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Nexus One, why not 720p officially

Just to start a discussion.
everyone knows N1 is capable of doing video recording on 720p.
I am just wondering, why google does not officially release such capability? Or do you think they just want user to root it and do whatever they want? Desire has it anyway.
I am so looking forward to an official 720p, if it ever happens.

Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.

evilkorn said:
Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.
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Because of the lens?

zachthemaster said:
Because of the lens?
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ok, that too. ;-)
it does a really nice job @ 800xwhatever, but 720p is just too much. it starts having artifacts if there is any motion at all, and any panning/tilting turns the picture terrible. just what i've experienced.

using the latest CM6 nightly i have yet to come across any issues with it, i actually like it, but yea compare it to a real HD camera (not the Evo) but a handheld camera the 720p is crap

slowz3r said:
using the latest CM6 nightly i have yet to come across any issues with it, i actually like it, but yea compare it to a real HD camera (not the Evo) but a handheld camera the 720p is crap
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Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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evilkorn said:
Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.
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Well rooted N1s and desires are able to do it. Better than what HTC gave in the official froyo update too.

zachthemaster said:
Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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I don't think it's the sensor. I think it has to do with how fast the phone can take data from that sensor and do something with it. It can't keep up with the camera flooding it with data at 24 FPS at 720p.

zachthemaster said:
Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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megapixel sensor size doesn't equate to the quality of a camera.
The hardware in the iphone4 is better than that of the nexus one.

JCopernicus said:
megapixel sensor size doesn't equate to the quality of a camera.
The hardware in the iphone4 is better than that of the nexus one.
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Yeah I knew that. I didn't know if the iPhone's hardware was better. I didn't think it was.
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It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you

Stea1thmode said:
It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you
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Aka, see Google Nexus One.
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Stea1thmode said:
It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you
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A bit better (and closer to the truth) explanation would be:
Google have X engineering "horsepower" that can only do Y stuff in a given amount of time. They can:
1) Spend more time upgrading their DEVELOPER phone capabilities (which was never intended to be anything but developer phone) for the sake of the VERY FEW customers that bought this phone while it was in commercial stage (Nexus owners are a tiny percentage of Android device owners),
2) Spend more time enhancing Android system for ALL the current and future customers of ALL phone manufacturers.
Guess which one they would prefer? Not a hard guess, right?
Yes, unfortunately, it's not the one you would prefer.
The same goes for "why not improved graphics driver", "why not improved N support", etc.

I 2nd that.I think that Google engineers are more into improving android os as a whole.
OP,didn't you notice how many updates and radios the desire has compared to ours?
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The iphone4 does 720p and movement really, really well, i was shocked, and admittedly a little jealous. When it is said that the Iphone4's "hardware" is better, is it that the I4's hardware has better quality, or does it just have better specs? In other words, the I4 doesnt have a full ghz processor right? But is it just much better quality? I dont really know what im talking about im just very interested in 720/HD recording on smartphones, definitely a prerequisite going forward...thanks

DMaverick50 said:
The iphone4 does 720p and movement really, really well, i was shocked, and admittedly a little jealous. When it is said that the Iphone4's "hardware" is better, is it that the I4's hardware has better quality, or does it just have better specs? In other words, the I4 doesnt have a full ghz processor right? But is it just much better quality? I dont really know what im talking about im just very interested in 720/HD recording on smartphones, definitely a prerequisite going forward...thanks
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yeah, even when I tested the iPhone 2G camera that has 2MP sensor, it's photo quality was alot better than my Nexus. just the resolution is bigger in Nexus. and iPhone 4 has a Apple A4 1 GHZ processor, that equals almost the same CPU on Nexus but with different GPU on iPhone (PowerVR SGX). it just does it really really well.

The CPU and its main frequency has exactly nothing to do w/ video encoding, most probably. Encoding/decoding in small-scale devices is usually implemented by separate subsystems (packaged with the CPU - that's why they call it SoC).

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The CPU and its main frequency has exactly nothing to do w/ video encoding, most probably. Encoding/decoding in small-scale devices is usually implemented by separate subsystems (packaged with the CPU - that's why they call it SoC).
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i see, so Apple spent a good deal of efforts to specifically make the camera so good...It wasnt just that they made the phone well, and in turn that solid hardware allowed for good camera quality.
I dont even use the N1 video recorder very often but for some reason I really want better capabilities, maybe if I did have much higher fps and resolution I would use it a lot. Currently the fps are really poor, any movement is a blur regardless of the amount of light. And of course 480 is quite dated. But the phone is otherwise top notch, and the 5mp camera is really solid and i use it a lot, under varied conditions.

I imagine the internal memory vs. whatever SD card a normal consumer would get might also play a part. The Android devices that do have 720p officially all have internal memory ( >1GB ), right? So the manufacturers can control the quality of memory used. I would think that Google/HTC would get lots more complaints from the general population who got bargain basement cards from the back of a truck and expected everything to perform flawlessly. I also agree with above points about the hardware and subsystems. So many variables. But that's also why I like the Android platform. You have a choice (and not just 16GB vs. 32GB locked to one carrier with a contract).

zachthemaster said:
Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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IF I remember correctly, Charansingh said the Iphone achieved 720p by duplicating the image thereby increasing fps to achieve 720p...or something like that. The amount of available light controls the phones ability to reach higher fps. I've gotten 26fps outdoors in bright light. The N1 is set to a max of 30fps, but will only do 1/2 of that indoors. fwiw

[TechDream] What I want the Nexus 3 to be...

Okay, so it's almost 3am as I sit in front of this horribly outdated computer, bored, but deprived of any sense of drowsiness. What better to do before I root my Samsung Nexus S 4G than to start a thread of what I'd want the Nexus 3 to have. Sure, there are other things I could do that would be numerous times better than this one, but I engaged in a few news stories on my Pulse App about some new tech that is coming our way, so this is what I decided on. Feel free to add in some good ideas. Laser beams, shark fins for super-duper galactic reception, retina scanner, etc. Most of what I came up with sounds possible (well, possible to me, but probably because I don't understand much of the complications that'll be in place from trying to squeeze all this power into one device). ANYWAY! On to the dream:
4.3" 1280x720 Super AMOLED Plus HD edge-to-edge capacitive touchscreen with Asahi's Dragontrail glass display
1.5Ghz quad-core 28nm mobile processor with 12-core GPU
2GB 30nm dual channel DDR2 mobile RAM
12MP rear facing camera with full 1080p video recording at 60FPS
LED flash for video recording
Xenon flash for still photos
3MP front facing camera
Proximity Sensor
Ambient Light Sensor
Accelerometer
Gyroscope
Bluetooth 3.0
A-GPS
Digital Compass
802.11 a/b/g/n WiFi
MicroUSB 2.0
3.5mm headphone jack
1930 mAH battery
Noise canceling microphones
Made by Samsung. Why? Because the SGS2 is f*cking sick, they make SAP displays, they're making 30nm DDR2 memory, and because apparently Microsoft makes $5 off every HTC device sold with Android OS. So f*ck that.
Anyway, end of nerd-mode. Just felt like sharing

If I'll carry home a phone like that, my PC will probably kill itself.
I don't need a bigger screen. And mostly, I don't want a bigger phone.
I also think 800x480 (or 854x480 like some Motorola/SE devices) it's a pretty damn good resolution for a 4'' display.
1280x720 it's almost 2.5 times the amount of pixels.
Don't think a 2000mA battery can help so much. :/
Rather, I really hope they take care about battery life in the next generation devices (even NS already perform very well).

Lol, my SNS4G is almost as good as my computer =/ it's pretty sad. I just feel, especially with Super AMOLED Plus, a resolution that high for a 4.3" screen (or even a 4") would just be remarkably amazing. The phone-that-shall-not-be-named has a wonderful display due to the resolution, but I just feel like the size is too small (that's what she said?). So with Samsung's amazing displays, but an HD resolution with just blow my mind! I would seriously throw out my desktop and use my phone for everything.
As for battery life, currently the processors we have now are, I believe 40nm? Maybe 45nm. Such is the Hummingbird. So 28nm, whether is be single, dual, or even quad, would be theoretically insanely battery efficient, especially with such high speed RAM at a low 30nm power. SAP displays also would help with battery life and with dual channel RAM it wouldn't overload and drain the battery.
This is all in theory though. Feel free to punch me and call me a dork, lmao. You are right though, battery tech needs to improve, though I hear they've found some good alternatives that are a great deal better than our current tech.

Battery does need to improve. I'd love to trade my rooted inspire 4G and a brand new Google TV Logitech Revue for the HTC Sensation. I'm so in love with that phone lol.

sheanzyy said:
Battery does need to improve. I'd love to trade my rooted inspire 4G and a brand new Google TV Logitech Revue for the HTC Sensation. I'm so in love with that phone lol.
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How's the Logitech Revue with Google TV working out for you? I really want one, but I'm not sure

EyeslikeOlives said:
How's the Logitech Revue with Google TV working out for you? I really want one, but I'm not sure
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I'm not really sure. It's different. I like accessing the internet/youtube/twitter from my TV, so Google TV is good for that instance. Netflix on it is unbeatable and overall it's nice to own. I don't think it's worth $299 though. I think Google TV is still early and will become something in the months ahead, but I wouldn't pay $299 again. Maybe 150-199$.
The keyboard that it comes with is pretty neat as well.

I think the screen is perfect no need to change 4" is good enough
want htc or sony ericsson to make it
want better and faster processer ofcourse its ganna be upgraded anyway
do not want bigger than nexus s which is current size
must need light notification
need lil better battery life
and some better cameras both front and back
and MUST MUST NEED TO MAKE WORLD PHONE.
other than everything rocks
but this thing need to be changed and must need for next nexus phone

4" is enough for me, super emoled plus, better battery, surround audio speakers, better cameras, better gtalk messenger and a power button placed on the top left of the phone ))
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well, with a 4.3 inch phone, i think the power button is good to go as it is on the nexus s. having it on top makes it hard to press with one hand.
New specs needed apart from the stuff you said:
- fingerprint recognition on the screen
- extra-high capacity antennas so that roaming is no longer needed. you can connect to your network even if u travel abroad

- I want a 4.7" display.
- A freakin notification led already?
- A 6000 mAh battery. No, I don't care about the number. I want it to last for 20 hours of navigation and audio streaming. Maybe solar + motion + humidity trickle charge would help. I want wireless charging, too, anywhere in my house or car.
- Ambient temp/pressure/humidity sensor.
- Full-size holographic keyboard
- Satellite backup for when I don't have a cell signal.
- Stereo speakers that don't sound like crap.
- Usb host.
- I want it to sense eye movement and automatically flip the page when I'm on the last line.
- Print directly to a wifi printer.
- Screen that's transparent when off. Augmented reality? Oh, baby.
- Fully integrated text-to-speech. Read any text displayed on the screen. With auto-scroll.
- Useable OCR.
- On second right, I might keep the 4" screen. Judging by the reach of my thumb when I'm holding it, I'm inclined to agree with Miriam Joire that 4" is the sweet spot. But...
- I want the screen to wrap around the back or retract into a slot in the left edge like a roll top desk, so I can extend it out to 8" for serious reading. (Hey, it's my dream, alright?)
- Forget kickstands. I want a compact magnetic plate desk accessory for electro-magnetic levitation with user-controlled height & angle.
- How about a built-in projector for movies on the fly?
- While we're at it, I want a retractable knife blade and corkscrew, a cigarette lighter, and a Megawatt laser for frying bacon.

sheanzyy said:
I'm not really sure. It's different. I like accessing the internet/youtube/twitter from my TV, so Google TV is good for that instance. Netflix on it is unbeatable and overall it's nice to own. I don't think it's worth $299 though. I think Google TV is still early and will become something in the months ahead, but I wouldn't pay $299 again. Maybe 150-199$.
The keyboard that it comes with is pretty neat as well.
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When it gets 3.1 it will be worth it. I wish the PS3 would get Google TV for a UI.

EyeslikeOlives said:
Okay, so it's almost 3am as I sit in front of this horribly outdated computer, bored, but deprived of any sense of drowsiness. What better to do before I root my Samsung Nexus S 4G than to start a thread of what I'd want the Nexus 3 to have. Sure, there are other things I could do that would be numerous times better than this one, but I engaged in a few news stories on my Pulse App about some new tech that is coming our way, so this is what I decided on. Feel free to add in some good ideas. Laser beams, shark fins for super-duper galactic reception, retina scanner, etc. Most of what I came up with sounds possible (well, possible to me, but probably because I don't understand much of the complications that'll be in place from trying to squeeze all this power into one device). ANYWAY! On to the dream:
4.3" 1280x720 Super AMOLED Plus HD edge-to-edge capacitive touchscreen with Asahi's Dragontrail glass display
1.5Ghz quad-core 28nm mobile processor with 12-core GPU
2GB 30nm dual channel DDR2 mobile RAM
12MP rear facing camera with full 1080p video recording at 60FPS
LED flash for video recording
Xenon flash for still photos
3MP front facing camera
Proximity Sensor
Ambient Light Sensor
Accelerometer
Gyroscope
Bluetooth 3.0
A-GPS
Digital Compass
802.11 a/b/g/n WiFi
MicroUSB 2.0
3.5mm headphone jack
1930 mAH battery
Noise canceling microphones
Made by Samsung. Why? Because the SGS2 is f*cking sick, they make SAP displays, they're making 30nm DDR2 memory, and because apparently Microsoft makes $5 off every HTC device sold with Android OS. So f*ck that.
Anyway, end of nerd-mode. Just felt like sharing
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The only thing I would add to that list is an MHL port and a slightly smaller screen.

MrDrumngun said:
When it gets 3.1 it will be worth it. I wish the PS3 would get Google TV for a UI.
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I completely forgot about that! And didn't they lower the price tag of it to $200? Or was I just dreaming? ._.

SGS3 wish-list. samsung reps should read this lol

SGS3 hardware specs that I'm looking forward to:
1- Exynos 5250.
2- Mali-T604 GPU.
3- 1 GB of RAM is enough.
4- HD Super AMOLED Plus.
5- Corning's Lotus Glass and Oleophobic coating. 4.3 inches screen should be enough.
6- On-screen buttons which double as LED notification (same like Galaxy Nexus)
7- 2500 mAh battery or close to Motorola Droid RAZR MAXX (3300 mAh). Please sacrifice the phone's thinness for this, please!
8- 12MP back camera with superb sensor and optics (superior than that of iPhone 4S or Nokia N8) and yes, camera button too. the camera should be able to record 1080p video at 30fps. DON'T YOU DARE FORGET LED FLASH THIS TIME, SAMSUNG!
9- 2MP front facing camera should be enough.
10- elegant UI which doesn't appear too geeky or too childish. i don't mind if Samsung change UI aspects of Ice Cream Sandwich, as long as it's as gorgeous as stock AOSP.
11- Wolfson DAC (like in SGS1) with loud and clear loudspeaker, but without crackling sounds like Nokia's loudspeaker.
12- great call quality (without drop calls, etc) up to 16 hours (like Motorola Droid RAZR MAXX)
13- maintaining plastic build all around but with a very high quality and premium mix to it. (hint: something like Nokia N9, polycarbonate plastic)
14- 32GB of storage with microSD card slot.
15- HDMI port + cable (out of the box)
16- WiFi Direct
17- NFC
18- Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer sensor.
19- Ultra smooth browser.
20- High quality headset with mic. source: http://www.talkandroid.com/86999-ja...dio-and-bundled-headphones-to-samsung-phones/ (removing the need for Voodoo sound)
21- comes with multiple colours and not just black. i still want to buy the black version. i just don't want others to have the same thing i have. =p
i hope samsung reps read my post then my make my dream come true. i don't mind paying $8xx for a phone that have all this features. *crossing my fingers*

lol nice dreams i wish

Buddy as far as i knw android doesn't support bluetooth 3.0... so why even think mre than 2.0 !!!
Feel free to correct me if i ve got my facts wrng...

I would rather it have the regular plastic look of the S1 ans S2, because a unibody design is only going to raise the price of the phone simply for the sake of aesthetics.

I would rather that they made a phone worked right out of the box and never lied about fixing the problems later( gps anyone? ). Samsung I wish Apple sues your @ss so much that you have to go out of business forever!
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stfudude said:
SGS3 hardware specs that I'm looking forward to:
1- Exynos 5250.
2- Mali-T604 GPU.
3- HD Super AMOLED Plus.
4- Corning's Lotus Glass and Oleophobic coating.
5- 2500 mAh battery or close to Motorola Droid RAZR MAXX (3300 mAh).
6- 12MP back camera with superb sensor and optics (superior than that of iPhone 4S or Nokia N8) and yes, camera button too. the camera should be able to record 1080p video at 30fps. DON'T YOU DARE FORGET LED FLASH THIS TIME, SAMSUNG!
7- 2MP front facing camera capable of 1080p recording at 30fps.
8- elegant UI which doesn't appear too geeky or too childish. i don't mind if Samsung change UI aspects of Ice Cream Sandwich, as long as it's as gorgeous as stock AOSP.
9- better audio than SGS 1 (very loud and clear loudspeaker, but without crackling sounds like Nokia's loudspeaker)
10- great call quality (without drop calls, etc) up to 16 hours.
11- maintaining plastic build all around but with a very high quality and premium mix to it. (hint: something like Nokia N9, polycarbonate plastic)
12- 32GB of storage with microSD card slot.
13- Bluetooth 4.0
14- WiFi Direct
15- NFC
16- Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer sensor.
17- Ultra smooth browser.
18- comes with multiple colours and not just black. i still want to buy the black version. i just don't want others to have the same thing i have. =p
i hope samsung reps read my post then my make my dream come true. *crossing my fingers*
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I wish my SGS would instantly teleport me to the person I'm calling when he answers so we can talk directly instead.
Probably have the same changes of that happening as the SGS3 having all the things you want
but seriously now, and edgeless display is all I ever wanted in a phone and that's all I still want now. Everything else is just a bonus.

Why would you want Bluetooth 4.0? BT4.0 is the ultra low energy variant of Bluetooth and with that comes ultra low range and ultra low speeds. You might want to look into a feature before deciding it is good based purely on the version number.
Other than that your list looks pretty good, if not a bit optimistic. I would be content with just having the same audio quality as the Galaxy S, if you're referring to the Wolfson DAC I mean.

what memory internal of sgs3 ?
it look beterry more stronger then s2

I want a battery that is light and powerful (no overnight charging!!)
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I wish this list would come true. But then there would be nothing left for them to put in samsung s4. By the way any official release date for the s3 as yet ?
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best of luck. Let us know what u want in sgs 4 too

Wouldn't a 720p front facing camera be enough?

What about the screen size?

So bluetooth 4.0 is not that great? OK so I will exclude it from my wish list.
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Why would you want Bluetooth 4.0? BT4.0 is the ultra low energy variant of Bluetooth and with that comes ultra low range and ultra low speeds. You might want to look into a feature before deciding it is good based purely on the version number.
Other than that your list looks pretty good, if not a bit optimistic. I would be content with just having the same audio quality as the Galaxy S, if you're referring to the Wolfson DAC I mean.
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Yeah wolfson is the sh1t
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What about the screen size?
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4.3" should be enough for me.
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I guess Sammy will do all these and come with 256Mb ram

What about FM transmmiter and HDMI output ?

Actually that list looks pretty reasonable (well may be except for the front facing camera).

They need to do more than just put together a group of decent specs like the SGS II.
Things like UI, battery life, build quality, and so on are what really matter.
If the screen is over 4" I won't be interested either.
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Post your IDEAL SGS3!

Hi guys,
Plz post your dream or expected SGS3 specs along with comment:
USE THIS FORMAT:
Quad-core Processor (2ghz or higher)
2gb ram
4.6 to 4.8 in Screen
5mp Front camera (30 fps)
14mp Back Camera
LTE (can handle ATT & Tmo bands)
Micro-HDMI output (like G2X)
Strap insert in housing (fear dropping phone)
COMMENT:
I would love if this phone with these specs plus, i would want the camera to record videos full 1080Hd without being Zoomed-in but rather I can zoom (man this did kill SGS2 for me), Front camera with high frame rate (iphone4 has a higher fps on front cam than SGS2 :-(
A better battery life, i found iphone4 battery lasted longer then my SGS2. Would love if SGS3 would support both AT&T & Tmobile bands just like the American version of SGS2 (i don't expect to happen)

Quad-core Processor (1.5Ghz, + power saving core, .38nm, built in radios)
High end graphics chip
2gb ram
4.3 - 4.8 in Screen, SAMOLED++, haptic touch panel
3.5mp Front camera (30+ fps)
12mp Back Camera (30+ fps), more focus on shutter speed, exposure, quality, than MP
LTE optional (can handle SKT bands, 800 & 1200)
Micro-HDMI output (like G2X)
Dedicated camera button
Optional touchwiz
Waterproof
2500mAh+ battery
No logo on front
Physical home button
inductive charging
COMMENT:
I can only think of the perfect phone when I'm not trying to!

This would be nice. In other words, stop posting these threads

MistahBungle said:
This would be nice. In other words, stop posting these threads
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Well you know what would be nice....... stop looking at these threads.
This is a community get use to it.
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And you know what else would be nice ? People actually follow the rules around here. And when people don't, clowns like you stop defending them.
That would be Nirvana.
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Well you know what would be nice....... stop looking at these threads.
This is a community get use to it.
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MistahBungle said:
And you know what else would be nice ? People actually follow the rules around here. And when people don't, clowns like you stop defending them.
That would be Nirvana.
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Yes boss, no boss, right away boss.
Anything else while you have my undivided attention?
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Top specs which I'm sure Samsung will provide but in particular better build quality rather than cheap plastics, good size battery and decent speakers!
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I'll have you know that the cheap plastic Galaxy S and S II have both survived multiple falls and the rigours of day to day use my me without any physical damage where as my HTC Desire with it's better built quality failed on the first drop... Justsayin.

Intratech said:
I'll have you know that the cheap plastic Galaxy S and S II have both survived multiple falls and the rigours of day to day use my me without any physical damage where as my HTC Desire with it's better built quality failed on the first drop... Justsayin.
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This!
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This is the S II Forum not the SIII so posts like these belong in the General Forum
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Xperia Z vs HTC ONE

Please If I have left something out let me know!
Xperia Z
Thinner
Bigger Screen
Water Proof
Dust Proof
Multitasking Button
microSD, up to 32 GB
DragonTrail Glass
13MP Camera
HTC one
IR Blaster
Higher PPI (469)
Stereo Speakers
UltraPixel Sensor
Built-in Amplifier
Optical Image Stabilization
64GB Storage
HDR Front Camera
Snapdragon 600
Metal Exterior
Viewing Angles
Contrast
Sunlight Visiblity

HTC One is superior in almost all aspects, except no expandable memory slot and the design is not as elegant.
Really annoys me that Sony still haven't released the Xperia Z and all these more powerful phones are coming out now.

this shouting match is already going on here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2155877&page=7

- Xperia: dragontrail hasn't been confirmed by Sony, so we can't really know.
- Built-in amplifier ? All devices with sound output have built-in amplifiers.
- I'm not sure if UltraPixel sensor isn't just higher ISO setting by default, i don't trust marketing like that.
- Xperia also supports 64gb micro cards.
PS. We already have a thread like that - and it draws flame wars etc.

I guess you won't notice a big difference of the screen size...the 5 inch displays of the Sony has to show the buttons at the bottom. On the HTC One they don't "count" to the display.
I haven't decided yet, but I still favor the Xperia Z

Akiainavas said:
- Xperia: dragontrail hasn't been confirmed by Sony, so we can't really know.
- Built-in amplifier ? All devices with sound output have built-in amplifiers.
- I'm not sure if UltraPixel sensor isn't just higher ISO setting by default, i don't trust marketing like that.
- Xperia also supports 64gb micro cards.
PS. We already have a thread like that - and it draws flame wars etc.
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Ultrapixel is just a marketing term the sensor is as big as the sensor in the z but has far less pixels, which is for lots of reasons better, especially for a phone, coupled with de IS it is bound to be better than the z. I think it is a smart move from htc especially for a phone.

The htc one is absolutely gorgeous, the best looking phone I've ever seen, extremely premium aluminium uni body, with what will be the best screen on any phone this year. Having played with an xperia z in store, with its awful washed out screen, average camera, and a build and look that strangely doesn't feel particularly premium in real life, i'm glad I didn't pre order the xperia z

Akiainavas said:
- Xperia: dragontrail hasn't been confirmed by Sony, so we can't really know.
- Built-in amplifier ? All devices with sound output have built-in amplifiers.
- I'm not sure if UltraPixel sensor isn't just higher ISO setting by default, i don't trust marketing like that.
- Xperia also supports 64gb micro cards.
PS. We already have a thread like that - and it draws flame wars etc.
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When i say bult in amplifier I just mean its better than the one in the S3
Officaly the Xperia Z only supports 16GB

Why don't you add the Galaxy S 4 to the topic?
These topic's are so stupid, technology nowadays is going so fast... Each device you're fighting for these days will be outdated in a few months.
Just choose a device and live with it until you can get a newer one.
SO WHAT'S THE POINT!??

only supports 16GB?
get your facts right... :victory:

Akiainavas said:
- Xperia: dragontrail hasn't been confirmed by Sony, so we can't really know.
- Built-in amplifier ? All devices with sound output have built-in amplifiers.
- I'm not sure if UltraPixel sensor isn't just higher ISO setting by default, i don't trust marketing like that.
- Xperia also supports 64gb micro cards.
PS. We already have a thread like that - and it draws flame wars etc.
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Saikyo_San said:
only supports 16GB?
get your facts right... :victory:
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sorry yea its officially 32GB
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z-5204.php

The HTC One also has infinity glass which reduces glare and is resistant to scratching.

Maedhros said:
The HTC One also has infinity glass which reduces glare and is resistant to scratching.
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HTC is also much better in dropping marketing terms
any way probably a better phone.

I honestly really like both phones. There will always be advantages to one phone over the other, but honestly (unless you are a complete pessimist) both phones should be able to keep you happy for around 1-1.5 years minimum.
The thing that I want to understand is the HTC One Capacitive Buttons. You have home and back... but where is menu? Menu is probably one of the most essential buttons in android. Hopefully (this is what I would do) hitting home once would bring up menu, and double tap will go home. Something along those lines. Nothing I am really worried about anyways (AOKP will fix it haha)
I do not really think UI is something to get in a heated debate about... once custom firmware hits you can put whatever you want on. Personally I am going to rock stock AOKP on any phone I get.
Same goes for storage.... Sure XZ has a micro SD slot, but there aren't any micro SDXC cards bigger than 64gb (and might not be for a while), so really the difference between the HTC One and XZ is 64GB vs 80GB at maximum.
The only real criticism I have for Sony is the delayed North American release for the Z and especially the ZL. HTC revealed the phone today and will release in a Month. Xperia ZL was revealed in mid January and wont come out till April. There is no point to reveal an amazing new phone and then release it once it is old news. Shame on Sony for that.
Both phones are awesome, just go for the one you prefer.
Battery life is something I am finding more and more confusing with Android phones. How is it that the HTC Butterfly gets a better battery life test during video streaming than the Xperia Z by over an hour, yet has a 13% smaller battery, same processor,same GPU, and same screen resolution. This seems completely counter-intuitive.
Now for my personal opinion. I prefer the outer design and features of the ZL over the HTC One (I like the idea of as little bezel as possible), however I prefer the One screen and speakers. Not going to make any decisions till the Galaxy S4 comes out.

Just saw camera samples of "ultrapixel" phone... seriously not convinced (they have just made photos from old sensor clear)...compared http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-are-the-first-samples-from-the-htc-one-ultrapixel-camera/# this snap with my old 5mp carl zeiss sensor in nokia n97( similar shot i took of my watch back in 2009)... and BOOM! HTC has gone back 4 years
maybe it will be better if they had released 8MP with ultrapixel... obviously pixels will not remain big and so called ultra pixel will lose its meaning...
well in long run when reviews come out this may not pay well for HTC.
.... happily go with XZ ...
benchmarks are only 5-10% better and that too only due to higher clock CPU .... i m not convinced with snapdragon 600 too .... it did nothing brilliant... over s4 pro... (i dont know if it saves more power)
but then obviously its my view of the summary... lets see what happens... XZ has its own flaws too.

Do you guys really like the UI ? Can't say i like it... especially the drawer. In this aspect Sony's UI is much better for me ( if they got rid of those hideous grey rectangles in the drawer - it'd be perfect for me as far as Android can go, and in terms of UI i'm a big fan of Windows Phone's consistent, simple and clear UI )
nikhiltanwar said:
Just saw camera samples of "ultrapixel" phone... seriously not convinced (they have just made photos from old sensor clear)...compared http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-are-the-first-samples-from-the-htc-one-ultrapixel-camera/# this snap with my old 5mp carl zeiss sensor in nokia n97( similar shot i took of my watch back in 2009)... and BOOM! HTC has gone back 4 years
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Hmm... they're not bad, but certainly nothing "ultra" here. Let's wait for some more camera tests.

nikhiltanwar said:
Just saw camera samples of "ultrapixel" phone... seriously not convinced (they have just made photos from old sensor clear)...compared http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-are-the-first-samples-from-the-htc-one-ultrapixel-camera/# this snap with my old 5mp carl zeiss sensor in nokia n97( similar shot i took of my watch back in 2009)... and BOOM! HTC has gone back 4 years
maybe it will be better if they had released 8MP with ultrapixel... obviously pixels will not remain big and so called ultra pixel will lose its meaning...
well in long run when reviews come out this may not pay well for HTC.
.... happily go with XZ ...
benchmarks are only 5-10% better and that too only due to higher clock CPU .... i m not convinced with snapdragon 600 too .... it did nothing brilliant... over s4 pro... (i dont know if it saves more power)
but then obviously its my view of the summary... lets see what happens... XZ has its own flaws too.
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I think it's gonna be more than 5-10%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=floH0ASIglU
Don't know which to chose myself. I think maybe if the One has good battery life, I'll go with it.

nikhiltanwar said:
Just saw camera samples of "ultrapixel" phone... seriously not convinced (they have just made photos from old sensor clear)...compared http://blog.gsmarena.com/here-are-the-first-samples-from-the-htc-one-ultrapixel-camera/# this snap with my old 5mp carl zeiss sensor in nokia n97( similar shot i took of my watch back in 2009)... and BOOM! HTC has gone back 4 years
maybe it will be better if they had released 8MP with ultrapixel... obviously pixels will not remain big and so called ultra pixel will lose its meaning...
well in long run when reviews come out this may not pay well for HTC.
.... happily go with XZ ...
benchmarks are only 5-10% better and that too only due to higher clock CPU .... i m not convinced with snapdragon 600 too .... it did nothing brilliant... over s4 pro... (i dont know if it saves more power)
but then obviously its my view of the summary... lets see what happens... XZ has its own flaws too.
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I think they are quite good, for a phone hardly any noise, but still a phone no matter how cool the sensor tech (and indeed this is just going back to basics nothing new going on) the lens still sucks, if the lens suck the photo quality sucks it's simple. really great photo's on a phone is just not going to happen (if the phone needs to be thin)
It has the same GPU as the s4 pro, it is a marginal update, maybe it will perform better in some cases. the 800 series will be a different beast.
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Maedhros said:
The HTC One also has infinity glass which reduces glare and is resistant to scratching.
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I heard z has universe glass
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vapotrini said:
I think it's gonna be more than 5-10%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=floH0ASIglU
Don't know which to chose myself. I think maybe if the One has good battery life, I'll go with it.
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summary here :
http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-benchmark-scores-are-here-ready-to-blow-your-mind/
looks more like a overclocking advantage except for quadrant