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Regarding the "HTC Vision" T-Mobile G2 & the "HTC Vision" HTC Desire Z, right now each one has its own separate subforum
We are talking about the same phone (with slight brand and band differences) over two different subforums. ROMs would be different, but the hardware is the same
DISCUSSION:
- Should the "HTC Vision" G2 & "HTC Vision" Desire Z's subforums better get merged ?
- Could there be more collaboration and cross-information in such case ??
- Have we previously had a symilar experience with another HTC device ??
- Or is it better to keep both phones' android development appart, over separated subforums ??
(and separate other future "HTC Vision" variants too, like the upcomming HTC Vision for Verizon, the ADR6325 aka HTC Merge/Lexikon)
- What's best for development / ROM cooking purposes ??
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Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre
andrewilley said:
Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre
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"Vision" is not obsolete, even official ROMs seem to be labeled as "RUU Vision HTC WWE etc..."
Some users @ G2 forums are reporting flashing the Desire Z ROM into the G2
EDIT: up to date only one user
and in the Desire Z forums some users are following the G2's root process
Time will tell for sure, but looks like they are the same phone,
just different radios and badges
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Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.
By TOTAL coincidence I PMed one of the mods last night about this same topic.
I believe his/her intention was to bring it up with the other moderators to see what the deal is, since the G2 and the Z so far as we know only have very slight differences:
Frequency Bands
ROM size
this would fall under the same situation as other devices such as the fuze/touch pro (aka Raphael) (yes I know ROM wasnt different sizes).
If there were serious differences that would cause ROM incompatabilities then sure
"Desire Z Android Development" and "G2 Android Development" sub-fora would do the trick????
But as a device family they are still both a HTC Vision.
There @ G2's fora, by now, seems only one person has reported cross-flashing
I don't have a D-Z or G2 to confirm /deny, so
I am eagerly following the G2 forums (and the desire Z's release date ) for more evidence
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Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.
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I had the same idea initially,
but no poll is required if the hardware is the same
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Our stance in a case like this where there is a USA variant of a phone that is nearly identical to the Euro-spec phone is to still have separate forums. This leads to the least amount of confusion. What would happen (and we've tried this for other devices in the past) is that some people will post their G2 questions (usually T-Mobile specific) in the Desire Z forum, thus requiring the moderators to constantly migrate posts. Also, G2 ROMs won't work on the Desire Z.
For now, we'll keep them separate. If anyone has a major disagreement (now or in the future), please send me a PM.
Well, IMHO it's a good decision to have separate sections.
See TMOUS HD2 and Europe HD2.
Shouldn't it be one general and two development then?
Like X10 Mini and X10 Mini Pro.
Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.
Desire Z is starting to ship. Let's wait a few weeks to see the level of development there is for each device. If needed, we will merge.
kholk said:
Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.
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so... are we going to have yet another forum for BELL users only ??
hmmm...
as svetius stated,
let's see what happens when more of us get our D-Zs,
but lets not close the possibility
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Ponder this for a minute.
The G2 and Desire Z (although not yet in circulation) are very popular devices. By keeping separate forums for each device, your chances of finding accurate information increases, and helps the mods keep the forums cleaner. If the two were combined, I guarantee you that we would receive even more complaints about "noobs" posting in the dev section and creating new threads to ask questions that have already been answered. By keeping separate forums it makes my job keeping Desire Z clean (weeding out these complaints and stopping them from happening) and CaptainKrtek to keep G2 clean.
With that said, would you rather have easy navigation and a clean fora, or would you rather have the two combined, which IMHO, really holds no purpose?
I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??
gtrab said:
I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??
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Yes, I understand they have already made breakthroughs on the G2, but what would be easier for an up-and-coming DZ owner? Weed through all the items in G2 fora or have a fresh start with a relatively new fora? Trust me, Devs will not limit themselves to the DZ fora for info. If there is something out there, they will find it, and incorporate it in DZ forum, you just have to give it some time. In the mean time, SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND
Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today
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Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today
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Lol, Damn Skippy! Congrats
I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.
Pickx said:
I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.
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It certainly holds its purpose for the HD2.
I can't see the benefit in keeping things separate. As gtrab said, I too am now keeping track on both sets of forums. Pretty much everything over in ROM development for the G2 is relevant to the DZ. There is going to be an awful lot of duplication over the coming weeks. Either that, or the DZ forums will be quiet with more and more people going over to the G2 side. But if DZ stuff is asked about over on G2, I presume that'll be off-topic. Seems like a mess to me.
I can understand the idea of waiting and seeing how it goes though, just wish the decision was otherwise.
So as not to entirely cross-post, I just want to point to my post in the Desire dev forum, If you can offer any advice on whether I should buy a Desire or Desire HD for my FM Radio app development, please see this thread I started on the Desire dev forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13196220#post13196220
Briefly I've developed a "Real" FM Radio app with RDS data features etc on HTC LEgend that I want to get working on Broadcom FM etc chip based devices. (Currently only have experimental support for Broadcom.)
Thanks !
mikereidis said:
MODS: This is just a pointer tp a post that M_T_M now agrees was incorrectly moved out of the Desire dev forum. I'm a dev wanting to ask other devs which phone I should buy to continue development of my app.
So as not to entirely cross-post, I just want to point to my post in the Desire dev forum, If you can offer any advice on whether I should buy a Desire or Desire HD for my FM Radio app development, please see this thread I started on the Desire dev forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13196220#post13196220
Briefly I've developed a "Real" FM Radio app with RDS data features etc on HTC LEgend that I want to get working on Broadcom FM etc chip based devices. (Currently only have experimental support for Broadcom.)
Thanks !
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People should not tell you what to buy LOL
send from my chimped Desire HD
capychimp said:
People should not tell you what to buy LOL
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Well, I'm asking and I want feedback.
Surprisingly, I have 4 votes for the older Desire. HD is a flop ?
I wonder if that's because that post is on the Desire forum. LOL.
One thread in the Desire HD forum is enough.
With so many Xperia devices getting ICS, isn't there a chance we might use them to get an "official" ICS ROM for our older Xperia X10?
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-beginning-to-upgrade-many-ics-xperia-devices-this-week/
No hope for x10
Superman™
No chance!
but hey; Jerpelea, our hero!!, has made a cm9 ROM for us.
Greets Maik
@iridaki or colossus please close this Thread
not a chance ...
I took a look at some device's forum then I realized there is no more poor development runing than x10
look at hd2 forum it's as active as always
This is a question answered multiple times throughout the X10 forums.
Sony will not upgrade the X10 to ICS.
They have given it 2 major Android version updates (2.1 and 2.3) and it is an old model.
Granted, it is still decent and all, but life goes on.
Thread closed.
Welcome to Xperia Z OFF TOPIC Thread!
You are able to say anything and discuss anything as long as it does not violate XDA RULES
The thread was made to keep the section clean of off topic threads and have fun!
Let's start!
Hey all, what are you all doing? Excited about Xperia Z?
Yes very preordered and scanning the web for news
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
So my current device now is the wildfire buzz from htc ... I was going to sell it but after installing (cm9) on it I had second thoughts (thanks to xda-developers )
any way that's not my question ... my question is ( I want to get another mobile and I want it to be one of a kind so I was thinking to get the new iPhone 5 and I was very convinced .. until I saw that magnificent device the Xperia Z and now I'm puzzled .. what should I do ... go with this magnificent android device or try the IOS device that have a lot of people using it right now and saying that it will last for a long time with no problems)
So the bottom line is ... what's your professional opinion about this problem???
sorry for the long replay :fingers-crossed:
AW: [OFF-TOPIC] Let's Have Some FUN!!! | ALL Off-Topics Only HERE!
hunt7000 said:
I want to get another mobile and I want it to be one of a kind so I was thinking to get the new iPhone 5 and I was very convinced .. until I saw that magnificent device the Xperia Z and now I'm puzzled .. what should I do ... go with this magnificent android device or try the IOS device that have a lot of people using it right now and saying that it will last for a long time with no problems:fingers-crossed:
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Well the Xperia Z and The iPhone 5 are very different in many ways but the biggest is clearly the OS... Android vs iOS. Well in my opinion Android is the better one but that is my opinion... Everyone has its own taste in smartphones so go to the next shop and test some of the newest android devices and then the iPhone 5, watch some comparison videos, read some articles about it, etc.
On the hardware side there are some big differences aswell:
Snapdragon S4 Pro Quad-Core chip for the Xperia Z and Apples A6 Dual-Core Chip for the iPhone
1Gb Ram iPhone vs 2Gb Xperia Z
4" Retina Display with 326ppi on the iPhone vs 5" Full HD 420ppi Xperia Z
Both are pretty awesome devices... So either way you go, you can't go wrong
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hunt7000 said:
So my current device now is the wildfire buzz from htc ... I was going to sell it but after installing (cm9) on it I had second thoughts (thanks to xda-developers )
any way that's not my question ... my question is ( I want to get another mobile and I want it to be one of a kind so I was thinking to get the new iPhone 5 and I was very convinced .. until I saw that magnificent device the Xperia Z and now I'm puzzled .. what should I do ... go with this magnificent android device or try the IOS device that have a lot of people using it right now and saying that it will last for a long time with no problems)
So the bottom line is ... what's your professional opinion about this problem???
sorry for the long replay :fingers-crossed:
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In my opinion, iPhone was the best in like 2 years ago. After I do root, ul boot loader, install ROMs and port ROMs etc... I will never leave my android... it is up to you whether to choose what but I suggest Xperia Z.
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It is a great idea of making an Off Topic thread so Moderaters does not need to delete again and again... And will keep the forum clean .
Hello everyone,
the moderating team assigned to your forum has decided to no longer allow any offtopic threads whether those were previously sanctioned by moderators or not.
We have come to this decision due to the fact that those threads offer absolutely nothing to the device specific forum or to development in general.
After all the name of the site is xda-developers.
If you feel the urge to engage in any offtopic discussion, the offtopic forum is always at your disposal.
As such, this thread is now closed.
Please understand that this decision was made only to streamline the forums and to enhance the user experience.
Thanks for your understanding and cooperation,
Tom
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