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Where is Flash 10.1

Ok so now that I've gotten your attention with the o' so "loud and in your face" title of this post, on to the main point. I'm REALLY dissapointed that samsung hasn't stepped up to the plate and included flash with the latest update, leaked or not, 2.1 or not. I'm tired of having to use that piece o' crap skyfire broweser that only works half the time on certain sites, and that's if I lucky. It seems to me that this phone may be destined for the veritable technological garbage dump that so many other phones have been. Samsung has yet to deliver on ANY of the promised fixes, including froyo, although maybe this leaked version of the update isn't the final one, and I'm starting to doubt if we'll EVER see froyo. Is anyone else as pissed off as me? All I know is I'm gonna boot my vibrant for a n1 if something doesn't happen soon. Sorry to any mods or users for the incoherent rant and/or cursing in the aforementioned post, I'm just venting.

Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh. Waaaaaaaaaaah

volkl23 said:
Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh. Waaaaaaaaaaah
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waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh indeed.

They just launched the Fascinate, and now they have their phone on all carriers. Sure, it would have been great to have Froyo by now, or launch the Fascinate with Froyo, but I don't think they'd want to fragment their US Galaxy S so much. I'm sure it will come, especially now that all the phones are out. I have a feeling they are going to develop Froyo for all the Galaxy's at the same time. Whether the carriers decide to push out Froyo as soon as it's ready is another question.

idiosyncrisia said:
They just launched the Fascinate, and now they have their phone on all carriers. Sure, it would have been great to have Froyo by now, or launch the Fascinate with Froyo, but I don't think they'd want to fragment their US Galaxy S so much. I'm sure it will come, especially now that all the phones are out. I have a feeling they are going to develop Froyo for all the Galaxy's at the same time. Whether the carriers decide to push out Froyo as soon as it's ready is another question.
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I suppose ur right, and releasing froyo for all the galaxy s phones at the same time would make sense. Now I suppose the real question is, which is closer, cyanogenmod or an official froyo update from sammy?

Seriously I can understand peoples frustrations but venting on the forum isn't going to change a thing. The OTA for Froyo is speculated to be released in September and its still September isn't it? On that note it's only speculated not confirmed. People are in fact working on getting 2.2 to our phones not just Samsung, all I can say is be patient. If you don't want to be patient then shut up and get a G2 when its released if we don't have Froyo by then.

Genesis1791 said:
Seriously I can understand peoples frustrations but venting on the forum isn't going to change a thing. The OTA for Froyo is speculated to be released in September and its still September isn't it? On that note it's only speculated not confirmed. People are in fact working on getting 2.2 to our phones not just Samsung, all I can say is be patient. If you don't want to be patient then shut up and get a G2 when its released if we don't have Froyo by then.
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point taken.

I feel you, but the the vibrant has to many pros to just give up on it right now its still early.... Its truly a powerfull device everytime I show a iphone fan boy this phone they give it props they cant hate on it
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1)Adobe has limited flash 10.1 to Android 2.2 phones only.
2)The Galaxy S line doesn't have Froyo yet.
3)You're an idiot.

i couldn't imagine frequenting enough flash sites on my laptop/desktop to make me want flash this badly on my mobile device...

Well I kinda understand the frustration in the OP as flash support means a lot more on the web. I miss watching news clips on CNN website and shows on Hulu on the gorgeous Vibrant screen. But I have no doubt about Samsung's commitment to Galaxy S especially after reading the results of leaked firmware. Instead of losing patience and shouting in forum I would wait for Sammy to roll out a stable Froyo update on this fantastic phone and then enjoy all the goodies. I am sure nobody still has question on whether Vibrant will get Froyo or not after seeing all those videos of european version running froyo. It may be September or October, but I can wait.

rakeshchn said:
Well I kinda understand the frustration in the OP as flash support means a lot more on the web. I miss watching news clips on CNN website and shows on Hulu on the gorgeous Vibrant screen. But I have no doubt about Samsung's commitment to Galaxy S especially after reading the results of leaked firmware. Instead of losing patience and shouting in forum I would wait for Sammy to roll out a stable Froyo update on this fantastic phone and then enjoy all the goodies. I am sure nobody still has question on whether Vibrant will get Froyo or not after seeing all those videos of european version running froyo. It may be September or October, but I can wait.
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yeah, i'll admit to being impatient, just one of my quirks i guess But yeah, flash means A LOT to me, and so would netflix as a matter of fact, but I digress. Anyway, I'll give it another month and see what happens, thank god I didn't buy my phone with a contract, even more plus all the way hehe.

bobofosho123 said:
I'll give it another month and see what happens.
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Dont worry my friend....i have a good feeling that we wont be disapponted.

Flash does make the experience a whole heck of a lot better ..

bobofosho123 said:
Ok so now that I've gotten your attention with the o' so "loud and in your face" title of this post, on to the main point. I'm REALLY dissapointed that samsung hasn't stepped up to the plate and included flash with the latest update, leaked or not, 2.1 or not. I'm tired of having to use that piece o' crap skyfire broweser that only works half the time on certain sites, and that's if I lucky. It seems to me that this phone may be destined for the veritable technological garbage dump that so many other phones have been. Samsung has yet to deliver on ANY of the promised fixes, including froyo, although maybe this leaked version of the update isn't the final one, and I'm starting to doubt if we'll EVER see froyo. Is anyone else as pissed off as me? All I know is I'm gonna boot my vibrant for a n1 if something doesn't happen soon. Sorry to any mods or users for the incoherent rant and/or cursing in the aforementioned post, I'm just venting.
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you sound like smashpunks. chill out

It hurts so much since the phone is so powerful, but it's like Samsung doesn't want to give it the one thing it truly needs to dominate the rest of the pack. I'm tired of seeing the Nexus 1 on the top of every benchmark when we all know the hummingbirds will eat those snapdragons for breakfast.
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qreffie said:
It hurts so much since the phone is so powerful, but it's like Samsung doesn't want to give it the one thing it truly needs to dominate the rest of the pack. I'm tired of seeing the Nexus 1 on the top of every benchmark when we all know the hummingbirds will eat those snapdragons for breakfast.
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mrbradeli said:
This image disagrees with you.
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Not to be an ass but, why don't you use the advanced version so we can see the CPU gain and not just the lagfix gain. The lagfix makes some things faster and other things slower...the original lagfix that is. I haven't used the voodoo one, so I can't comment on it. I know there is a CPU gain on yours as the most I've seen just with lagfix is in the 2200's. So I assume you have a different rom and/or OC'ing.

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Not necessarily. Your custom rom is on top, but a stock Galaxy S is still below a Nexus 1 running froyo. If we want to throw mods in the game, a custom N1 or Droid 2 may beat yours because they have froyo and you don't.
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raduque said:
1)Adobe has limited flash 10.1 to Android 2.2 phones only.
2)The Galaxy S line doesn't have Froyo yet.
3)You're an idiot.
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1. if you're on this forum, you should know, you can use flash 10.1 on android 2.1 phones, just limited to HTC ones
2. the galaxy s line does have hacked froyo on it, just look through the forums
3. idc about this comment
anyway, we'll get froyo soon enough, look at the evidence, it's been confirmed already, maybe not for a specific one in a specific country, but hey, once one country is out, others follow quick, besides, the galaxy tab, which is basically the same hardware as the galaxy s, runs froyo, it's probably the bug fixes thats taking them a while, be patient and you'll get it
edit: forgot to add, you can use skyfire, you got a galaxy s, skyfire will not lag at all, its a browser that has full flash capabilities, and actually the video button thing is better than having youtube playing a video straight out, at least you can control it that way, but yea, skyfire, look in tha market

When do you expect Froyo for Epic will be released?

Let's poll!

acegolfer said:
Let's poll!
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January!
We are talking about sprint and samsung here. Tha'ts like a double whammy!

If its not out by end of this month, my epic is going to be sold on craigslist, or ill ***** at sprint until they call the cops or switch the phone out. Samsung is really getting on my last nerve. I don't give a **** if its the fastest phone out if it doesn't have the os that is about to be old again in a month. Its like running windows xp on a bad ass computer when windows 7 is out, but you can't get the update, no direct x 10 for you.
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I have been hearing about this, but what makes this so great?

lol ive been through this before with sprint..took forever to release the 2.1 update for the hero..by the time the epic gets froyo the next version will probably be out..that really sucks to have such a high end device and always be one and two steps behind the lead os version

IN general no matter what OEM, it will take forever to get the update. Kind of the crappy thing about Android phones with so many consecutive releases. Google said they would slow down after this next release....

Kcarpenter said:
IN general no matter what OEM, it will take forever to get the update. Kind of the crappy thing about Android phones with so many consecutive releases. Google said they would slow down after this next release....
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They better, this is getting out of hand.

I just wish Sprint/Verizon/etc all just used a standardized Android, that way Google could roll out updates like any other Linux distribution. But NO, that'd be WAY too easy, it'd put tons of programmers out of a job because of how simple it would be.

Its all google fault for being too fast trying to achieve the best OS in the world.
Shame on you google!!
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Honestly i dont really care, it will come when it comes. Im not really in need of it anyway i mean then ill have to wait for a new root for 2.2 and all my mods being able to work on 2.2 especially mobile ap. I mean all froyo is giving us is apps2sd and flash and i hardly use my phone for flash and apps2sd will be nice but not like im running out of room.
But i say late November.

mynewepic10 said:
I have been hearing about this, but what makes this so great?
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Maybe people missed this.

Soon™
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I wouldn't expect it until December 1st at the earliest.
The November 11th is just the date it'll get released to carriers from Samsung.
Sprint still has to add their software, gimp it up, add a few bugs, and test it for weeks.
I like the Epic, but the 2.2 delay is a bit irritating.

Why is this so great?

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Why is this so great?
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Reasons:
1. Android Market Applications - As applications begin to adopt 2.2-only features, and Devs don't support 2.1, applications won't show up on Epics anymore. The reason Android fragmentation is dreaded.
2. Apps2SD - The Epic only has 512Mb of app storage. My phone is getting full....
3. ROM ports - Most ROMs are developed on 2.2 in other platforms. With a 2.2-supported kernel, ROM ports from other phones will be easier to create (as well as CM ROM, since CM is 2.2).
4. Adobe Flash support.
5. YouTube HD (2.2 only)
6. Dalvik JIT Compiler (speeds up applications _a lot_... this probably belongs at #1). We had 2.2 on the HTC Touch xv6900 since about June, huge performance boost.

So far this poll has a very small sample return. Nevertheless it is disconcerting to see that, as of this writing, well over 50 percent think Froyo will be deployed on the Epic in November.
This is amazing, since Samsung has only promised that Froyo would come to U.S. Galaxy S variants in general sometime before the end of the year, and Sprint has made no more optimistic a prediction.
If this poll shows anything, it is that many or most readers here are setting themselves up for a bitter disappointment. Expect a lot of rants around Nov. 30, when we probably will still be waiting.

We will get it when other phones start getting 2.3

Froyo's going to slow the browser down, just wait!
On the other hand, I am looking forward to some of the other features it brings... but it's really not going to make that much difference in the performance of the device. It'll get here eventually. Just because it's taking a while is not an excuse to sell your phone.

Meh. I can wait.
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I have the YouTube from Froyo.. came with mah ROM. :shrug:
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Not another Froyo Post..

This isn't a rant or anything, or I won't try to make it one. But I just came across on Android Central that the Droid is getting 2.2.1.
Now this is just so depressing already that we have a phone that's been out for about 5 months now and haven't seen Froyo (only in Unoffical leaked builds). The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
I'm just saying, this just makes Samsung look that much worse.
http://www.androidcentral.com/leaked-android-221-motorola-droid-frg83

so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.

The leaked FroYo build is knocking my socks off...
Just sayin'

s15274n said:
so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.
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I didn't mean to bash or knock it. There's nothing wrong with the builds, it'd be nice to have an official build though I guess..

Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..

s15274n said:
Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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K, I'm done.

presence06 said:
The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
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There's really no debate that Samsung is WAY behind here. Yes. the Droid has been out way longer, but the Incredible and Droid X haven't and they've gotten Froyo a long time ago. Incredible got it around 8/30 and X around 9/21.
Assuming that Samsung does get it out this year, that puts them anywhere from 2-4 months behind the competition, depending on when they do finally release it.
That's really bad. Sure they didn't promise 2.2 at any particular time, but that doesn't mean I don't factor it in when making my next phone purchase. I hope everyone does. If not, it'll give the manufactures even more reason to withhold updates in the future and try to push new phones instead.

Just heard from Cyanogen's twitter that CM6 is finished for the G2. I'm sure the new my touch isn't far behind.
Depressing
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s15274n said:
Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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Yeah, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that the Droid already HAS an official Froyo, and the leaked build is a second generation update.
The Vibrant does NOT have an official build, and the way it's going, the Droid X may have Gingerbread before we get an official Froyo build.
How can you even begin to defend Samsung?

Yes, it is "just" another Froyo post. +1 Ignore!
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Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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Kubernetes said:
Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.

MacGuy2006 said:
LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.
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Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.

Only thing wrong with these threads is they are always full of hearsay. Rarely anyone states fact, just opinion. Who says sammy is holding it back? The leak came from tmo right? this pessimistic view is what makes ppl always have that "omg I have froyo & I hate it, its not perfect.... I want gingerbread" mentality. Life lesson, you'll never be happy with this attitude.
I, myself, try to look at the recent events of the "rumoured nexus s" that engadget posted pics. If this does happen to grace the GS community think of how fast, far, & easily we may make it to 2.3! Im no tech & I may be way off, but id like to think that this would give us the OPEN "NEXUS" development base we'd need to achieve that level of vanilla android base w/ drivers, code & hopefully working gps ;j (minus the new chipset, obviously).
Just be glad that we do have devs who do what they can & hope that sammy doesn't do anything else to screw us. I will be hoping (but not holding my breathe) for a nexus $ gingerbread port.

DKYang said:
Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Exactly. Remember that Froyo was actually built for the Snapdragon, whereas most of the GS hardware is unlike that seen in other previous phones.
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If theres a leaked froyo it means Samsung has fine their part. Its up to tmo to push it out.
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DKYang said:
Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Tempestrs4 said:
Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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How come none of the people that rant about not having an official Froyo release remember that 1. we have they best hardware of any phone out, I can't recall how many times I've heard owners of other phones complain that they've run out of room for their apps because they only have 2gb internal storage, and 2. this site is XDA Developers not XDA stock software release news. If you want to rant about the official release go over to the T-Mobile or Samsung forums and do it.
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12paq said:
Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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The devs have no choice but to share. Voiding warranties is uncool for many of us.
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Why couldn't Samsung do this for us?

They can do it for Gingerbread
http://www.devicemag.com/2011/04/09...owners-to-test-froyo-update-prior-to-release/

Don't hold your breath.
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Because it's Samsung ... enough said ...

It could happen if they actually foster that XDA relationship they kept mentioning. #SamsungJohn?
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The Root said:
It could happen if they actually foster that XDA relationship they kept mentioning. #SamsungJohn?
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I repeat, don't hold your breath.
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For all of its greatness, our phone is getting long in the tooth. personally, don't really expect Samsung to support our phone much into the future

Epic... the bastard king.... just dont buy another one of their phones unless they have the OS you expect on it and stable. Im just happy XDA is here to save their asses for those lucky enough to look for it on this one...

I think Samsung is just about done with this phone. They gotta worry about the GSII NOW
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Problem is Sprint wont get the GS2 for awhile if ever.
Force

They did.
DJ29
DK17
DK28
Anyone doubt these got out on purpose?

The galaxy s 2 is nothing. Another touch screen android phone. So what? There's litteraly thousands of those.
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You got a point there.
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Kitteh298 said:
The galaxy s 2 is nothing. Another touch screen android phone. So what? There's litteraly thousands of those.
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Either you're incredibly stupid, or a troll.
In the event that you're just stupid here's the difference:
Dual core version on our processor
Super AMOLED plus (no pentile matrix ruining the screen)
Larger screen
Thinnest Phone in the world (subject to change any day, but still pretty damn thin)
HDMI out through usb
And more.

they did do this just not as public. i got eb13 the day it was pushed OTA but then they discontinued rollouts due to problems. its gonna be awhile before they come out with another good android phone with a keyboard IMO. i refuse to go HTC just because theyre starting to lock down their phones more and more as new models come out. no bueno. i just hope when the nexus s comes out for sprint there will be a quick port for us epic users. i dont plan on getting a new phone for a while. epic does everything i need it to do and some. and for those who complain about the dropped keys, IMPALER has a flashable zip on the development section which IMO completely irradicates the dropped keys issue. i text just as fast as i can type on a CPU and have had not 1 dropped key since.

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In your opinion as a dev, has Samsung's support of the Dev community gotten better in the past 2 months, and if so, do you think it will continue to improve, or fall back?
Thanks!

Pyperkub said:
In your opinion as a dev, has Samsung's support of the Dev community gotten better in the past 2 months, and if so, do you think it will continue to improve, or fall back?
Thanks!
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Personally I felt like Eb13 rocked. It was nice to have an official 2.2 even if it was a bit late. I believe they will release GB and as long as it doesn't have any major bugs that will be the end of official development for the Epic. If they do release Gingerbread in a reasonable time frame, my next phone will be a Galaxy S II. If not then I will be looking for an HTC or a Motorola. My next phone must have an unlocked bootloader or I will not buy.
To answer your question, yes I believe hit has gotten better but by how much I am not so sure.

There's a difference between a locked bootloader and an encrypted bootloader.
HTC's phones have ALWAYS been NAND locked, once NAND was unlocked root was achieved. Moto is encrypting their bootloaders, they can't be unlocked without the encryption code.

+1
I think the problem is with Sprint, not with Samsung!

I'm throwing out a theory here. I think the froyo disaster is heavily based on the fact that the Galaxy Series would be best served with Gingerbread, but as of release they couldn't be equipped with Gingerbread. They had Eclair solid at release date and decided to do so uniformly. They also had froyo code, but it's optimized for the HTC hardware it was designed on. The conversion to froyo was bigger than expected and involved moving and/or firing devs that couldn't deal with the change. Frantic motions are made across all Galaxy phones to get froyo out. Now Gingerbread development can be resumed, thus resumed silence. I really think it might be a combo of bad timing on release date and an inability to realize what that would mean in the market. I think Samsung is learning lessons more publicly than other companies are having to. I see people complain about problems with prior Moto and HTC updates, so I know Samsung is not alone in having issues.
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Would a Hercules sgs2 become like Vibrant? Unsupported or updated..?

Okay, others have asked prime or hercules, and my real question that would determine which I choose.. our vibrants had REAL potential. No less than the new phone should have, just lesser hardware. All of the sgs1 us versions seem to have no support or updates except what you find on here(after a few months).
Will the hercules have the same fate? Is there any reason to believe they won't do the same thing again? I don't want to spend another 500+ on a device they forget about a few months after they release it. Would you take the chance seeing their track record with our phone and variants?
The most odd thing is that the international versions seem to be better supported(the i9100 more than i9000), so is the problem that they don't want to waste their resources keeping 4 different models of the phone updated in the US? And could they possibly keep the hardware on the us variants close enough spec wise that they could work on an upgrade for all versions, and just tweak each for specific devices?
I know there are no solid answers out there, but I am more wondering what the community here thinks.

Most likely not this happened do to the SGS4G came out if something similar happens again but you know that is why there is xda an the cyanogen team so don't worry
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Not sure what the guy above wrote, but yes it will happen again. I dont think its sammys fault completly. More so the US carriers. My next phone will either be a nexus/htc/motoroogle.
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Yes it will most likely happen again. It's the carrier's business model. They want you to shell out the money to buy the newer phone so they only support the older model for so long. Get a Nexus phone if you want updates faster.

From what I have read this far the sg2 will be replaced by the sg2 plus to match the nexus prime's screen resolution. Because of that fact I will not buy sg2 as well the nexus phone will be the last sammy phone because google just acquired motorola. So the next google phone will be a motorola.
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jneal9 said:
Yes it will most likely happen again. It's the carrier's business model. They want you to shell out the money to buy the newer phone so they only support the older model for so long. Get a Nexus phone if you want updates faster.
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Well the nexus got updates quicker and I constantly see(via news readers) most phones getting updates regardless of carrier.
What the jasonhunterx said(that I could understand) about having xda or cyanogen is opposite of ideal.. where would our devices be if we got a source from Samsung for gingerbread? Miles ahead, everything working, less headaches for developers and users..
But I don't see this as something the carrier is responsible for unless the manufacturer made an agreement with them, which would border on crooked.
I would have bought the sgs2 if it wasn't with att bands.. and there's no promise that the prime will be offeres as a T-Mobile phone.
If the prime doesn't hit T-Mobile and the Hercules is doomed to make the same mistakes, what phone would you get to stay with tmo? Is there an international phone that has the right bands and can compare to sgs2, Hercules, or prime?
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Yes it WILL happen. The right thing to do is just buy a nexus phone.
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Yes it WILL happen. The right thing to do is just buy a nexus phone.
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And if Samsung makes the prime? Or if tmo doesn't get the prime? That is the question.
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I believe that the Hercules will have much better support. In my opinion, just like the second poster said, they stopped supporting the vibrant because tmo launched its new "4g" service not too long after the vibrant dropped. So unless 5g comes out a week after the Hercules, I don't think we should have anything to worry about. I hope.......
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Of course its going to happen.
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Here is a position I just don't understand. I won't call it whining. Lets say the constant negative portrayal of the Galaxy S line, Samsung, and every other phone manufacturer at one time or another as not supporting or updating their software often enough.
If you look at it objectively, does the Vibrant really need an update? It came out with Eclair. Then came the upgrade to Froyo, which raised Quadrant scores (if you care about that sort of thing) four fold. Finally, the incremental upgrades through Froyo from J all the way to KB5. KB5 is rock-solid stable and fast in its stock form, and even better when customized.
So why all the complaining? The phone is fast and stable. I don't hear anyone complaining about Team Whiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 even though they haven't updated it in many months. Why? Because it's fine as is. So, in my opinion, is the Vibrant.

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Here is a position I just don't understand. I won't call it whining. Lets say the constant negative portrayal of the Galaxy S line, Samsung, and every other phone manufacturer at one time or another as not supporting or updating their software often enough.
If you look at it objectively, does the Vibrant really need an update? It came out with Eclair. Then came the upgrade to Froyo, which raised Quadrant scores (if you care about that sort of thing) four fold. Finally, the incremental upgrades through Froyo from J all the way to KB5. KB5 is rock-solid stable and fast in its stock form, and even better when customized.
So why all the complaining? The phone is fast and stable. I don't hear anyone complaining about Team Whiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 even though they haven't updated it in many months. Why? Because it's fine as is. So, in my opinion, is the Vibrant.
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Yes 2.2 for vibrant is stable but there are some Apps that can only be use when you're using gingerbread.
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Yes 2.2 for vibrant is stable but there are some Apps that can only be use when you're using gingerbread.
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There's like 2 of those
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Here is a position I just don't understand. I won't call it whining. Lets say the constant negative portrayal of the Galaxy S line, Samsung, and every other phone manufacturer at one time or another as not supporting or updating their software often enough.
If you look at it objectively, does the Vibrant really need an update? It came out with Eclair. Then came the upgrade to Froyo, which raised Quadrant scores (if you care about that sort of thing) four fold. Finally, the incremental upgrades through Froyo from J all the way to KB5. KB5 is rock-solid stable and fast in its stock form, and even better when customized.
So why all the complaining? The phone is fast and stable. I don't hear anyone complaining about Team Whiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 even though they haven't updated it in many months. Why? Because it's fine as is. So, in my opinion, is the Vibrant.
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There are phones running 1.5 stable, but that isn't a reason it shouldn't be upgraded to whatever it can run. Take the Motorola droid. I have no idea what they updated to, but the og droid has run cyanogen stable far before our vibrant could run it at all. It is a solid phone, and wasn't "discarded" by the manufacturer soon after the release. They did a good job I heard.
The sgs1 branded phone is capable of more than the current generation of android. The iphone, with all the things I don't like about the way they do their phones, supports multiple generations of their products for multiple years. Our phones shouldn't be 2 generations of os behind with no real hope of an upgrade within a year of coming out.
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pretty sure yes, so if u want a SGS II get the "international' version
for me NO MORE US VERSION of any Samsung phone

I think the Hercules will be the lower of the other sgs2 variants nothing will be easy just as the vibrant was full of great dev but nothing to work with but the same stuff. GB has came a long way we thought that was going to be a easy port, lol I really hope they at least get the gps right on the sgs2 this run. End of rant ;-)
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I say look at track record.
Behold->Vibrant-> hercules. It just goes to show, if you want something done, you just have to do it yourself. I mean really, I just rooted lg vortex, from two years ago that had 2.2.2
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adamcooks said:
I say look at track record.
Behold->Vibrant-> hercules. It just goes to show, if you want something done, you just have to do it yourself. I mean really, I just rooted lg vortex, from two years ago that had 2.2.2
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2nd this. Same ol from Samsung/T-Mobile. Going HTC prime or iphone next round.

Yes i am quite sure that these phones will not get the support that the unbranded version will get...
A company like Apple has a tough time supporting a couple of devices then just imagine how difficult it is for samsung to provide great support for the 50-60 phones it dishes out every year

No support for Hercules. It's Vibrant/Galaxy S 1 all over again. Each of the carriers releasing a different variant of a phone that was released months ago in Europe. You'd be crazy to buy a Hercules or other SGS2 phone. Just what was the reason for the delay? Carrier customizations, more than likely. And the fact that it took them so long to release the US variants does not speak well for future updates.