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Hi all,
As I just said its been released in Spain and I was wandering if I should get it over the desire hd its in same price range so money ain't a problem but people seem to have major issues with the galaxy .
4" screen is more than enough for me but I saw the samoled in action and is amazing the camera I hear its good too, so what should I do?
I have a really hard time recommending the Galaxy S. I could really use a working gps and a cached map navigation. The lag is really frustrating as well but as you can see with the xda app it's still usable and games run smoothly. So to answer your question: it depends what you plan to do with the phone.
Also don't forget that the desires already have 2.2 and don't put your hopes up that samsung fixes current issues.
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Schmich said:
I could really use a working gps and a cached map navigation
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GPS accuracy improvements are on the way, and for map caching on sd card you can use this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630887
To OP: No phone is perfect.
If you don't want to flash or root your phone, you would have to wait until 2.2 comes to fix the majority of the various bugs / improvements needed. Samsung is apparently working on it 24/7, hopefully we'll get a release by the end of October.
Compared to the Desire HD, the immediate difference is the screen quality.
Cached maps navigation sure seems like heaven especially with compas integration, im directionally challenged so it could help me a lot, the 2.2 out of the box and first probable phone to get 3.0 is definetly a plus...
I really like the screen and video format integration it always pissed me off that i have to convert videos to watch on my phone. and I use my phone to listen to music how is the SGS in that regard?
What is youre experience with the phone (i know sammy isnt the best manefacturer but whats the problem beside the gps?)
Music dont sound good on sgs as compared to ipod or iphone
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salmanslick said:
Music dont sound good on sgs as compared to ipod or iphone
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supercurio would like a word with you
I have a hero now and the audio ain't bad it can't be any worse right ?
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I have a hero now and the audio ain't bad it can't be any worse right ?
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Nope, I've had a Hero and the sound quality is much better. The original earphones that come with the SGS are bull****, from this comes the bad sound quality. If you have or buy good earphones the sound quality is great.
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Nope, I've had a Hero and the sound quality is much better. The original earphones that come with the SGS are bull****, from this comes the bad sound quality. If you have or buy good earphones the sound quality is great.
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Interesting... the earbuds that came with mine are actually pretty good. Not as good as my £40 Sennheiser earbuds, but very close! Good bass response, uncoloured midrange. The trebble is a little harsh sometimes at max volume but that's to be expected.
Makes me wonder if perhaps mine weren't manufactured by Samsung.
If you don't care flashing, then the Galaxy S is ok.
I think the Desire HD will be better out of the box though.
I don't mind flashing...if its a resonable amount.
I can buy either just have a hard time deciding which one.
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You should try them out!
The HD is quite heavy compared to the Galaxy (I held it briefly) but feels much more robust. That being said, I have the Galaxy S since August and nothing has happened to it yet.
I have used the normal desire (non HD) and it seems to be much snappier than the galaxy s. That of course doesn't mean that the HD will be as snappy. The Sense GUI seems to be better than touchwiz.
With JM6 and the voodoo lagfix, the Galaxy is doing ok. I am really happy with it.
If I were you I would wait a little bit to see what's going to happen with Froyo and hear first real impressions about the HD.
wasnt froyo realeased for the SGS? at least unofficialy?
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GPS accuracy improvements are on the way, and for map caching on sd card you can use this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630887
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Thanks, although that doesn't work for the Navigation.
The sgs been out since summer right? How's the build quality holding ?
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The sgs been out since summer right? How's the build quality holding ?
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this is the best phone available on the market right now!
if you can wait, then wait for better stuff comming out on 2011
if you need a new phone now get the Galaxy S
strong, good for protection out of the box, see the videos on the wiki
great reception
GPS works good contrary to what you have read here in the forum, it just depends on the firmware
the Camera is amazing, Video recording as well
Audio is the finest quality on both the 3.5 and via Bluetooth 3.0
if you have a car with BT stereo support, you'll love it!
the LAGs that you read about is not real, it all comes down to maintaining your phone with the autorun killers and task managers to optimize the phone.
WiFi N is very fast, i get up to 87 Mbps on it, not as fast as PC but fast enough to transfer large files, without using the USB
SAMOLED screen is amazing.
Well don't mind installing the lagfixes and if I keep waiting for a better phone il never have one T-T but I do want a tegra2
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DesireHD delayed in spain should i just get the sgs?
Hey,
I'm from the Netherlands, and bought my Galaxy S 2 weeks ago. I knew full well that the Desire HD was coming, but chose for the Galaxy S anyway...
I couldn't be happier with my choice, this is why:
-The Galaxy S screen is superior. No match, S-Amoled rocks.
-Xvid support is lovely.
-There already is a lot of documentation and a big user base for the Galaxy S (and stuff like Galaxy S specific apps), which gives you a community to fall back on.
-The Galaxy S has a pretty good battery (1500 mAh), in contrary to the DesireHD (1200 mAh).
-The Galaxy S is available NOW (there's always something on the horizon).
-Bluetooth 3.0
-The best processor in smartphone world.
-A LOT more memory; up to 48gb (16 internal and 32 microsd).
-It is light.
-There's a front facing camera for video calls and such.
In all honesty, the Desire HD has some pros too:
-The screen, although it sucks in comparison, is pretty big.
-The build quality seems to be pretty good.
-HTC support, probably until android 3.0.
-It has more RAM.
-8MP camera with flash.
-Maybe device design and HTC Sense, depends on taste. I like the Galaxy S and Touchwiz just fine, personally.
To me, the Galaxy S was better on paper and I am very satisfied with the experience it is giving me up to now.
It does need some tweaks, but the good news is all of those tweaks are available due to the huge user base (>1 mil!). It has lag, use a lagfix. It doesn't properly manage RAM, use AutoKiller Memory. Etc.
Fact is that, if the DesireHD runs into these issues, you won't have a fix ready right away simply because the user base will need to grow and the device hasn't been tested by over a million people for half a year. With the Galaxy S, you know what you will be getting, and you know it's awesome.
So, there you go; get the Galaxy S.
Greets,
MM
Really? Awesome havent noticed the front camera xD
Well the main pull the desireHd has over me is that htc phones are better supported (xda etc..) And kinda like the new sense(The site,cached map nav are really awesome )I dont like the battery, i dont care how much more optimised the proccesor is at 1200mAh with its huge screen its gonna die quickly.
4 inch screen is plenty of space.
everybody says the camera is awesome
Hey is the bootloder unlocked can we flash costom roms yet? Dont think i saw any...
Looking at the Specs for the new Nexus S, there is nothing revolutionary. Seems like basically the Vibrant just renamed. Minor differences like FFC, and obvoiusly the Google experience with Gingerbread. Yet, hardware wise, the Nexus S looks like to be the same as the current Galaxy S lineup. Can you point out major differences in hardware?
link below
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/tech-specs
Hey, Senior member, do you think this should be posted in the development section.
Can I be a mod?
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Hey, Senior member, do you think this should be posted in the development section.
Can I be a mod?
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OHHHH woops, I totally didn't mean to post this here, Sorry.
I already notified the mods to move it, that's what I get for not paying attention while typing.
there are actually a few hardware differences that may cause some minor issues with porting. location of micro usb port and headphone jack. might also have a different gps chip in it and then the inand only issue. it will be monumentally easier to port it to our devices than cm6 made for htc devices because processor and gpu wise they are identical.
Moved...
Also my post count is now at 1337 , awesome
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You mean like in l33t? Don't reply, you'll spoil it
kind of same but does have some differences
major selling point for me is 2.3, google, ext4, and more developers but yea that's all software.
But also has FFC, NFC, new antenna and possible new GPS chip, anti fingerprint curved glass, no more chrome bezel
My gripe ...bluetooth 3.0 got down graded to 2.1, external micro SD got removed, video codecs
I understand the codecs but i dont see the need to remove and downgrade hardware
I like its being sold threw local bestbuy because Ill probably end up buying it and if i dont like ill just return it
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You mean like in l33t? Don't reply, you'll spoil it
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Like 31337, actually: elite; later shortened to '1337, but never typed as l33t.
On topic: I was seriously planning on going to Nexus S, but they removed enough to make it unattractive. I'm (probably foolishly) going to give Sammy a chance to go ahead and get 2.3 on the SGS line. The world knows it's not just possible, but simple to do so.
If not, I have faith that XDA will fill that role whilst I search for a new primary phone mfg.
-bZj
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demo23019 said:
But also has FFC, NFC, new antenna and possible new GPS chip, anti fingerprint curved glass, no more chrome bezel
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what do you mean it has a new antenna? what type of new antenna.
yeah it's diff.
first thing is NFC
bluetooth etc
not to mention the FFC
the Nexus S is thicker too.
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there are actually a few hardware differences that may cause some minor issues with porting. location of micro usb port and headphone jack. might also have a different gps chip in it and then the inand only issue. it will be monumentally easier to port it to our devices than cm6 made for htc devices because processor and gpu wise they are identical.
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If that's true, awesome. But won't the different file formats make it more difficult to port? Isn't the fact that we have RFS the reason why it's so difficult getting AOSP on there in the first place? I'm curious because if it's going to be an easy port to get NS ROMS then there's really no reason for an "upgrade".
I dont believe the nexus s records hd 720p video either...
Nothing on the nexus s wool get me to switch... And if I want a ffc I'd just mod one on....
Vibrant ftmfw
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If that's true, awesome. But won't the different file formats make it more difficult to port? Isn't the fact that we have RFS the reason why it's so difficult getting AOSP on there in the first place? I'm curious because if it's going to be an easy port to get NS ROMS then there's really no reason for an "upgrade".
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Did anyone confirm what filesystem Samsung implemented for Nexus S?
There are a few differences hardware wise:
- No SD expansion slot
- FFC by default
- LED flash by default
- Menu, Home, Back and Search keys are in different order (I do not get it, why all the different phones even from the same manufacturer have to have different key layout )
- There could be different screen used in markets other than US and UK.
- NFC
The only real benefit of NS over its Galaxy S cousins is the carrier independent software releases/updates it seems.
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I dont believe the nexus s records hd 720p video either...
Nothing on the nexus s wool get me to switch... And if I want a ffc I'd just mod one on....
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Reports show it does do 720p video. FFC mod is still a fail in my book as it makes the rear camera pretty crappy. And then only a subset of apps support ffc on the vibrant.
I wont switch to ns, BUT I would choose it over vibrant if I had to buy all over again.
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Reports show it does do 720p video.
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Its capable of 720p but not out of the box... It does not record @ 1280x720
It will be added later im sure by google or a developer here.
They did it with the nexus one
demo23019 said:
kind of same but does have some differences
major selling point for me is 2.3, google, ext4, and more developers but yea that's all software.
But also has FFC, NFC, new antenna and possible new GPS chip, anti fingerprint curved glass, no more chrome bezel
My gripe ...bluetooth 3.0 got down graded to 2.1, external micro SD got removed, video codecs
I understand the codecs but i dont see the need to remove and downgrade hardware
I like its being sold threw local bestbuy because Ill probably end up buying it and if i dont like ill just return it
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That's all true, the Nexus S is built for developer in mind. Not for consumer daily usage. My dad said the phone does have new GPS hardware. The screen is basically the same, except slight curve on glass, all current SGS phone can be curved during manufacturing. But Google want that design specifically for Nexus S only.
But this time Nexus S actually do have 16GB memory rather than 13GB for storage. 3GB for programs extra.
This is all I know so far. Will be getting the phone anyway cause its newer hardware.
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The only real benefit of NS over its Galaxy S cousins is the carrier independent software releases/updates it seems.
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"only real benefit"?
This is a _HUGE_ benefit. Everybody on XDA, in every forum, is constantly waiting for the devs to strip out all the manufacturer garbage, and release something close to stock as soon as google announces a new version.
I am crossing my fingers that the Nexus S is close enough to the Vibrant that within a week or two of the nexus hitting the streets we'll have a pulled vibrant-compatible ROM. If that doesn't happen then the hardware is different enough that devs will still be on the same cycle for the vibrant that we're currently on-- held back by Samsung's ability to crap touchwiz all over a year-old OS.
And then I'll get a Nexus S so I can finally be on a reasonable upgrade cycle for a phone of this speed.
The poll is bad because it's too black and white. Can't vote without feeling like I'm lying.
They are similar enough hardware wise that the Nexus S cannot be considered an Upgrade to Galaxy S phones (not just the Vibrant, any of them). Add in the actual bad points (No SD Card Slot, Downgraded Bluetooth functionality, etc.) and that phone becomes a bit of a joke. Maybe the released specs are an inside joke between Samsung and Google, and they're actually different than we think they are...?
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Like 31337, actually: elite; later shortened to '1337, but never typed as l33t.
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Usually only the vowels are replaced with numbers, else the **** becomes unreadable. L33T is readable. 1337 is not. The readability comes from the contrast between the numbers and the letters, as well as the fact that the numbers look similar to the letters. Turning every letter into a number only seems readable to you because you did it, and there are 26 letters - there aren't enough numbers to replace them.
Readable = R34d4bl3
It's called L33TSP34K.
i hope it still has download mode and uses Odin since its pretty much impossible to brick
Its a coin toss really; not a thumbs up or down imho
This is all strictly in my humble opinion based on the fact that I'm a T-Mobile customer, and own a Vibrant. That said, like others here I acknowledge the [subtle(?)] differences between the Galaxy S devices and the Nexus S so I'm onboard with:
NFC
FFC
Camera Flash
Support for T-Mobile's network (for those who care, like me)
Curved Display
The "pure Google experience" and everything that entails
But I don't feel all the new features should be considered 'pros' because they're not features I'm longing for or really desire at the moment:
NFC: Few places in my area support this so I don't see how I'm going to make much use of this initially
Curved Display: I hardly consider this a feature; I don't see/understand how I'm going to benefit. Its not like I'm getting cramps holding my phone.
And as others have voiced, I share the same sentiments that in some ways the Nexus S is a step backwards:
Lacks a microSD slot
Defaults to 480 recording
No HSPA+ (for those it matters to, like me)
Bluetooth downgraded from 3.0 to 2.3 with EDR+
Unfortunately for me, some of these missing feaures are a big deal:
The lack of a microSD slot is nearly a deal breaker.
If the recording is software controlled, why is it nerfed out of the box? Lame. Now we have to rely on some group of devs to figure this out, or wait for Google to release an update to address this issue, if they even consider it an issue.
The lack of HSPA+ is just a disappointment, but at least its a lateral move.
I don't use BT so much these days so I'm not really missing anything, but why not 3.0?
I was hoping for an 'immediate future proof' device. Honestly, I'll have to handle the device to be swayed in either direction. If the lack of Sammy's poorly implemented RFS produces a lag-free experience in general, and there aren't any GPS issues, or really annoying issues in general, that just might be enough for me to jump, but its a tough call right now.
Sources:
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=nexus-s&phone=t-mobile-mytouch-4g&phone=samsung-vibrant-a-galaxy-s-phone
http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s
http://www.google.com/nexus/tech-specs.html#!/tech-specs
Multiple: http://www.pcworld.com/search?qt=Nexus+s&s=d
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I recently purchased the galaxy sII i777 and been using it for 2 days now. I made a quick comparison video of it.
I am sticking with the Motorola Atrix for now, neither phone is perfect. Galaxy S2 having some pretty nice features over the Atrix.
Samsung Galaxy S2 Pros over the atrix:
Camera - Way better
HDMI Mirror - The hdmi mirroring via MHL looks really great on the screen
Mic quality - Mic quality much much better
What I didnt like -
Those three pros are not enough for me to switch from the Atrix to the Galaxy s2, sure, it has nfc but I will never use that for right now.
Cons of the galaxy s2 are
The screen, such low resolution on a big screen seems like a waste. The Atrix screen is much more practical for web pages, reading etc, which I use my phone for most of the time. The super amoled on the Galaxy s2 is great for movies and images but I will never watch movies that much on a 4.3" screen.
The accessories, one thing motorola did right with atrix was great accessories that you can buy for really cheap right now. Galaxy s2 has a car dock and a desktop dock but they are kinda ugly and phone wont fit with a case on it.
My dream phone would be the atrix with the camera and mic of the sgs2, and the hdmi mirroring quality of the the galaxy s2 but through the HDMI port and not a MHL port.
I agree with most of your flash review.
If mic quality has been such a bad experience for you, you should warranty it out. My coworker and I with Atrix's have never experienced bad voice quality; in fact I have gotten asked if I was on a landline because it was so clear.
Try seeing if you can disable noise cancellation - that may be the culprit. Im on CM7 right now, and I do not see the option, however it might be in the stock firmware. If that doesnt work, wipe and flash a new rom. Warranty it out as a last resort.
All the reviews say the same:
http://www.engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/
We've come to expect a certainly level of audio quality when it comes to Motorola handsets, and the Atrix does not disappoint. Not only is the earpiece on this phone loud and exceptionally clear, but the speaker on the back delivers crisp, full-bodied audio when listening to music or on a speakerphone call. The Atrix 4G offers variable levels of noise reduction on the earpiece, but we didn't seem to have to tweak anything beyond the "normal" setting for great results. Callers we spoke to said we sounded clear, which is always nice to hear while testing a phone.
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http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/09/motorola-atrix-4g-review/
Talking on the ATRIX was excellent. Calls were very clear with the internal ear speaker sounding very natural, and extremely loud. Noise cancellation also performed well in noisy environments helping people on the other line to hear us more clearly.
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I was impressed with the microphone, voice speaker, and voice software in the Atrix. I placed a call from a busy sidewalk at rush hour to a colleague using a land line inside the building, and she reported that my voice was loud, clear, and full-bodied, with only the slightest hint of background traffic noise. Motorola clearly put some money into using high-quality microphones for the Atrix. I suspect that some high-quality noise cancellation software is at work inside the phone, too.
On our 2-minute call, my colleague and I noticed none of the static, drop-outs, or fade normally associated with a weak cell-phone signal.
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http://www.laptopmag.com/review/cellphones/motorola-atrix-4g.aspx?page=8
During our tests, the Atrix 4G provided excellent call quality. Callers reported that our voice was loud and clear, and callers sounded crisp to us as well.
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Call quality is good, with just the right amount of bass in the speaker so that conversations don't sound tinny at your end. Callers reported a clear line and no problems with the quality at the other end, and the phone was able to hold onto a signal in the centre of London while in a moving vehicle.
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Calls sound very good, and for voice services the noise canceling microphone set-up does it's job
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andy2na, I have adjusted all the mic settings as recommended before and nothing really helped over all. I have done all kind of sound recording on both phones and have found the galaxy s2 to be superior. Thats not to say that the Atrix has terrible mic quality, I am just telling you what I have experienced first hand.
shanghei said:
I recently purchased the galaxy sII i777 and been using it for 2 days now. I made a quick comparison video of it.
I am sticking with the Motorola Atrix for now, neither phone is perfect. Galaxy S2 having some pretty nice features over the Atrix.
Samsung Galaxy S2 Pros over the atrix:
Camera - Way better
HDMI Mirror - The hdmi mirroring via MHL looks really great on the screen
Mic quality - Mic quality much much better
What I didnt like -
Those three pros are not enough for me to switch from the Atrix to the Galaxy s2, sure, it has nfc but I will never use that for right now.
Cons of the galaxy s2 are
The screen, such low resolution on a big screen seems like a waste. The Atrix screen is much more practical for web pages, reading etc, which I use my phone for most of the time. The super amoled on the Galaxy s2 is great for movies and images but I will never watch movies that much on a 4.3" screen.
The accessories, one thing motorola did right with atrix was great accessories that you can buy for really cheap right now. Galaxy s2 has a car dock and a desktop dock but they are kinda ugly and phone wont fit with a case on it.
My dream phone would be the atrix with the camera and mic of the sgs2, and the hdmi mirroring quality of the the galaxy s2 but through the HDMI port and not a MHL port.
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I got my Atrix when it first came out and had always the feeling that it is too slow for the hardware that it has. It's a great phone but I think Blur is slowing it down. I unlocked the bootloader and flashed CM7 and it was pretty smooth but I went back to "stock" Atrix blur. After GB for Atrix came out I always had the feeling that the screen is less sensitive if compared to my old MT4G and Nexus S. I tried the SGII and I fell in love. Not because of the SAMOLED. Not a big fan of it but because of the sensitivity of the screen. Pretty similar to the iPhone and it is way snappier. I don't miss the qHD display of the Atrix at all. I miss maybe the form factor because 4.3 of the SGII is the upper limit. A reason why I am not really crazy about the nexus prime with 4.6 and rather bought the SGII. Both are good phones but something is totally messed up with the Atrix screen sensitivity that shouldn't.
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I got my Atrix when it first came out and had always the feeling that it is too slow for the hardware that it has. It's a great phone but I think Blur is slowing it down. I unlocked the bootloader and flashed CM7 and it was pretty smooth but I went back to "stock" Atrix blur. After GB for Atrix came out I always had the feeling that the screen is less sensitive if compared to my old MT4G and Nexus S. I tried the SGII and I fell in love. Not because of the SAMOLED. Not a big fan of it but because of the sensitivity of the screen. Pretty similar to the iPhone and it is way snappier. I don't miss the qHD display of the Atrix at all. I miss maybe the form factor because 4.3 of the SGII is the upper limit. A reason why I am not really crazy about the nexus prime with 4.6 and rather bought the SGII. Both are good phones but something is totally messed up with the Atrix screen sensitivity that shouldn't.
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The more I have been using the sgs2 the more im starting to like it.
The at&t site shows the phone under 3g but not 4g.... Is that true?
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Nevermind. If you click 4g only it doesn't show up but when you find it under new phones....It says 3g. LOL. And it does have HSPA with backhaul.
Good Stuff and info!
Another dual owner here. I got the Atrix after the gingerbread update to replace a captivate. I bought it outright and it came loaded with 2.3.4. I still had my upgrade so I picked up the SGSII on launch day. I will go a few more weeks before deciding on whether the SGSII is "upgrade worthy". I am keeping my Atrix regardless. I have not rooted since my captivate so the custom ROM's etc do not affect my usage. Would probably not use the HMDI etc since I have enough devices to play on my TV without using my phone.
Some quick impressions on advantages over the other:
Atrix-
GPS is faster and dead on accurate
Screen resolution, took a while to get used to it, but I like it
Battery life! 30+% longer for my usage than SGSII
Better Bluetooth with My Audi Q5 than SGSII. Not sure why, but I have dropped several more calls with the SGSII than my Atrix.
Build quality, just feel more solid
Updates. I understand the Atrix has been updated 4 time since launch
SGSII-
Touchwiz is tons better than motoblur in terms of integration and widgets. I use launcher pro but have been able to go a day on touch wiz which I have not done on blur. I hate that you have to have a blur account and sign back into it every time I switch my SIM from one to the other or when you just use on wifi without SIM card.
Camera. For all the reason shown in this thread. Pictures and Video.
Samsung stock extras- Such as settings on notification toolbar.
I get a 2500+ on quadrant for the Atrix and 3500+ on the SGSII but I have yet to see any practical differences when using the phones.
If I had to pick right now I would take the SGSII back and wait to see what is coming after the new year. I will try another two weeks before making up my mind.
Just my .02 cents!
Little help
I'm new on Android subject.
I like to know how you mirrored video stream on Atrix.
Thankz.
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I'm new on Android subject.
I like to know how you mirrored video stream on Atrix.
Thankz.
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Thankz man, can I have link?
i'm now on Infuse
"S7 Plus" rumours are fewer & fewer, I think we're only getting 5.1 + 5.5Edge
Really want a 5.7" Galaxy S7 Plus, NON EDGE edition.
I do not like the crappy changes to the Note 5 (IR, MicroSD, battery, no USB C)
Really was hoping for an S7, USB-C, IR Blaster, MicroSD (I can get over the battery) but it has to be 5.7"
I think I'm doomed. Don't want to wait until Sept / Oct for a Note 6 (if they even fix the poor decisions of the Note 5)
Anyone else looking at the S7 large, hoping the rumours were true?
Yes me too but i really wish that the note 6 comes along with the s6 and the s6 edge Samsung always push all the boundaries with her note serie and i heard that all the missing features are coming back as the IR and micro SD
I have a bad feeling the Note will remain a bad series now, no IR Blaster, no MicroSD - they'll aim it at "business" or something.
Also I don't NEED OR WANT the stupid S-Pen, it's wasting potential battery space.
What you described is the Note 5.... It's just a larger S6 really. Wait for the Note 6 and you'll get a larger S7.
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What you described is the Note 5.... It's just a larger S6 really. Wait for the Note 6 and you'll get a larger S7.
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They still axed the IR Blaster from S6 to N5 though
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They still axed the IR Blaster from S6 to N5 though
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They probably won't bring it back on the S7 either.
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They probably won't bring it back on the S7 either.
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The question I ask myself is what was their rationale in removing the IR blaster, really! If they bring the IR and SD Card back, then I may consider another Samsung handset in the future; I could care less about the battery really. Until then, my N4 is a damn rockstar which I hope to keep for as long as I can. I do envy the more memory and speed other Samsung phones are coming out with and other OEMs are pushing, but the N4 is like the zenith of the Samsung days before their decline to mediocrity Apple-like scheme.
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The question I ask myself is what was their rationale in removing the IR blaster, really! If they bring the IR and SD Card back, then I may consider another Samsung handset in the future; I could care less about the battery really. Until then, my N4 is a damn rockstar which I hope to keep for as long as I can. I do envy the more memory and speed other Samsung phones are coming out with and other OEMs are pushing, but the N4 is like the zenith of the Samsung days before their decline to mediocrity Apple-like scheme.
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The IR blaster was one of those retro things one phone brought back and others followed, it's likely due to cost. I don't know anyone personally who actually used it on theirs. I think I tried it once or twice to mess with a TV at a bar, but that was it.
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The IR blaster was one of those retro things one phone brought back and others followed, it's likely due to cost. I don't know anyone personally who actually used it on theirs. I think I tried it once or twice to mess with a TV at a bar, but that was it.
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I see. I use it everyday, even if I have my xfinity remote next to me, I just open up 'Peel Smart' and get a personalized listing of my fav channels, shows, and with their latest update, personalized shows and channels with reminders to even remotely set your DVR to record your fav show/movie if you have any set up along with the app, to record your show. It is a nice convenience to have. I guess it is what it is!
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They anyway have too many SKU's to maintain. 2 flagships during 1st half of year is more than enough for them and the world.
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They probably won't bring it back on the S7 either.
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Multiple mockups of the S7 case accommodates the IR Blaster.
One of the leakers on twitter continues to claim these will NOT have USB-C
It's 2016.
No USB-C
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I can't imagine that Samsung would not include USB-C with the S7. I can't say that it would be a deal breaker for me, but it would be a big let down.
I wonder how are they going to manage the confusion with S7 and S6 Mini coming out in a short time - unless they plan to scrap S6 Mini and supersede it with S7 Mini...
First USB-C rumour printed by Sammobile, sounds like wild speculation to me, considering no one else said anything positive about USB-C at all.
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One of the leakers on twitter continues to claim these will NOT have USB-C
It's 2016.
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Now this is one thing which willl create a lot of debate. Practically speaking, you are not going to gain much with USB-C.
1. Fast charging can happen without USB-C. S6/Note5 charges faster than Nexus 5x/6p with USB-C.
2. Transfer rate bottleneck is NAND rather than protocol bandwidth. You can use Wifi if you need better throughput.
Instead look at the flip side:
I will need extra cables. And USB-C cables are really bad now, most what you find in normal stores are really bad quality. Check this out:
https://plus.google.com/collection/s0Inv
https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A25GROL6KJV3QG/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp
http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/4/10916264/usb-c-russian-roulette-power-cords
If you want to hunt for cables, you will probably have to use this link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0
See many of the cables are just bad. With normal microUSB, nobody is going to face this problem. Also a question of existing accessories and Gear VR. Gear VR works only with microUSB. I don't think normal consumer is going to go through all this hassle before buying a cable, and may end up frying the phone. microUSB in 2016 isn't such a bad thing.
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Now this is one thing which willl create a lot of debate. Practically speaking, you are not going to gain much with USB-C.
1. Fast charging can happen without USB-C. S6/Note5 charges faster than Nexus 5x/6p with USB-C.
2. Transfer rate bottleneck is NAND rather than protocol bandwidth. You can use Wifi if you need better throughput.
Instead look at the flip side:
I will need extra cables. And USB-C cables are really bad now, most what you find in normal stores are really bad quality. Check this out:
https://plus.google.com/collection/s0Inv
https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A25GROL6KJV3QG/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp
http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/4/10916264/usb-c-russian-roulette-power-cords
If you want to hunt for cables, you will probably have to use this link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0
See many of the cables are just bad. With normal microUSB, nobody is going to face this problem. Also a question of existing accessories and Gear VR. Gear VR works only with microUSB. I don't think normal consumer is going to go through all this hassle before buying a cable, and may end up frying the phone. microUSB in 2016 isn't such a bad thing.
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"Not much to gain" is irrelevant, it's about adopting modern technologies which ensure you're "future proofing" your device.
I intend to move to all USB-C as soon as possible, it can put through more power, it can be faster than MicroUSB. Also claiming nand is the bottleneck is fine on older phones, the S6 onwards has UFS IIRC and vastly faster memory than they used to.
You DO NOT sell a "flagship phone" in 2016 without USB-C when the mid range good ones have USB-C. In 12 months they all will, period. Adopt now.
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"Not much to gain" is irrelevant, it's about adopting modern technologies which ensure you're "future proofing" your device.
I intend to move to all USB-C as soon as possible, it can put through more power, it can be faster than MicroUSB. Also claiming nand is the bottleneck is fine on older phones, the S6 onwards has UFS IIRC and vastly faster memory than they used to.
You DO NOT sell a "flagship phone" in 2016 without USB-C when the mid range good ones have USB-C. In 12 months they all will, period. Adopt now.
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Talk in terms of data/specifics rather than intangibles like "future proofing".
1. What future proofing are you talking about? Other than reversible connector, what advantage does One Plus 2 provide over microUSB in S6? First mention it specifically and than we will discuss.
2. Regards to charging, S6/Note5 and other devices can charge faster than USB-C in Nexus 6p? So what is your argument here?
3. If you want to transfer data fast, you can easily use Wifi, or do you have anything against using Wifi?
Let's just assume everything above is irrelevant to you, how do you connect the Gear VR?
And most of all, how do you stop the common man from buying rogue USB-C cable? When I catagorically showed you proof that most USB-C cables are bad, and some can actually fryb your system, how do you stop the common man from buying those?
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016...e-thats-so-bad-it-fried-his-chromebook-pixel/
^^ Tell me how you stop a common man from doing the same mistake, when the Google engineer couldn't avoid it? Smaung thinks about common man who has no clue about technology, not geeks in XDA.
New technologies are all good, but one needs to have proper situation to send it to mass market. The first 4G LTE smartphone (like Thunderboth) were technically "future-proof". But they had pathetic batterylife during initial stages of LTE technology. What was the use of "future proofing" when it resulted in negative result?
Stop, you're embarrassing yourself, just stop.
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Stop, you're embarrassing yourself, just stop.
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All you have done is throw across buzz words like "future proofing" just like someone with no knowledge in this topic. You don't have answer to single points I raised, but all you want is so-called future proofing. I bet you are a guy who thinks camera quality is measured by number of mega pixels. Your last statement just proves you have no valid argument, but just conceding defeat. In last 6 hours, you have not come-up with a single answer/point to disaprove anything I said.
You don't even need a pea-sized brain to type that last statement.
I am currently on T-mobile with an s edge+, I am pretty much tired of everything about thos phone and T-mobile. Im probably going to verizon very soon. Would the Z force be a good phone to get at this point or try to tough it out till a better phone releases?
aside from the lack of root, lack of 3.5mm headphone jack (WTF?), and the lack of decent front-facing stereo speakers (largely offset by the availability of the JBL MotoMod however), this is hands down the best phone I've owned.
Battery life is amazing, and it charges incredibly fast as well. Total game changer. Camera is decent although not spectacular. Screen is great. CPU is fast. MicroSD means I never run out of storage.
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aside from the lack of root, lack of 3.5mm headphone jack (WTF?), and the lack of decent front-facing stereo speakers (largely offset by the availability of the JBL MotoMod however), this is hands down the best phone I've owned.
Battery life is amazing, and it charges incredibly fast as well. Total game changer. Camera is decent although not spectacular. Screen is great. CPU is fast. MicroSD means I never run out of storage.
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I second all of this, although I have headphones with a removeable audio cord so my adapter stays in the cord and I use it for any aux input in vehicles...the jbl mod is great for music and speakerphone. Root doesnt affect me...seems most want it for the mobile hotspot. I had the phone since day one in verizon prepaid and the hotspot is active without any sim card tricks. If you can afford the phone upfront I suggest prepaid, look into the cost savings over a two year period. When I did it for my useage and the plans available at the time it was almost $1200 cheaper and all I lacked was hd voice video and wifi calling which has since been rolled out to prepaid customers
hmm i didnt notice the lack of headphone jack. im on the fence about this one.. i so rarely use the headphone jack that i doubt id miss it.
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hmm i didnt notice the lack of headphone jack. im on the fence about this one.. i so rarely use the headphone jack that i doubt id miss it.
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If you rarely use it chances are that means uou only have one thing you plug into it? It comes with an adapter that has a rubber strap that holds the cords together.
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If you rarely use it chances are that means uou only have one thing you plug into it? It comes with an adapter that has a rubber strap that holds the cords together.
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does it? nice, i have a pair of aftershokz wireless that i mainly use. this phone is the top of my list for the switch, it has all the stuff i want... nougat, vr capabilities, non curved screen. and it has the ability to connect stuff to it. i may very well have one by the end of the weekend. how rugged is this phone? if i accidentally drop it will it explode like my crappy s6 edge+ did?
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does it? nice, i have a pair of aftershokz wireless that i mainly use. this phone is the top of my list for the switch, it has all the stuff i want... nougat, vr capabilities, non curved screen. and it has the ability to connect stuff to it. i may very well have one by the end of the weekend. how rugged is this phone? if i accidentally drop it will it explode like my crappy s6 edge+ did?
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I wouldnt recommend drop testing it but I have dropped mine way more than Id like to admit...the edges get scratched up and the style shell falls off...the jbl mod does not as it has stronger magnets. Dropped it in tile concrete and asphalt and it is still going strong.
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I wouldnt recommend drop testing it but I have dropped mine way more than Id like to admit...the edges get scratched up and the style shell falls off...the jbl mod does not as it has stronger magnets. Dropped it in tile concrete and asphalt and it is still going strong.
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i dont plan on testing it that way, and i do plan on getting an otterbox defender until i do get some mods.
Z Force uses a layered polymer screen, not glass, so it's alleged to be shatter proof. In fact, if you manage to get a gouge on the screen but the rest of the phone is undamaged, Motorola believes in their product so much I've been told they'll send you a new phone for free (not willing to test this on my own phone, but I have it from a good source).
First responder said camera is not spectacular... Not sure what he would consider to be spectacular as it has a 21mp rear camera. Also one of the mods available will turn it basically into a high end digital camera. Also the first phone I've ever owned that has a front facing flash. Not that I'm a huge selfie buff, but if you are then that's a big plus.
All in all I'm loving this phone. It has a couple of quirks, like the lack of a photo gallery app like my GS6 had (have to go through the File Manager to get anything similar since I hate Google Photos), and I can't seem to use my Samsung Gear with it (although Samsung swears up and down it should work), but it seems to be worth the drawbacks in the 3 days I've had it.
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Z Force uses a layered polymer screen, not glass, so it's alleged to be shatter proof. In fact, if you manage to get a gouge on the screen but the rest of the phone is undamaged, Motorola believes in their product so much I've been told they'll send you a new phone for free (not willing to test this on my own phone, but I have it from a good source).
First responder said camera is not spectacular... Not sure what he would consider to be spectacular as it has a 21mp rear camera. Also one of the mods available will turn it basically into a high end digital camera. Also the first phone I've ever owned that has a front facing flash. Not that I'm a huge selfie buff, but if you are then that's a big plus.
All in all I'm loving this phone. It has a couple of quirks, like the lack of a photo gallery app like my GS6 had (have to go through the File Manager to get anything similar since I hate Google Photos), and I can't seem to use my Samsung Gear with it (although Samsung swears up and down it should work), but it seems to be worth the drawbacks in the 3 days I've had it.
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wow that sounds great.. pretty much everything.. the gallery I can get around, I almost never use it anyway.
what gear do you have? if its the tizen bs os then probably not. i have the gear 2 neo floating around here somewhere.. found a mod to drop tizen and put wear on it. best the watch has worked since i got it.
Edit: just ordered mine, should be here tuesday!
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what gear do you have? if its the tizen bs os then probably not. i have the gear 2 neo floating around here somewhere.. found a mod to drop tizen and put wear on it. best the watch has worked since i got it.
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The Gear 2 Neo is, in fact, the one I have. I've always used it straight out of the box, worked great for me but that was with a phone designed for it. If you have an alternate option I'm definitely open to making it work with this phone!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/gear-2/development/please-help-kernel-compiling-android-t2992953
thats what i used.. worked great
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First responder said camera is not spectacular... Not sure what he would consider to be spectacular as it has a 21mp rear camera. Also one of the mods available will turn it basically into a high end digital camera.
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I actually work in the camera sensor industry (primarily infrared, but much is still applicable here). There is a lot more to image quality than megapixels. Image processing algorithms, sensor hardware features, optics, optics, and optics, all play a huge factor. Oh, and optics too. In fact, MP is such an obsolete measure of a camera's performance, I'd typically prefer a lower pixel count with a larger pixel size; all other factors being equal, a larger pixel will perform better in low light situations. Now, depending on the design, on large pixel count sensors, you can sometimes do tricks such as pixel aggregation, where you cluster multiple nearby pixels into one larger, virtual pixel, but often times in cell phones, that sort of image resizing is done in software after the fact, drastically reducing the benefits.
Now don't get me wrong, the Z Force camera has a lot of positives going for it. Ease of use, low shutter lag, good feature set (manual controls such as ISO, etc). Front & rear flashes do a decent job too (front flash is great for drunken selfies). But in general, the snapshot mode image quality still pales in comparison to my wife's iPhone 7+, which is simply amazing. In expert hands, with sufficient setup time, maybe this one is nearly as good, but the default point & shoot images are never as good.
I haven't used the Hasselblad Moto Mod, and while it does look pretty good, keep in mind that it isn't a true Hasselblad camera; they just licensed their name for it.
That being said, the built in camera is still very good, but it just isn't as good as some of the others.
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I actually work in the camera sensor industry
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Cheater! You know too much!
Seriously though, thanks for clarifying that. I've always gone by whatever camera had higher numbers. My experience in photography was before the proliferation of digital and I never did much research into the translation from the film days. Glad to learn something new here... Although I will still never buy an iPhone until Apple does away with iTunes.
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Front & rear flashes do a decent job too (front flash is great for drunken selfies).
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I like the way you put that. In fact, I think that should be in their advertising. "Are you nuts about taking drunken selfies with your friends? Buy the Moto Z Force for the best drunken selfies you've ever taken!"
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wow that sounds great.. pretty much everything.. the gallery I can get around, I almost never use it anyway.
what gear do you have? if its the tizen bs os then probably not. i have the gear 2 neo floating around here somewhere.. found a mod to drop tizen and put wear on it. best the watch has worked since i got it.
Edit: just ordered mine, should be here tuesday!
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Gallery app was released in the forum some time ago... Not a big issue, but stupid on Moto removing it. I'm using QuickPic as a replacement, as the stock gallery would crash when installed as a userdata app for me.
As for the lack of 3.5mm, to be honest, as long as you have the adapter, you're fine. What kills me is I LOST my stock adapter, which was by far the best USB-C adapter around. Your only solutions are chinese adapters or to find someone on ebay/Amazon which charges close to 15$ US for the adapter... At least in Canada.
I agree with everything that was said here otherwise: The Z-Force is by far the best phone I've owned.
just got mine last night, and wow... such an amazing phone so far.
The moto z and z force are very underrated phones. Shame it isn't more popular/have more active dev community.
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I have it and love it, if you are going to say no please elaborate.
LeeMullinsII said:
I have it and love it, if you are going to say no please elaborate.
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I have it but I love my wife...still.
Not rootable. Verizon blocked VoLte and VoWifi for other networks. Phone is unlocked but mostly useless when I cant switch on Wifi call or HD call. I will hold it in drawer untill bootloader will become unlockable.
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