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Lately i am seeing alot of companys charging between $20 to $30 to usb or wireless tether but arent there apps like pdanet for instance that delivers the same feature without extra monthly fees? I mean how can carriers even know your tethering ? I know this is all irrelavant on this forum as wireless and usb tether is available on the hd2 android builds but im speaking about android in general. Is this something carriers can control or google?
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actually would like to know that myself too how they find out your tethering?
they don't find out they lock the feature out of your phone and put in an app that has to go thru their authentication to tether (or at least this is what i've noticed) so most rooted phones can use an alternate tethering app and they'll never be the wiser, or at least never really be able to prove it enough to go after you.
They don't know you're tethering.
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They can.....on rooted phone,with a 3th party tether app i am not sure....i did read that last week in a dutch article.As example,Vodafone netherlands see if you tether with a standard phone,with the normal tether app.
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They don't know you're tethering.
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So providers are able to detect if their data connections are being used for teathering.. correct?
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So providers are able to detect if their data connections are being used for teathering.. correct?
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100% correct
They can infer but it is difficult to prove, unless you're using their application.
There are some things you can do on a laptop or desktop computer that simply aren't available as applications on a handheld (such as a phone.) That traffic (most-notably peer-to-peer connections, but not exclusively) can be trivially detected, and if it is, you're in deep kimchee.
If you're doing email and ordinary web browsing it's much more difficult to know you're tethering. It's when you go off the reservation into things that can't be done from the handset that it becomes pretty easy to at least strongly-infer you've tethered to some other device.
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They can infer but it is difficult to prove, unless you're using their application.
There are some things you can do on a laptop or desktop computer that simply aren't available as applications on a handheld (such as a phone.) That traffic (most-notably peer-to-peer connections, but not exclusively) can be trivially detected, and if it is, you're in deep kimchee.
If you're doing email and ordinary web browsing it's much more difficult to know you're tethering. It's when you go off the reservation into things that can't be done from the handset that it becomes pretty easy to at least strongly-infer you've tethered to some other device.
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There isn't anything you can do on a computer you can't do on the phone - P2P on android - google AndTor a fully featured android torrent client.
There really isn't any way they can tell wether or not you are tethering.
OK let me understand something....you dont have unlimited web plan????....so if the answer is yes why you have to worry about.....I'm using mobile wifi router with tmobile USA and no problem of extra charges I think they dont care anyway 'cause the sales guy at the TMOBILE store recomend me the application.
well no its the fact that some networks charge extra for tethering
Ok they do care its in their T.O.S. and they can tell if ur tethering by sniffing the http packet header.. it will show what browser is requesting the page.. now if they do is a different question all together..
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It's scare tactics, they are not allowed to inspect your packets, as this is a breach of privacy, thus it is impossible for them to determine what the data is being used for.
If you use a lot of data you would probably be flagged somehow but it would only be guesswork.
1. The actual data looks no different
2. It's been ruled legal to jailbreak/root phones so there is no telling if you are running ubuntu on your phone using regular firefox or tethering your PC using firefox on your pc.
3. You could be using a custom app that spoof's the header to pretend to be a full browser on your phone, which is dodgey but not illegal.
I was just using PDANet on my friend's laptop and I got two texts from T-Mobile saying the following: "Free T-Mobile Msg: Phone Tethering & Wi-Fi Sharing access has been blocked. Please add a Phone Tethering & Wi-Fi Sharing plan available at my.t-mobile.com"
Now I ignored it until the browser sent me to a signup page. I've tried WiFi Tether, Bluetooth, and Barnacle and it blocks each one. Anyone else get this?
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using wireless tether right now... no problems...
maybe they'll end up sending me a text.
I don't have my laptop with me, so I can't test this myself. But if it's true, the Nexus One forums are about to A-SPLODE. You'll be able to hear it from space...
ryaninc said:
I don't have my laptop with me, so I can't test this myself. But if it's true, the Nexus One forums are about to A-SPLODE. You'll be able to hear it from space...
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A-SPLODE!! Lmfao just made my day!
But yeah... if this is true then all I can do is throw the f-bomb around because I rely heavily on tethering and no way in hell am I going to pay for a service I've been using for free...
No problems with Wireless Tether on my G1...and I tether a ton. I was up to 7gb last month :/
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I was just using PDANet on my friend's laptop and I got two texts from T-Mobile saying the following: "Free T-Mobile Msg: Phone Tethering & Wi-Fi Sharing access has been blocked. Please add a Phone Tethering & Wi-Fi Sharing plan available at my.t-mobile.com"
Now I ignored it until the browser sent me to a signup page. I've tried WiFi Tether, Bluetooth, and Barnacle and it blocks each one. Anyone else get this?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=840423
Not just you.
That would suck. Would this apply to USB tethering as well, or just WiFi?
PDANet IS usb tethering.
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oh... and someone at the Vibrant forums is having the same issue... which is why I'm here.
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I am tethering from my G2 (USB tether) to post this message. It works fine, though TMO might be rolling this block out.
Edit: I am posting this via Wifi tether, so that seems to be working for me currently.
I just checked PDANet and WiFi hotspot and they both worked, so I guess they're "rolling" this out.
Makes me wonder...some of us never got the OTA rollout. I wonder if perhaps I'll never get this rollout either.
I think they can affect PDANet and Easytether since they are market apps. Wireless Tether for Android and Wired Tether for Android aren't market apps so im pretty sure those are beyond T-Mobile's grip.
Might have something to do with the G2 not being rooted and trying to tether. I think after its rooted it should work without a problem. At least thats what a tmo rep told me.
When I read all this on the xda app, i went ahead and hooked up to wifi tether. thats how i'm writing this msg. I am rooted and do have the largest plan tmo offers which includes the unlimited data. idk. we shall see. oh yea, no tmo msg as of yet.
I'm unrooted and used wifi tether this morning for 3 hours with no problems. I just don't understand how they can detect us using it.
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johnbibbs said:
I'm unrooted and used wifi tether this morning for 3 hours with no problems. I just don't understand how they can detect us using it.
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There are various techniques they could use to do this; if we know exactly what they're doing, we can probably bypass it.
Probably one of the simplest techniques would be user agent sniffing; if they see desktop user agents from the same device, they'd know something funky was going on.
I'd be interested to know whether the OP can work around this situation by changing his user agent string on his desktop browser. I'd also be interested to know whether the phone browser continues to work properly even after he's been caught, and if so, whether changing the user agent string on the phone causes it to report the block message as well.
Another test for whether they're sniffing user agents is to try to make an ssl connection instead of http from the desktop browser. Assuming that the phone browser still works, SSL on the desktop browser should also still work, if all they're doing is user agent sniffing.
In an HD2 thread one guy was saying that he was downloaded a movie to his phone, but wasn't tethering when he got the text. Perhaps they're determining by the amount of data used in a specific amount of time. If that's the case it supports the theory of TMO seeing all data as data.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=840360
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In an HD2 thread one guy was saying that he was downloaded a movie to his phone, but wasn't tethering when he got the text. Perhaps they're determining by the amount of data used in a specific amount of time. If that's the case it supports the theory of TMO seeing all data as data.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=840360
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That's actually good, then. If they're using such a naive detection method, it's sure to result in a ton of false positives from people legitimately using a lot of data with their phones, and consumer complaints should result in them disabling it before too long.
If this works like any of T-Mobile's other services then they prorate the add-ons so you can add it when you need it, then cancel it when you don't and you would only pay a fraction of that $15. I do this with the hotspot feature all the time - enable it for a trip when I'll spend a lot of time in a hotel (or airports, etc.) where they offer wireless and then cancel it at the end of the trip and I pay less than a single day of wifi at a major hotel.
(disclosure - I snatched this post off the T-mobile.com forum but I was going to say the same thing!)
I need to confirm this "add it when you need it". Not good for everybody but for those of us that need tethering a few times a month it's not so bad, 50 cents for one day. Tried via the chat on T-Mobile.com to confirm this but they are useless!
When I first applied the OTA and started playing with the built in tethering, I noticed some log entries from DataConnectionTracker whenever I turned tethering on or off. When I enabled temp root with Visionary and tried using the stand alone Wireless and Wired tether for root apps, these entries did not appear.
I haven't had time to play with it much, but it might be useful to run logcat with a filter for only DataConnectionTracker activity while trying a variety of tethering techniques under root and non-root circumstances.
Of course the experience reported by the HD2 user does not line up with this theory, but there may be multiple things going on. If T-Mo really is blocking based on data volume, it will completely blow up on them as people start intentionally doing data intensive things without tethering.
I sure as hell hope they don't do this to the grandfathered plans... cause if they do, I'm gonna go on a *****-storm.
Edit: I'm tethering on the WiFi hotspot app and I didn't get any notice. Everything is as it has been since I've had this app. If not, I have Wireless Tether for Root Users. I refuse to pay $15 extra bucks a month when I paid for an unlimited plan a couple of years back.
Hello guys,
I have a rooted Nexus 4 (CM10.1) and I've been tethering happily for months. Recently I started working from a favorite coffee place that doesn't have WiFi, so I tether there regularly, and today suddenly I was forward to t-mobiles mobile hotspot webpage. No page loaded anymore, everything is blocked, they want me to pay for their mobile hotspot.
I downloaded Android WiFi and followed the instructions here: http://highonandroid.com/android-ap...android-smartphone-or-tablet-universal-guide/. I know that if I spoof my MAC address I might have a chance to tether, but my chromebook doesn't seem to be able to pick up the network. I had this issue before and fixed it with my Evo 3D, but this is a different phone.
so, my question is, what is the right setting for nexus 4 and:
anyone here have experience with this t-mobile blocking, and does it work to go around it?
Please don't preach me about "why don't you just pay," I will be glad to have this discussion with you, but not here.. not the place for it, yes?
thanks!
You can only tether to other android devices without them noticing it
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change the user agent to something not for desktop browsers.
Yes you are correct this is not the place for this discussion.....
But here are some suggestions:
1. Pay for the service you require.
2. Take it up with your Carrier not XDA.
3. Find a new Coffee shop that has free WiFi, the coffee may not be as good as your favorite place but hey the WiFi will be free...
Thanks....
Judge Joseph Dredd said:
Yes you are correct this is not the place for this discussion.....
But here are some suggestions:
1. Pay for the service you require.
2. Take it up with your Carrier not XDA.
3. Find a new Coffee shop that has free WiFi, the coffee may not be as good as your favorite place but hey the WiFi will be free...
Thanks....
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Carriers have been using packet sniffing for months now to determine is some one is tethering or not. If they are then they are fully within their rights to cancel their contract, block it or even charge them for it under the TOS they agreed to. Is this right? That is open for debate. But in the end it is the carriers right. They state how you can and can not use the data and you can either play by their rules or you can change carriers.
Clear your notebook's browser cache and cookies, clear your phone's cache and dalvik, and start using wifi tether more. I also use an app called chrome ua (user agent)...no idea if it does anything, but those tethering pages have never stopped me dead like you (and others) say, and I've been using it for weeks. I was throttled temporarily, but I'm not sure if that was related to tethering or my enormously massive data consumption, since they both happen as a result of one another.
Do as people say, though. Change the user agent, and ime, wifi tether doesn't seem as easy for them to catch on to for some reason. both native wifi and foxfii (pdanet) work great!
I recently received an SMS message from T-Mobile even though I have never tethered. The rep told me that she saw that i had received three messages in the past six months, that my plan allowed tethering, and that she could not figure out why i had received any messages at all. She suggested that the messages might have been triggered by an increase in download traffic. Their monitoring techniques may be at best hit-or-miss.
Well, I talked to tmobile and they informed me I should be allowed to tether as much as I'd like and I shouldn't be blocked. Sounds too good to be true.
The wifi tether app has MAC masking options so I thought it might mask it. Wi it work? Because the app doesn't, not for now.
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use a VPN.
then it will work fine:good:
Any free vpn you know that can work on a Chromebook?
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Sprint Galaxy 4S
I use Sprint's Hotspot on my unrooted phone to view a Java operated stock market viewer on my laptop (Yahoo Market Tracker). The program worked fine until I switched from Galaxy 2s to 4s. The program runs fine through cable broadband wi-fi at home on two laptops. I have identical laptop security settings for the home wifi and the Sprint HotSpot. There has always been enough bandwith to run the program from hotspot before. Sprint will not help me with the problem, and refuses to tell me what the issue is. Is it likely to be security settings on the phone itself?
If so, any help accessing and changing these setting would be greatly appreciated.
Do you PAY for Sprint's hotspot service?
Yes
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Yes
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Cool. If you are paying for the HotSot service, on an unrooted/unmodifed device, Sprint IS responsible for your service(s) or lack of.
Only issue I would see would be that your laptop is blocking something from the tether/hotspot. Do you have a third party firewall/AV blocking something? Maybe try disabling it for a moment and see if that works.
You may need to add specific DNS to your laptop (to get around Sprints) like Googles (8.8.8.8). But since Sprint and Yahoo are friendly I don't know if that would make a difference.
Good luck.
Thanks!
This should give me more leverage in negotiating with sprint. On the laptop (windows 8.1), the security settings are identical for the hotspot and my home broadband wifi (and I have tried with all security off). Since the program ran fine under the hotspot on galaxy s2, I was thinking something was blocking the program within the S4 itself such as a router setting or some other obnoxious ware Sprint puts on the phone.
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I have a rooted Note 3 (SM-N900T) and although I am from the UK and I bought a US phone, everything is still thankfully working properly. I am with 3 (Mobile Carrier) and I have an unlimited internet plan which has been upgraded to 4G.
I was wondering what exactly is the best way to share my internet plan so I can tether my phone to my laptop and maybe even let it act like a hotspot. I have tried LOADS of apps including WiFi Tether, Baranacle, FoxFi and many more and for whatever reasons, they all don't seem to be working. 1 of the reasons I originally rooted my phone was to able to freely tether it (As I've paid top dollar beforehand) and now none of apps seem to be working.
Am I missing something ?
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Don164 said:
I have a rooted Note 3 (SM-N900T) and although I am from the UK and I bought a US phone, everything is still thankfully working properly. I am with 3 (Mobile Carrier) and I have an unlimited internet plan which has been upgraded to 4G.
I was wondering what exactly is the best way to share my internet plan so I can tether my phone to my laptop and maybe even let it act like a hotspot. I have tried LOADS of apps including WiFi Tether, Baranacle, FoxFi and many more and for whatever reasons, they all don't seem to be working. 1 of the reasons I originally rooted my phone was to able to freely tether it (As I've paid top dollar beforehand) and now none of apps seem to be working.
Am I missing something ?
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After installing Easy Thether follow instruction in the app.
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After installing Easy Thether follow instruction in the app.
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Thanks for the app, from what I have been able to gather I can USB tether it to my laptop but how can I use it as a hot spot for other mobile devices ?!
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Don164 said:
Thanks for the app, from what I have been able to gather I can USB tether it to my laptop but how can I use it as a hot spot for other mobile devices ?!
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Im sorry.. right. I think with easytether its only possible to share Internet to PC.
Whats happened with the original Theter app of the phone. (it dosnt work?)
davide_94 said:
Im sorry.. right. I think with easytether its only possible to share Internet to PC.
Whats happened with the original Theter app of the phone. (it dosnt work?)
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Oh thanks, I'd like to ideally tether to other phones as well
The tether app is for T Mobile but I'm currently using a different carrier
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