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Porting Sense to Vibrant?

Is this possible?

As of right now I think the development are worrying about getting a recovery on our phones and we need the recovery to flash roms unless there's another way...

Not only that but sense is a cpu hog. Such a horrible UI.

CM6 is all I care about getting on here. FB/Twitter integration all exists in 2.1, Sense adds little other than pretty looking widgets.

Isn't cm6 2.2??
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robavila721 said:
Isn't cm6 2.2??
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Yes, I was just referring to the fact that we havent needed Sense UI for anything but pretty widgets since Android SDK 2.1

Why would you want Sense over TouchWiz? If you we're looking for pretty there are lots of HTC Sense packing HTC phones on the market. The myTouch Slide is kind of running an ugly version of Sense but it still is Sense.

One more thing to consider, also. You won't find any reputable developer such as Cyanogen putting sense in their roms because of legality issues. So, if you do happen to come across a rom for this phone running sense, chances are its going to be pretty bunk.

Sense has some very appealing factors, such as the hibernate support and of course, the cosmetics of it
In addition, the new version of HTC sense is supposed to have a lot of optimizations meaning it will be faster than before.
At the very least, is it possible for a dev to port the algorithms used for hibernate to the Vibrant?

Use this. its not sense but its a launcher close to it. has 3d drawer and everything.

sombionix said:
One more thing to consider, also. You won't find any reputable developer such as Cyanogen putting sense in their roms because of legality issues. So, if you do happen to come across a rom for this phone running sense, chances are its going to be pretty bunk.
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but there are many more reputable developers then CM

kingkurry said:
Is this possible?
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Possible? perhaps...
Desireable? perhaps not...
Likely? Given the legal issues involved? not very...

I am also interested in this.. But to be honest if it where to happen, it won't happen until the developers get the source code for 2.2 and haber time to play with it.
So, if we are lucky and someone does decide to work on this.. knowing the possible legal issues. It would take a few weeks (after official 2.2) to get it done.
But I have no doubt in my mind that it would work in our phones.
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KingKlik(sp?) made a lot of sense roms for the MT3G and a lot of people seemed to like them. I just think Sense looks terrible, compared to any UI on any new age smartphone I have seen(except maybe Windows Mobile). I'm mainly talking about the launcher tough, the part that people for some reason like to throw on their phone even if they don't have sense.

Poll: CM6 or future 2.2 sense

Like many other peoples i started with stock(duh) moved to liberated and then to CM6. But today i did some researching and the new sense is pretty cool, hopefully will be added to liberated 2.2. My question is, will you guys be moving back to sense 2.2(hopefully with new sense) or staying with CM6?

I'll probably try Froyo Sense when it gets put in Liberated, but I'll probably stick with CM6 unless I'm completely blown away. I do miss parts of Sense though.

Yes. I know that people are quick to dismiss Sense but I like it a lot, especially after using Motorola phones, that are garbage.
I have used every ROM available for this phone and Froyo with HTC Sense would be perfect for me.
I keep going back and forth between CM6 and a ROM that I tinkered with that is like a hybrid. I really hope they have an official update soon or a ROM that combines everything.
Is that asking for too much?

maevro said:
Yes. I know that people are quick to dismiss Sense but I like it a lot, especially after using Motorola phones, that are garbage.
I have used every ROM available for this phone and Froyo with HTC Sense would be perfect for me.
I keep going back and forth between CM6 and a ROM that I tinkered with that is like a hybrid. I really hope they have an official update soon or a ROM that combines everything.
Is that asking for too much?
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Ditto.
Now to wait and see.
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I want froyo sense mmmmmm.

As long as CM upgrades to using the new kernel thats supposed to be released with Froyo I'll stay loyal to CM.

I'd rather have sense -

For me it will depend on if they add in extra features into the Sense that aren't likely to be added into CM.

CM has been a blessing for this little Aria phone, but I do miss Sense UI.

Does this mean htc's 2.2 for aria is around the corner?:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-Bee-En-Route-to-Verizon-Leaked-ROM-Emerges-160263.shtml

If given a choice, I'd definitely prefer 2.2 Sense!

I'd go with Sense as I like the UI and many of its widgets.

I enjoy some elements of Sense, as they're very carefully designed and work effectively. Conversely, I will only install a ROM if it's as open and customizable as CM6. Android is supposed to be about a more open system and I don't understand why these companies can't understand the needs of power users.

Sense 2.2
I hate to admit it but I miss the pretty. I also carry the iEvil and it's tough to pull out CM6 and not winch a little. For all the UI haters, there is a good reason big companies spend tons of money on the user experience. Functionality can be enhanced with a great UI.

BelacNongaw said:
Does this mean htc's 2.2 for aria is around the corner?:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-Bee-En-Route-to-Verizon-Leaked-ROM-Emerges-160263.shtml
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*crosses fingers*

According to the specs I saw the HTC Bee has a different (inferior) CPU.

There should be enough guts in that ROM to strip out the hardware specific bits and put in Aria ones.
Attn1 -- looked at that yet? Prognosis?

How come non android native (IE:Hd2 ect ) can get froyo sense and we can't ? Not *****in because I can't make it , but someone can . Maybe a good write up on how to build a rom is in order .

I tried and liked the CM6 mod and everything that went with it, but as I dont have an iPod or anything, not having the radio to listen to is a dealbreaker for me.

Sengfeng said:
There should be enough guts in that ROM to strip out the hardware specific bits and put in Aria ones.
Attn1 -- looked at that yet? Prognosis?
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I was posting that as a possible indication ours is soon to follow. That rom is for a CDMA phone...which means we can probably forget about porting that to the aria.

[Q] REQ: Vanilla, just plain old Android, nothing else

Any chance of a vanilla rom?, no Samsung software, no themes, just plain old regular Google Android?. I dont care if its 2.1 or 2.2, I had a very nice vanilla rom on my Droid X, and I miss that. As it is I hate this phone intensely due to the lack of finding a Vanilla rom.
Does vanilla exist?

no the rom is not functional yet, but why don't you just apply the aosp theme

Super Clean, adw, asop theme. About as close as you'll get at the moment. It works well and looks stock.
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Jt's super clean and aosp theme by retro kid is what I use.

The feeling I've gotten is that it takes a ton of work to make AOSP (vanilla) run on this device, making sure drivers work etc. There's not a whole lot of reason for them to make all that effort when 2.2 is around the corner. Once 2.2 and its source are released I think we will see an AOSP rom, but not likely before. As the others suggest try a rom like blackhole and go with an aosp like theme.

Actually, there are a lot of really cool functions that you lose if everything was aosp

Should not be in the development forum.
As far as vanilla android, its being worked on but right now there are no developments. Samsung hacked together the RIL used to communicate with the cell radio from a 1.5 device to work with our device, not easy to work with

If the new update is not out, well the sad truth is we will not see 2.2 for a long time. Ive swapped my phone out so many times Verizon has given me the choice of choosing a different phone.
I might have to move on myself...ive given android enough time to tickle my fancy. And im just sad the developers just dont want to make decent apps. Its so weird that a phone with such great specs as the galaxy s just isnt supported by devs, the carriers or even samsung. There has to be much more of a problem with the phone than we actually know about.

It is supported by developers. Very much so. However they cannot work with the garbage code,and this 1.5 ril bull****.
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Edit: noticeit says sent from my ADR6300? Tired of waiting.

I wasnt really talkin about the Hacking Community Devs. I meant Market Devs, carriers and manufacturers. Hacking community can only do so much!
BTW off topic did anyone see how Microsoft is workign together with HACKING DEVS? Smart move , good for them.

Did you see that the big hack was for a whopping custom ringtone? Damn. Go Microsoft. Hack in a song that plays when someone called. I've only had that functionality for the past 5+ years.
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The windows phone 7 unlocker was pulled because Microsoft is supposedly going to and the option of enabling homebrew on windows phones. Supposedly of course.
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times_infinity said:
The windows phone 7 unlocker was pulled because Microsoft is supposedly going to and the option of enabling homebrew on windows phones. Supposedly of course.
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Far from. Microsoft is in no way supporting hackers they just aren't taking an Apple stand against it. Go google the article they basically tell you if you mess up your device you're on your own. Same story different wording. Microsoft will never enable homebrew. Think about their history.

Actually they jailbroke wp7 then microsoft got together to work with them on opening restrictions.... very cool move!!!
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BTW if you use custom roms and root your android phone.........your on your own also!!! Warrenty is dead!!
Noone gives you warrenty when you alter the software. NOONE! But i think its a great move by microsoft.
I personally have alot of respect for microsoft. I think that windows phone 7 is a great product.
BTW we are way off topic haha.

Best Sense Rom?

I really like CM7, but I would like a good Rom that has SenseUI. anyone know of one? i'd like it to be stable and most stuff working.

Orange Sense. HTC Sense, very fast and stable. Available in the development forum.

I have a question...pardon my ignorance on the matter...
What exactly are "earmarks" of a senseUI? I used my stock glacier rom until only last week, and now am using CM7/RC4, and I fail to see the UI differences. This surprised me because I see people have some pretty strong feelings for or against senseUI compared to Android stock UI.
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they are two different rom types, the sense framework takes up more space, but it is really fancy with the clock that's the only reason i want it.

You want the old fashioned 1980s flip clock that you see in most of the Mytouch 4G print ads? I didn't even realize that was now not an option...
I cannot imagine you can't use it though. Just review all the different home launchers... There had got to be one that will let you use this clock.
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syntropic said:
I have a question...pardon my ignorance on the matter...
What exactly are "earmarks" of a senseUI? I used my stock glacier rom until only last week, and now am using CM7/RC4, and I fail to see the UI differences. This surprised me because I see people have some pretty strong feelings for or against senseUI compared to Android stock UI.
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You don't see the difference between Sense and the standard Android UI?
Also, the stock MT4G ROM is not real Sense. It's a T-Mobile customized version that isn't near as attractive. "Real" Sense is much more attractive.

TeeJay3800 said:
You don't see the difference between Sense and the standard Android UI?
Also, the stock MT4G ROM is not real Sense. It's a T-Mobile customized version that isn't near as attractive. "Real" Sense is much more attractive.
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Not really, and I am usually big on bells and whistles too. I think I may go back to sense (a modded 2.3 rom). Are there any you (or anyone with an opinion) suggest I try out first?
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the modded 2.3 ones aren't stable i don't think, that's why im asking is there one lol. most have issues running somethings like bluetooth or camera.

Evil's 4G-HD Desire HD rom. Pair it with the latest Faux Sense kernel and it will fly! Everything works!

syntropic said:
Not really, and I am usually big on bells and whistles too. I think I may go back to sense (a modded 2.3 rom). Are there any you (or anyone with an opinion) suggest I try out first?
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The two posts above this one pretty much sums it up.
Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 ROMs aren't fully functional or stable yet.
If you want Sense, try eViL's Desire HD port. Link is in my sig.

TeeJay3800 said:
The two posts above this one pretty much sums it up.
Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 ROMs aren't fully functional or stable yet.
If you want Sense, try eViL's Desire HD port. Link is in my sig.
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Great.. will try it out. The only things I have noticed that are different are small niceties, which may have nothing to do with sense and cm7. For example, in the glacier's stock rom, I loved that you could be on the phone and simply set it on a table rear side up, and haptics would turn on the speakerphone. It doesn't sound like much but small things like this add up and overall gave me a better experience.
Can I ask why faux and others at cyanogen are able to create 4 release candidates for their 2.3 rom, yet a stable 2.3 sense rom is still weeks away? Is this because of the morons over at HTC, who don't understand what open source means and won't release their code?
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Can I ask why faux and others at cyanogen are able to create 4 release candidates for their 2.3 rom, yet a stable 2.3 sense rom is still weeks away? Is this because of the morons over at HTC, who don't understand what open source means and won't release their code?
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Pretty much. We'll of course never have the source code to Sense, but a good dump from a similar phone can be ported. The problem is, the only Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 dump we have is from the Incredible S, and despite the similarities in hardware, the kernel isn't directly compatible. It sounds like until we get a better starting point, those ROMs will be buggy and missing features.

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Pretty much. We'll of course never have the source code to Sense, but a good dump from a similar phone can be ported. The problem is, the only Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 dump we have is from the Incredible S, and despite the similarities in hardware, the kernel isn't directly compatible. It sounds like until we get a better starting point, those ROMs will be buggy and missing features.
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By dump do you mean the actual code? And so is motorola (or whoever is behind the incredible...cannot recall at the moment) releasing their code? Because if you are just doing a memory dump and doing some RE to get the actual code, I would ask why that can't be done with the glacier.
And as long you have something a little better than binary, I would think you could get some reasonable starting point from the glacier stock. I am not really skilled in the art as of yet so consider me mostly speaking out of my ass. But I am quite interested. Maybe I will try to get the sense code for you . I mean there has to be a few draft versions in some server not locked up tight.
Oh..and lastly, so evil's rom is a quasi 2.3 (not in substance) with the kernel being 2.2 just tricked out?
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At this point, I don't think I know much more about this than you. I know a dump is much like the ROMs that we flash to our phones...it's the phones entire OS and software package which can then be ported to other phones (assume their of the same manufacturer and are somewhat similar). As you know, the Desire HD is nearly identical to the Glacier (minus the screen) so a dump from it can be easily ported to our phones, and after some "devving", will run perfectly on the MT4G. As far as binaries and code, that's all way beyond me. An actual dev could give you a lot more detailed info.

I asked this earlier and I think it just got lost... but in regard to a sense rom, is evil's rom like a "quasi" 2.3 (has the look but not the substance of gingerbread) with a 2.2.1 kernel that's just tricked out, updated, etc.?
I am not familiar with kernels being separate from the rom. Why is this done? I am sure the install is not too difficult (considering what I have been through with CM7), but is there a guide here,our should I just comb the threads for an installation overview for the sense roms/kernels?
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Edit: I started reading the thread for evil's rom.. and for now, I think I might go back to stock, and upgrade the kernel. (unless there are really no problems worth the Z port, like ffc or wifi issues). So with that said, which kernel is best for the HD sense stock rom (or which stock rom out there has been enhanced the best with everything still functional)? I know there aren't that many different upgraded stock roms/kernels, but of the ones I found, they seem the same.
Sorry to makes this long but I ask this because I see people with just the stock plus an upgraded kernel, but then also, there is the Orange Glacier which is an enhanced stock rom.... Wouldn't those two packages be virtually identical?
Or am I just letting this kernel factor confuse me?
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Forget it.... I just spent 3 hours in the dev threads.... The nomenclature mess was making my eyes bleed... Orange Glacier, Iced Glacier, Royal Ginger, Royal Mint, Royal Jelly, KY Jelly... %^$#^
So... I retract my earlier decision and I am going to stay on the bleeding edge with CM7... F*ck it if I can't do progressive scan video or get reply notifications to MMS messages sent to CDMA networks!!*
*I just made those two things up... It means to say that the bugs that do exist in CM7 are very arcane and minor... But I am an easy sell so tomorrow I will probably want to go back to sense.
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How many roms do we need ?

I am a big fan of flashing my phone every chance i get but lately i found most the roms available are all polluted by sense 3.0. All of them have sense 3.0 lock, weather,task manager and sense 2.1 !!
please dont take me wrong its good to have many roms but there should be some thing unique .All the roms are a subset of either Lee,MDJ or stock kernel ! which only have slight difference between them.
when i started flashin rom's there was either Lee's UV stock rom's, mike's revolution rom give similar to stock experience or core driod which was a fully modded stock rom. there enough difference between all of the to set them apart.
Why not all the dev's who are coming out with so many alike rom's team up and help in getting sense 3.0 properly ported rather then only RCMIX team working on it?
Just my two cents....

What about cyanogen mod...just saying
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Tired of sense rom.. tried miui for a new experience and was quite satisfied with it..
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thanks for your replies guys.
your right CM and MIUI are worthy alternatives which i have tried and found very good.
But what i find annoying is all of the respective dev's concentrating on the same sense 2.1 roms with sense 3.0 stuff on it. I really dont see any difference in any of them. I am now back to using RCMIX 5.9 which is a prefectly good rom with all the sense 3.0 addons released by seo on it !!! the best part of it is i can enjoy excellent speed of 5.9 , with out the glitches of the other sense 3.0 baked in rom's.
Almost tempts me to release this customized 5.9 rom and pollute already polluted pool of rom's !
I am not demanding dev's to work on some thing they don't want to work on, i understand they are contributing there skills at the expense of there valuable time but if only some of them could work on honeycomb port or ubuntu or even xperia rom ports.
PS: I respect all dev's contributing on the forum my thread is no means an hate or a demand thread.
Just my two cents .....

as many as we can get?
I think that's what make Android different. We have the power to do anything with *our* phone. Well, in my case I can just enjoy what the devs cook.
Really appreciate the choices we have, and kudos to all the hardworking devs!

Have you tried HoneySenseHD? Its HTC Sense not as you know it.

Instead of *****ing about it, why not get off yer ass and make one?
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I am thankful to the devs. But if I don't like the direction they go, or the stuff they do I don't use it. I don't whine in the general forum about how I wish... If I am gonna wish, I wish I was the owner of the girls Swedish volleyball team.
Just my two cents.

srikanth.naidu said:
I am not demanding dev's to work on some thing they don't want to work on, i understand they are contributing there skills at the expense of there valuable time but if only some of them could work on honeycomb port or ubuntu or even xperia rom ports.
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I understand what you are saying, but we should be greatful that unlike a lot of phones the DHD has plenty of choices and will most likely be supported by the community until our contracts are due for renewal.
AFAIK an Ubuntu port already exists and I would question the value of a honeycomb port.

OP, I'm hearing you. I am personally also not a fan of Sense 3.0, there just seem to be too many issues and bugs.
But think about it from the cook's POV... Sense 3.0 isn't meant to be properly out and yet they've managed to include it into the ROM of their own making. It's an achievement to be proud of, certainly. But for people like you and I, it just means maybe being a bit more discerning or choosing an older ROM.
Like kedai said, the difference Android has is that we can actually do this, we can change and customise pretty much anything about our phones.

Honeysense HD is the best Rom I have used with Sense 3.0, well most of Sense 3.0. Haven't had any issues.
Plus it looks awesome
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tweaked said:
Instead of *****ing about it, why not get off yer ass and make one?
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I am thankful to the devs. But if I don't like the direction they go, or the stuff they do I don't use it. I don't whine in the general forum about how I wish... If I am gonna wish, I wish I was the owner of the girls Swedish volleyball team.
Just my two cents.
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Its called freedom of speech ! google it.
I am not winning about what i don't like or what i want, i'm not even indicating that dev's are doing some thing wrong which i dont like. I just pointed out how most of the roms now are alike.
Thank's for other's that have replied and shared there view's.

What I don’t understand is how people that just throw things together using existing tools, and not know any type of coding what so ever (or just know high school level visual basic), are allowed to be called DEV's.
Though porting can be a tedious job, there are many many things that go unresolved in existing roms, and updates consist of updated apps, or throwing in updated edits that OTHER people have actually made. EG: most of the sense 3.0 add-ons we see in almost all of the available roms were fixed up by half a dozen people or less (like Seo, Krzysiec, and MDJ to name a few)
Last thing I remember learning in university, in software engineering, was when creating something, make it as close to a final product as possible, then test, edit, retest, edit, release.
If you're editing something, do it right, and finish it before you release, not half ass something and say it’s done.
A thanks goes out to all the REAL dev's that are actually improving their own work, fixing errors of their previous edits when they are found.

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Honeysense HD is the best Rom I have used with Sense 3.0, well most of Sense 3.0. Haven't had any issues.
Plus it looks awesome
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Thanks will give it a run.

i second this
JSLEnterprises said:
What I don’t understand is how people that just throw things together using existing tools, and not know any type of coding what so ever (or just know high school level visual basic), are allowed to be called DEV's.
Though porting can be a tedious job, there are many many things that go unresolved in existing roms, and updates consist of updated apps, or throwing in updated edits that OTHER people have actually made. EG: most of the sense 3.0 add-ons we see in almost all of the available roms were fixed up by half a dozen people or less (like Seo, Krzysiec, and MDJ to name a few)
Last thing I remember learning in university, in software engineering, was when creating something, make it as close to a final product as possible, then test, edit, retest, edit, release.
If you're editing something, do it right, and finish it before you release, not half ass something and say it’s done.
A thanks goes out to all the REAL dev's that are actually improving their own work, fixing errors of their previous edits when they are found.
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The more roms the better. I love changing roms as often as possible. It makes me feel tech savvy lol. There's loads of widgets you can get if you want to change things around a bit so its all good.
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