[Q] Questions to ask buying Vibrant from Ebay? - Vibrant General

Summary:
List the questions you'd ask the seller in context of Unlocked Samsung Vibrant.
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Greetings,
I'm looking to buy unlocked Samsung Vibrant for around $400, (I'm not in USA and got a freind coming from there, will save me $100 eyes-closed).
I haven't really done E-baying ever before . I'v read some guides and obviously going to see the feedback and points the sellers have. (I'm trying to get the phone preferably from someone with TOP-SELLER icon).
I would really appreciate if you can tell me some of the questions that I should ask the person before buying UNLOCKED Samsung Vibrant.
Many Thanks.

phrozenflame said:
Summary:
List the questions you'd ask the seller in context of Unlocked Samsung Vibrant.
Details:
Greetings,
I'm looking to buy unlocked Samsung Vibrant for around $400, (I'm not in USA and got a freind coming from there, will save me $100 eyes-closed).
I haven't really done E-baying ever before . I'v read some guides and obviously going to see the feedback and points the sellers have. (I'm trying to get the phone preferably from someone with TOP-SELLER icon).
I would really appreciate if you can tell me some of the questions that I should ask the person before buying UNLOCKED Samsung Vibrant.
Many Thanks.
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Eh, I've had a horrible experience buying something expensive from ebay. It's a risk. Ask yourself, is it really worth $100? Ebay can be great but I stay away from it when it comes to electronics.

Agreed with the above poster. Ebay is great for many things, such as cheap stuff, but I would NEVER buy an expensive piece of electronics off of it. There are far too many ways to get screwed over. It's not worth it.

I've bought lots of expensive items from eBay, link a credit card to your PayPal account that way if you don't get any help from them you can always do a chargeback if you get a dud and the sellers a ****. Check their feedback if you see reds forget it.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.

Did you check on the xda for sale forums. Some guy was selling one for $300 with a ffc already installed. I too would not go through ebay, I have way better luck on Craig's list.

I've bought countless phones off of ebay (Dash 3g, Hd2, Vibrant, Hd7, G2, .....) and Ive never had a problem. You just have to know how to find the right listing froma seller with good feedback. And make sure you read the listing description at least THREE times before buying...to help you out...heres some vibrant I would consider bidding on if I were you:
http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-SEALE...ell_Phones&hash=item35adc3f1b2#ht_3539wt_1139
http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-SGH-Vib...Cell_Phones&hash=item2a0bca6b8d#ht_500wt_1156
http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-SGH-Vib...Cell_Phones&hash=item27b66018dd#ht_500wt_1156
I bought my vibrant from Ebay back in september for only 376. This included shipping and everything. and the phone was brand new in box...so my experiences with ebay have been good. Hope yours are the same...just be careful for ppl selling stuff with less than a feedback score of 5

demize! said:
I've bought lots of expensive items from eBay, link a credit card to your PayPal account that way if you don't get any help from them you can always do a chargeback if you get a dud and the sellers a ****. Check their feedback if you see reds forget it.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.
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Doing a chargeback is not easy unless fraud is involved. If u authorized the charge and get screwed the bank will not charge it back.
Also, the bank will make you call PayPal.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

as I seller I have problems with scamming buyers. Actually got scammed out of a HD2. lost the phone and money

I have had a few issues with ebay. Specifically after they changed some of there rules regarding paypal and buyer complaints. That said, if you trust your friend get him some money and have him try craigslist in his area. My .02

my .02cents on this topic... Craigslist is a great place. In my area there are 20+ vibrant many for $250 range.
The benefit (and drawback) is you get to inspect the phone before you hand over cash.

As a seller and buyer I've gotten beat a couple of times. You live and learn what the signs are that someone isn't trustworthy. I've sold items in the thousands to Indonesia and Thailand with no problems, I've bought stuff in the hundreds domestically and gotten a defective item with no recourse. Bought a Sony 850I that concked out on me me, couldn't get no warranty love cause it was grey market.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.

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where to sell my hermes?

Hi all,
i just need a guide or advice on how and where to sell my hermes ( vario II ) with the best price? thanks
If you need some input into this you need to provide just a smidgen more detail. To help the grey matter get going:
- How old is it?
- What condition is it in (good, fair, poor)?
- Describe damage incurred, if any.
- Why are you selling?
- Are there any extra's, accessories, etc included?
- How much are you looking to sell it for?
- Is it locked or unlocked?
- Have you got all of the original components that came with the phone, eg manual, disks, etc?
Do you see where I am going with this? Once you can give these details then either someone will come along and make you an offer or you will be told where you might best go to get the best price.
Good luck with the sale.
WB
EBAY is very active with HERMES sales. Go to their web site and see what others are doing with them, prices, details, etc....
Or just sell it to me for 60 bucks and be done with it
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dwella said:
Or just sell it to me for 60 bucks and be done with it
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I will give $61 then.
ill top that with $70.99
kidding aside, you might want to try and explore other sites too as their are other sites with members wanting to have your device.. thats how i did mine...
Where to sell my hermes? Careful at eBay...
Ebay and selling my Hermes
Ref. your query I just tried selling my phone on eBay for a month or so. I was blessed with so much scamming I gave up.
10 Fake sells- Where a buyer says they have paid the payment in escrow with paypal etc. please send to South Africa, or Nigeria payment has been made. All took a couple of 3 days each to re-list with Google and list as a fraud so you can get your money back from Google. Each time potential real buyers get out bid by the fake buyers, then don't rebid. I gave up in the end.
All of these were a bit different and some seem genuine, (no sending to nigeria). Trouble with paypal, can they pay direct etc.
The scams are sooo good now (sometimes) they are even faking emails from paypal. The more savvy will see the obvious aspects.
So consider something besides eBay.
I've had luck with my local Craigslist in both buying my Hermes and selling my Wizard.

Forum for selling phones

Is there a forum specifically for selling my Hermes? I have changed phones and have no use for it any longer.
chrisbensch said:
Is there a forum specifically for selling my Hermes? I have changed phones and have no use for it any longer.
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Hello,
No, we don't have a forum for selling phones. A couple reasons is because it would more than likely become a breeding ground for spam and fraud.
That being said, we do "allow" some more senior members with a trusted history on the forum to sell off their device if they're moving on or upgrading to a different device.
Your best bet may be eBay or something more local.
Good luck!
Theres HowardForums, but I've never understood thier over the top prices. Who would pay $500 for a Wizard when they go for $120-$180 on Ebay?
I'd suggest Ebay or Craigslist. I've had a lot of good luck with Craigslist, but then again, I live near a college campus, so the risk of scams are hard when you have plenty of traffic/witnesses around.
how much?
how much you looking to sell you 8525 for. pm to let me know we can work something out
I was hoping for a "for sale" forum as well.
I purchased my 8525 from ebay & it constantly goes to a white screen.
Luckily - the seller agreed to a full refund.
I was told from a guru on this site that it is prob best to stay away from ebay for these phones so I was hopingto find a reputable seller over here.
Anyone wantingto sell an 8525?
tHanks
R.F.

tips for buying off ebay?

any tips? anything specific to look for?
if new, then look for descriptions that say the phone is sealed in box, if its just new in box but not sealed then it could've been used and just repackaged to look like new
if used then always look for actual pictures of the phone in the posting, make sure you read what condition the phone is in (scratches or anything) and how long it was used for
the phone should run you anywhere from 350-450
PS: Bought 2 new sealed vibrants off of ebay one for 420 and other for 430
ld006 said:
if new, then look for descriptions that say the phone is sealed in box, if its just new in box but not sealed then it could've been used and just repackaged to look like new...
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That is excellent advice to minimize buyer's risk, which is why phones in that state command a higher price than just "mint" phones in excellent condition. (Like a new car depreciates immediately when you drive it away from the dealer.)
Also, note that eBay has a Buyer Protection Program to help resolve disputes, and it is in eBay's own interest to guard the integrity of its marketplace. That does not mean they guarantee your satisfaction or even that the phone will function properly. But eBay will guarantee that the merchandise shipped meets the seller's advertised description, and "New, Sealed in Box" is an objective standard.
As a buyer I once bought such an advertised phone that did not fit that description as-delivered, and the seller was not cooperative in resolving the problem. So I had to escalate the issue to eBay, which found in my favor and saw to it that my money was refunded when I returned the merchandise. Actually, that's the closest I ever came to being burned on eBay. I think it is less risky than buying from a Craigslist seller.
I paid 350 for a 2 weeks old one (barely used) with the original box & accesories, all in perfect condition. What a sweet deal!
Check the seller's rep. I wouldn't but from anyone with fewer than 40 sales and a 98% pos rep.
Just my .02
Ebay is great, until you need to talk to them on the phone because of a shady seller!
gonintendo said:
any tips? anything specific to look for?
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I really don't want to scare you off ebay, however, with a purchase like this, I would do my ebay research very carefull.
You need to know the truth, the truth is, if you run into a problem, you will have tons of difficulty contacting ebay via phone.
I ask you to do 1 simple thing for me, just 1. Try to find an ebay phone number, search their site, search google, try to find a phone number to talk to a human being. Now, if you are able to find a phone number, call the number, see if you can get through to a human being. It took me almost 3 weeks to find a phone number, I litterly called about 20 numbers all of which were fake, old, no longer active, or put me through loops.
Finally, if you do have a problem, such as you paid for the product and didn't get the item, be ready for another saga that can last a very long time.
I've had a case open with ebay for nearly two months, supposedly ebay had decided in my favor, and I was due a full refund. Guess what, ebay never issued me a refund, the case still says open, 2 months now, no refund.
I would procede with caution, and only use paypal.
But, I beg of you, take my little challenge, try to find an Ebay phone number from their site, then if you eventually find one, see if you can get someone to pick up on the other end.
Good luck.
Always pay with PayPal. Any disputes with the seller, PayPal will back you up. They have a buyers protection program. Look it up on their website. By the way, you dont need a Credit Card to use PayPal, you can link it to your bank account if you prefer to pay cash.
SamsungVibrant said:
I really don't want to scare you off ebay, however, with a purchase like this, I would do my ebay research very carefull.
You need to know the truth, the truth is, if you run into a problem, you will have tons of difficulty contacting ebay via phone.
I ask you to do 1 simple thing for me, just 1. Try to find an ebay phone number, search their site, search google, try to find a phone number to talk to a human being. Now, if you are able to find a phone number, call the number, see if you can get through to a human being. It took me almost 3 weeks to find a phone number, I litterly called about 20 numbers all of which were fake, old, no longer active, or put me through loops.
Finally, if you do have a problem, such as you paid for the product and didn't get the item, be ready for another saga that can last a very long time.
I've had a case open with ebay for nearly two months, supposedly ebay had decided in my favor, and I was due a full refund. Guess what, ebay never issued me a refund, the case still says open, 2 months now, no refund.
I would procede with caution, and only use paypal.
But, I beg of you, take my little challenge, try to find an Ebay phone number from their site, then if you eventually find one, see if you can get someone to pick up on the other end.
Good luck.
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I agree with the poster...to a point. Ive been anebayer for years.
Ebay number? I googled it:
http://contact.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCUPortal&guest=1
Its on the ebay website. Called it too . Current and valid. Long wait time though
I never trust the disputing system on ebay. Slow, almost like they dont care.
However ebay golden rule:
unless you Really truly know/trust the seller....
always pay with a credit card (not visa debit) and using paypal.
Paypal are very quick to deal with fraud/issues and very favorable to the buyer usually (I know, I sell and buy a lot ! ).
Paypal are good if you use a credit card because they are afraid of chargebacks.
Buy from sellers you trust. A good thing to do is simply ask the seller before you buy! They are human too....and if they seem legit (good reason for selling, give you an accurate description of the phone), by all means buy!
I've bought and sold on ebay (internationally):
* logitech mice
* Logitech Keyboards
* Three laptops
* Diamond 1
* Diamond 2
* N82
* N95
* Nexus One
* HTC Desire
* Samsung Captivate
I've had issues but theyve all been resolved on paypal/ebay.
Just my $0.02 and in no way an endorsement or bag-out of anyones comment or services
Oz
I've learned my lesson never to buy anything used that is expensive and mechanically or electronically complex. Good luck with whatever you choose to do!
I've had Good Luck with Craigslist
I've purchased 2 Vibrants and a HTC HD2 from Craigslist.
All three were in next to new conditions and I'm very happy with my purchases. I was able to inspect the phones BEFORE putting up my money. I also require the seller to sign a receipt and provide ID before making the purchase. Can't be too careful in todays world.
I paid $300 each for the Vibrants and $250 for the HD2.
verify that the phone is not stolen. Request the IMEI number from the seller and call T-mobile up to check if the device was ever reported as stolen. I think there is also a website where you can check the IMEI # for its validity....not sure how accurate that is though
ozy944 said:
I agree with the poster...to a point. Ive been anebayer for years.
Ebay number? I googled it:
http://contact.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCUPortal&guest=1
Its on the ebay website. Called it too . Current and valid. Long wait time though
I never trust the disputing system on ebay. Slow, almost like they dont care.
However ebay golden rule:
unless you Really truly know/trust the seller....
always pay with a credit card (not visa debit) and using paypal.
Paypal are very quick to deal with fraud/issues and very favorable to the buyer usually (I know, I sell and buy a lot ! ).
Paypal are good if you use a credit card because they are afraid of chargebacks.
Buy from sellers you trust. A good thing to do is simply ask the seller before you buy! They are human too....and if they seem legit (good reason for selling, give you an accurate description of the phone), by all means buy!
I've bought and sold on ebay (internationally):
* logitech mice
* Logitech Keyboards
* Three laptops
* Diamond 1
* Diamond 2
* N82
* N95
* Nexus One
* HTC Desire
* Samsung Captivate
I've had issues but theyve all been resolved on paypal/ebay.
Just my $0.02 and in no way an endorsement or bag-out of anyones comment or services
Oz
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ummm that link you provided seems to be for australia.
could you possibly post the working number, so we can call and verify it works.
thanks
SamsungVibrant said:
ummm that link you provided seems to be for australia.
could you possibly post the working number, so we can call and verify it works.
thanks
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Sure,
Maybe ebay has different policies for Australia...go figure...
If in Aus: 1800 088 741
If overseas: +61 2 8288 0199
Have you tried live help? It has an approx wait time of 15 mins, works only with internet explorer but it is a real live person on the chat line and theyre usually very helpful.
Didnt mean to sound like I was dissing you, I just havent had the same sort of experience that you have and I've been using ebay since I was a mid teen! (I'm in my early twenties now)
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-T-MOBILE-Sa...Cell_Phones&hash=item3cb0e36719#ht_500wt_1154
what do you guys think of this? he claims it's new but there's no box.
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gonintendo said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-T-MOBILE-Sa...Cell_Phones&hash=item3cb0e36719#ht_500wt_1154
what do you guys think of this? he claims it's new but there's no box.
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Home-made photo.
Definitely seems legit. I thought the vibrant only had 2gb built in and 16gb on card.....should clarify that.
The price is a bit steep for a used vibrant with no box. I'd watch it but keep looking around at the same time.
Check this one out , http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...68431&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_1286wt_916
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
thanks guys. i really appreciate it.
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Home-made photo.
Definitely seems legit. I thought the vibrant only had 2gb built in and 16gb on card.....should clarify that.
The price is a bit steep for a used vibrant with no box. I'd watch it but keep looking around at the same time.
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a microSD-to-SD adapter, and a 2GB microSD card -- provided more to bundle the movie Avatar than to supplement the 16GB that's already on board.
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from engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/...ew-shootout-captivate-for-atandt-and-vibrant/
I usually assume new w/o box is stolen or just a used phone they're trying to pass off as new.

[Q] Is this note 4 a scam?

Ive been wanting to get a note 4 since it came out, but its been a bit too expensive. However, i was looking on ebay and found this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291317302078
I can decide if its a scam or not. The seller has high feedback and accepts paypal, which are both good signs, but it costs so much less than normal. What do you reckon?
BTW. I am in the UK
Looks like they mostly sell clothing items. Not where I'd buy a phone from.
The N910F is the generic snapdragon model for the Note 4 line, for the European region. Australia has it as the N910G. The ad does appear to be legit, as does the seller, however I agree with the previous poster. That particular seller seems to have more clothing than anything else.
eBay is a difficult site to judge. Things can always seems legit but then you get screwed over and yet other things that don't look so much, are legit.
At the end of the day, that decision will be in your hands, but IMO I would purchase such a device from a more reputable place such as an electronics store, rather than online, just for the peace of mind and security in having warranty and meeting the seller one on one.
This kind of purchase is like an investment and you wouldn't buy a property without knowing everything about it first would you?
I agree with everything said. But if you pay via PayPal, even if you get scammed, you can get your money back from PayPal, even if the seller refuses to acknowledge their fault. I'm not saying go for it, I'm just saying that you have buyer's protection both from eBay and PayPal.
DefinitelyDefinitely something fishy if you check their negative feedback in the last
Definitely something fishy I wouldn't waste your time as is if you look at their negative feedback in the last month alone somebody mentioned they received an empty box without a phone.
I just paid £560 for one delivered on eBay last week and I thought that was a very good price everybody else was paying £599 even on Black Friday and cyber Monday.

Protential ebay Buyer of Galaxy S7 Edge SM-G935U Beware (It's a SM-G935P)

I recently purchased 3 S7 edge G375U from ebay seller "cellitems" and my experience is far from acceptable.
Only 1 out of 3 looked new. 2 out of 3 were scratched up especially on the flash and sensor lens on the back. All 3 came with the box seals broken. When I contacted them they assured me they were new and only opened for unlocking. I was thinking what? These are factory unlocked to begin with!
I started looking more closely to these phones and it turned out all them are Sprint version G375P with G375U ROM installed. Although it works fine but I surely don't like being lied to.
If admin see this, please move this thread to the discussion. Posted here by mistake
"Although it works fine but I surely don't like being lied to."
For the principal, I'd go for a refund, or more assertive resolution that failing... and look elsewhere
Asking for a refund on 2. Keeping one for personal reason. I think ebay should have a better system in place to punish these sellers. It's said that most customer didn't know they got tricked. 1 star feedback will be given. I wish ebay can notify other buyers of this scam.
e20140 said:
I recently purchased 3 S7 edge G375U from ebay seller "cellitems" and my experience is far from acceptable.
Only 1 out of 3 looked new. 2 out of 3 were scratched up especially on the flash and sensor lens on the back. All 3 came with the box seals broken. When I contacted them they assured me they were new and only opened for unlocking. I was thinking what? These are factory unlocked to begin with!
I started looking more closely to these phones and it turned out all them are Sprint version G375P with G375U ROM installed. Although it works fine but I surely don't like being lied to.
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You must be new to eBay...
90% of everything on eBay is fake
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You must be new to eBay...
90% of everything on eBay is fake
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That's not true. Im buying 3 phones in the past and not one was a fake.
I think the buyer should be more careful and reading the ratings for example. Not reading the positive ratings.. Read the negativ ratings. I didnt say its his fault... I dont like it too and hate them sellers.
To the op :
Did you Pay via Paypal? So u can Open an issue on Paypal. Until its not solved the seller didnt get his money
lladwein said:
That's not true. Im buying 3 phones in the past and not one was a fake.
I think the buyer should be more careful and reading the ratings for example. Not reading the positive ratings.. Read the negativ ratings. I didnt say its his fault... I dont like it too and hate them sellers.
To the op :
Did you Pay via Paypal? So u can Open an issue on Paypal. Until its not solved the seller didnt get his money
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Naive
Ratings and feedback mean nothing, I bought a PS3 controller from a guy with thousands of 100% positive feedback, controller was a fake
Bought iPad charger from someone with very high 100% positive feedback, also fake
You want to know how they keep their 100% positive feedback? The same way they tried to get me to reverse my negative rating by refunding me under the agreement that I could keep the item as long as I changed my feedback from negative to positive (I did not change my feedback)
eBay ratings = Nothing
You got lucky
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Naive
Ratings and feedback mean nothing, I bought a PS3 controller from a guy with thousands of 100% positive feedback, controller was a fake
Bought iPad charger from someone with very high 100% positive feedback, also fake
You want to know how they keep their 100% positive feedback? The same way they tried to get me to reverse my negative rating by refunding me under the agreement that I could keep the item as long as I changed my feedback from negative to positive (I did not change my feedback)
eBay ratings = Nothing
You got lucky
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Kind of luck is always needed.
But Ive learned that there's always a trusted Shop where you can buy.
lladwein said:
Kind of luck is always needed.
But Ive learned that there's always a trusted Shop where you can buy.
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Yep, you can find hidden honest gems shops, but like I say, you have to sift through the 90% of fakes to find that 10% pot of gold
I'd rather pay the extra to buy from a real online shop than use eBay these days
e20140 said:
I recently purchased 3 S7 edge G375U from ebay seller "cellitems" and my experience is far from acceptable.
Only 1 out of 3 looked new. 2 out of 3 were scratched up especially on the flash and sensor lens on the back. All 3 came with the box seals broken. When I contacted them they assured me they were new and only opened for unlocking. I was thinking what? These are factory unlocked to begin with!
I started looking more closely to these phones and it turned out all them are Sprint version G375P with G375U ROM installed. Although it works fine but I surely don't like being lied to.
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Thread moved to general and discussion
*Detection* said:
Yep, you can find hidden honest gems shops, but like I say, you have to sift through the 90% of fakes to find that 10% pot of gold
I'd rather pay the extra to buy from a real online shop than use eBay these days
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For my personal use, I ended up buying it from Bestbuy. Even Items directly from China operated store was good. Got one of those Lenovo's fastest tablet for cheap!
Recent experience of buying new phone on eBay (all local USA sellers) is horrible. Aside from S7 edge, I bought a LG G5 in the summer and ended up returning them all, 5 times total. Again, the phone was installed with unofficial ROMs.
I would like to add, buying from individual ebay sellers (not one with a store) is mostly safe.
I would like to add never buy parts from FixEZ on ebay as they claim oem quality And most def is not...
I bought a lcd and frame assembly from them and its made of reg glass not gorilla and there cust service rep cussed me out when I sent the screen shots of the website as he told me they never claimed oem.
Which they most def did...
The screen cracked in my pocket when i sat down just from the pressure in a front pocket of fairly baggy pants might i add
This was for a LG G4
There is one advantage to there being so many fakes on eBay, so long as the seller advertises them as genuine, and they are not, you can usually get a full refund along with them letting you keep the item if you complain they are breaking eBays Ts&Cs by false advertising
They'll usually try to get you to accept 50% refund & keep the item, but if you push them and tell them you want them to send you a pre-pay box to return the item for full refund & will contact eBay about their false advert, 90% of the time they refund in full and you get an automated message from eBay saying you do not need to do anything else nor return the item
And tbh, I feel no sorrow for them losing any money considering they know they're scamming so many people with fakes
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Yep, you can find hidden honest gems shops, but like I say, you have to sift through the 90% of fakes to find that 10% pot of gold
I'd rather pay the extra to buy from a real online shop than use eBay these days
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Does factory sealed mean anything when buying on ebay ? Or is there a workaround for that too ? like fake seals or stickers
boydsc331 said:
Does factory sealed mean anything when buying on ebay ? Or is there a workaround for that too ? like fake seals or stickers
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Everything is possible on eBay, easy enough to buy shrink-wrap and claim it is factory sealed
Stickers have often been faked
Firmware on the phone has been faked
Model number on the back of the actual phone has been faked
Model number on the box has been faked / wrong box used
Buy new if you want 100% guarantee it is what you are buying, or make sure you have a good and sure way of being refunded if you still go the eBay route
ok so I went the ebay route. I found an individual seller, not one of those cell phone stores. I got 2 of the 930FD for $460 each. Not a great price but not too bad I thought. They were factory sealed and brand new. Thankyou all for the tips and suggestions.

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