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just in case you guys are interested
there supposed to be giving a live webcast about the X1 today at around 1 PST
here is the link
http://www.sonyericsson.com/premiere/
i'm goin to try listen in and see what happens.
Seems i've missed it...
Gonna wait for the recording.
God, won't september 30th come already?
I watched this event and have to say I was incredibly disappointed by it. The phone that Magnus was using was so ridiculously slow that I thought it was actually broken. Really. He had a panel that looked fairly customised with the usual array of time/weather/shortcuts/calendar etc and when he opened the keyboard there was about 3 seconds of delay before the screen rotated. However, it didn't stop there. It only redrew most of the screen. It took over 10 seconds for the phone to redraw the icons in landscape mode. How can this possibly be acceptable? 10 seconds?!!? magnus said he had been using this phone as his personal phone for nearly a year and he said he loved it. How many times has he switched from landscape/portrait and wasted 10 seconds of his life waiting for his phone to catch up.
Further to that, the whole thing seemed ridiculously laggy. He covered it up very well by pressing a button and then talking about the feature whilst waiting for it to load. It was painfully obvious though to anyone in the know what was really going on.
I have seen the recent video on theunwired and the screen rotation looks very fast, which is excellent. But perhaps when you have a more heavily loaded panel that fast screen rotation becomes a thing of the past? Also disappointing was the lack of accelerometer.
I was so keen for the X1 but that was 9 months ago. Now I'm going to wait another month or two and get the Touch HD. It lacks the keyboard, but I'll learn to live without.
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Also saw what you did, but he came on a chat at Modaco afterwards and said that he had a lot of apps open; which could be true...did you see how fast Google Maps came up? Each panel is it's own desktop and programs on it keep running, bound to be a memory hog. He was supposed to be using a retail version also, so should be as fast as the unit at The::Unwired.
To be honest, I never have been happy with my TyTn II for the screen rotation, and looking at video of the Touch Pro it doesn't seem much faster.
Maybe if you set the task manager to close apps when you switch away?
I've just rewatched it and it actually took 16 seconds to rotate the screen at one point!!! Surely that's not acceptable, even if there are plenty of apps running. A device can be made smarter than that with more efficient code.
i didn't get a chance to watch but i dunno i had a lot of really high hopes for this phone but it looks like i might be leaning more towards a touch pro but we'll see how long my wizard holds up before i make decisions about what to do
Webcast
For those who miss it, you can watch it @:-
http://www.inxperia.com/index.php/2008/09/15/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-webcast
There is another (GREAT!) review from Arne available:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-hands-on-with-sony-ericsson-s-latest-xperia-x1-built
As you can see, the switching of orientation is very fast in all examples in this video (today screen, photo browser and opera). The LEDs are amazing and the whole device makes a very good impression to me. I also like the "moving slideshow" feature.
It's quite responsive and even the panels pop up in time.
If the reception quality is also good then this will be definitely my next device.
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There is another (GREAT!) review from Arne available:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-hands-on-with-sony-ericsson-s-latest-xperia-x1-built
As you can see, the switching of orientation is very fast in all examples in this video (today screen, photo browser and opera). The LEDs are amazing and the whole device makes a very good impression to me. I also like the "moving slideshow" feature.
It's quite responsive and even the panels pop up in time.
If the reception quality is also good then this will be definitely my next device.
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yea i'm just lookin at this now and i like this a lot better then that crappy webcast they did earlier
arnie did sony a lot more just then they did themselves
wow after watching the SE webcast I find myself turned off by it, you would think they would of added more razzmotazz? Anyone remember the HTC diamond press release? I'm swaying back back towards getting a pro now
Switching between portrait and landscape mode just seems to take milliseconds only and also the panels start much faster than before.
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Let's hope so.
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wow after watching the SE webcast I find myself turned off by it, you would think they would of added more razzmotazz? Anyone remember the HTC diamond press release? I'm swaying back back towards getting a pro now
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you should check out the other link posted it gives the xperia better justice then that
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you should check out the other link posted it gives the xperia better justice then that
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yep just watched it and I must say it does give it more justice, I'm back to waiting for the release so a proper comparision can happen.
Well the suit guy (what a douchebag...) did say that he has been using THAT device since february, so it's probably some alpha version of the device
While the other video it's the almost release beta version.
I still think the device that modaco have done a small video review of is too slow. I mean, surely we're past the stage where we have to wait for things to happen. I don't want a phone that you press a button then wait for something to happen, or open the keyboard and wait for the screen to redraw. The first Diamond roms were a fairly slow, and after updating mine it was much better, so perhaps something like that will occur with the xperia. If not, I'll be glossing over this sexy device!
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yep just watched it and I must say it does give it more justice, I'm back to waiting for the release so a proper comparison can happen.
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yea same here i just hope my wizard hooks up long enough if not i might have to get a tilt and might wait till refurb's of the X1 are selling
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Well the suit guy (what a douchebag...) did say that he has been using THAT device since february, so it's probably some alpha version of the device
While the other video it's the almost release beta version.
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i know if i had be using my phone for that long with out any backups or a new rom update my phone would have probably been as slow as that also
given that he's not a romhead like us if you don't know what to do with it you'll just let it be unlike us rom start running slow we flash it with something new with the quickness
I'm incredibly disappointed.
Response time for screen switching was a joke ... I've never had an issue with my TyTN or TyTNII ... even though I know some have ... but it was several seconds on the X1 in the video. Also it then seemed to take another 10 seconds to finish populating the screen with icons. The guy then left it open which suggests to me he didn't want to draw too much attention to the time it took.
They were reluctant to answer most technical questions and skirted over the ... it doesn't have tv out one. I was also amazed no one commented on 30FPS performance issues ... I watched the recorded one. I suspect they avoided any difficult incoming questions.
My gut feel is that this will be a very poor showing in it's initial release and if the P series are anything to go by ... updates fixing issues will be few and far between.
This was looking like a dream phone for me ... but now I'm not prepared to buy without trying first hand.
The TouchPro isn't enough of a jump over the TyTN II - same rubbish stills and video and no extra width to the screen ... 800x480 is native for most websites ... so the extra resolution for WVGA makes far more sense than VGA and the G900 showed me there were no issues with apps.
The Touch HD excited me ... and I thought I may get away without the keyboard ... but it also worries me in too many areas ... the first ... although it is 5mp ... the lens is no where as big as the N95 and therefore won't get enough light in to produce decent pictures ... and video is still QVGA which is just crazy for a modern high end device ... it's a little like bring out a car today with a 3 speed auto ... it was fine in '78 with a big old Ford Essex ... but not today. There are also many unanswered questions - Is there TV-Out or not ? How will games be played or those apps that rely today on the dpad - many today screens like Breeze etc ? The touch sensitive buttons ... if they are like the Samsung's we will all be closing calls with out cheeks mid conversation and dialing people when we just pick up the phone to move it.
Why can't these designers think a little. The capability of these phone is amazing now ... but they always miss out those essential things that make a device genuinely complete ... and I don't think it is to hold options for future devices, I just don't think the designers really think things through.
I feel .... very frustrated.
It is always amusing to read the bad and good feelings of all of you here without having one in your own hand. All pre-series and not one of the sold version.
I don't mind this all. I took a great risk to buy the Toshiba G900 with all the bad experiances written about (and the first rom might have been very poor). And what did happen? The G900 is the best manufactured PPC I ever had -best build quality ever seen. With its high resolution it is not slower than my TytnI before. And there you had to wait a good time switching portrait- to landscape-mode.
I am sure the X1 will not only give his owner a very unique design feeling but a good basic to work with. There may be faster PPC, there may be PPC with other features. But most people will buy it in cause of the large screen offering so much more than just 2,8" vga
Buying the X1 will mean not to take the most advantage with games, but texts, internet or similar. Just where the screen has its best sites
if i know htc there will be a Touch HD pro with slide out keyboard after Touch HD
time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
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time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
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AM in the same boat, first time got fed up with xperia problems so much , that i bought a iphone 3gs, although am still using both,,, i cant tell you ,,how much easier things are in 3gs with all the apps around.
vj
Well .. I'm quite disappointed too .. but iPhone just wont cut it for me. For example I require playback of non-converted videos in common formats (avi,mpg,flv). No smartphone can do that well at the moment.
I'm at the moment I'm staying with Xperia and hoping that Palm wont block 3rd part media player development ..
But sure, iPhone, especially the new one, looks great, and everything it can do it does better. Way better.
iPhone is for macfags.
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time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
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The panels interface was indeed the most useless thing ever. That's why I uninstalled it. Although you have had some problems with the X1, you'll encounter new ones with the new iPhone. Add to that, you'll be paying a bucketload of money for that new device. Why would you buy a MacBook? Windows mobile =/ Windows.
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AM in the same boat, first time got fed up with xperia problems so much , that i bought a iphone 3gs, although am still using both,,, i cant tell you ,,how much easier things are in 3gs with all the apps around.
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Interesting that you're still using both. Apparently the iPhone lacks something that the X1 doesn't.
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Well .. I'm quite disappointed too .. but iPhone just wont cut it for me. For example I require playback of non-converted videos in common formats (avi,mpg,flv). No smartphone can do that well at the moment.
I'm at the moment I'm staying with Xperia and hoping that Palm wont block 3rd part media player development ..
But sure, iPhone, especially the new one, looks great, and everything it can do it does better. Way better.
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And another great example of how every device has it's problems. There is simply not one device that has it all.
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iPhone is for macfags.
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That is degenerating, not a proper way to approach posts like the above.
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All in all, personally I prefer the X1 (or any WVGA HTC WM phone) over the iPhone because it's customizable. I like being able to tinker around with it. I also prefer Microsoft's approach (although, I'm aware, they're just as imperfect as any other company) to operating systems.
Then again the iPhone does have much better graphical support, smoother UI etc.
If only Apple and Microsoft would merge
iPhone is for tech illiterate sheep that want to look trendy in front of their equally degenerated friends. Flashy, useless, unproductive toy with features that phones had in 1999............
let us know how you like your iphone.
i was looking and playing with one the other day. it was ok but i like the customization that you can do on the windows mobile. i like the big screen but i didnt like the touch (capacitance?). i like to use my fingernails a bit and it doesnt work on the iphone screen.
The major problem with the iPhone for me is the lack of a hardware keyboard. I can handle a normal phone keypad, prefer a qwerty keyboard but cannot type on a touchscreen. I don't care what some people say, for me, a touchscreen keyboard is not good enough.
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let us know how you like your iphone.
i was looking and playing with one the other day. it was ok but i like the customization that you can do on the windows mobile. i like the big screen but i didnt like the touch (capacitance?). i like to use my fingernails a bit and it doesnt work on the iphone screen.
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Its not just the xperia its self that puts it down - its the lack of a Microsoft Marketplace yet and Windows mobile 6.5 - xperia would be a lot better if Windows Mobile Market place was available and if the scrolling on it was iphone smooth other than that i like my xperia
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The major problem with the iPhone for me is the lack of a hardware keyboard. I can handle a normal phone keypad, prefer a qwerty keyboard but cannot type on a touchscreen. I don't care what some people say, for me, a touchscreen keyboard is not good enough.
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Same - i used ipod touch for typing for ages but after i used xperia keyboard i never want to use a touchscreen keyboard again!
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iPhone is for tech illiterate sheep that want to look trendy in front of their equally degenerated friends. Flashy, useless, unproductive toy with features that phones had in 1999............
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have You ever had an iphone in Your hand? obviously You are talking nonsense. these days You can do almost every thing on ipod that it's doable on winmo. okay... it is not so customizable, but it's interface is simple and just works. works like a charm. I am keeping xperia only untill september and after that I'll get iphone 3gs or something else, maybe n97 or omnia hd. dunno... it pisses me off that for instance I cannot view videos recorded with my wifes n95 8gb without reencoding. that is just f... silly this days.
why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMx6aLGWVU I know, it's not perfect, but try to record something similiar with x1.
please, feel free to give me some reasons why it is worthy to stick with windows mobile except rom flashing and customization of visuals... multitasking is nice, true, but how often You just cannot live without it?? well I can...
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X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped
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Yeah dude! The iPhone of course isn't over hyped at all
You'll regret that soon
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why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
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Exactly what i want in xperia and the smoothness is the main reason i am drawn to the iphone - if the xperia is just as powerfull as the iphone 3G (if not more) why cant it be as smooth is it to do with the resistive touchscreen????
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have You ever had an iphone in Your hand? obviously You are talking nonsense. these days You can do almost every thing on ipod that it's doable on winmo. okay... it is not so customizable, but it's interface is simple and just works. works like a charm. I am keeping xperia only untill september and after that I'll get iphone 3gs or something else, maybe n97 or omnia hd. dunno... it pisses me off that for instance I cannot view videos recorded with my wifes n95 8gb without reencoding. that is just f... silly this days.
why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMx6aLGWVU I know, it's not perfect, but try to record something similiar with x1.
please, feel free to give me some reasons why it is worthy to stick with windows mobile except rom flashing and customization of visuals... multitasking is nice, true, but how often You just cannot live without it?? well I can...
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u say that u cant view videos recorded with an n95 8gb on ur x1 without re-encoding it(i can btw), but how do u intend to do it using an iPhone?
if You are saying that You can view those videos recorded @ 640 x 480 highest quality on n95 8gb smoothly without massive stuttering, then You are lying. period. I never said that I want an iphone to watch my wifes videos, the other thing is that I never said that I hate xperia. as a matter of fact I still like it a lot, but I am bit tired with this all customize & tweak me for weeks stuff just to realise it is still slow.
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if You are saying that You can view those videos recorded @ 640 x 480 highest quality on n95 8gb smoothly without massive stuttering, then You are lying. period. I never said that I want an iphone to watch my wifes videos, the other thing is that I never said that I hate xperia. as a matter of fact I still like it a lot, but I am bit tired with this all customize & tweak me for weeks stuff just to realise it is still slow.
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I guess when you get something like an iPhone it works fine out of the box you dont need to tweak it to get it right which is which is what i dont get from windows mobile devices - why are they not already tweaked to offer the best performance?
simple example - why, oh why those simple tweaks like increasing of glyph and filesystem cache are not factory set for performance??
couldnt agree more with u on the disappointment part, sony ericsson produced one hell of a **** expensive phone.. sometimes im even using my old 1st gen iphone :s
Xperia broken.
Last Saturday my X1 broke. I was at a party and decided to jump over a car gate at an old summerhouse. Thing is, it wasn't steadied at all or fastened in the ground, so it swung with my body, resulting in me landing hard on it and it gave my Xperia a good blow. Now half the screen is dead and the slider part is crooked, and I don't have insurance on it so it'll cost me about 100 - 200 dollars to get it fixed.
That is why I'm getting an iPhone 3GS when it comes to Sweden. I like the seamless Mac experience that just works (and is really great looking) and, actually, the fact that I'm not gonna want to flash it every other day.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm quite the avid customizer of all things techy, and I love playing around with settings and tweaks just to feel like I'm improving my device. Now really. I understand why the people here at XDA like their devices - it's because of the new roms. BUT. It's simply retarded for the company making the phone not to include those optimisations OOTB. I understand that a lot of things is set slower by default to gain battery and ensure a safe phone, but let's face it. An iPhone provides a better experience for ALL customers, not only the ones who know how to tweak their device.
I'd suggest by simple human psychology patterns that people like tweaking their phones because it brings them a satisfactory sense of being special - knowing something not all the owners of a particular thing knows. Though, think about it. It would be kind of nice to be free of the constant urge to flash your phone, all you flashoholics? I sure know that I feel that way. Sort of like being free from a time consuming freedom or wanting a schedule when you have nothing but free time.
That's just my two cents, I won't miss my Xperia much. I'm rather glad it broke (although it was a blow to my economics, but hey).
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Last Saturday my X1 broke. I was at a party and decided to jump over a car gate at an old summerhouse. Thing is, it wasn't steadied at all or fastened in the ground, so it swung with my body, resulting in me landing hard on it and it gave my Xperia a good blow. Now half the screen is dead and the slider part is crooked, and I don't have insurance on it so it'll cost me about 100 - 200 dollars to get it fixed.
That is why I'm getting an iPhone 3GS when it comes to Sweden. I like the seamless Mac experience that just works (and is really great looking) and, actually, the fact that I'm not gonna want to flash it every other day.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm quite the avid customizer of all things techy, and I love playing around with settings and tweaks just to feel like I'm improving my device. Now really. I understand why the people here at XDA like their devices - it's because of the new roms. BUT. It's simply retarded for the company making the phone not to include those optimisations OOTB. I understand that a lot of things is set slower by default to gain battery and ensure a safe phone, but let's face it. An iPhone provides a better experience for ALL customers, not only the ones who know how to tweak their device.
I'd suggest by simple human psychology patterns that people like tweaking their phones because it brings them a satisfactory sense of being special - knowing something not all the owners of a particular thing knows. Though, think about it. It would be kind of nice to be free of the constant urge to flash your phone, all you flashoholics? I sure know that I feel that way. Sort of like being free from a time consuming freedom or wanting a schedule when you have nothing but free time.
That's just my two cents, I won't miss my Xperia much. I'm rather glad it broke (although it was a blow to my economics, but hey).
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Yea i started flashing my phone but then one day i realised that the stock ones are just as good really and more stable but your right about the tweaking and such it makes you feel like your phone is faster - Maybe when you start using your iphone you will start to miss and acknowledge the little things that make the xperia really good but we will see
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Yea i started flashing my phone but then one day i realised that the stock ones are just as good really and more stable but your right about the tweaking and such it makes you feel like your phone is faster - Maybe when you start using your iphone you will start to miss and acknowledge the little things that make the xperia really good but we will see
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I had smabergs's Touch X so I'll miss the nice sms interface, and of course the keyboard! Other than that, I'll make it through my switch fine
So im looking on buying a x10 but im what you´ll call a technology challenged person..........so yeah questions:
Is the bootloader unlocked?(i have the htcHERO presently so custom roms are nice)
How bad is lack of multi-touch?
How is the screen´s responsiveness?
It probably will be harder to port other phone roms since this is manefactured by S.E.(assuming the bootloader is unlocked of course.)
i need a new phone so my options are (spain)
htcLEGEND but its not much different from the HERO so i really dont want it, the SamsungWave but i would chose android over bada if given the chance(would it be possible to port android to it seeing how the GalaxyS is so similar?) or the x10.
Also, no i cant buy the NexusOne from vodafone
Salutations.
Using the Xperia X10 as a phone, well its good besides the low headset volume. Other wise it is a good device. With the latest updates you'll get good battery life and performance. Emails, messaging, web surfing, media its all good. Listening to calls is kinda of an issue, well for me.
Multi touch is a concern if you LOVE pinch and zoom and if youll be doing serious gaming. Other wise it is not an issue. Get JustPictures it has one pinch zoom with is more practical.
Screen is good, but now its only at 65k, 16 millions is on the way.
Finally to be honest Iam not sure about the bootloader. Some say its hacked others say its not, but theres some cyanogen mod thread in the developments part of the forum. So something is coming up for sure.
1. Nope, not yet.
2. Bad if you play games, doesn't matter if you don't.
3. Good
4. When bootloader will be unlocked it will have custom ROMs. Maybe not from other phones but will have.
Thanks for the reply/s but what about the Samsungwave? I tried it today and the screen is amazing and the BadaOs seemed like a custom skin of Android ala SENSE, of course it dosent have android apps nor customization but I love the phone's specs if you could put android there it would be the greatest phone in terms of software/hardware/price but I'm sure this has been said.(I can't buy the galaxyS cuz its on Movistar these guys are real pricks)
Im really desperate right now gotta buy it in like 2 days max. What should i do?
The x10 has the bigger screen and android the wave tops it in everything but has the BADAos which besides having a retarded name is ugly.I dont know which to pick if i could put android in the wave i would buy it but its not clear if android can be ported to it.
Please help this post has over 200 viewers but only 2 comments.
You want the best phone today? Then choose Samsung Galaxy S...
The design matters to you? Then take the X10
Samsung Wave it's a no for me.. The screen is too small and there are not too many third-party apps available (for sure not as many as we have for Android).
i need one with a contract that isnt from movistar(i think its the equivalent to o2 in the uk) those bastards have the galaxy since july 1st, its the same thing they did with the iphone only they had it for like 2 years cuz there service sucks they need to buy exclusive rights so only they can sale it
Regarding Colour...
Hey!
Since X10 has 65K colours, after we get the 2.1/2.2 upgrade, the phone will have 16M colours?
So, just to confirm, the hardware (display screen) is capable to get 16M colours?
Right now, due to 1.6 OS, the OS limits the colours to 65K?
If you know what a bootloader is you are not technologically challenged .
I haven't played with a wave but considering your options i would go with the x10. Android is proven, it looks beautiful and custom roms are on the way. The only downside is no mt right now (if you play games).
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
You'll never get android on the Wave.. so go for the X10.. it really is a great bit of kit.
I dont really play games aside from some party games (drinking,dares) a friend lended me his x10 today to root and instal the setCPU app(knowing to do this is easy and does not require to much technology knowledge ) and i played a few hours with the x10 i really liked the design and the big screen although the responsivness seemd a bit off sometimes (i didnt get to play with it after i installed the latest firmware so maybe this changed)
also is there something preventing porting android to the Wave?(aside from hardwork)
I dont really play games aside from some party games (drinking,dares) a friend lended me his x10 today to root and instal the setCPU app(knowing to do this is easy and does not require to much technology knowledge ) and i played a few hours with the x10 i really liked the design and the big screen although the responsivness seemd a bit off sometimes (i didnt get to play with it after i installed the latest firmware so maybe this changed)
also is there something preventing porting android to the Wave?(aside from hardwork)
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The lack of multi-touch is insane. What on earth were SE thinking. I need to have as many fingers on my phone as possible at any given moment. In fact I prefer to dial numbers by hitting every number at exactly the same time, and just hoping they end up in the right order.
no but seriously, there was a time before multi-touch, just like there was a time before touchscreens.
Personally my biggest gripe with the x10 is that it wasn't made by Apple, but thankfully I have the x10i, which still have the 'i' in it, so I can sleep at night...
that cracked me up.i just got the x10 furtunately mines also the x10i
Hi guys, so I'm buying a phone, would you recommend me x8. If yes why, if not why not?
Ya surely i will recommend Its a simple handy n compact samrtphone with great features..
I would buy one if I could a cheap place to unlock it...
Hi. I just got one X8 for my wife. I have played with it for a while, and it works great.
It looks nice, feels nice, and it works nice.
But there are two things that I don't like:
1. UI: I didn't find it very practical and I wasn't able to find a way to change default color scheme; that's a kind of a problem, because apps in drawer have white letters and home screen background stays even when drawer is opened, and if you have some white parts on background, then you can't read names of apps.
On other hand, my wife likes UI, so it depends on personal preferences will it be a problem, or not.
2. lack of some decent document reader; my wife will sometimes like to read some PDF books on it, but I wasn't able to find good PDF reader that will work on this phone. For example, I have on my Galaxy S ThinkOffice witch was supplied as stock app with phone, and it's great for any document reading and editing. So, it will be a good thing if this phone had at least some decent viewer.
All in all, it's a nice phone, and it will be nicer when update to android 2.1 comes, and I can recommend it to anybody who is new to smartphones and android, or someone who want's small, practical and simple smartphone (with good looks). Also, I can recommend it to advanced users who need nice backup phone or second phone, beside more potent devices from top models.
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But there are two things that I don't like:
1. UI: I didn't find it very practical and I wasn't able to find a way to change default color scheme; that's a kind of a problem, because apps in drawer have white letters and home screen background stays even when drawer is opened, and if you have some white parts on background, then you can't read names of apps.
On other hand, my wife likes UI, so it depends on personal preferences will it be a problem, or not.
2. lack of some decent document reader; my wife will sometimes like to read some PDF books on it, but I wasn't able to find good PDF reader that will work on this phone. For example, I have on my Galaxy S ThinkOffice witch was supplied as stock app with phone, and it's great for any document reading and editing. So, it will be a good thing if this phone had at least some decent viewer.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=9311463meed
1. You could try ADW Launcher from the market. You can tweak it to feat your needs, feels fast and you can add more widgets on the same screen.
2.I am using BeamReader and it does it's job. Decent PDF reader. Find it on the market also.
Comming from a HTC Hero, Xperia X8 doesn't have that sturdy build, the back cover cracks a lot but feels ok in the hand and looks good. Android 2.1 will be a big improvement as the hardware is quite good for its price, UI and 3d games run smoother than on the Hero (even on 2.2.1). Very good for a mid class device. I recommand it. Also, battery life is decent for a smartphone.
I got one, and my emotions are a bit mixed. Sort of a love-hate relationship.
Edit 2: Text below was written before the release of 1.6. I am now running 2.1, and have no problems with games, and is generally happy about my x8.
As I see it, there's 2 major cons to this phone. Firstly, the very very low priority on upgrades for Android version. I bought mine with a promise of an october update to 2.1. Now it's late november, the x10's have gotten their upgrade, and I'm still waiting... till the end of 2010 by the looks of it. No official word on 2.2 or 2.3 update yet... Not promising imo. With the time it took updating the x10, I can't think how it'll be for future updates to the x8, seeing it got even lower priority than the x10's. I'd stay away from SE until they show some sign of shaping up their update policies.
Games... if you like games, get another phone. The only game that doesn't freeze up after 10secs-15minutes is Alchemy. Anything more graphics intensive, and it'll freeze up. It runs the games just fine until it freeze tho. If this is due to ancient android version, I have no idea. But I guess since the games are compatible with 1.6, they should run on an 1.6-phone. This applies to Angry Birds, Zenonia, Blow Up, Yumsters, you name it... pretty much any game I've tried. It's not isolated to my phone either, if you google the issue yourself.
On the other hand... ignoring these issues, I think its a very good phone for it's price. If you don't mind not having access to the latest apps, or not being able to play games, you might like this phone alot... however...
If I was to make the choice again, I'd go with another manufacturer that has a track record of putting out android updates fairly quickly...
Edit: Forgot to mention the annoyance of all the bundled demo versions of apps and games that you simply cant remove from your phone unless you root it. Another little sign of Sony Ericsson simply not "getting it".
droidjens said:
I got one, and my emotions are a bit mixed. Sort of a love-hate relationship.
As I see it, there's 2 major cons to this phone. Firstly, the very very low priority on upgrades for Android version. I bought mine with a promise of an october update to 2.1. Now it's late november, the x10's have gotten their upgrade, and I'm still waiting... till the end of 2010 by the looks of it. No official word on 2.2 or 2.3 update yet... Not promising imo. With the time it took updating the x10, I can't think how it'll be for future updates to the x8, seeing it got even lower priority than the x10's. I'd stay away from SE until they show some sign of shaping up their update policies.
Games... if you like games, get another phone. The only game that doesn't freeze up after 10secs-15minutes is Alchemy. Anything more graphics intensive, and it'll freeze up. It runs the games just fine until it freeze tho. If this is due to ancient android version, I have no idea. But I guess since the games are compatible with 1.6, they should run on an 1.6-phone. This applies to Angry Birds, Zenonia, Blow Up, Yumsters, you name it... pretty much any game I've tried. It's not isolated to my phone either, if you google the issue yourself.
On the other hand... ignoring these issues, I think its a very good phone for it's price. If you don't mind not having access to the latest apps, or not being able to play games, you might like this phone alot... however...
If I was to make the choice again, I'd go with another manufacturer that has a track record of putting out android updates fairly quickly...
Edit: Forgot to mention the annoyance of all the bundled demo versions of apps and games that you simply cant remove from your phone unless you root it. Another little sign of Sony Ericsson simply not "getting it".
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Uhh, you know those 'bundled demo's are put there by your provider, right? Not the fault of SE. Rooting then nuking them isn't hard. Also, I've had no problems with games on my phone, Angry Birds works fine.
It's disappointing about the lack of Android updates though. Sony Ericsson really need to release the boot-loader code or something.
The default home-screen is pretty terrible. Get ADW or something.
All up, it is very worth it, seeing as it is one of the cheapest Android phones out there. Unless you can afford something better, I'd recommend it.
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Uhh, you know those 'bundled demo's are put there by your provider, right? Not the fault of SE. Rooting then nuking them isn't hard.
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Just to clear things up. I bought mine sim-free with only the stuff SE themselves put on there. If I didn't remove it already, I'd post a list for you. It wasn't hard to get rid of, but that doesn't make it any more right, imo.
Interesting that your birds aren't freezing. But thats another discussion.
I like this phone and actually I "downgraded" from the X10 mini because I could not use the small screen on the X10. It is a very good phone for the money, good screen, good battery and I like the SE UI.
But... I see the appalling quality of the camera goes without mention in this thread?
If you want to take some pics with the phone: Avoid. No auto focus and no flash means if you are not outside in daylight you have to be lucky to snap a decent picture.
Worst camera on a mobile phone I have used in years! Not a problem for myself, but be warned.
Thank you guys, Well I have about 10 days to choose: GT540 or X8, they are bouth same price here in Croatia. My main concern about X8 is interface, can it completely be changed with some program, theme, etc?
As others mention, you can use interface replacements like ADW Launcher on the X8. This lets you put more than the default 1 widget pr screen, adds a quick-launch bar and allows for scrollable widgets like Pure Messenger.
I have no experience with the GT540, but I can't help but notice that it's got a resistive, not capacitive screen. If I was considering buying one, I'd definately go to a store and check out if the screen seems less responsive than the one on X8.
CROrION said:
Thank you guys, Well I have about 10 days to choose: GT540 or X8, they are bouth same price here in Croatia. My main concern about X8 is interface, can it completely be changed with some program, theme, etc?
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Yes, you can change the interface with ADW Launcher (Launcher Pro does not support 1.6 but once 2.1 arrives, there will be no problem). I rooted the device and used SystemApp Remover to remove the stock interface and bundled crapware. I would choose the X8 simply because it has a capacitive screen. Resistive is so old school
I recommend this phone to everyone than x10 mini/pro. According to the price and features. Although the camera is bad. But x8 is better than x10 mini/pro.
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With the release of 2.1, scratch all my previous comments. For its price, the x8 is a good little device, imo.
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With the release of 2.1, scratch all my previous comments. For its price, the x8 is a good little device, imo.
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i've read many reviews of X8 and other phones in same price category.. and i think now, x8 is best.. but.. i never had Android-phone so.. can u advise me to buy X8 as first Android?
and.. how bad is the camera? and how soon we will be able to root it? approximately
sory about my poor english.. and thanks for answers in advance
WARR10r said:
i've read many reviews of X8 and other phones in same price category.. and i think now, x8 is best.. but.. i never had Android-phone so.. can u advise me to buy X8 as first Android?
and.. how bad is the camera? and how soon we will be able to root it? approximately
sory about my poor english.. and thanks for answers in advance
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The camera is not so bad actually. Just because no light or flash. But still good in light condition and mms usage.
Oh yes. And no smile detection, face recognition, macro, focus,etc. The camera is just so plain.
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droidjens said:
I got one, and my emotions are a bit mixed. Sort of a love-hate relationship.
Edit 2: Text below was written before the release of 1.6. I am now running 2.1, and have no problems with games, and is generally happy about my x8.
As I see it, there's 2 major cons to this phone. Firstly, the very very low priority on upgrades for Android version. I bought mine with a promise of an october update to 2.1. Now it's late november, the x10's have gotten their upgrade, and I'm still waiting... till the end of 2010 by the looks of it. No official word on 2.2 or 2.3 update yet... Not promising imo. With the time it took updating the x10, I can't think how it'll be for future updates to the x8, seeing it got even lower priority than the x10's. I'd stay away from SE until they show some sign of shaping up their update policies.
Games... if you like games, get another phone. The only game that doesn't freeze up after 10secs-15minutes is Alchemy. Anything more graphics intensive, and it'll freeze up. It runs the games just fine until it freeze tho. If this is due to ancient android version, I have no idea. But I guess since the games are compatible with 1.6, they should run on an 1.6-phone. This applies to Angry Birds, Zenonia, Blow Up, Yumsters, you name it... pretty much any game I've tried. It's not isolated to my phone either, if you google the issue yourself.
On the other hand... ignoring these issues, I think its a very good phone for it's price. If you don't mind not having access to the latest apps, or not being able to play games, you might like this phone alot... however...
If I was to make the choice again, I'd go with another manufacturer that has a track record of putting out android updates fairly quickly...
Edit: Forgot to mention the annoyance of all the bundled demo versions of apps and games that you simply cant remove from your phone unless you root it. Another little sign of Sony Ericsson simply not "getting it".
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I agree, usually when I get my x8 I will install a lot of games. And it is lack of space, I can't install more apps unless I modified it so that I can apps 2 sd. So now I just use it for browser, ebbudy and listening to musics. that's what I did to x8. If you want a gaming phone get lg optimus or galaxy s. xperia arc I wouldn't reccomend so much is because it's just like x10 just added some graphic card or what-so-ever, why not I get a lg optimus which is cheaper than arc? lol
Xperia X8 isn't perfect phone... but I don't regret it, that I've bought it. Firstly, stock camera app is really weak, but when I've installed Vignette, my photos looks really decent. Stock ROM isn't so laggy, but app like Apps2SD forced my to change launcher. So, if you're planning to buy a Xperia X8, buy it, and obtain some XDA great 2.2.1 or 2.3.4 ROM
Im sorry if this is the wrong thread to put this on well here is a video www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFVTQ2cd3kY&feature=player_embedded#at=63
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either the video is fake, or gingerbread isn't as revamped as people think. the phone is apparently running 2.3, yet i don't see any differences from 2.2 other than that little white thing.
The screen looks too small to be a decent gaming device, plus when you get those people who keep calling till you pick up interrupting your game....fail.
I highly doubt this is Sony's flagship PlayStation phone device. Anyone who grew up with PSone, ps2, psp or even PS3 knows otherwise. Sony hasn't announced it and I hope to god they never do given this shoddy imitation of a real gaming device...
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It does sort of look like a PSP go...
And the black notification bar with green accents .... I'm not sure j like the green accents and it appeared that when he was in the app the colors were more like the defaults. Not sure if that last sentence made sense ...
Either way, PSP phone seems very real and this seems like very much it.
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As long as It doesn't have a screen any smaller than 4 inches, this is the one phone that could make you trade in the evo! Theres a bunch of key features the guy in the video didn't point out like the shoulder buttons on the top of the phone or the dual optical track-pads in the center of the slide out area.
Did anyone happen to notice that, in the video, they never showed the "controller" part of the phone being used? That makes me wonder if it is real or not..
If it is a new PSP phone, it is missing a lot of buttons. that almost looks like a controller from 20 years ago (no analog stick and missing a few other buttons.) It wouldn't be a big thing if it was nintendo, but Sony always touts their gaming as more hardcore than that controller would indicate.
That being said, I am definitely interested in seeing where this goes if it is real.
It's not missing any buttons, the analog sticks is that metal part. Most likely a touch screen analog controller.
As far as incoming calls go, I'm pretty sure they have some kind of pausing mechanizim that gets deployed when a call comes in.
I would think that Sony would have some type of launcher to launch PSP or Android. Sooner or later the Source Code for the PSP app will be leaked and ported
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I would think that Sony would have some type of launcher to launch PSP or Android. Sooner or later the Source Code for the PSP app will be leaked and ported
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and when dat happens, u can now play PSP games as .isos like u do with a modded psp now a days.
even with apk being stolen/released, it would be pointless. Im pretty sure the hardware in that device is well above any hardware that is out at the moment. Would cause major lag on the device if it used the gpu/cpu that are on phones like evo/epic/etc..
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Hmmm....?
I dunno...probably fake!
Time will tell
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