First I know this is not an issue if I install Android. However my android build booted up only once and not again and also messed my WMo so I'm not going that route (at least for now) till Android on NAND is a possibility (or even WP7?).
I have some MP4 files that are just large (1024x560). Coreplayer handle normal MP4 files just fine (like the Transformer movies) but can't play the large MP4 files. It complains H.264 codec not found but I believe Coreplayer supports H.264 natively. Here comes the question:
1. Is there anyway to go around the software limitation? I tried the same files on my wife's vibrant and they play just fine so hardware-wise, HD2 is capable to handle the playback.
2. If Coreplayer's software limitation cannot be circumvented, is there another media player for windows mobile 6.5 that can handle this situation?
Thank you for your input!
Well after some searching and research, here is what I have found:
1. The software limit for coreplayer is built in stone, and cannot be circumvented. Also the developers have seemingly stopped the development of that software package.
2. The best replacement I found is this (TCPMP):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5685536
It seems to be a little slower than coreplayer when playing transformers on my HD2, which suggests coreplayer actually does get some kind of hardware acceleration. It doesn't matter that much as (1) I won't use the phone to watch those movies (I have BD discs for both) (2) it still doesn't fix my original problem.
Any recommendation for other video player for WM6.5? I tried VLC (program doesn't start) and mplayer (can't browse file) so those are pretty useless.
CoreAVC supports QuadHD... so the limitation was us limiting the resolution for performance purposes. We removed the limitation in CorePlayer 2.0 as many devices can now handle the resolution without issues.
From what I can gather, coreplayer 2.0 is not released yet, and there is no plan to develop that for Windows Mobile 6.5 as the platform is officially dead.
Is that correct?
I think I have found the answer: android + rockplayer
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So this documents my sad experience with XDA's culminating in a regreful decision NOT to buy the HTC Advantage.
I have bought 3 generations of past HTC based XDAs including the Wallaby, Andes and Universal.
Primarily I need a phone and a PDA in a single unit with the promise of also using it as a media player in situations where I'm without my laptop or subnote.
The fastest media player that I have used always seemed to be the TCPMP player but this was too slow to play conventional DIVX .avi or other FULL SIZE movie streams.
I dont have the time to constantly convert movies from standard 700 MB .avi format to PPC pixel size. But the Universal was simply NOT fast enough to play the uncoverted movies. (Plus the Universal has some issues when it comes to slooowly receiving and making calls .. another story)
As a standby measure I use a Fujistu Loox N560 (and Nokia 7380 combo), with a 624Mhz Xscale processor. Wiith TCPMP IT IS fast enough to play movies on its VGA screen without really any noticable skipping.
This was a temporary measure until HTC could produce a phone PDA combo that I could again use as a do-it-all device.
BUT after much monitoring xda-developers I conclude that the HTC advantage with all its other features will not do this job. I really really wanted the Advantage to work for me but post after post have indicated that it just cant cut it for displaying videos.
How difficult can it be to produce a device and software that can do this! Like I say, I dont want to spend all my waking hours converting .avi files from one format to each other, just to play the regular 700MB / 2hour standard .divx file.
The x7500 is a phone and a PDA, not a video player. Yes, it can play Videos and movies, but they need to be converted as you already stated.
So if you want to watch videos in their native format, why would you think a phone would work as a video player.
Why not just go buy a mini-video player...And if you already knew the answer and you don't want to convert to a format that can be played on a PDA......
Why did you waste our and your time explaining the obvious!
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the HTC Athena, with it's dedicated ATI graphics chip, might have a chance to play the same videos he's able to play on the Loox (another PPC device that uses the same 624Mhz Xscale processor).
Hopefully either the CoreCodec folks will be able to work around the buggy ATI drivers driving the Athena, or we won't have to wait long until someone releases a device with better a dedicated GPU.
i see ur point...i have converted many videos and most took no more than 15-20 mins max. but thats due to my core 2x duo processor.hopefully we see some software upgrades to solve this.
mmh,... I do not really see the point you mentioned.
The TCPMP is not able to use the Ati drivers but with the RawFramebuffer and DIVX (XVID) converted movies it runs brilliant.
I also convert DVDs to approx. 600 video and 128 audio @ res of 640x480. with this I will come up
with about 500-600 MB per movie. Excellent quality and no lags...
And what is your exact problem with converting.... Du you want to
but a DVD content auf 4GB on your MD ? uncoverted movies on a mobile
device makes no sense... or didnt I get the point here ?
Definitly I can not confirm your statement mentioned. Also standard divx movies at 700MB CD size will run like a charm.
But now some experience from my side:
I used the SPB Mobile DVD to convert files directly from DVD... a big mess... audio/video goes out of sync and if paused the whole movie
become laggy. 5-10FPS .... I was searching the Inet and also XDA Devs for this problem...
At the end I had to find out the SPB Mobile DVD converting program is SH** !!!!
Now I use Pocket-DVD Studio... converting with the newest XVID drivers. Excellent performance as mentined before...
So maybe this is your problem... give try to another converter and see what happens. (Use one with not installed codecs... use one where you can make
setting and use the system installed codecs)
So from my side: The Athena is a good mobile movie player (with TCPMP)... my opinion
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Hiya people,
I must say that this is a bit confusing to me. I use the ATI driver on my Ameo (advantage) with TCMP as long as you dont use the hardware acceleration it works perfectly. There are many threads regarding this subject.
All in all, any 700-800 MB movie that I err......come accross and copy directly to my Ameo plays perfectly for me. Xvid or Divx.....
I dont do any conversions or anything. I just download and play.
Maybe I get the odd frame skipped here and there but its not an issue for me. I watch many action films...no problemo.......all standard 700 mb+ Avi files....I have Simpsons amd Resi Evil extinction on my Microdrive now...both 700MB plus..
Example my copy of RE:E 717 MB
MPEG4 Vid
608 by 256
25 FPS
After 2000 frames, I had dropped 42...
Lol maybe I am just not fussy and this is a nuisance to everyone else. I have not found an AVI that I have been unable to watch yet....
Then again, I used to watch 160 X 120 movies on my HTC Voyager using Pocket DIVX encoder which really really sucked and I thought it was cool.
I can also confirm that no convertion is needed, I have a lot of convertions which are over 2gigs, I watch these on my pc, but have watched them on my Ameo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308952
amouses said:
So this documents my sad experience with XDA's culminating in a regreful decision NOT to buy the HTC Advantage.
I have bought 3 generations of past HTC based XDAs including the Wallaby, Andes and Universal.
Primarily I need a phone and a PDA in a single unit with the promise of also using it as a media player in situations where I'm without my laptop or subnote.
The fastest media player that I have used always seemed to be the TCPMP player but this was too slow to play conventional DIVX .avi or other FULL SIZE movie streams.
I dont have the time to constantly convert movies from standard 700 MB .avi format to PPC pixel size. But the Universal was simply NOT fast enough to play the uncoverted movies. (Plus the Universal has some issues when it comes to slooowly receiving and making calls .. another story)
As a standby measure I use a Fujistu Loox N560 (and Nokia 7380 combo), with a 624Mhz Xscale processor. Wiith TCPMP IT IS fast enough to play movies on its VGA screen without really any noticable skipping.
This was a temporary measure until HTC could produce a phone PDA combo that I could again use as a do-it-all device.
BUT after much monitoring xda-developers I conclude that the HTC advantage with all its other features will not do this job. I really really wanted the Advantage to work for me but post after post have indicated that it just cant cut it for displaying videos.
How difficult can it be to produce a device and software that can do this! Like I say, I dont want to spend all my waking hours converting .avi files from one format to each other, just to play the regular 700MB / 2hour standard .divx file.
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i play "regular" 700 mb avi file on my uni without any lag.
what u smoking
dude what are u smoking video on the advantage is freaking sweeet. plus if u install projet athena 3 on it, the thing is a marvel of design and technology. they guys that made project athena put so much into it. infact i dont even need to use my hardware keyboard anymore. the teksoft keyboard works even better than the hardware one. but i digress, the tcpmp that is includded on the project athena uses the ati graphic card. i have never seen better video even better than the psp. no need to convert. i use full videos no conversion at all.
So I bought my Touch Cruise a couple months after launch. I knew 3D drivers weren't available, and that I wasn't buying an iPhone that has better video playback. Instead, I bought the best phone at the time with the Windows Mobile OS, so I could tether, play music, take calls through my car stereo, and so much more.
Since the whole 3D Driver thing has been going on, I've been waiting to hear just what it's good for. I mean HTC 3D *is* nicer than Manilla 2D, but I'm still running Syrius R0 since it does nearly everything I want, and I feel it has less issues I notice than R1 or R2.
But obviously the best video playback possible is a nice touch. Especially if I don't have to convert movies to a specific format for a specific player just to watch them once on my cell phone. So what's the best solution?
Is EVERYONE using ONE movie player, and one software package to convert videos at this point? Or are there still too many conversion packages, and everyone has a favorite player? Here's hoping this thread clears up some of my confusion, and might help a few other people as well. Thanks for your time.
I think the best Free player is TCPMP on WMobile devices. There is a special version patched for wm6.1 in this forum.
This player accepts a lot of video files which can be shrinked with PocketDivxEncoder (also free).
There is also CorePlayer, the commercial successor of TCPMP, which has optimisations for Qualcomm hardware, and can handle File Library. It can play even more file formats than TCPMP and also supports online streams.
What program is used to play the Transformer movies? It does not have much options like CorePlayer but it did a good job of playing the Transformer movies.
Also, if I want to use it to play other movies that I encode using this same player, where do I put these new movies. Do I put it in the folder called "Transformers" in the SD card? But then how do the Transformer movies have their own icon? Still trying to figure this out.
It's the HTC video player, which is basically a reskinned Windows Media Player.
The Transformers icon is there because the TMoUS HD2 ships with a launcher app (which is basically just a list of two links, tapping on them opens the file).
The launcher app is not customizable, though it should be pretty trivial to build something similar.
Which would be a better player? The default one on the HD2 or CorePlayer (the latest version). I know that CorePlayer is not free but I just like to know which one performs better. CorePlayer can play .mkv files so that is a good advantage.
The HTC player (WMP) works well for some file types. I have CorePlayer installed for any odd media types, but the UI is pretty poor. Also give TCPMP a shot (it's the evolution of the open-source predecessor of CorePlayer, and now it has a new touch-friendly UI too).
Though to be honest I've personally sort of given up on high-quality video playback on the HD2-- the performance is just so inconsistent. Even the Transformers movies it comes with (which I've since transferred to my Class 6 16GB MicroSD) don't always play smoothly and sometimes stutter or slow down when I'm demoing them, so the only safe settings are lower quality, at which point it becomes useless because I don't have time to transcode videos (that's partially the point of having such a powerful processor, but it seems WM can drag down even a 1 GHz Snapdragon).
amb9800 said:
The HTC player (WMP) works well for some file types. I have CorePlayer installed for any odd media types, but the UI is pretty poor. Also give TCPMP a shot (it's the evolution of the open-source predecessor of CorePlayer, and now it has a new touch-friendly UI too).
Though to be honest I've personally sort of given up on high-quality video playback on the HD2-- the performance is just so inconsistent. Even the Transformers movies it comes with (which I've since transferred to my Class 6 16GB MicroSD) don't always play smoothly and often stutter or slow down when I'm demoing them, so the only safe settings are lower quality, at which point it becomes useless because I don't have time to transcode videos (that's partially the point of having such a powerful processor, but it seems WM can drag down even a 1 GHz Snapdragon).
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hmmmmm.... i dont know but transformers plays very smoothe on my hd2 and also i recommend latest TCPMP with custom setup.i also convert dvds to mp4 in my pc then sync it to my hd2 and it plays on windows mobile player and and TCPMP,but doesnt play well on my coreplayer though.
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hmmmmm.... i dont know but transformers plays very smoothe on my hd2 and also i recommend latest TCPMP with custom setup.i also convert dvds to mp4 in my pc then sync it to my hd2 and it plays on windows mobile player and and TCPMP,but doesnt play well on my coreplayer though.
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They generally work fine if I soft-reset and make sure Wifi, etc. are off and nothing else is running, but otherwise in normal operation, where I might have email open and 3G + Wifi enabled in the background, I often get less than perfect playback. Usually still watchable, but hardly impressive (and definitely not something I'd show to iPhone 3GS-toting friends, who instantly notice the frame drops and such).
amb9800 said:
It's the HTC video player, which is basically a reskinned Windows Media Player.
The Transformers icon is there because the TMoUS HD2 ships with a launcher app (which is basically just a list of two links, tapping on them opens the file).
The launcher app is not customizable, though it should be pretty trivial to build something similar.
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The HTC Streaming Media Player is not a skinned WMP. Its specifically developed by HTC to take advantage of the hardware acceleration for MP4 files with the Snapdragon processor. The video performance is far superior to Coreplayer or WMP.
You can convert your video files to take advantage of this hardware acceleration by using Touch HD Encoder (search
i recently synced mp4 movies to the "transformers file" and it plays as the same high quality as the transformers does.
GHOST99K said:
i recently synced mp4 movies to the "transformers file" and it plays as the same high quality as the transformers does.
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It's pretty clear (to me, at least) that the native Video Player is the best player between the 3.
Video Player plays very limited file types, which is a minus. re-encoding video files to MP4 takes long time, and file size goes up, if you want to keep the same 'high-quality' video.
CorePlayer does a great job playing various file types, so it's easier to view movies, that's for sure.
being a video editor by trade, i have no problem re-encoding video prior to transferring media to my phone as i have the hardware and software to do so painlessly. starting from a high quality/high resolution video file and encoding down to an mp4 correctly yields in smaller filesize while retaining amazing quality. i've recently encoded a full 1080p 25min video (which started at 4gb) down to an HTC Video Player friendly video that was a hair over 300mb...with nearly no difference in quality. it plays perfectly in the native player...no problems whatsoever. i've considered doing a write up for the boards and may do so if i have time, but if you have any questions, fire away.
Transformers movies path
Hi, can someone write the exact path of the Transformers path in the SD card, so the application luncher can find them.
Thanks in advance
CorePlayer
fnuna said:
Hi, can someone write the exact path of the Transformers path in the SD card, so the application luncher can find them.
Thanks in advance
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Just make a folder named 'Transformers' on your memory card, install the files to it and it will find it.
Transformers looks wonderful, but converting is such a chore with getting all the settings right and such. Of course, I would want the exact conversion process that was used on Transformers. Coreplayer is the best for me. No converting, just play and the quality is very high. Plus, best music player and streams Youtube videos. It's the only app I've paid nearly $30.00 for and would do it again. I must have it.
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being a video editor by trade, i have no problem re-encoding video prior to transferring media to my phone as i have the hardware and software to do so painlessly. starting from a high quality/high resolution video file and encoding down to an mp4 correctly yields in smaller filesize while retaining amazing quality. i've recently encoded a full 1080p 25min video (which started at 4gb) down to an HTC Video Player friendly video that was a hair over 300mb...with nearly no difference in quality. it plays perfectly in the native player...no problems whatsoever. i've considered doing a write up for the boards and may do so if i have time, but if you have any questions, fire away.
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Yes I would love to see a write up, the prob Im having is I have been trying different programs & settings for burning my dvd's to my phone and none have looked as good as the Transformers movies. Any insight would be appreciated
I've read that the most efficient player on the HD2 is the Windows Media Player Mobile, despite the fact that other applications support more video types and whatnots...
If I understood correctly, it's because the WMP uses some sort of hardware acceleration.
(If I'm wrong in any of this, please correct me!)
With this in mind, I wanted to prepare a few videos for my HD2 with the following tools at my disposal:
- Camtasia
- FFDShow
- Anything that's free
So far I was trying out Camtasia with FFDshows encoder, making XVID, DIVX or H.264... almost all of these rendered fine (with the exception of the H.264, which for some reason was not in synch with the audio), and could be played on my computer... however, after copying the files over to my HD2, WMP couldn't play any of them.
So... what can I do to make nice quality video files playable on my HD2?
Try this ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Just be sure to set the resolution for the HD2
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Also, Shaamaan, try coreplayer as it plays the best...
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I beg to differ on that ....
It plays More but not better as coreplayer does not yet support hardware acceleration on the HD2, the built in player does ...
Personally I wish they would fix coreplayer, it is a very nice player ...
Also coreplayer is a retail app, so the link you posted is technically Warez, which are not allowed ...
Thanks for the link, watcher64!
EDIT: Albeit I tried it, and the audio was out of synch...
If I may ask a stupid question... what format IS supported by that WMP anyway? I mean, I assumed that at least ONE format generated by the FFDshow codec would work... while all of them failed.
MPEG4 / MP4 I know they work for sure. all the BRrips go str8 in to my TMOUS HTC HD2. not on my laptop now but I saw/have a SD/HD movie converter for this phone will upload for you asap.
Try XMedia Recode
It has a setting for HD2 use, and to be honest, I've copied a couple of Blu-Rays using this, and it is flawless within the HTC Video/Picture tab...
+1 for XMedia Recode. Easiest tool so far.
XMedia-Recode is better then the one I use...time to switch THX
The best player on my HD 2 I ever had, playing almost all formats smooth and brilliant is this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634951
I am a new Nook user.
So far I was using a noname chinese tablet (TCC8902-based at 720MHz) and I am used to be able to play any video. The screen quality was pretty bad, but it played absolutely everything i dropped to it.
Now, I upgraded to nook and was planning to enjoy it's excellent screen, but found out that it just doesn't play more than a half of video files that I have. I tried both native Nook FW (videoplayer reports "video is not supported") and CM7 installed on uSD - ES File Managers player (that I mostly used on my old tablet) just doesn't play them without any message.
I would expect Nook's hardware including video accelerator to be more advanced than TCC8902 but looks like there are some restrictions.
Is there anywhere a list of video/audio formats and codecs that are and that are not supported? I was trying to search, but couldn't find one.
Is there any chance that my device has some hardware issues? I think it's unlikely since everything else works fine, but may be?
Try getting MX video player from market.
Get Rock Player Lite
Thanks guys, I will definitely give a try to these players tonight (don't have Nook with me at work).
But as far as I understand all these players are just a front end GUI. Most if not all of the streams parsing, decoding and displaying is done by HW (unless we are talking about software video decoding which I don't consider). Apparently the player i used (built into ES file explorer) is clever enough to pass data to HW since it works fine on inferior tablet.
I am quite sure a question of video support on Nook has been discussed in details, I just couldn't find anything. Could anyone please point me to any good discussions covering this topic?
I'll add a nomination for MoboPlayer. It uses software decoding to play files not supported by hardware.
Also, download Handbrake and search for the suggested Nook settings to convert video files for optimal playback.
Edit: I wanted to add that yes, getting a special video player & converting files is a bit more complex than just dropping the file onto the tablet and playing it. But let's not lose sight of the fact that we're trying to use an eReader to play large, usually HD videos. The fact that it can do it at all is pretty awesome.