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[COMP] SE X10 vs other android phones

X10 is going to release very soon but it has already a lot of rivals: Google N1, HTC Desire, Motorola Shores (also going to be released soon)
So which Android phone is a true Phone?

The Droid.

I think the desire stands out thanks to HTC's sense interface.

X10 got Mediascape which easily beats everything else out there be it on Android or WinMo or iPhone OS or WebOS + got Timescape which is pretty much a match or better than WebOS great communication UI or better than the rest (Droid/Motoblur or iPhone's missing "unified communication")... the only negativ thing is running on DOnut (v1.6) but SE already said it will be updated - my money is on X10 and a 2.1 update by the Summer...

The Final retail-rom (not the one engadget reviewed) seems to be great! Some reviewers in the Netherlands already have them and they are very impressed by the speed, the screen and media/timescape!

Yes, I heard the same thing from a friend running it since last Fall... heck, when I tried X10 back in November it wasn't that bad already... and it's been 4+ months now, I'm sure they worked out all the kinks - as a matter of fact that was the official reason for postponing the launch date, to make it absolutely bug-free.
SE is top-notch when it comes to UI design, I always said it - it's just they have been always stretched too thin and never had the time to properly finish everything. It's a (resource) management issue and I think it is the same type confusion that caused the demise of Sony during the past decade.
SE should settle on ~2 platforms (plus their proprietary one for the integrated and lower-tier phones) and cut the number of concurrent models in half but every new release should be near flawless, as bug-free as literally possible because when you are asking $500-$1k for a phone it's better be perfect or you will lose its angry owner as a customer forever...

orelsi said:
The Droid.
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EW! how can you even say that's something worth holding in your hand. craptacular device. by craptacular company..

Well, I am using HTC Legend, and today I got SE X10, so what can I say, X10 has impressive screen but I am worry because it is TFT (and Legend has AMOLED), also Android 1.6 is not a match to an Android 2.1 in Legend (with and without HTC Sense).
Timescape and Mediascape are good and easy ideas, and they are beating HTC Sense in way of multimedia and friends stream (HTC Sense has Friends stream which dosent work so fine).
So, X10 is a preatty good smartphone, here in Croatia it will cost about 4500 kunas about 840 USD.
So, until they release Android 2.1 update on Xperia X10, it will be just a good smartphone with big potential, so SE if you are reading this, go to work!

There's nothing wrong with a TFT screen.

killerskincanoe said:
EW! how can you even say that's something worth holding in your hand. craptacular device. by craptacular company..
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@szlevi
Good luck with getting an upgrade to the OS by the Summer as SE themselves have said it won't be till Q3 oh and by the time SE implement 2.1 what version will the others be at by then?.
I must say from reading your posts throughout the X10 section you seem quite the SE zealot but seriously anyone that bought a W950 and then also bought a W960 lacks a certain credibility IMO.
As for your claims about Timescape and Mediascape just being the best how's the Crystal ball doing as from what I've read they both suffer when updating. They may look pretty and functional when not very full but once they have lots of data to deal with they slow right down. Maybe you should have a device in hand to see just how well it performs when full of data before claiming it to be best.
Personally SE lost me from UIQ3 and nothing they have done since then has tempted me back till now either. It will be interesting to see if they do manage to actually launch a relatively bug free device for once. As although this is there aim they seem to keep falling short of this objective, it will interesting to see just how well the X10 does and what ordinary non SE fans make of it.
Marc

Looks amazing! Cant wait to get it!

beetleman said:
Well, I am using HTC Legend, and today I got SE X10, so what can I say, X10 has impressive screen but I am worry because it is TFT (and Legend has AMOLED), also Android 1.6 is not a match to an Android 2.1 in Legend (with and without HTC Sense).
Timescape and Mediascape are good and easy ideas, and they are beating HTC Sense in way of multimedia and friends stream (HTC Sense has Friends stream which dosent work so fine).
So, X10 is a preatty good smartphone, here in Croatia it will cost about 4500 kunas about 840 USD.
So, until they release Android 2.1 update on Xperia X10, it will be just a good smartphone with big potential, so SE if you are reading this, go to work!
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whats up with having both the legend and the X10`? doesn't that get kinda expensive.
Anyways, I did like the HTC magic, untill it got thrown into the wall in anger, because I was pisst off at a friend
And I have always loved SE, unlike Nokia(that I used to like before) are they actually trying different OS's etc.
+ I feel like they have better designs etc.

not very expensive at all when you WIN both the phones. read prior posts

killerskincanoe said:
not very expensive at all when you WIN both the phones. read prior posts
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I know that, I read it in another thread a while after I posted this. So the "prior posts" thing, is kinda wrong to say.. since it wasn't mentioned in this thread.
And it wasn't posted in this thread, so I don't really see the big problem here.

I'm having my doubts, I'm actually thinking between the Nexus One and the X10, I'm currently liking the Droid due to the keyboard only because I email alot, and would not like to go for a blackberry.
The x10 seems fantastic, just that the absence of a physical qwerty may put me off.

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The x10 seems fantastic, just that the absence of a physical qwerty may put me off.
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Indeed. Once you go physical QWERTY, you never go back !

This might sound stupid, but only reason I'd get X10 than other phones (like Galaxy S, Milestone, Desire etc.) is cos the X10 looks much better, and my 'blind loyalty' to SE. But in terms of specs/features... well... X10 is really lacking.

ipporek said:
This might sound stupid, but only reason I'd get X10 than other phones (like Galaxy S, Milestone, Desire etc.) is cos the X10 looks much better, and my 'blind loyalty' to SE. But in terms of specs/features... well... X10 is really lacking.
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I like to think so too..

wait a minute!!!
is this phone made by HTC??????
And also the acer phone?????
i thought they made there own phones..
dont they?

Is it selfish to not want anyone else to get the 2.1 update?

Dunno if anyone else feels this way too but I can't help feeling that only N1 owners should get the latest and greatest updates since we're the ones carrying the flagship device torch...
It's like buying a Toyota Prius for $23,000 and then Toyota coming out with a hybrid kit for any car for free which seems to cheapen the N1 experience...

ap3604 said:
Dunno if anyone else feels this way too but I can't help feeling that only N1 owners should get the latest and greatest updates since we're the ones carrying the flagship device torch...
It's like buying a Toyota Prius for $23,000 and then Toyota coming out with a hybrid kit for any car for free which seems to cheapen the N1 experience...
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Kinda goes against the whole idea of open source.

Onwards and upwards I say, Android moves forward at a fast pace because it can, not because it has to.

Yes, it's very selfish.

What are you, 12 years old?
EVERY Android device should be on 2.1 by now. I feel bad for those who aren't.

GldRush98 said:
What are you, 12 years old?
EVERY Android device should be on 2.1 by now. I feel bad for those who aren't.
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agreed... my G1 looks at me with a sad face every day...
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GldRush98 said:
What are you, 12 years old?
EVERY Android device should be on 2.1 by now. I feel bad for those who aren't.
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Hey it's not Google's fault.
It's the lazy ass manufacturers who aren't willing to put in the work to upgrade.
The source code for 2.1 has been on the web for months now. Absolutely no one to blame but the lazy ass manufacturers.

You shouldn't be allowed to touch the android market...most of the apps there the author wrote with a G1 (1.6) or Droid (2.0) in mind...Those devices your being selfish about getting a upgrade on are the ones that helped give you 30,000 apps...Devs aren't flocking to the android market because of the horrible 20,000 first week sales of the N1

This makes no sense. What happens when a new phone comes out, all the n1 owners should feel obliged to wait for updates then?

stuff Eclair, I want Froyo! and Gingerbread!

Oh comon guys!
N1 owners are way more important than any random Hero, G1, or Droid customers.
We are the ones that carry Google's flagship device and should be treated accordingly... compared to the other random devices that just have android on it and aren't really Google devices.

I love how the phone is being compared to a Toyota Prius. Good analogy.

Even if all the other android devices get 2.1, its not as if they will all be able to utilize everything unless they have a 1GHz processor - though, while new Android phones are coming out with that constantly, you will have to just deal with everything that is going on in the Android world..
I also believe this thread is kinda weird, honestly I don't see why you would care at all what other Android devices have. You cannot stop progression.

I am perfectly OK with all android devices being upgraded to 2.1 BUT Right after nexus one has been upgraded to android 3.0.

With less Android 2.1 owners, our version of Android will get less attention from devs

We still have top hardware.
Also, the more standardised android is, the more attractive it will be to developers. The more people on 2.1 the better it is for all of us.

Most of the phones will probably be updated to a certain point, but they will first get the updates a long time after we have got it i think, the hardware manufactures and carriers, have to make a profit on their phones, and therefore they cant afford to keep updating them.
As google are responsible for our updates we are in a bit better situation i think, as i dont think that google intention with the nexus one was to make a **** load of money, they wants to show what android is capable of, and i think that the nexus one is the only phone you will get that "real android experince" with.
I choosed the nexus one because of this, so that i could have the newest version of android and not be stuck on 1.5 or something like that.

nevermind....LoL

martinsolsen said:
Most of the phones will probably be updated to a certain point, but they will first get the updates a long time after we have got it i think, the hardware manufactures and carriers, have to make a profit on their phones, and therefore they cant afford to keep updating them.
As google are responsible for our updates we are in a bit better situation i think, as i dont think that google intention with the nexus one was to make a **** load of money, they wants to show what android is capable of, and i think that the nexus one is the only phone you will get that "real android experince" with.
I choosed the nexus one because of this, so that i could have the newest version of android and not be stuck on 1.5 or something like that.
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hardware evolves. Even if the G1 gets Android 2.1, it doesn't have the processing power for Live Wallpapers, Google Earth, etc.
Device manufacturers don't lose out on sales by continuing to support existing devices. If that were the case, you'd never see updated drivers for your pc's graphics card, etc.. Device manufacturers know that people will prefer to buy devices that they believe will get updates.

This is going to sound harsh, but I think all phones (hardware wise) should be left behind, and the N1 should be made the lowest spec. This would make it easier for programmers and devs to make more powerful apps or games, so they don't have to cut back just so a G1 can play it (so the N1 owners miss out)
This would mean Android would Rival the Windows Phone 7 Series (anyone else think that's a stupid name?)
The problem is, Google make money from the advertisements, so they don't really care, they just want to win to make money, so diversification is better for them.

Your views about Xperia X8!

Well, I have started this thread to know your opinion about Xpreia X8.
There is a poll in this thread so plz continue voting!

mohakrastogi said:
Well, I have started this thread to know your opinion about Xpreia X8.
There is a poll in this thread so plz continue voting!
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My opinion > It's Superb phone i have ever had ! But SE Service in Very BAD !
You may add this option also...

It's a nice phone to mess around.
It's pretty cheap (beside x10)

Best phone for less than 150€!!! However, SE made horrible job with software... Fully working AOSP 2.1 would be perfect in this moment

mohakrastogi said:
Well, I have started this thread to know your opinion about Xpreia X8.
There is a poll in this thread so plz continue voting!
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Thumb Up:
- Price
- Size
- Basic funcions (email, browser..)
- Perfect if you want (slower) functions of a best performaces (and hi price) phone
Thumb Down:
- Battery
- >>> M U L T I T O U C H <<<
- Front Camera (to keep phone price low, I guess)
- SE Interface (replace asap with LauncherPro, ADW Launcher or similar..)
- SE Upgrade (At the moment no upgrade to Android 2.2 or greater scheduled)

I agree with member above me.

X8 is the best entry level android, cheap phone with HVGA screen, other type in the same price range give you phones with QVGA screen, 3 MP camera is fair enough, better than 2 MP from Samsung I5500, Eclair is good enough for me, just need to root it and enable App2SD make Froyo can be forgotten. Can play many games without lags, slightly smoother than Samsung I5500. The drawback is no multitouch, Samsung Spica I5700 multitouch can be enabled via SamdroidMod, but there is no multitouch too in Samsung I5500 after Froyo upgrade, so I'll be satisfied enough with dual touch, hope this is coming soon for X8. And there is no navigation key that made pain in the ass for me when editing text in messaging and browsing.
Sorry for my bad english...

Not a very good poll.
I chose all the options.
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No seriously, your poll is REALLY bad.
Boshe said:
I agree with member above me.
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Great post.

a-k-t-w said:
Not a very good poll.
I chose all the options.
No seriously, your poll is REALLY bad.
Great post.
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+1 for the poll

a-k-t-w said:
Not a very good poll.
I chose all the options.
No seriously, your poll is REALLY bad.
Great post.
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really!?
what do you want me to add or delete?
the thing is....i bought the phone with the hope that "hey, it's android! i will get updates regularly and will have the latest version unlike wm 6.5!"
but SE really disappointed me!! soo.....i started this one to know whether other people also think the same or not!

Hello,
As someone once post here my opinion about the X8 is like love/hate relationship.
There is times when I really love my phone and times when I really hate it.
But for it`s money it`s great phone.
And if you never use Android in my opinion it`s easy to use this phone.

mohakrastogi said:
really!?
what do you want me to add or delete?
the thing is....i bought the phone with the hope that "hey, it's android! i will get updates regularly and will have the latest version unlike wm 6.5!"
but SE really disappointed me!! soo.....i started this one to know whether other people also think the same or not!
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The fact I can vote for every option at once shows that it is bad. Also the options are too bias. A simple "I like this phone"/"I don't like this phone" would do.

very nice phone,just waiting for froyo roms by racht...

Is's so cheap~

It's a Great phone for it's price, It's beautifull, really well designed compared to other devices. It's solid and SE quality made. In Hardware we can't really complain, like I said, for it's price... In Software, well good... except, what we all know, BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE from SE... If it weren't that it would be a great! phone.

i buy this phone for 200$ dolares on amazon, any other phone for that price is better than this X8

Pro's
>Form Factor
>Design
>Price
>Great Screen Size and Resolution
Con's
>Multi Touch
>Camera
>Update's
in this price range tier its direct competitor it would be Optimus One P500 it has
>Multi Touch
>2.2 Android update and can be upgraded to 2.3?
>Higher Ram 512
>Better Camera w/ Auto Focus/Face and Smile Detection
>More Screen Colors
>Bigger Screen .2"
>A Bit Higher Available Phone Memory
Much Expensive than X8 around $25-$30 more, but for all those features its worth it, if X8 have those features too, then X8 would be one of the BEST Android Mid Range

Amazon dont sell lg optimus ONE .

X8 is a great phone. i really love it

Everything is good except software update. I really hate the abandonment from SE.

Froyo4X10 Petition | 100 Names

OK
before this come out
iknow this has been done before, people linking on here to a petition website with the signatures on
but iwant to try having the petition in this sticky so we can see the numbers
we visit this site everyday so there no need to go to other sites just to see the numbers
And i will be sending this thread to them when the numbers get up
dont post more than once, and dont post to say its not going to work
Just to say though its not that im not happy with the phone, the phone rocks even in its current incarnation, hat i hate is being fobbed of with crappy excuses. thats why im doing this because instead iof saying we would rather not invest in OLD hardware they say there 2.1 is bettter than stock 2.2
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The reason we shouldnt be asking for fgroyo is because theyre not gonna update an old phone to an OS there new phones have on them

This is my Entry
Maybe if there is enough we can get their attention

Dean Thompson
Unless x10 gets froyo I'll never buy another SE

I will not buy a SE phone ever again unless the X10 gets Froyo or beyond!

If any one on SE tried out the ROM's found here they'd know it's totall bull**** when they say their 2.1 is on par with a vanilla 2.2, i love the design and the hardware of SE even their software! As long as it is up to date, if they learned this there would be no competition for them in the Android market.
Sign me up for 2.2+ and beyond.

Froyo for X10!!!!!!!!!
I was not sure whether I go for rooting or I will wait for Froyo. (only what I want at least is app to SD) And I was like well, they just updated to 2.1 they not gonna release 2.2 anytime soon, but never????!!!!!!!!! What a F..k? I love the design of X10 that's why I bought it instead of HTC even with lower software! but this is F...Up! Give as Froyo now!!!!!!!

however im gonna leave you guys soon to get a Incredible S, you still have my vote, and for SE i hope you realise i will switch brand because of your stupidity.

SE you are more than stupid. You've designed a great phone then ruined it. Wake up.

+1 to everything previously stated.
The X10 is an amazing beautiful phone... but the 2.1 ROM on it is holding it back.
Sony's lack of attention to their products has stopped me from getting the Arc or any of the future hardware. I like their phones, but they can't handle Android... how sad.

Count me in..

my vote on that!!!

This was probably the last time i ever buyed something from SE
before i had 3 diffrent 850i SE that was broken from factory and now
this thing with not upgrade the x10i higher than 2.1 is just to mutch.
/signed

Another Thompson on the poll, but Deon this time.
With my other SE purchases there was a clear upgrade to the hardware. But the X10 is still on par with the upcoming crop and I love the way it feels in my hands still. Without further support I'm going to follow my gf's lead on my next upgrade and make mine HTC most likely.

Excellent thread.
I have used SE products W810, K790, W580, W760, C902, X1 and X10.
X1 + no winmo 6.5 and X10 + no android 2.2 has shown that SE would rather extort for a new device as opposed to providing adequate OS updates.
Lack of support after relatively short period of time has moved me to Samsung.
My loyalty to SE would return with improved support.
signed/Mike Augustine

I would say, why crave on 2.2 when we know that the new sony devices will be running on 2.3?
It'll be easy for xda and/or sony devs to work out how to port the rom to our x10s as they are all sony phones with essentially the same hardware capabilities

count me in

I'm In! Even if in Guatemala there are not too many X10 Owners.... C'mon SE push our beautiful X10's to the limit!
Jim

aR_ChRiS said:
I would say, why crave on 2.2 when we know that the new sony devices will be running on 2.3?
It'll be easy for xda and/or sony devs to work out how to port the rom to our x10s as they are all sony phones with essentially the same hardware capabilities
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Well theyre not gonna offer us an OS thats on their brand new devices. They shoul theorically have put us on to froyo then gone no further i can kinda live with that
but whats happened is they took soooo long with 2.1 they missed the deadline for 2.2 and dumped us

count me in

S.E. 2.2 is faster than 2.1 so please update my android phone......

The Sony Xperia Tablet Z - EISA Award Winner

Here's something to further boost our kiddie egos and bragging rights :victory: - It comes as no surprise to me really that the exquisite Sony XTZ is EISA's pick for the European Tablet of the Year 2013 - 2014. So happy I went with Sony on this one
Hit the link for the short run down: http://www.eisa.eu/award/31/european-tablet-2013-2014.html:cool:
Tell me this doesn't make you that much prouder to be an SXTZ owner :highfive:
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Its a good Android tablet. For a time at least, lol.
I do agree that given the weight and size its a marvel of technology considering the performance and quality of construction.
Sony appear to be moving in the right direction, lets hope this trend continues.

Even if it is the winner, i don't see any real developer here, the development section is dead, i mean like dead in dead. Nothing new is happening there. I don't know why.... God dammit developers build some kernels, roms

Anicane said:
Even if it is the winner, i don't see any real developer here, the development section is dead, i mean like dead in dead. Nothing new is happening there. I don't know why.... God dammit developers build some kernels, roms
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Have to agree about it being dead around here. There was some activity at first when there a was a prize on offer...but since then, dead
I must admit I knew that if I wanted loads of development I should have bought the Nexus 10. Buying the SXTZ came with the risk of little or no development...and that risk has turned into reality.
On the other hand, the stock ROM is pretty good and at the moment going to a custom ROM means you'll lose more useful features than you gain.
All I really want on top of stock is Nova launcher and PIE/LTA so I can lose all the navigation/notification/status bars. That's why I've gone to PAC.
But I've lost my warranty, GPS, DRM keys, HDMI out, being able to charge with tablet off, and a few other things.
I sometimes wish I'd bought the Nexus 10...but I'm telling myself I've got to kick the ROM-flashing habit.
Oh well, at least I've got my Nexus 4 to keep me occupied

GretaLewd said:
Have to agree about it being dead around here. There was some activity at first when there a was a prize on offer...but since then, dead
I must admit I knew that if I wanted loads of development I should have bought the Nexus 10. Buying the SXTZ came with the risk of little or no development...and that risk has turned into reality.
On the other hand, the stock ROM is pretty good and at the moment going to a custom ROM means you'll lose more useful features than you gain.
All I really want on top of stock is Nova launcher and PIE/LTA so I can lose all the navigation/notification/status bars. That's why I've gone to PAC.
But I've lost my warranty, GPS, DRM keys, HDMI out, being able to charge with tablet off, and a few other things.
I sometimes wish I'd bought the Nexus 10...but I'm telling myself I've got to kick the ROM-flashing habit.
Oh well, at least I've got my Nexus 4 to keep me occupied
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Well, i know Sony products are not so popular among the developers, but than again this one in my opinion is among the best tablets, so it should have been better. Oh well maybe it is due to something like price, or something else.

Anicane said:
Well, i know Sony products are not so popular among the developers, but than again this one in my opinion is among the best tablets, so it should have been better. Oh well maybe it is due to something like price, or something else.
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Don't look now, but TechRadar seems to share the same views as us. They also gave the SXTZ top honors as 2013's tablet: http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/10-best-tablet-pcs-in-the-world-today-1079603

Anicane said:
Well, i know Sony products are not so popular among the developers, but than again this one in my opinion is among the best tablets, so it should have been better. Oh well maybe it is due to something like price, or something else.
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I just don't comprehend why Sony products are favored by developers.... Sony offers so very much better support than other OEMs, like Samsung and HTC, and send updates ,such faster than other OEMs as well. It seems like Sony would/should be a developer favorite, the only thing I can think of is that no major Sony flagship smartphones are carried by the major US carriers, AT&T and T-Mobile have carried 1 or 2 but Verizon hasn't had one since the Play, but there should still be more development.
The price tag is another thing hindering development but not much, the other tablets I was looking at before I purchased the XTZ offered much less for the same amount or more, really the price is not too bad when you think about it. The LTE model is overpriced, $900 in the US when I bout my WiFi model, but I would guess the reason for that would be to deter people from buying it off contract. If money is the issue there have still been major amounts of development on phones and tablets with the same, or higher, price tag, I paid less for my XTZ than my Note 2 or any other phone I've bought in the past few years, so there has to be something I am missing.
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shangrila500 said:
I just don't comprehend why Sony products are favored by developers....
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I think you mean " I just don't comprehend why Sony products are not favored by developers...."