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what Visual Studio should i get

i want to learn and start making software for wm5 which Visual Studio should i get
i am on this page http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ am i on the wrong page or could some one tell me which one to download or give me i direct link thanks

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Visual studio express edition does not support mobile devices.
You would need the full VS 2005 and that costs a lot. (Not that great either. My work station is 2.4GHz with 256MB RAM and it almost kills it).
What you should get is the free eVC 4 + service pack 4 + WM 2003 SDK.
Any program written with that will work fine on WM 5 and you can always manually unpack and add the WM 5 SDK if you want easy access to some extra APIs (very few of those).

levenum thanks but the cost doesnt matter as i have a little friend called emule am sure he will help me out
and my pc's spec is a bit higher than yours but i think i will take your advice as i like to muilty task thanks m8

Get any Visual Studio 2005 edition just not Express.

Visual studio 2005 pro.. install it, and after that go to msdn website search for Windows mobile 5.0 SDK download it and install it..

Pocket PC programming
Try SYSBASE Pocketbuilder. It's a lot quicker to get things done. I have both products and we do most things in pocket builder now.
SteveW

I use Visual Studio 2005 Profession Edition and I run it on my desktop which is a 3Ghz, 512MB RAM machine and it runs really quickly.

windows sdk questions

I'm thinking about developing a few apps for my Tilt so I can start to learn to program for a PPC.I read the wiki a bit and found this page
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb158662.aspx
It talks about the Microsoft mobile SDK. and that has code samples in it.
Do you have to pay for those samples? There's a few in there that I'd like to mess with like battery status. I couldnt find out where to DL or if you have to pay for them.
Do these samples work with the free eMbedded Visual C 4 listed on the wiki?
Will these apps work with WM6?
Is there a better/easier tool to use that most people do use that is better for developing apps on the Tilt and WM6
Thanks!

you have to download and install windows mobile 6 sdk(free). It will have those samples in it. I don't think it will work with Visual C 4, but you can try with latest visual studio express (supposed to be free)

oh wow cool. thanks!
so reading the MS page, i need Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 or better. is that correct? The news you gave is great since the first few apps that I write are real close to the samples listed anyway. Then i can get creative from there

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/netframework/bb495180.aspx

First off, you can unpack the MSI installation files without actually installing them if all you are after are some code samples. (This will save you paying for VS 2005 which I think is way too expensive for a private developer looking to make some apps for him self and not publish commercial software).
Second, if you search the net for sites like www.pocketpcdn.com you will find plenty of code samples some of which will be way better than what the SDK has to offer.
Finally, note that you can develop apps for WM 5 and 6 with eVC 4 and WM 2003 SDK with no problem.

How to create apps for Windows Mobile device...

So I'm interested in trying to create an application for my Windows Mobile device, a tilt. It doens't have to be anything grand, for that matter a simple calculator will sufice..
Is there a noob guide for dummies that would kind of spell out the process of building the app then deploying the app to my phone?
Anyone have some source code they would be willing to share?
I'm familiar with VB but not vb.net, I have vb.net 2002 available but worry it's too outdated???
I'm hoping you guy's can shed some light on some start to finish guidelines.
Thanks.
TW,

I'm quite interested in this question too

I'm using Visual Studio 2008 + C#, works great.
I do not like VB (anymore), but I think it's worth upgrading, 2002 -> 2008, there've been new .NET versions and so on ... I'd use a newer version.

Visual Studio 2005 + VB.NET over here. Works great. Though I'd like to upgrade to .NETCF 3.5 asap.
Please use the search, this question has been asked several (or a lot of) times before.

Hey I program with VB.Net over Visual Studio 2005
You will need an additional SDK for your phone too:
for wm6 you find it here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3a-a651-4745-88ef-3d48091a390b&displaylang=en
then you can select it when you create a new project, see here
http://www.danielmoth.com/Blog/2007/02/windows-mobile-6-sdks.html

Rhapsody, any links that you could provide? are you referring to creating/compiling an app for WM6 or the golf application?
Anyone have some basic source they might like to provide? something with GPS using the "GPS Intermediate Driver" would be excellent... it sure would help to get the ball rolling.
TW,

tiger.woods said:
Rhapsody, any links that you could provide? are you referring to creating/compiling an app for WM6 or the golf application?
Anyone have some basic source they might like to provide? something with GPS using the "GPS Intermediate Driver" would be excellent... it sure would help to get the ball rolling.
TW,
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The MSDN is what you need.
http://www.msdn.com (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/nl-nl/library/bb847935(en-us).aspx)
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/nl-nl/windowsmobile/default(en-us).aspx - Windows Mobile
http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn - MSDN Forums (has also a subforum for Mobile Devices)
The MSDN contains tons of information and a lot of quick start samples as well.

Thanks for the replies guys.
I'm a little confused on the different software packages that Micrsoft has available, .NET and Visual Studio, Professional, Team, etc...
Does Visual Studio 2005 include all that is needed? What's the difference between VS 2005 and VS 2008?
Thanks,
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I wanted to post back with a link I found for anyone else interested - hxxp://www.devx.com/wireless/Article/31198 it's a good article on creating setup files for your mobile device. If I can find something in VB with regard to GPS positioning and VS 2005 I think I've got a start...

tiger.woods said:
Thanks for the replies guys.
I'm a little confused on the different software packages that Micrsoft has available, .NET and Visual Studio, Professional, Team, etc...
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Yup i had the same issue, I couln't find a place where it was clearly mentioned what was needed and how to start.
Then I came across this program : basic4ppc
It's easy and not too expensive, they have a trial version available
the only drawback to the trial vesion you can only simulate the program, exporting to exe file doesn't work, you'll have to buy the program.
I liked it so much I bought it

cool, giving it a go now

tiger.woods said:
Thanks for the replies guys.
I'm a little confused on the different software packages that Micrsoft has available, .NET and Visual Studio, Professional, Team, etc...
Does Visual Studio 2005 include all that is needed? What's the difference between VS 2005 and VS 2008?
Thanks,
[EDIT]
I wanted to post back with a link I found for anyone else interested - hxxp://www.devx.com/wireless/Article/31198 it's a good article on creating setup files for your mobile device. If I can find something in VB with regard to GPS positioning and VS 2005 I think I've got a start...
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Get Visual studio 2008, you can actually get visual studio 2008 professional for free if you are a student, mainly in the US, but also abroad... check the microsoft vs 2008 website, cant remember the link
The other free version, visual studio 2008 express is useless to you since it will not do pocketpc/smartphone development
Or you can get a trial copy of VS 2008
Once you have it., you can create a new project, and you can select the pocketpc/smartphone type and you will be off to development land....

Newbie Guide to C++

I need help - I want to start writing programs for my Tilt. Looking through the posts it seems the C++ is the way to go. I found a bunch of nice tutorials on the web on how to program in C++ but not now to write a program for a pocket pc.
Specifically I need help with which programs to download.
Im looking for a list like this of exactly what I need to get
1. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ 4.0.
2. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ SP4
3. Microsoft pocket pc 2003 sdk.msi
4. Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Device Emulator
or what ever
Thanks I tried to figure this out on my own but got frustrated after installing like 7 different programs. Seems like you should only need 1 program but it seems like you need to download a bunch.
Also with the Embedded Visual C++ program I dont see where to enter your code - like open workspace or something?

ronschaefer said:
I need help - I want to start writing programs for my Tilt. Looking through the posts it seems the C++ is the way to go. I found a bunch of nice tutorials on the web on how to program in C++ but not now to write a program for a pocket pc.
Specifically I need help with which programs to download.
Im looking for a list like this of exactly what I need to get
1. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ 4.0.
2. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ SP4
3. Microsoft pocket pc 2003 sdk.msi
4. Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Device Emulator
or what ever
Thanks I tried to figure this out on my own but got frustrated after installing like 7 different programs. Seems like you should only need 1 program but it seems like you need to download a bunch.
Also with the Embedded Visual C++ program I dont see where to enter your code - like open workspace or something?
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WHAT kind of applications you are trying to write?
Do you need to write a device driver for your PDA?

ronschaefer said:
I need help - I want to start writing programs for my Tilt. Looking through the posts it seems the C++ is the way to go. I found a bunch of nice tutorials on the web on how to program in C++ but not now to write a program for a pocket pc.
Specifically I need help with which programs to download.
Im looking for a list like this of exactly what I need to get
1. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ 4.0.
2. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ SP4
3. Microsoft pocket pc 2003 sdk.msi
4. Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Device Emulator
or what ever
Thanks I tried to figure this out on my own but got frustrated after installing like 7 different programs. Seems like you should only need 1 program but it seems like you need to download a bunch.
Also with the Embedded Visual C++ program I dont see where to enter your code - like open workspace or something?
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You should be able to do it with visual studio and the emulator, im not 100% sure though, I only know a limited amount of Java.
Most phones support .net/C#/Java, so pick a language

What I want to write
Just some fun stuff =
One idea I had is a generic sound simulator, tie buttons to different sound - .wav files; animal sounds, machine sounds, phasor blasts, drum kit, theme music like - http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/illuminated/a5bf/
I want to have it look nice too with decent graphics.

i suggest to use Visual Studio 2005 or 2008.
It's simplest way to start (and continue) to write programs.
Both native and NET technologies are supported. C++ and C# available.
Both VS versions are coming with integrated Device Emulator with WM5(VS2005) and WM6(VS2008) images for PDA/PDAPhone/SP and remote debugger for real PDA/PDAPhone/SP devices.

If you are using VS2005/2008. Download the latest Windows Mobile 6 SDK (Standard and Pro) for the best Emulation.
Ta
Dave

but c# only works with .net
where c++ works with win32(native) microMFC(Native) and .net
more info can be found
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380069&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382995&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=226412&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336251&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305926&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302548&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=228043&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317913&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=237932&highlight=programming

yes, С# is for NET only. This language appeared together with NET technology as alternative to Java after breakup with SUN
C# is closer to BASIC than C++. I, personally, don't recommend C#. Ths "strange" language is for lazy people. Almost nothing left of C++ and its ideology.

Visual Studio 2008 Pro trial version
Thanks for you advice - i deleted all that embedded C++ stuff - was way too confusing, must have had like 8 programs installed and still was not working - I like the idea of just 3 things the visual studio and the 2 WM6 SDKs
Im going to try the visual studio 2008 - there is a trial version of it for 90 days
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/products/aa700831.aspx
Would i be better off with the 2005 version as Im using Xp not Vista on my main computer. Should I get the Try Visual Studio "Team System" 2008 - Trial Software or just stick with the regular one i downloaded?
I also downloaded the standard and professional WM6 SDKs
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...745-88EF-3D48091A390B&displaylang=en#filelist

I used embedded visual tools in the past (3 and 4). Be aware that you cannot use the WM5 SDK with eVC, you must use Visual Studio for that. The latest thing usable with eVC is the WM2003 SDK, as far as I know. Also, the emulator handling in eVC was quite sluggish and buggy. When I switched to VS2005, it was like a deliverance to me. Also, the help system in VS is a blessing. *g*
Though I used Delphi's VCL in the past, I would never freely touch such a thing on restricted hardware such as in PDAs. Hence, .NET, MFC and of course *cough* Java *cough* are out of the question. I'm a pure C++ writer. The progs are nicely small and fast. And there are always alternatives to the things I can't use because of that: for instance instead of MFC CStrings I got acquainted with STL library's strings. There's also ATL which supposedly can be used instead of MFC for GUI programming, but when I looked for it some years back I found only very little information about that.
Happy coding.

Is it true that you can only develop WinMo C++ in VS Pro?
I read on the Microsoft marketplace that the standard edition dosnt support mobiles..
are there any alternatives (C++ only please..)

yes they only support through pro... but you can get it for free through dreamspark if you are a student

joel2009 said:
yes they only support through pro... but you can get it for free through dreamspark if you are a student
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damn, I am a student but my uni isnt listed
I asked one of the admins and they are looking into getting on the list
But it might be too late coz its my last year..

Mic159 said:
damn, I am a student but my uni isnt listed
I asked one of the admins and they are looking into getting on the list
But it might be too late coz its my last year..
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Good news. My uni isn't listed either. It is a simple matter of verifying your student status on journey ed. I'm glad I could help with this because it turns out that I could get all the dreamspark software through my school's MSDNAA program anyways.

How do i creat Programs?

I've been checking out MSDN for tutorials on how to make programs and apps. So then i found something call Microsoft Visual basic express edition 2008, and some SDK files. Now, is there anything else i need to start creating Windows mobile 6 Programs? Thanks in advance.

No... if you have the sdk... you are set.... if you have any questions feel free to ask....
I recommend you start with C# but if all you have is VB then that is what you have to use.

TheWidgetKid said:
No... if you have the sdk... you are set.... if you have any questions feel free to ask....
I recommend you start with C# but if all you have is VB then that is what you have to use.
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thanks man, i guess ill play around with Vbasic then ill check out C#. But do you have a windows live messenger?

RAndom I have to type this....

Check out the sticky at the start of this forum. Its got loads of info along these lines.
Visual Studio Express and Standard editions are not enough for creating Mobile applications. You will need the Professional edition.

DhaMajoR said:
I've been checking out MSDN for tutorials on how to make programs and apps. So then i found something call Microsoft Visual basic express edition 2008, and some SDK files. Now, is there anything else i need to start creating Windows mobile 6 Programs? Thanks in advance.
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You start in the questions and answers thread THEN you get a copy of VS 2008 professional (or 2005 but might as well get 2008). Then you download the Windows Mobile SDK. Then you use google. If you have prior programming experience, it should be a breeze.