but haven't had much luck yet. I am trying to get as good of quality as I can and these are the results I've gotten so far. I thought I would share this with you in case anyone might be wondering. Miro is free as in beer.
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Snowfox software makes a few programs for video and audio tools. I played around with their dvd and total video converter last night and this morning. It had some decent results. It isn't perfect but its done a good job with converting divx or hd mkv files to files compatible with the audio and video specifications of android. I put in the video size of 800x480 and bumped up the video bitrate and adjusted the sampling and bitrate of audio and let the trial do its thing. Good results.
I also stumbled across a miro video converter. That program does a good job as well but basically does not have any settings to tweak. It has phone presets. I picked the one I thought had a high video resolution, nexus one, and let it do its thing.
I have been having a difficult time trying to get iphone and ipod presets to play good with handbrake as the encoder, but haven't had much luck yet. I am trying to get as good of quality as I can and these are the results I've gotten so far. I thought I would share this with you in case anyone might be wondering. Miro is free as in beer.
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thanks dude, good lookin out
When I got my Evo I converted most of my DVD and Blu-Rays with this method
http://www.knowyourcell.com/htc/htc...deos_and_transfer_them_to_the_htc_evo_4g.html
Except I either left the source aspect ratio as is, or scaled it down from 1080 to 720. I have tried the xoom handbrake preset that has been posted a few times, and I'm convinced that the guide above produces better quality videos. I dont believe it's an ultra crisp perfect HD image, but I do think it looks at least DVD quality, and I know that it plays smooth as butter. Post your presets and I will convert and compare various blu-rays I own and post feedback.
EDIT - K, so, apparently animated movies have laggy playback and distorted colors. Audio is fine. What the hell. These same files play flawlessly on my Evo running CM7 in the Gallery app.
Other threads on this topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=968308
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=968640
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010629 (your own thread)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=972812
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996161
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=977148 (more general discussion about Xoom's capabilities)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978874
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011324
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1015612
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010685
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1012633
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009228
Do we really need another thread on that?? Why not reanimate one of these instead?
i was looking for a thread with just handbreak presets and not 14 pages of complaining about .avi files
Good luck with that! I have been waiting for such details for a while . Didn't mean to offend. I can give you details from my AVS settings if that helps.
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Also, just for the record...The rockplayer apk from this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009228
Appears to play the videos I converted for my Evo better, and they loot a lot sharper, when played in Software Encoding mode. The animated files I was having trouble with no longer have issues, and my blu-ray rips look quite a bit crisper.