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Have you thanked a dev today?

Part of what makes android great is its openness. I have, and absolutely hated, an HTC Hero. CM6 and all the kernals out there (and swype) changed that. It's still a laggy pile, but I have a feeling if I went back to the stock rom I'd be shocked at how bad it is.
Anyway, to get to the point, my friend got an intercept from virgin mobile, and I found out my brother has a moment. I was looking into custom Roms and whatnot for them to speed up their phones, assuming that with all the projects going on, they had something like we do.
As far as I can tell, they don't. Granted I've invested some time in the hero, so the "where do I even start" factor isn't nearly as high, but both the moment and instinct appeared to be in complete dissarray. There are 200 updates for the stock eclair rom and 200 roms based off of all of them. It seemed like no matter what rom you ran there was some "well this is faster, but the video camera doesn't work", style trade offs. As far as I could tell they've got about as much of a CM6 port, the only attempt at froyo I could see, running on the moment as ASOP had running on his heroc gingerbread build about 6 hours after the SDK hit.
So, I don't know if we got lucky that the smart/right guys got a hero as their phone, or if samsung phones are a tougher nut to crack, or what, but we really have it good over here. Even this forum itself is better and easier than the alternatives.
So, long story short, thanks for all the hard work boys and girls.
Edit: And it's quite possible, probable even, I'm wrong and there are tons of Froyo fully functioning roms for the moment, but the point still remains that there's so much crap out there that you know know what's what.

I could not agree more. I have read a lot here in the Hero community (hence my low post count, I wanted to learn, not have my hand held) Then I started exploring XDA, especially from my phone. It's amazing how much talent there is in the Hero forums, even compared to newer, better phones.

Echoing Fer's comment, XDA forums were a huge part of the reason that I got an Android phone vs. becoming an IPhone devotee. Constant improvements have been wonderful.
I know that I am NOT the reason that you, the developers, do what you do. But please accept my thanks for your irresistible urge to examine and improve.
Arnold

Anyone Feel Like the Desire Z/G2 Lacks Development....

in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.

I believe that there is in fact a huge rom development out there. I can see why your frustrated with certain things not being there, but you have to remember how hard it was to crack root on this phone, therefore it is harder to do certain things to it. Where as the galaxy s series is easy as pie to root and hack, along with the evo and older phones. Just mosey on other phone forums and notice the lack of development that they have. There are other great phones, like the evo shift 4G and others that aren't getting love like this phone.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.

theratdude64 said:
haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
Sent from my crack-addicted G2 injected with CM7.

Yep, I tried to help a friend with a Cliq and found that too. He was sooo excited for his 2.1 OTA that was super late from the initial promise date that he was expecting. And I found just about zero following for that thing.
I ran bionix for a bit, and I think overall I prefer the Axura over it, except the newest one doesn't have HD Camcorder as of now

TJBunch1228 said:
I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
Sent from my crack-addicted G2 injected with CM7.
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What up RatDude? Haha, I had a cliq before this phone and got it when it was just released. I rooted that thing since day one flashing all kinds of buggy roms. That's what started it all.They've come a long way. I used modmymobile.com and they have some pretty good development, and some really good roms. The thing doesn't compare to my G2 though!
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND

boost3d23 said:
in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
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I love development and the Android community. So much choices to satisfy anyone's flavor. Here in the G2/Desire Z forums, I believe there is plenty of development. QUALITY development.
In the G1 forums, when it was still really popular, you would just see the forums flooded with all different kinds of ROMs, from several devs. I tried out tons of them, but none of them, except a handful were well made (Cyanogen, JAC, Haykuro, to name a few). Pretty much all the half assed ones were all basic copies of all the other ones, or rip offs of the good ones. In addition there were only two types: stock and sense.
With our forums, we have so many possibilities. Stock, modified stock, froyo, gingerbread, sense, miui. Our hardware can actually support all this too and run well, unlike on other devices.
It doesn't end at roms. We have kernels, modifications, hacks. Anything to make your phone unique. And may I say, our processor is an overclocking champion. I can load up the 1.8 Ghz kernel and run it all day every day, stable. Now, I don't do it, but it's nice to have the option.
In addition to all of this, our phone is still relatively current. Next gen snapdragon processor, nearly 2 gigs of accessible rom, 512 megs of ram, decent screen, stock froyo. I don't see why the G2 wouldn't receive a 2.3 OTA.
As time progresses, I can see more and more devs pop up to try and take the reigns of development for this forum. It's a matter of when, not if.

theratdude64 said:
yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Haha, funny. Yup your right it was but they do a lot to the cliq on there. The blurry eclair rom was sweet.
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I don't really feel that way at all. There are the roms that most consider relevant, the sense roms (which has been consolidated into virtuous) and the cyanogenmod team that is so large now that most of the top developers have teamed up. Sure the number of roms are down but the quality is top notch
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I agree to a certain point. If it wasn't for the Devs then this phone wouldn't see anything. There is barely any support from the manufacturers (ie. docks, car docks). They released the G2/Dezire Z then the Nexus S comes out and it's a forgotten phone from their standpoint.

theratdude64 said:
yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Yeah, modmymoto was the best site around for Moto modding. Good to see an original Moto modder here. I also modded Motorolas, I modded two RAZR V3's . I loved the fact that you could seriouly mod EVERY LITTLE thing; from small stuff like removing the anoying buzz noise when the phone is near a speaker through a seem edit to stuff like changing the housing to all gold, I saw this one guy put a see-through housing on his RAZR V3 wand made his keypad gold and all the sound up and down buttons down or some other bits of gold parts in it. I loved modding Moto's, I remember that I had an iPhone theme with an iPhone icon pack and an iPhone font, I always used the Mulifex way of flashing, I liked that way the most. I loved the fact that I could change my service provider to 'Beast-Mobile' and change the names of the items in the menu, like for example I had my phone book says "my name's Homies" like "KoolKidsKlub's Homies" I wish that I could change stuff like that on an Android phone.

I've modded stuff like this for as long as I can remember XDA rules, lol. I once bricked a Moto Rokr E8, but I think that's about the only thing I've genuinely bricked haha. I always tell people it usually takes talent to brick an android. I just scored a Vibrant because it was "bricked" and I resurrected it.
[email protected] the post that if this phone didn't have Dev's, it wouldn't see anything at all. I haven't seen any docks for it, yet there are dock settings. Yet the phone I do have a dock for has no dock settings

If you listen real close, you can hear the crickets in here.

In case people havent noticed, real development around here has slowed to a crawl. With the GalaxyS 4G now selling and TMO ending the sale of the vibrant, we have slipped onto the backburner. This is what is great about cyanogenmod also. As long as we get on the supported devices list, we will always get updates that we can build.
I am also pretty sure the sheer annoyance of the vibrant forums has made quite a few want to leave the platform, for that reason alone. I almost sold mine for that reason, go read the G1 forums, they already have honeycomb, and it is because they are working together, not complaining about release of something new. They just dont realize that they are new themes, not features.

d33dvb said:
In case people havent noticed, real development around here has slowed to a crawl. With the GalaxyS 4G now selling and TMO ending the sale of the vibrant, we have slipped onto the backburner. This is what is great about cyanogenmod also. As long as we get on the supported devices list, we will always get updates that we can build.
I am also pretty sure the sheer annoyance of the vibrant forums has made quite a few want to leave the platform, for that reason alone. I almost sold mine for that reason, go read the G1 forums, they already have honeycomb, and it is because they are working together, not complaining about release of something new. They just dont realize that they are new themes, not features.
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Ehh I have to disagree, I think were doing way better than what we were, Yeah the other devs that left were great, but we still have some good devs around, I think will be fine for the time being, Atleast until the sgs2 comes out.

We've got are the same great roms we always had as before, which have been improved, a bunch of new 2.2.1 roms, made possible by Eugene before he left, and 2 Gingerbread betas.
I think the plateau development has hit is due to the lack of Gingerbread source. The only keck was for i9000, iirc. Froyo roms are perfect as they are. More great leaps will come in due time.

One Gingerbread leak. JUST ONE GINGERBREAD LEAK.
You will see development increase by 300%+

Longcat14 said:
One Gingerbread leak. JUST ONE GINGERBREAD LEAK.
You will see development increase by 300%+
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Exactly! 1 tiny little leak will change the game! Dude imagine if it was a tiny leak of honey comb, that would be the biggest game changer on earth lol
Only one can dream.

What do you want your phone to do that development hasn't already provided?
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WTH are you talking about? I keep seeing posts about development stopping but I set half a dozen roms from 2.2, 2.2.1 available and 2.3 ports with MIUI, CM7, and Whitehawx. 5 new kernels in the last few weeks. Do people have short memory or something? In the so call hay days I remember 2 roms from TW, one from Master, and one from Eugene and you have to sit there and wait till Krylon finds a new leak before anything happens.

I agree. I am not sure what kind of OCD phone flashing desire some people are experiencing. How many ROM flavors can you possibly need. We already have a handful of great developers hacking their way through the current limited software available from various Samsung leaks. Realistically I am happy we have any custom ROMs at all, since the Vibrant specifically is a very small subset of the larger Galaxy S family. Expecting to see the number of options such as those for the Nexus One a while back is simply not realistic.
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I feel like the Vibrant roms for Froyo are almost as good as it's going to get. We've lost some great devs to drama but i think overall we're doing great. Things are going to get hot again when gingerbread drops.

Such little development on the slide?

Can anyone tell my why the mytouch slide development scene is so dead? Everytime I check there is only about 14 people view where as the ancient G1 has over 130 people every time. Filled with no roms that should even be possible on the g1. I even notice this in the droid forums as well but the slide is much faster than the droid yet they have a huge dev scene with a lot of AOSP development going on and they even have the popular miui rom. Anyone care to shed some light on this and give your thoughts?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=766002
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838682
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=860308
We dead scares for almost 4 months last year. There might be an answer in one of those 3 threads.
I'm thinking a lot of the developers that were actually doing things got better phones and just moved on. There's still people out there with little surprises popping up... But yeah, it's kind of quiet around here.
I'd like to see an miui rom ;_;

biglo said:
Can anyone tell my why the mytouch slide development scene is so dead? Everytime I check there is only about 14 people view where as the ancient G1 has over 130 people every time. Filled with no roms that should even be possible on the g1. I even notice this in the droid forums as well but the slide is much faster than the droid yet they have a huge dev scene with a lot of AOSP development going on and they even have the popular miui rom. Anyone care to shed some light on this and give your thoughts?
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hey biglo ik that is what it seems like, but on the contrary, dev for the slide specifically might not be as active as Galaxy S, but as sefEXE said, suprises pop up. U hav to do a little searching to find what you want! So far i have found many things like small time roms and even HD HVGA hacked games (like nova, fast 5, etc.) on these very forums. more than likely they will be posted in a forum with a phone that is similar to the MT3GS, or in the android forum itself! trust and believe though that the android community has not forgotten the thing that put it on the map!
but i agree with sefEXE, miui rom wud b awesome
p.s. i am studying up on how to become a dev! may take time but i can do it , so expect the rom of a lifetime in the coming months (that is, if life doesnt come in and take all the freetime in my life away lol)

Thanks for the reply and good luck accomplishing your goal of becoming a dev. I was trying to learn how to theme but had to take a break.
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I'm actually pretty pleased with the dev community here. it's become sort of a niche. I love my slide. I only wish it had a 1ghz processor. I think what we have here is quality over quantity. The devs that stick with the slide do it because they love it. The few stable roms we have are great.

agreed with digitaldreamer7 ... i guess we will feel better when chacha and salsa roms are totally working, i will use this for a long time if those roms are totally working

i came from the cliq community at simply-android.com and their ROM selection is crazy. There is seriously over 50 ROMS to choose from and have some of the nicest ppl ever. i bought a slide bc i wanted cyanogen on my phone. and now the cliq has a fully functioning CM7 ROM. who would of thought.

cory0821 said:
i came from the cliq community at simply-android.com and their ROM selection is crazy. There is seriously over 50 ROMS to choose from and have some of the nicest ppl ever. i bought a slide bc i wanted cyanogen on my phone. and now the cliq has a fully functioning CM7 ROM. who would of thought.
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+1 to everything you just said. EXACTLY same story as me

Cliq was a real ****ty phone though, and now the Cliq 2 has no roms.

Htc Aria

its bad that the htc aria doesnt get dhat much support nomore. im just saying
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I have to disagree the aria never had ton of roms but the ones that we did get were solid and we still have a couple of great devs that have given us a cm 9 that is currently my daily driver. Hell we even had a taste of miui v4 So I think we are still getting descent support for a device that was never really a blockbuster seller.
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not just the roms just any type of help
sent from my still kicking ass aria

I have always gotten great support and have learned a great deal about the Aria, Android, and smartphones in general just from this sub-forum. Perhaps I can help you with something?

Aria support
I've found plenty of support for this little phone. We just can't expect a lot from such a slow processor. With a larger (16 gb) sd card and the right apps, it's easy to move things around to get the most from this phone.
I haven't tried the new CM9 on the Aria, but for my money, CM7.2 rocks on the Aria! I'm not sure the hardware benefits greatly from ICS, but again, I haven't tried it....yet.

its pretty qood and smooth, im just waiting on the camera to qet fixed
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I think it did fairly well, you have to remember this was the second Android device for ATT and that was two years ago. Times have changed. I definitely applaud the devs that are still here and working on it actively.

I think the phone had excellent support. This was by far one of the nicest communities on XDA-Developers. As mentioned above, although we didn't have a billion ROMs like other phones, the ones we did get were rock solid. Quite honestly, there is no reason you need 100+ different roms on the phone. You either go the CM* route or Sense route.. Big shout out to genepool's liberated 2.2.2 ROM... I think that's the most polished sense ROM out of the bunch. His ROM is how HTC intended the device to run.
What did you need help with? There are lots of people here ready to help, myself included. I don't even have the phone anymore and I still read these forums from time to time.
Edit: I see you're having trouble with the camera. What's wrong with it?

The Aria is a wonderful little phone, and it is a shame HTC abandoned it. However, the community here at XDA has been more than generous to us, and to this day, continues to support the Aria. I owe all the developers a beer or two for their hard work!