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[Q] So I have to decide by Monday

Knowing what you know now about the Epic....
My upgrade time is Monday and I need to replace my old Touch Pro (can you imagine I am still using it). I would like the Epic becuase of the keyboard, and the hardware does look more impressive. However the EVO fanboys are a bit much and you cannot get a good review of Epic from them.
So I am asking you all what do you think... Should I take the Epic and be happy? I have to extend my contract 2 years and I want to be happy with my decision. The angst here over GPS and Froyo has me thinking it might be safer to go to Evo w/o the keyboard... even though I can't stand the attitutudes of the Evo users.
Let me know what you think. Any comments I would appreciate.

For a good unbiased review see engadget. They did a thorough workup of the epic. Also I reccomend using the search function, there are multiple threads just like this and should answer ur questions.
Sent from my Epic 4G

ravizzle said:
For a good unbiased review see engadget. They did a thorough workup of the epic. Also I reccomend using the search function, there are multiple threads just like this and should answer ur questions.
Sent from my Epic 4G
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I've read COUNTLESS posts. I am just looking for something a bit updated. It seems things change as the wind blows.

Well the ppl on the froyo leak say gps is fixed so if that and froyo are ur only 2 probs with epic, they will be solved soon with the ota (the leak is kinda buggy) which hopefully will come in the next few weeks.
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I like them both. The keyboard sold the epic to me, along with the display.
I love my Epic. I play a lot of games too, so the choice was obvious to me.
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I'm upgrading on thursday. I finally decided upon the epic because of the hardware keyboard, the awesome screen and the fact that I don't like sense. I went into the sprint store to get a feel for them. That definitely helped me. There have been a few moments here and there where I think "man, maybe I should get the evo." Especially after seeing how large the user community is. But I always come back to the epic. P.s. If you're the primary line then you should be eligible for yearly upgrades with the everything data plan. So you're only stuck with this phone for a year. Or give it thirty days ad switch to the evo if you're not satisfied.

I just got my epic and love it.
The only other phone I think I would consider is the G2 by T-mobile.
I wish we had froyo already but it should be out in a few weeks.
The epic's display is awesome.

keekah said:
I'm upgrading on thursday. I finally decided upon the epic because of the hardware keyboard, the awesome screen and the fact that I don't like sense. I went into the sprint store to get a feel for them. That definitely helped me. There have been a few moments here and there where I think "man, maybe I should get the evo." Especially after seeing how large the user community is. But I always come back to the epic. P.s. If you're the primary line then you should be eligible for yearly upgrades with the everything data plan. So you're only stuck with this phone for a year. Or give it thirty days ad switch to the evo if you're not satisfied.
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Same here. I originally wanted Evo (didn't we all)... then I investigated Epic and found out its a whole lot more than just a keyboard for $50. The added hardware (processor, display, gpu, etc, etc, etc) make me think its plumb silly to buy an Evo... but man those Evo owners are very loud. No one is saying their phone is bad... obviously its great, but boy do they like to cut down the Epic.
In regards to primary line stuff... its currently set to my wife's line. She is on blackberry, but I will probably upgrade her to an Epic later this year so that we are on the same phone (unless a dual core 3.0 phone comes out... then I get it and she gets the Epic ).

I just jumped from an Evo to the Epic and this is my honest advice. If you are here for roms go with the Evo by far. The support for the Evo on this site and the lack there of for the Epic is like night and day.
If you don't plan on Rooting your phone and wanting everything stock go with the Epic. I don't see how anyone can argue differently.

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I just jumped from an Evo to the Epic and this is my honest advice. If you are here for roms go with the Evo by far. The support for the Evo on this site and the lack there of for the Epic is like night and day.
If you don't plan on Rooting your phone and wanting everything stock go with the Epic. I don't see how anyone can argue differently.
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Thanks. Good advice. I like that there is a support community for Evo... but I would only root/flash if I really had to. I am not a power user... couldn't care less about overclocking (at least for now - a year from now who knows).. that being said my Touch Pro is currently unlocked/flashed to MightyROM, so it's not out of the question. I certainly will not be planning to root/flash anytime before official Froyo is released on Epic.

Epic obviously doesn't have same dev community as evo, but we do have a good growing dev community. We have 4 or 5 solid roms out right now and even if that number doesn't grow I'm happy, its about quality not quantity.
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skywalkr2, I worked at Sprint for over 8 years (great place to work, left for an amazing opportunity elsewhere) and as a Pre owner, I was RABIDLY anticipating a new device this year to replace my Pre (greatest software on the market, worst hardware). I'm at work now and took a short break to look at my phone and happened to see this thread in the XDA app. As such, I don't have time at this moment to give my full opinion, but I can tell you that NOBODY did more research on this exact question than I did... and I ended up choosing the EVO AFTER I talked my own father into getting an Epic. I'll post the full list of reasons tonight, I just wanted to get in my two cents since obviously everyone in this forum is likely to tell you the Epic is the best. I was afraid you might see an overwhelming number of people telling you to grab an Epic and then you'd stop checking this thread.
I suggest you at least listen to my reasoning before jumping ship.

ravizzle said:
Well the ppl on the froyo leak say gps is fixed so if that and froyo are ur only 2 probs with epic, they will be solved soon with the ota (the leak is kinda buggy) which hopefully will come in the next few weeks.
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Not so fast. The reports I have seen about the GPS are mixed. For example, see this.
It does sound like one of the GPS bugs -- the bogus estimated accuracy of 30.0 meters that we see now on the Epic-- is fixed in the beta release. But to test the most serious bug -- the failure to achieve satellite lock over time because of a time-sensitive cache problem -- it will take more time and effort than these early anecdotal reports can boast. So far I have not seen any Froyo-release beta tester who seems to know how to test the GPS rigorously, and I am not risking my own phone to flash this leaked ROM.
So the overall status of the GPS is unknown, as far as I'm concerned.

WrlsFanatic said:
I was afraid you might see an overwhelming number of people telling you to grab an Epic and then you'd stop checking this thread.
I suggest you at least listen to my reasoning before jumping ship.
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Great. I will definetely listen. It's exactly why I posted over here.

Dear OP,
If I were in your shoe, I'd wait at least till Epic gets Froyo update. Then you can make apples to apples comparison between Epic and EVO (assuming Evo doesn't get 2.3 update).
Or better yet, if you are a bit more patient, wait till january, when HTC Knight (Speedy?) becomes available. If Knights come with 2.2, it's more likely to get updated to 2.3 than current EVO or EPIC. The general consensus here is that neither EVO or Epic will officially get updated to Gingerbread. If you don't want to be stock with TP till January, get a refurb HTC Hero from ebay for about $100.

acegolfer said:
Dear OP,
If I were in your shoe, I'd wait at least till Epic gets Froyo update. Then you can make apples to apples comparison between Epic and EVO (assuming Evo doesn't get 2.3 update).
Or better yet, if you are a bit more patient, wait till january, when HTC Knight (Speedy?) becomes available. If Knights come with 2.2, it's more likely to get updated to 2.3 than current EVO or EPIC. The general consensus here is that neither EVO or Epic will officially get updated to Gingerbread.
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Isn't the Knight 3g only?

Just upgraded from my trusty HTC Hero, about an hour ago. I have a lot to get used to, touch wiz is a lot different than sence. Definitely faster an nicer. Next thing to do is root and get rid out the bloat!

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Just upgraded from my trusty HTC Hero, about an hour ago. I have a lot to get used to, touch wiz is a lot different than sence. Definitely faster an nicer. Next thing to do is root and get rid out the bloat!
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Get launcher po. Its like sense on steroids, and the tw notification bar with toggles is so awesome. I came from hero too.
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I might have some perspective on this question. I had a Touch Pro 2 prior to my Epic. I thought the TP2 was a great phone. Now I don't know how I ever managed with it. So point one is, EITHER the Epic or the Evo will seem like a HUGE step up.
One of the other phones on our plan is an Evo, so I've had a fair chance to experience that phone and my Epic.
I would give both very high marks, and I think that the recent rating (can't remember from what publication) that gave them number one and number two of all phones was correct.
I waited for the Epic because I was used to the keyboard on the TP2, and thought it was very necessary. However, Once I got the Epic, with Swype, I find I almost never use the keyboard. It's still handy once in a while, but now I could live without it, as long as I have Swype.
For a short while we were successful in getting Swype to work on the Evo. When it did, the Evo really would have worked for me as well as the Epic. Alas, it has not proven possible to get the program to work reliably on there.
So oddly, the phone with the keyboard doesn't really need it because it has Swype, and the phone without a keyboard doesn't have Swype, and can't seem to have it.
That comes down to the sole "real" issue for me. Both have been nearly trouble free, and Android just annihilates Windows Mobile.
Radio Shack now has the Epic for $220.00, and the Evo for $150.00. When I bought the difference was $50.00, and then they lowered it within the first 30 days, so my total difference was only $20.00. For $20.00 more, I'd say take the Epic for sure. For $70.00 more, I'd say the scale tips in favor of the Evo.
Again, they're both just great phones. I don't think you can go "wrong" with either.
Harris

So, I have had both phones Epic & Evo. Here is my opinion about both.
Evo had a bigger screen and kickstand that I love and miss till this day. I loved the build qualitiy of the Evo, it just felt so much more durable. The evo is truly a great phone and i miss the heck outta it!
The Epic.... I love it! I love the keyboard, I tried so hard to get use to the on-screen keyboard on the EVO (even tried swype on it) and couldn't use it.. As I am a heavy texter (about 3000+ a month) the keyboard is a must for me. The screen on the Epic is well..... just EPIC! Its amazing! but then again the Evo had the bigger screen....
Both are awesome phones! If I could have both I would use the EVO to watch movies (kickstand) and to customize a lot. But I would def use the Epic as my daily phone. I strongly believe once we receive froyo there will be bigger & better things stored for us.
If you think you can live without a keyboard go for the EVO, but since your use to keyboards like the tp had then I would get the Epic.. (That is if you used it a lot?)
Like I stated both phones are great but I'd have to say Epic with the screen, keyboard & I personally think the camera quality is better on both the front and back. Defiantly the video quality is better on the Epic. 720p on the EVO looked like crap and didn't even look like 720p, the Epic is much crisp & clear IMO.
However I did miss HTC Sense (i loved the animations & clock) but with a couple apps from the market, you can make your phone feel like your using an HTC phone! Good luck on whatever you may choose, I'm sure you will be satisfied with either phone!

Which of these 2 phones in your opinion truly owns the iphone4. Evo 4g or epic 4g

Just want to get a chat going about this whole android vs apple os situation. So why not see which out of the two best phones sprint currently has to offer that can truly own the iphone4.
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Neither.
The iPhone4 is a great piece of hardware and has the gigantic app store as a ridiculously awesome selling point.
The Epic4g has similar hardware to the iPhone 4, but has a much more open OS that allows user customization and has much more media playback capability than the iPhone or Evo4g. Where the iPhone has a higher res screen, the Epic has a much better looking screen.
The Evo4g has a larger screen than the iPhone but with a smaller resolution. The Evo4g has the slowest hardware of the 3, but has the largest screen and a kickstand. It also has media playback capabilities that are hindered by HTC's refusal to offer hardware acceleration for Divx, which places it ahead of the iPhone but behind the Epic4g.
Neither phone "owns" the iPhone. Of the three, I obviously think the Epic4g fits my needs the most. I am also not a fan of iOS at all, but there is no arguing against the might that is the App Store. In fact, I think that iOS is absolute garbage personally, and I use it daily on my iPad. I don't like Apple as a company really because of what they do with their software, but there is absolutely no arguing that they put out the highest quality hardware in the business.

Well...I think we should just be comparing android phones in this situation. Because the iPhone isnt for Sprint so even if we were to all come to the conclusion that the iPhone is the best phone out there, there's nothing we can do about it. But with the Evo and Epic we can compare/contrast and switch. But I think there are already threads like that so...meh.
But if I were to pick a Sprint phone to compare to the iPhone...I'd choose the Epic and I would say that they are about the same. I wouldn't throw the Evo in the mix, I just got an Epic today and I'm never going to look at my Evo again(I'd rather go back to my 1st gen iPhone before I go back to the Evo)...I could write essays about everything wrong with that device.

ms79723 said:
Well...I think we should just be comparing android phones in this situation. Because the iPhone isnt for Sprint so even if we were to all come to the conclusion that the iPhone is the best phone out there, there's nothing we can do about it. But with the Evo and Epic we can compare/contrast and switch. But I think there are already threads like that so...meh.
But if I were to pick a Sprint phone to compare to the iPhone...I'd choose the Epic and I would say that they are about the same. I wouldn't throw the Evo in the mix, I just got an Epic today and I'm never going to look at my Evo again(I'd rather go back to my 1st gen iPhone before I go back to the Evo)...I could write essays about everything wrong with that device.
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When i had my evo it started getting slower and slower over time and the battery would drain faster than ever.

I'll tell you this..not the EVO..ironically the iPhone has better hardware specs then the EVO...the Epic and the Galaxy S line are right now the only Android phones that beat the iPhone hardware wise..

I say both best the iphone because of android I prefer Epic over Evo
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When i had my evo it started getting slower and slower over time and the battery would drain faster than ever.
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I know!! >.< so frustrating. And idk, the dev community is bigger so it has that, but I'd rather have a device where you dont have to rely on the community that much. I mean, I rooted my Epic today and put on 2.2.1 and this thing is amazing. I'm not thinking about any other roms or anything, I'm already happy. With the Evo, as soon as you flash one rom and kernel combo, you're only happy for like 10mins, then you find all these things you dont like and you're flashing something else...And must of it is all the placebo effect. Out of all the kernels for the Evo, there are only 2-3 that actually seemed to help, the rest were the same as stock. But idk...I'm just an angry ex-Evo user. After using the Epic today, I'm just pissed off at the Evo.
Epic = iPhone > Evo.
And apple is lucky that they dont try to put iOS on everything, or else their phone would be garbage..but at the same time, since they didn't do that, thats probably what's going to bury them. Well..that's if Android doesn't bury itself first.

I need the Epic's physical keyboard.

Well, I got my Epic first and I love it, but 4 months down the road, I got tired of waiting on Samsung/Sprint to release 2.2 and the source code and just recently got myself an Evo to play around with also. Both are great phones, and the Epic definitely feels better in my hand is easier to type with when I am doing long emails or long text messaging. I find my Evo (only had for a few days now) to be awesome in its own aspects. It gets the latest and the greatest from Cyanogen MOD with CM7 being AWESOME. Untill the Epic actually gets the source code released and more development can happen, then I think I will stick with my Evo. Cause when that actually happens, CM6 will be done and CM7 will be ported shortly after and work fully, and then I can sell my Evo.
Oh, and btw, iOS sucks. I can't stand their layout, so I can't really compare the 2, I played on my friends 3gs and it's like using a 1 button mouse to me. What the hell were they thinking with 1 button to rule them all at the bottom. I can't stand it. Apple does a pretty good job at upgrading their OS, but they will never be as good as Android because of the open source programmers and developers we have that will continue to push the envelope with what is released.

Epic....
cos I own one

[Q] Would you still buy a Samsung Epic 4G?

My wife due for a new phone. She has a HTC Touch Pro 2 now.
Would you still buy a Samsung Epic 4G or wait for something else? Here's the hitch, she loves the keyboard so... she wants a phone with a keyboard.
I've read the HTC EVO shift is not that great and the screen is smaller. That's why I was leaning toward the Epic 4G
Any suggestions would help. I know the Epic 4G is getting old and don't want her to get stuck with an older phone if a newer, better one is coming out soon.
p.s. Android phones only please. (I don't see Windows making it!)

The only thing better is the dual core, but then you get to go through all the development cycle again. Depends on whether you want stability or raw fracking power tech.
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Thanks!
She will be keeping the phone with the stock rom.
I think it will be fast enough for her. She just uses it for internet, youtube, texting, emails. Nothing too major.

Yes if it for an everyday user it the perfect phone! Beautiful screen and super fast for an everyday user!
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I would hold off and wait, the new phones are coming soon. You might find something you like better, if not then you could always get the epic then for less probably.
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Well, if you want her to be involved in the latest tech, I'd wait a bit until there's a phone that's dual-core and has a keyboard. Unfortunately, I haven't heard anything coming soon like that, so it's your choice.
For her basic uses and stuff, she might want to wait only because the keyboard on this phone is a bit laggy in its current state.
If she's okay with that, then buy an Epic It's still a great phone.

Yea as long as she doesn't mind a little wobble here and there on her phone...

i personally would just get the nexus! its a google phone so you know it will be supported by devs and google themselves
edit: nvm i didnt see the part that said she likes the keyboard
just go with the epic
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Absolutely! I've loved my device and I'm itching for my new one. Developing on it has been rewarding, and all the missed sleep has been worth it.

I went from the tp2 to the Epic and I don't how to say it in nice words. I had the tp2 for 1 1/2 years and if I had know how good android was compared to winmo 6.5 I would have thrown that thing in a lake. Going to the epic felt like going from a 486 dx2-66 to a quad core computer. IMOP the tp2 was the worst touch phone I have ever owned. If she is like my wife and just wants a nice phone that works and no modding then I would get the epic now. Everything on it is allmost instant when touched and I have not had any keyboard issues at all.
My epic is stock rom and rooted no custom roms. have had it for 6 months and only locked up twice so far where I had to pull the battery.
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minics04 said:
My wife due for a new phone. She has a HTC Touch Pro 2 now.
Would you still buy a Samsung Epic 4G or wait for something else? Here's the hitch, she loves the keyboard so... she wants a phone with a keyboard.
I've read the HTC EVO shift is not that great and the screen is smaller. That's why I was leaning toward the Epic 4G
Any suggestions would help. I know the Epic 4G is getting old and don't want her to get stuck with an older phone if a newer, better one is coming out soon.
p.s. Android phones only please. (I don't see Windows making it!)
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I just ordered my wife one a couple of days ago. Will be ordering my daughter one also.
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The keyboard has issues with skipping letters, which makes it very difficult to type fast on, and there's a slight wobble when open (nothing drastic).
I would definitely factor in software support too, which is severely lacking with the Epic 4G. You have to consider all the bug/security/critical fixes that are a significant part of the updates. I, personally, have been having software issues from the DK28 leak to EC05, Eclair was the only one that was every completely stable for me.

for 19.99 hell yea.
i love my epic, but ive recently played around with a mytouch 4g and that thing is blazing quick and snappy. everyone here says the epic is the quickest and best non dual-core phone (and i trust them since they know more than me), but i feel that phone is more responsive. it's stock and so is mine. its running adw like my epic. why do you guys think the mytouch runs much smoother?

What kind of software problems do you have? I have seen very little on my end. Confuses me on xda where some say there are a lot of problems and some have very few to all most no problems. I type very fast on my keyboard and it never skips a beat.
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Especially now that it comes with Froyo, an Epic is a no-brainer for these prices. I paid many times more and coming from an original Touch Pro, it was like going from a Dodge Dart hooptie to a Lamborghini.

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Are you sure it comes with Froyo? I'm helping someone pick out a phone, and this person, like the OP's wife, will be using it completely stock and unrooted. I can't find the details on sprint.com either way, but Best Buy and Radio Shack both say 2.1 in their specs about the phone. I heard there were problems with the updates, so I'm not sure at all that it comes with 2.2, and that's a real consideration for someone who will be running this stock, I think.

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Are you sure it comes with Froyo? I'm helping someone pick out a phone, and this person, like the OP's wife, will be using it completely stock and unrooted. I can't find the details on sprint.com either way, but Best Buy and Radio Shack both say 2.1 in their specs about the phone. I heard there were problems with the updates, so I'm not sure at all that it comes with 2.2, and that's a real consideration for someone who will be running this stock, I think.
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I can only go by what I saw in a local Sprint store. I would hope that they would have all their stock replaced with 2.2 versions out of the box, but even if they don't, a stock 2.1 phone should receive the 2.2 upgrade over the air fairly quick. I'd just advise trying to get it updated before installing much else on it. The latest Froyo is as official as it gets and is pushed everywhere to phones which can receive it, AFAIK.

i also came from a touch pro 2 and i was amazed how good the EPIC was I think it's a great phone. Plus radiosack.com has the epic for $19.99 with a new contract and $49 upgrade. That's a steal. I like the phone so much(and hated att service so much) the price drop doesn't even bother me. The last 6 months was worth the launch price.

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Plus radiosack.com has the epic for $19.99 with a new contract
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Oh my, thanks for that. We can't pass that up (totally new contract). If it doesn't have 2.2, I'll just go ahead and root it and put Syndicate on it.
With regard to the question the OP asked, I suppose my answer is that, yes, I would buy another Epic, at least right now. I've looked around at what Sprint currently has, and there's nothing I'd rather have than the Epic. The keyboard doesn't mean as much to me as I thought it would, but I'd still prefer the Epic to the Evo. I'm not sure the upcoming Nexus S is much better than the Epic. Now, once the Evo 3D comes out, that might be something to look at, but that's months away. I have no plans or desires to switch phones, but have been looking a lot to help someone else, and I'm glad that I discovered that the Epic is still the phone to get if you're tied to Sprint (company discount).

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Oh my, thanks for that. We can't pass that up (totally new contract). If it doesn't have 2.2, I'll just go ahead and root it and put Syndicate on it.
With regard to the question the OP asked, I suppose my answer is that, yes, I would buy another Epic, at least right now. I've looked around at what Sprint currently has, and there's nothing I'd rather have than the Epic. The keyboard doesn't mean as much to me as I thought it would, but I'd still prefer the Epic to the Evo. I'm not sure the upcoming Nexus S is much better than the Epic. Now, once the Evo 3D comes out, that might be something to look at, but that's months away. I have no plans or desires to switch phones, but have been looking a lot to help someone else, and I'm glad that I discovered that the Epic is still the phone to get if you're tied to Sprint (company discount).
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If the keyboard doesn't mean that much to you, you might as well wait little over a week for the nexus, for the better form factor alone. I guess you're weighing price vs size & software support, all other things being almost equal.

My Experience (Evo Vs Epic)

hope u all enjoy this read.
im going to post my experiences and thoughts with both phones.
not hating on either one, just a clear cut opinion.
I personally first came to android after the Evo came out, i was lucky to get one July 27th. I had the G1 for a couple weeks on Tmo (a long time ago) and i was not impressed.
before that i was a blackberry guy for the longest.
I switched from Tmo to sprint because tmos service went to crap. i drive for a living and i do about 200 miles a day. Tmos service would drop during the drive in the same exact spots where i knew i would lose service. 7 different places to be exact with crappy reception in between.
i figured id try sprint. anyways i stuck with them with a awesome phone the Evo 4g.
The Dev area for the evo is un-real, roms galore, kernel galore, everything is flashable and seems to be very easy to do.
A plus for the evo for sure.
With the right rom/kernel combo along with the seido 3500 battery, it was a incredible phone. Doing anything i needed it to when i needed it. Never having to worry about battery life.
i had no issues with the evo, but i did have to return it due to it overheating and shutting off until cooled (kernel issue and something i did im sure), i got it replaced and was happy as a clam.
As for samsung, i critized them and hated on them every chance i got.
the support for them always seemed to be crap and doing things on them seemed to be not as easy.
well some things happened id rather not discuss and i had to get rid of the evo, i found a Epic on craigslist(may 1st) and it was listed as a "galaxy pro" The guy didnt know what it was, but the pics showed it was a epic. i verified the ESN was clean and picked it up for $65.00!!
Couldn't pass that up at all, besides all that i needed another android, for a couple weeks i was using a beat up blackberry curve 8530 and seemed to be having withdraws lol.
Anyways i fell in love with the sammy as soon as i started playing with it. The screen is just poppy and incredible. it blows the evo screen away easy.
im not fond of slide out keyboards, but i figured with the screen being 4 inchs, id have no issue with adjusting from the evo and its 4.3 inch.
Touchwiz isnt all that bad either, i thought it would be worse, but its not bad at all. Can become adjusted to TWiz or Sense very quickly.
it fits well in my hand, but im too interested in the power button on the side, seems out of place. Really im used to the button up top along with the charger port on the bottom instead of the top, but love the little "door" on the charger port.
Dev area for the Epic is smaller, and a little more "intermediate" then the simple flash and go of the evo.
i miss the evo dev section, but have become used to the epic area and getting the hang of things quickly.
To be honest.
both phones are great, id be happy with either or. With the evo its all in the dev section, with the epic its all in the screen.
i wont be slamming samsung anymore because im just as happy as i was with the evo. i may go back to HTC for the ease of things after the evo 3d or something else comes out.
but im very comfortable with the epic and its a great choice in the android world right along side the evo.

the screen really is amazing. i like the camera better too. sometimes i wish i had a snapdragon phone just for roms, but this whole nexus S thing could change everything. sounds like a fair review to me. just flashed the ACS rom and its pretty damn good. will deffinitly tide me over till GB

I picked up an evo on launch day, broke it and jumped ship to the epic when it launched. While the evo had a better dev community imo, I still enjoy my epic. The screen is really what takes the cake. I could care less about the keyboard so next time I'm in the market for a phone I'm gonna sit back, observe the dev communtiy for a while when the new flagships launch and see what happens. I do love my epic but when it comes down to it, its all about development which I feel the epic lacks compared to the evo. The devs here are amazing, I just feel that things are much slower around here than the evo section. Still though this is a great phone. I've been running the ACS rom for a few days and its flawless. Not to mention I was able to get a day and a halfs worth of battery on it
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Both suck. Att tilt ftw
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RushAOZ said:
Both suck. Att tilt ftw
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i second that, ill even buy your little epics and evos for $25, each. ill even help you out and show you a gently used awesome tilt.
http://www.craytonelectronics.com/8925a.html

I really like Touchwiz, I avoid roms that don't support it.

I first got my epic over the Evo because I knew the battery life was going to be much better. I'm not sure if it's really any different or not, I haven't used an Evo many times other than at work (I work with phones). I think the epic is better because of the AMOLED screen. Plain and simple, everything just looks better.

murso74 said:
the screen really is amazing. i like the camera better too. sometimes i wish i had a snapdragon phone just for roms, but this whole nexus S thing could change everything. sounds like a fair review to me. just flashed the ACS rom and its pretty damn good. will deffinitly tide me over till GB
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You know i forgot to say anything about the camera itself.
we all know the evo and HTC make ****ty camera drivers , constant complaint even though its a 8mp on the evo.
samsung on the other hand knows what they are doing in this regard.

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I picked up an evo on launch day, broke it and jumped ship to the epic when it launched. While the evo had a better dev community imo, I still enjoy my epic. The screen is really what takes the cake. I could care less about the keyboard so next time I'm in the market for a phone I'm gonna sit back, observe the dev communtiy for a while when the new flagships launch and see what happens. I do love my epic but when it comes down to it, its all about development which I feel the epic lacks compared to the evo. The devs here are amazing, I just feel that things are much slower around here than the evo section. Still though this is a great phone. I've been running the ACS rom for a few days and its flawless. Not to mention I was able to get a day and a halfs worth of battery on it
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i completely agree, same thing i was basically saying.
im running syndicate fully loaded myself.
having crappy battery but im trying to address all that as of right now.

My wife has an evo and I have the epic so I do have the luxury of flashing both. Yes the evo development section s is bigger buy there are so many roms they all copy each other. I like the roms hear as they all offer something unique. I also love the Amoled screen and the camera. The epic is faster in both cpu and gpu. They are both awesome phones I just prefer the epic. It is if u like to flash stuff to have an evo though. I can flash all day lol
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This is what I like to see..a lot of people never give things a fair chance and go off baseless rumors....
For example:
1) Samsung does not support their phones:
This was kind samsungs fault as they promised an 2.0 update to the Behold and then never delivered..said it wasn't possible and only updated to 1.6...from then on everyone made the assumption that Samsung would NEVER update their phones...other manufacturers havent updated their phones either on plenty of occasions..sure its Samsungs fault for not delivering but you can't base everything on 1 occasion...Also a lot of people group "support" and "updating"...Samsung is know for its good support actually..
2) Touchwiz is the devil that lags up the phone and brings nothing
While all UIs add bloat..TouchWiz is not as bad as people make it out to be..most hate TouchWiz received was in the winmo days...and the old Touchwiz was junk..plus the new TouchWiz looks similar to the iphone in the app launcher thus mustering more hate...I wont say TouchWiz is the best UI..but its one of the cleanest UIs I've seen..
I find it Ironic how an HTC device has like 5 issues and people just go oh well..while if samsung has 1 issue people scream how Samsung sucks and they shouldnt have bought it...my only request is that people look at all manufacturers equally without bias and judge based on the overall product fairly..
So its not about who is better HTC or Samsung..its about who is it acceptable to buy from...and at this moment both HTC and Samsung are my options for buying...this gives me more choice...in the future I hope to add LG and maybe Motorola to my "acceptable" list if they meet my standards..and the more manufacturers that meet my standards the more "CHOICE" I have...I expect by the SGS 2 becoming mainstream the community will rival HTC devices in development..

What I really liked about the evo is that EVERYTHING Is flashable.
From radio updates,to pri, to anything you can think of.
You just download it and flash it, so simple.
Kernel support its also great.
thats what I miss most.
Not saying that the epic devs are bad, im loving avs.
But the evo area is def more popular.
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What I really liked about the evo is that EVERYTHING Is flashable.
From radio updates,to pri, to anything you can think of.
You just download it and flash it, so simple.
Kernel support its also great.
thats what I miss most.
Not saying that the epic devs are bad, im loving avs.
But the evo area is def more popular.
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can you reiterate? we can flash anything on the Epic as well...
But obviously they have a larger dev base due to:
1) Evo coming out first
2) People choosing HTC just because its HTC
3) Sprint spent their entire budget advertising the EVO while spent nothing to advertise the Epic until it won the pcworld #1 phone award..then they spent a little..
4) Nexus One giving a lot of grounds
5) Devs more used to how HTC does things

Well Odin has to be used for radios and stuff.
We cant simply flash a rom without checking what file system it is, things like that.
They are non existent on the evo.
Along with the whole rfs/ext system thing we don't need to worry about on the evo.
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What I really liked about the evo is that EVERYTHING Is flashable.
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Everything is flashable on the Epic, too - see Odin.

intheb0x said:
Well Odin has to be used for radios and stuff.
We cant simply flash a rom without checking what file system it is, things like that.
They are non existent on the evo.
Along with the whole rfs/ext system thing we don't need to worry about on the evo.
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If you use cwm on the evo its basically the same as our epics, edify=cwm3 amend=cwm2. The bonus for the evo is amon RA which can go both ways. Just try flashing gb with cwm2 and well your in trouble.

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Everything is flashable on the Epic, too - see Odin.
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i mean non Odin wise,
like on the go type stuff.
i dont know how many times ive downloaded different kernels or dif lock screens, radios or pri's on the go and could just go into recovery and flash.
no pc required.
thats what i meant.

intheb0x said:
i mean non Odin wise,
like on the go type stuff.
i dont know how many times ive downloaded different kernels or dif lock screens, radios or pri's on the go and could just go into recovery and flash.
no pc required.
thats what i meant.
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Your joking right? I have only used odin once to flash the ec05 modem and I've flashed most of the eb13/ec05 roms, kernels, themes, ect. Actually I've flashed all eb13/ec05 kernels and have been on cm7 a1&a4. I avoid odin at all costs, but its always there just in case I goof. So far so good.

Ya. The epics screen is amazing. Im not buying no other device unless its amoled.
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The Epic is my first Android phone and I picked it over the Evo for two main reasons.
1) Physical keyboard
I thought I needed a physical keyboard and it turns out I do and I don't. For email/sms Swype works great. However for things like working in the terminal the virtual keyboard just doesn't work for me.
2) The screen.
Don't have to say much here
Overall I've been very happy w/ my Epic. Still need to test out Syndicate but for now rooted w/ the screen rotation lag fix is good enough.

witch is better? evo or epic?

ok so here the deal. i might get a evo, but im not sure if it will be better in anyway then my epic. now i want to get a evo 3d but dont have the cash. so my question is, should i get a evo or just stick with my epic? they both are about the same spec wise but that doesnt mean one isnt faster than the other. any ideas? now i would be keeping my epic incase i dont like the evo but i dont want to get it and wast my money.
thanks =)

cavey8500 said:
ok so here the deal. i might get a evo, but im not sure if it will be better in anyway then my epic. now i want to get a evo 3d but dont have the cash. so my question is, should i get a evo or just stick with my epic? they both are about the same spec wise but that doesnt mean one isnt faster than the other. any ideas? now i would be keeping my epic incase i dont like the evo but i dont want to get it and wast my money.
thanks =)
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Stick with the Epic, and save your money.
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cavey8500 said:
ok so here the deal. i might get a evo, but im not sure if it will be better in anyway then my epic. now i want to get a evo 3d but dont have the cash. so my question is, should i get a evo or just stick with my epic? they both are about the same spec wise but that doesnt mean one isnt faster than the other. any ideas? now i would be keeping my epic incase i dont like the evo but i dont want to get it and wast my money.
thanks =)
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Yeah, I'd have to say you should save money and keep your Epic. You're able to make phone calls and do the already important things you need a phone for. So save up man.
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cavey8500 said:
ok so here the deal. i might get a evo, but im not sure if it will be better in anyway then my epic. now i want to get a evo 3d but dont have the cash. so my question is, should i get a evo or just stick with my epic? they both are about the same spec wise but that doesnt mean one isnt faster than the other. any ideas? now i would be keeping my epic incase i dont like the evo but i dont want to get it and wast my money.
thanks =)
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What would be the advantage of getting the Evo if you already have the Epic and it's working?
Both phones are great, but I prefer the screen on the Epic, so I'd stick with it. Especially since it will save you money.

im just board of my phone, thats the only reason. and my keyboad is litteraly starting to fall apart. my space key is in 3 peices, superglued on. no lie

Evo all they way!!!
Obviously I am kidding. Keep the Epic and save the money.
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I'd wait for a new device that is better than what you currently have. Otherwise you're making a lateral move.

If your eligible for upgrade, amazon has all sprint phones on sale for a penny until midnight tonite. (Nov 28th)
Including the evo 3d.
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austin420 said:
If your eligible for upgrade, amazon has all sprint phones on sale for a penny until midnight tonite. (Nov 28th)
Including the evo 3d.
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i probably am, but my dad (family plan) NEVER resigns contracts....haha like never. we had verizon for like 8years, with out ever resigning a contract....lol
ok well thanks guys for all your input, ill just keep looking for a evo 3d on craigslist haha =) maybe one will be in my price range soon.

There's an Evo 3D in the market place for $200 in really good shape. Its a steal for that cost but the seller is only offering it at that price for today.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366006
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If you had neither phone, the answer would likely be easy: get the Evo (even if it were simply the Evo 4G -- and not the 3D -- we were talking about it would be the better choice given the heavy handful of unnecessary complications the Epic 4G comes along with like GPS, accelerometer quirkiness and lagging CM support [not to mention lagging manufacturer support]).
Given that you actually already have an Epic 4G, the answer is a little tougher. It would be easy to say: "Try and stick it out for now. The Epic's a decent phone. Load up some lean, optimized ROM's and it may satisfy you for quite a time longer."
Sure that would be easy for me to say, but it also comes from the view of subsidized phone buyer that isn't used to giving $200 and not receiving a top-2 tier phone. But wait, what are we talking about?? "they both are about the same spec wise" is way FALSE...
The Evo 3D is a top-2 phone on the Sprint network (it should have twice the potential processing power of the Epic 4G, does have twice the RAM [which, btw, I would expect to be the solution for the majority of any slowdowns you may be experiencing with your Epic], and if we are to continue to distinguish their specs... it also has 35% more screen real-estate, resolution-wise [if that matters to ya]). If you can indeed buy it contract-less for the same price everyone else typically pays for a top-tier-er on-contract: just buy the darned thing.
Disclaimer: I have never used, nor completely read any reviews on, and do not explicitly 'follow' the happenings of the Evo 3D. The above recommendations are based on solid common sense, but should not be confused to include personal experience with the device.

I own both and I have to say that the epic is WAY faster even when the evo is on an AOSP rom. Also, the epic screen is way better...
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Keep the epic. By the way, why would you want an Evo 3D? The hardware is almost dated by now, and it'll definitely be out-of-date in the coming months with quad-core. Also, if you've played with the Epic 4G touch, then it'll blow you away. It is way smoother than the Evo 3D, and the battery life is much better. The Evo 3D's battery isn't awful, but with medium usage, you'll barely survive a day.
If you're looking toward a new phone, wait a bit for quad-core. Dual core is gonna be left in the dust once quad-core comes out, and it's not that far away. Note that quad-core will greatly improve battery life, performance, and more since ICS has hardware acceleration optimized for it.
That being said, I wouldn't get a Galaxy Nexus either. Nexus phones are great, but that's only because they release the latest & greatest android version. To be honest, the galaxy nexus doesn't even stand a chance against the GS2, but it definitely kills an Evo 3D.
Hope this opened your choices up a bit, rather than to focus on an almost 6-month old phone

Keyboard is a double edged sword. I got the epic for my wife and I because she wanted a keyboard and this would be my first android phone so I wanted us to have the same. The keyboard itself is great as far as keyboards go but moving parts always break eventually. The evo would last much longer than the epic I am sure. If you get new phones regularly its no big deal but if you stick with one for a long time the candy bar format sans keyboard would be the most reliable.
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Go to swappa.com to see the cheapest unlocked but used phones. I hear it works well.
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get insurance on that beast and get it fixed!

Besides, most people leave the Epic for the Nexus S 4g, not the EVO.

I'd wait for the LTE phones if you already have an Epic.
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cavey8500 said:
im just board of my phone, thats the only reason. and my keyboad is litteraly starting to fall apart. my space key is in 3 peices, superglued on. no lie
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I've been using the Epic since February, bought it because of the beautiful screen. I don't think I've used the slide out keyboard more than 3 times. It was nice to know I had it if I needed it but I'm now convinced I can do without one.

Eepppiiiiccccc!!!!!!!!!!! The evo sucks
Battery is terribleee
And its slower than this
And it doesn't have a cool widget button set in the notifications
And doesn't have a beautiful clear screen like this phone lol
And nooooo keyboardd so touch can get annoying sometimes especially when sometimes u get a drop of water on the screen (which winter is coming so be expecting a lot of rain) and in the cold the touch won't respond to ur frozen fingers lol
That's just what I think and I can give u a lot more reasons if u want
Like rooting the epic and having cwm and roms is easier on epic and u won't have all the amazing devs that u will have over here lol
This is all just my opinions
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