No, this is not to show that android owns the iphone, we all know that. Just scroll down where it shows the carriers top rated phones..
http://blogs.computerworld.com/1733...consumer_reports_ratings_beat_down_the_iphone
If they read XDA and knew all of the complaints I'm sure they would cut 50 off of the Galaxy S scores because like..
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If they read XDA and knew all of the complaints I'm sure they would cut 50 off of the Galaxy S scores because like..
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Like? Every phone has a flaw, find me a perfect smartphone. Plus if it wasn't for all these "problems" we wouldn't have xda would we? So be thankfully!
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The problem is every smartphone doesn't have this many flaws.
And those numbers aren't even comparable to the iPhone seeing as how Galaxy S is on every major carrier and iPhone is on line 1-3 (if you count Europe, etc.).
What problems? Personal taste is not considered a problem.
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Like? Every phone has a flaw, find me a perfect smartphone. Plus if it wasn't for all these "problems" we wouldn't have xda would we? So be thankfully!
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I wasn't being serious. They obviously tested it and liked it enough to rank it higher than all of the other phones.
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What problems? Personal taste is not considered a problem.
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But ignorance is, esp when coupled with sarcasm...
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But ignorance is, esp when coupled with sarcasm...
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What roll does being a troll play?
So they didnt rate the iphone 4 because of antenna issues? That is rediculous. I mean I would shoot myself before using an iphone BUT that issue is just as bad on my vibrant. I mean, I love my vibrant but it has far more "Issues" than the iphone 4 and im not affraid of admiting that. However.... I still love it and think its the best phone out there right now (except for maybe desire HD).
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So they didnt rate the iphone 4 because of antenna issues? That is rediculous. I mean I would shoot myself before using an iphone BUT that issue is just as bad on my vibrant. I mean, I love my vibrant but it has far more "Issues" than the iphone 4 and im not affraid of admiting that. However.... I still love it and think its the best phone out there right now (except for maybe desire HD).
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Precisely. They won't recommend the iPhone 4 because of the antenna issues, yet they sing praises to a phone that has numerous documented issues that still remain unaddressed. I wonder if this article is a fluff piece, paid for by Samsung?
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Precisely. They won't recommend the iPhone 4 because of the antenna issues, yet they sing praises to a phone that has numerous documented issues that still remain unaddressed. I wonder if this article is a fluff piece, paid for by Samsung?
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Consumer Reports doesn't operate like that. You can go back to your myTouch 4G now.
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Precisely. They won't recommend the iPhone 4 because of the antenna issues, yet they sing praises to a phone that has numerous documented issues that still remain unaddressed. I wonder if this article is a fluff piece, paid for by Samsung?
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Article quotes Consumer Reports. CR is a non-profit organization that is not being sponsored by any manufacturer/vendor.
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Precisely. They won't recommend the iPhone 4 because of the antenna issues, yet they sing praises to a phone that has numerous documented issues that still remain unaddressed. I wonder if this article is a fluff piece, paid for by Samsung?
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Actually I paid them so that I could email it to all of my colleagues with iPhones. Please don't tell anyone. It's great feeling like I have the biggest "phone"
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Consumer Reports doesn't operate like that. You can go back to your myTouch 4G now.
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Did I strike a raw nerve?
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Did I strike a raw nerve?
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I think it was because your comment sounded like nothing but troll speak.
And honestly, how many problems does the Vibrant really have?
I can think of 2. Slightly laggy from time to time, and the GPS issue which has been resolved, granted it is still slightly slower then some GPS's on phones, but still fast and accurate now. Am I missing anything.
Personally, neither of these two are even close to as large as the main function of a phone, being a phone call, having a serious flaw just because of the way you may hold your phone.
I agree with consumer reports regarding this as it is a pretty major functional flaw.
You can be certain that if Consumer Reports posts a rundown it will be unbiased. They take no advertising and no grants, and have been that way since their inception.
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I think it was because your comment sounded like nothing but troll speak.
And honestly, how many problems does the Vibrant really have?
I can think of 2. Slightly laggy from time to time, and the GPS issue which has been resolved, granted it is still slightly slower then some GPS's on phones, but still fast and accurate now. Am I missing anything.
Personally, neither of these two are even close to as large as the main function of a phone, being a phone call, having a serious flaw just because of the way you may hold your phone.
I agree with consumer reports regarding this as it is a pretty major functional flaw.
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I am well aware that this is a Vibrant board, but why is it that every time someone says something negative about the Vibrant, they are immediately accused of trolling?
As far as the Vibrant's issues are concerned, I owned the phone since the day it was released and have experienced the following major issues:
1. Lag - caused by Samsung's RFS file system, this is not likely to be fixed, unless Samsung decides to do away with it.
2. GPS - the JI6 update enabled the phone to get a satellite lock, but accuracy (or lack thereof) is still a major issue. I live in NYC, so I've tested the updated GPS under various conditions. Although I wasn't expecting it to be accurate in midtown Manhattan, it suffered from inaccuracy elsewhere in the city as well. For example, on a drive to Brooklyn from Manhattan, the GPS would intermittently drop signal, despite the fact that it was a bright, sunny day and I had an unobstructed view of the sky. During the same drive, the GPS placed me in the middle of the bay that separates Brooklyn from Staten Island. During general use in Brooklyn, the GPS would constantly place me about 2-3 blocks away from my actual location. It has been speculated that the GPS receiver of the Galaxy S series is underpowered, which wouldn't be surprising.
3. Compass - still non-functional. I don't believe that it was addressed by the update.
4. Rampant bricking of phones by the JI6 update. Many of the bricked phones were completely stock (mine included), so user error is out of the question. Speaking of updates, I am still confused about the recent spate of "updates" that revert the Vibrant back to JFD. What's that all about?
I am excluding the Froyo delays and the fact that the phone was released with Samsung being fully aware of the faulty GPS. Although these issues matter to many users, I knew full well that the phone was shipping with 2.1, with no definite timeframe for the update. Although I was unaware of the faulty GPS, I didn't think that Samsung would leave such a gaping functionality flaw unfixed.
Does the Vibrant make phone calls? It certainly does. However, it doesn't perform a couple of very basic advertised functions of a smartphone. Believe me, I really wanted to like the Vibrant. However, the experience became extremely frustrating.
If the fact that I disagree with Consumer Reports offends anyone, my sincerest apologies. Then again, there are plenty of Apple champions out there, who will consider any Apple product to be the greatest thing in the world, no matter how inferior it happens to be. I guess Android needs champions too. At least Consumer Reports didn't choose Apple.
The Vibrant is an awesome phone but I'm sure the MT4G would be on top if the article was updated.
Well I've only had the vibrant for 2 days and I've experienced pretty much everything you've laid out here. I agree the GPS does seem to be underpowered... it'll manage to claw its way up to seeing 12 satellites, then decide to just drop all but 1 and start from scratch again.
As for the lag... doesn't seem to be that big of an issue with me using bionix fusion but in stock form it felt considerably slower than my nexus one.
If I can't sort out the GPS I'm definitely switching to the MT4G.
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I am well aware that this is a Vibrant board, but why is it that every time someone says something negative about the Vibrant, they are immediately accused of trolling?
As far as the Vibrant's issues are concerned, I owned the phone since the day it was released and have experienced the following major issues:
1. Lag - caused by Samsung's RFS file system, this is not likely to be fixed, unless Samsung decides to do away with it.
2. GPS - the JI6 update enabled the phone to get a satellite lock, but accuracy (or lack thereof) is still a major issue. I live in NYC, so I've tested the updated GPS under various conditions. Although I wasn't expecting it to be accurate in midtown Manhattan, it suffered from inaccuracy elsewhere in the city as well. For example, on a drive to Brooklyn from Manhattan, the GPS would intermittently drop signal, despite the fact that it was a bright, sunny day and I had an unobstructed view of the sky. During the same drive, the GPS placed me in the middle of the bay that separates Brooklyn from Staten Island. During general use in Brooklyn, the GPS would constantly place me about 2-3 blocks away from my actual location. It has been speculated that the GPS receiver of the Galaxy S series is underpowered, which wouldn't be surprising.
3. Compass - still non-functional. I don't believe that it was addressed by the update.
4. Rampant bricking of phones by the JI6 update. Many of the bricked phones were completely stock (mine included), so user error is out of the question. Speaking of updates, I am still confused about the recent spate of "updates" that revert the Vibrant back to JFD. What's that all about?
I am excluding the Froyo delays and the fact that the phone was released with Samsung being fully aware of the faulty GPS. Although these issues matter to many users, I knew full well that the phone was shipping with 2.1, with no definite timeframe for the update. Although I was unaware of the faulty GPS, I didn't think that Samsung would leave such a gaping functionality flaw unfixed.
Does the Vibrant make phone calls? It certainly does. However, it doesn't perform a couple of very basic advertised functions of a smartphone. Believe me, I really wanted to like the Vibrant. However, the experience became extremely frustrating.
If the fact that I disagree with Consumer Reports offends anyone, my sincerest apologies. Then again, there are plenty of Apple champions out there, who will consider any Apple product to be the greatest thing in the world, no matter how inferior it happens to be. I guess Android needs champions too. At least Consumer Reports didn't choose Apple.
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Well I've only had the vibrant for 2 days and I've experienced pretty much everything you've laid out here. I agree the GPS does seem to be underpowered... it'll manage to claw its way up to seeing 12 satellites, then decide to just drop all but 1 and start from scratch again.
As for the lag... doesn't seem to be that big of an issue with me using bionix fusion but in stock form it felt considerably slower than my nexus one.
If I can't sort out the GPS I'm definitely switching to the MT4G.
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GPS has been fixed. It takes less than 7 seconds for lock for me since JI6. Actually, stock JI6 is a faster lock then when running Bionix. In Bionix it can sometimes take up to 10seconds when standing still, less when moving.
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So I'm going to be straight up with you guys... I (like many of you) have and many smartphones in the past. My last phone before the N1 was a iPhone 3G unlocked/jailbroken.
I loved the iPhone, however like most people I was fed up with not having background apps, Google Voice, and I really hate getting notifications on the iPhone... Yeah I jailbroke it so I could run apps in the background and get google voice, but it was still lacking. BUT it DID work, and worked so well than I rarely had to reset/reboot it. Also, the chance that an app you download will work is in the 99th percentile unlike Android apps.
BUT, I do love the N1... However I DO feel like every time I jump online and check out some of the websites (engadget, gizmodo, BRG, etc) I'm going to run across a new article putting shame on the N1... Today was one of those days regarding multitouch..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=player_embedded
other issues I have with the phone (STOCK ROM not unlocked) are:
-PDAnet won't work when I'm on a phone call, it seems like the phone drops to GPRS every fricken time! I've wiped my phone and ONLY installed PDA net to test it even
-Memory managment = with a iPhone you realistically never have to worry about memory regarding programs downloaded, Google needs to allow apps to SD card OUT OF THE BOX.
-Overall stability = I figure I have to reboot/reset my phone at least every other day due to it hanging up on something or just acting outright odd.. In my photo gallery it won't pull up some of my photos in full resolution, WTF~comon...
-Overall radio power = this phone just seems to suck ass with regards to getting a signal whether it's 3G or EDGE compared to most other phones.
So I'm hoping/thinking that the DESIRE might have some of these issues fixed. I'm really keeping an eye on it to see what transpires. So who's thinking the same???
I don't have my N1 yet, but if I don't have any issues - then I see no reason to ever switch to the Desire. I will, however, install the Desire ROM on my N1. So, I will have a NexusDesireOne lol. Everything on the Nexus One, plus Desire's Sense ~ that is good enough for me.
Given that I don't share any of your complaints, I don't care about the optical trackpad, and I very much like having 3G, I see no reason to switch to a Desire when it becomes available, especially since I'll be able to run its full ROM when it comes out (and the beta now).
Per your first point, for all of the bad press the Nexus One has received, I have not read a single bit of it that impacts my experience with the device. I was taken care of promptly when I called HTC to have my stock sleeve replaced, a radio update found here fixed my reception issues, my multitouch seems to be working just fine even if some developer found a way to make it look inferior to the Droid's implementation of it, and I could care less how many units Google moved.
The bottom line is what the phone does for YOU, and in my specific situation, it may very well be the best phone I've ever had.
I feel the same way, but it doesn't get around the multitouch issue and horrible radio signal issues.
I tell yeah, the one thing I was deathly scared of when I moved to the iPhone was typing on a touchscreen. But the iPhone keyboard rocks! To put it bluntly, the N1's keyboard is such garbage it's basically what I was expecting the iPhone to be like.
I think it's due to the lower quality touchscreen personally... I mean I see keys/letters getting pressed from the other side of the screen a LOT if I type fast...
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it may very well be the best phone I've ever had.
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What other phones HAVE you had?
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I feel the same way, but it doesn't get around the multitouch issue and horrible radio signal issues.
I tell yeah, the one thing I was deathly scared of when I moved to the iPhone was typing on a touchscreen. But the iPhone keyboard rocks! To put it bluntly, the N1's keyboard is such garbage it's basically what I was expecting the iPhone to be like.
I think it's due to the lower quality touchscreen personally... I mean I see keys/letters getting pressed from the other side of the screen a LOT if I type fast...
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I don;t have any of the problems you have.
My radio is workig fine.
I like the capacitive buttons on the N1. The Desire has a little more RAM which with my Cyanogen Kernel I don't think any more RAM is necesary. It's already overkill stock. Then throw Cyanogen on top of it and it's ridiculous how many apps I can have running. I had 49 apps running yesterday...that's retarded lol.
It has Sense UI which is nice but it's just software and can be built for the N1...Obviously.
Flash will be ready for N1 very very soon as mentioned by Adobe.
So there isn't really any reason to trade honestly.
People still complain about the radio issues but they fixed it when they released ERE27. I think people have munchausen syndrome. People have nothing to compare to, just complain. I have an N1, my cousin has an N1. My wife has my old MyTouch and I just sold my G1. I drove around Dallas, Texas with all three phones. No signal difference in the three. N1 dropped to Edge when the MyTouch did.
People don't understand that 3G coverage doesn't mean you're covered 100%, It means it's available in that area. If you lose signal then you get Edge.
What the hell for? It's the same hardware. I've got Sense on my N1 already. Plus, hardware buttons? Hideous. The only thing it has over the N1 is the trackpad, but that's all, not to mention that it lacks noise cancellation.
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Also, the chance that an app you download will work is in the 99th percentile unlike Android apps.
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All the apps I've ever downloaded work fine and do what they say on the tin.
BUT, I do love the N1... However I DO feel like every time I jump online and check out some of the websites (engadget, gizmodo, BRG, etc) I'm going to run across a new article putting shame on the N1... Today was one of those days regarding multitouch..
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And most of those are Apple fanboy sites. Particularly Gizmoduh and Boy Genius Retard. Your point?
-Memory managment = with a iPhone you realistically never have to worry about memory regarding programs downloaded, Google needs to allow apps to SD card OUT OF THE BOX.
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Cute, but if you jailbroke your iPhone I'm sure you wouldn't have qualms over rooting your Nexus. Apps2sd, the end.
-Overall stability = I figure I have to reboot/reset my phone at least every other day due to it hanging up on something or just acting outright odd.. In my photo gallery it won't pull up some of my photos in full resolution, WTF~comon...
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Huh? The only times I've had to reboot mine is when I'm flashing a new ROM and need to boot into recovery or whatever. Sounds like you're doing something fantastically wrong.
-Overall radio power = this phone just seems to suck ass with regards to getting a signal whether it's 3G or EDGE compared to most other phones.
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Flash ERE38 radio image. Done.
I think it's pretty funny reading the "outrage" of the multitouch thing.
uum, I've yet to even notice anything wrong.
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It's the same hardware.
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Not the same. It's similar. It has 64mb more RAM. Which I already stated my opinion on that a few posts prior to this one.
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I like the capacitive buttons on the N1.
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I prefer them to actual buttons.
At least thy can't wear out.
The buttons on my G1 were almost un-recognizable after 6 months.
tropmonky said:
I feel the same way, but it doesn't get around the multitouch issue and horrible radio signal issues.
I tell yeah, the one thing I was deathly scared of when I moved to the iPhone was typing on a touchscreen. But the iPhone keyboard rocks! To put it bluntly, the N1's keyboard is such garbage it's basically what I was expecting the iPhone to be like.
I think it's due to the lower quality touchscreen personally... I mean I see keys/letters getting pressed from the other side of the screen a LOT if I type fast...
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Please explain your "MultiTouch" issue because I have absolutely none. It's 100% responsive to everything I do with an instant response time. What are you trying to do with it?
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I feel the same way, but it doesn't get around the multitouch issue and horrible radio signal issues.
I tell yeah, the one thing I was deathly scared of when I moved to the iPhone was typing on a touchscreen. But the iPhone keyboard rocks! To put it bluntly, the N1's keyboard is such garbage it's basically what I was expecting the iPhone to be like.
I think it's due to the lower quality touchscreen personally... I mean I see keys/letters getting pressed from the other side of the screen a LOT if I type fast...
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So... use Swype?
Tropmonky is sounding more and more like a stray Apple fanboy
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What other phones HAVE you had?
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The one's that have mattered in the past few years start with the N95 (almost all versions of them), almost every high-end Symbian device to come out like the N97, i8910, etc., all three iPhone variants, and a few others in between.
With the exception of the lack of multimedia capabilities, the Nexus One has been my favorite. The i8910 was a close second specifically because of its multimedia capabilities.
i would not swap my N1. the desire lacks the noise cancelling mic. it has more ram but thats because it needs it to run sense ui. the nexus works perfectly and as someoo]ne mentioned above, every one of those sites u mentioned is a totally biased apple fanboi site- esp. engadget- i have lost all respect of them only reporting half a story and putting pro apple spins on everything.
i have perfect reception. as for MT i am not sure whatt the problem is- works perfectly for me.
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That's what I thought from the start. Whatever problems your average Nexus may have, having to reboot/reset constantly isn't one of them. ***** please, it's a *nix-based OS. Not saying everything Linux/*nix is a gift from god--I use Windows myself, being a gamer, and enjoy Win7 just fine--but Android is pretty damn stable. It's not a BB, here.
The Multitouch issue is a bug in the Sensor or driver that gives wrong positions under certain conditions. It seems to be a bug in all N1. It's not such a big deal if you don't play certain games but it's a bit annoying to know that it is there. The unfortunate thing is that I'm 100% sure that the Desire would have the same Screen with the same sensors and therefore the same bug.
The other things aren't such a big deal for me, or I never had any problems with it.
A lot of people complain about the reception, but coming from a blackberry bold, ERE27 is great. We have a tin roof, and no one could call me when i was at home on my BB.
I might do it if the 3G issue is not fixed. But so far google is being to send out replacements..
If I have a stock N1 can I flash the ERE38 without rooting?
I really like the hardware of the SGS, but man.. I've never used a phone so buggy.
1) GPS Problems
2) Lag problems
3) Freezes anytime signal is weak
4) Freezes when it feels like.
5) Four times I've lost all my data thanks to pulling the battery during a freeze
6) Build quality problems (as detailed from Paul @ Modaco)
It freezes for me fairly regularly. This is my second SGS. My first SGS froze constantly so I exchanged that, my new one only freezes a couple times a week. Today it froze and as usual I did the hold power button till it reboots...and it locks on reboot. Data corruption. yay. Fourth. ****ing. time.
I've had this phone 2 weeks and this is the 4th time I've had to start from scratch due to data corruption.
I'm going to flash a newer firmware on this and sell it. I love Android, but this phone is a ridiculous amount of grief.
I guess I'm just lucky, but I've had none of these problems other than the GPS which isn't very accurate.
Changing the software settings for this makes it usable, though not yet perfect.
I've yet to experience any lag and I've not experienced a lock up.
I've had none of theses issues either, aside from the GPS. My GPS works ok if im stopped but doesnt track so well if im moving.
Love mine. I have captivate. Honestly never seen the first hint of lag and the GPS will soon be fixed. I can say that I am pretty happy with it all and all.
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Love mine. I have captivate. Honestly never seen the first hint of lag and the GPS will soon be fixed. I can say that I am pretty happy with it all and all.
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i really find it hard to believe that you "have never seen first hint of lag"
i have a galaxy S, love the hardware, but Samsung has shown us how software can destroy even the mightiest of hardware
Gps issues yes, no other issues I'd call deal breaking by anymeans. 2 phones, same big issues....what have you been installing on it I wonder?
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I really like the hardware of the SGS, but man.. I've never used a phone so buggy.
1) GPS Problems
2) Lag problems
3) Freezes anytime signal is weak
4) Freezes when it feels like.
5) Four times I've lost all my data thanks to pulling the battery during a freeze
6) Build quality problems (as detailed from Paul @ Modaco)
It freezes for me fairly regularly. This is my second SGS. My first SGS froze constantly so I exchanged that, my new one only freezes a couple times a week. Today it froze and as usual I did the hold power button till it reboots...and it locks on reboot. Data corruption. yay. Fourth. ****ing. time.
I've had this phone 2 weeks and this is the 4th time I've had to start from scratch due to data corruption.
I'm going to flash a newer firmware on this and sell it. I love Android, but this phone is a ridiculous amount of grief.
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You sure we bought the same phone?
My GPS locks on after ~20 seconds and then there is no problems after that. I have not experienced one freeze (including this 'Freezes when signal is weak' -- which I think is absolute bull since my girlfriend's room is in the basement and I do not get a signal down there yet my phone performs perfectly fine), build quality is fine -- it's more durable than you think, and I haven't really experienced any lag.
Are you actually using the phone or are you just going by what forums/people say?
standards
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Gps issues yes, no other issues I'd call deal breaking by anymeans. 2 phones, same big issues....what have you been installing on it I wonder?
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no offense, but it all has to do with standards a person is used to.
if you're coming from windows mobile, the lags you experience when using SGS are okay
if you're coming from iphone, SGS lags like a *****. Aside from the open OS/closed OS debate, the fluidity and smoothness of iphone 3gs UI and the instant response you get when you click on an icon/app puts the SGS to shame. sometimes i had to wait for 5 seconds to get a response after i clicked an icon. this never happened with the 3GS no matter how big the app is
I had a 3GS, sold it and bought an SGS, and i know how both telephones handle
Edit: the above post refers to bell I9000, i have the regular I9000. I dont know if there is ahardware difference or samsung has rectified what they did wrong in the regular I900
What build quality issues? The other issues have been well documented and are fixable with some reasonable effort. The GPS fix is just around the corner.
I understand *****ing about other stuff but build quality? Its great imo. Just because the phone has a plastic back cover doesn't mean the quality is bad.
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no offense, but it all has to do with standards a person is used to.
if you're coming from windows mobile, the lags you experience when using SGS are okay
if you're coming from iphone, SGS lags like a *****. Aside from the open OS/closed OS debate, the fluidity and smoothness of iphone 3gs UI and the instant response you get when you click on an icon/app puts the SGS to shame. sometimes i had to wait for 5 seconds to get a response after i clicked an icon. this never happened with the 3GS no matter how big the app is
I had a 3GS, sold it and bought an SGS, and i know how both telephones handle
Edit: the above post refers to bell I9000, i have the regular I9000. I dont know if there is ahardware difference or samsung has rectified what they did wrong in the regular I900
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You don't specify anything; you just said 'I don't know how you guys gloss over this phone's dealbreaking flaws' referring to EVERY Galaxy S. I don't have any problems, just because you do doesn't mean everyone has the exact same problems and bought the exact same version as yours.
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You sure we bought the same phone?
My GPS locks on after ~20 seconds and then there is no problems after that. I have not experienced one freeze (including this 'Freezes when signal is weak' -- which I think is absolute bull since my girlfriend's room is in the basement and I do not get a signal down there yet my phone performs perfectly fine), build quality is fine -- it's more durable than you think, and I haven't really experienced any lag.
Are you actually using the phone or are you just going by what forums/people say?
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I have the phone. I've had it since August 5th. I'm glad you project your experience onto mine implying that mine do not exist. You do not have my phone. Until you do, you are a complete ass to assume I'm making these things up.
I was in Canadian Tire the other day and checked my phone--signal between 0 and 1 bar. Within 5 minutes, it locked up. When I visit my mom, her basement has poor reception. My phone locks up routinely down there. I don't care if you haven't experienced it, many of us have.
I personally have not YET had the build quality issues, which is why I said as detailed by Paul at MCR. It's like any phone with poor build quality though... chances are it will affect most of us.
everything will be fixed in due time...
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You don't specify anything; you just said 'I don't know how you guys gloss over this phone's dealbreaking flaws' referring to EVERY Galaxy S. I don't have any problems, just because you do doesn't mean everyone has the exact same problems and bought the exact same version as yours.
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Are you on crack? That wasn't my post.
have you tried any of the fixes in the development section?
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have you tried any of the fixes in the development section?
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Such as? I was running CFLagFix; when I tried to uninstall it to update to a new version it corrupted my phone. That was one of my wipes. It didn't really help the performance anyway TBH.
Yes I don't see any lag. I mean none. And I don't use a task killer and don't news to. I get paerfect signal at my apt at school: no freeze. I get no signal at my parents house at all:no freeze. I cluck on a icon: it opens the second I click it. I'm not big on toychwiz: Launcher Pro. Its a great phone. Love it. I have the Droid x also and still don't think that the x is even comparable. My two cents.
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Are you on crack? That wasn't my post.
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Look at the title of your topic; or did you just forget that was there?
I personally have not YET had the build quality issues, which is why I said as detailed by Paul at MCR. It's like any phone with poor build quality though... chances are it will affect most of us
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Dropped my phone plenty of times and have not experienced any set backs because of it. Dropped it on it's screen, side, etc; it's a sturdy phone. Just because it has the look and kind of feel of a cheap quality doesn't always mean it is.
I don't think anyone is glossing over anything. Half the posts on this forum are about lag and gps problems.
Thing is that you can fix both problems with easy one click things, and keeping on top of your firmware.
If you are getting lag to such extremes, and on two devices, its because your clogging up the memory with too much stuff running together.
You'll have some culture shock because up until recently iOs only runs one thing at a time, and hitting home closed things. Not so for android, and particularly things like browser windows and certain widgets can just eat your ram and cause the slow down. If its happening ' when it feels like it' then that's probably your culpret.
The sgs is not without its flaws but that's no excuse to treat her bad.
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Yes I don't see any lag. I mean none. And I don't use a task killer and don't news to. I get paerfect signal at my apt at school: no freeze. I get no signal at my parents house at all:no freeze. I cluck on a icon: it opens the second I click it. I'm not big on toychwiz: Launcher Pro. Its a great phone. Love it. I have the Droid x also and still don't think that the x is even comparable. My two cents.
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Then honestly, the only explanation is that Samsung has released I9000s with different hardware versions to rectify hardware problems
This is the only reason i see to explain people not having lag problems and apps opening the second you click them. I must be one of the unlucky guys with an early hardware version
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Then honestly, the only explanation is that Samsung has released I9000s with different hardware versions to rectify hardware problems
This is the only reason i see to explain people not having lag problems and apps opening the second you click them. I must be one of the unlucky guys with an early hardware version
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http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/US-...msung-Galaxy-S-explained-article-a_12223.html
It's true; there are different versions but they are vastly different in some cases (some have hard-keyboards while others are just a case difference).
Does it affect the hardware? Maybe in some cases but there are probably other details on the web somewhere.
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http://androidheadlines.com/2010/06/all-us-versions-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s-compared.html
The specs are almost identical in all phones except for some cameras and some storage, other than that, identical hardware wise.
For anyone trying to decide between the Evo and Epic, here is my take after having each for at least 2 weeks as my primary phone. These are just my opinions as everyone has different tastes
I must be an exception to the rule...I switched from a Palm Pre to the Epic for a couple weeks. I liked swype so much I decided to drop the epic for the evo.
After using an Evo for two weeks I traded it back for an Epic and I like the Epic much better for a few reasons.
First I didn't care for HTC Sense. I like the gallery, email, music player, calendar, and various apps included with the Epic better than HTC's versions. Also, HTC doesn't ship a file browser or task manager whereas Samsung does. Some people will say "just install one from the market" but those typically all have ads. I realize you can remove the ads with a host file, but that’s beside the point. These are basic OS functions that should be included.
Second the Epic feels much faster. Scrolling is smoother and games run better. Froyo or not, it’s faster.
Third…contrary to what you may believe it is MUCH easier to root an Epic. With the Epic you can essentially take the long way or the shortcut 1-click method but the Evo HW0004 currently there is only a long somewhat difficult root process.
Fourth, everyone complains that the dev community is so much better for the Evo. I would argue that this community is really top notch and has been extremely helpful and understanding to new users such as myself. I saw a lot more flaming going on in Evo forums.
Finally the hardware: Something overlooked by many, the Epic is way more comfortable to hold. Turns out rounded corners are round for a reason. After browsing the web & xda for about 30 min on the Evo I noticed the center of my palm, right where the bottom corner rests was a tad sore, almost felt bruised. This is not a problem with the Epic with its nicely rounded body and curved back. Also the earpiece is much better on the Epic, its louder clearer and is more comfortable up to the ear. And yes, the samoled screen is worth the 0.3” loss in size.
I wouldn't even consider the Evo Shift at this point. I'm shocked to see so many people recommending it over the Epic which to me is well worth the higher price.
If they fix the keyboard issues, GPS issues, and battery life issues I would agree with you that the Epic 4G is definitely the best phone on Sprint. If a Droid or the iPhone had even one of these issues, all of the media outlets would be up in arms and there would be mass returns. They are all MAJOR issues. For some reason, Samsung is allowed to get away with it on the Galaxy S devices. People are not really returning their devices in large numbers (as far as I know), and all of the reviewers gave the Galaxy S devices very high scores.
The reality is this is essentially a device with alpha or beta quality software on it, that is not getting fixed until at least six months after release. I am not buying Samsung again for mobile phones.
I have to agree with op. Best phone i ever had, and i have had quite a few smartphones. even before official froyo, it runs much smoothr than the few evos i played with. Gps, keyboard is perfect for me. And the screen is amazing.....
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Stock Evo vs. Epic battery life is within 5% I would say. I couldn't tell any difference in my usage. Probably because I am almost always within Wi-fi range which makes a big difference.
Keyboard on the Epic doesn't impress, I'll agree with you. Thats probably why I use swype most of the time. It is very handy to punch in passwords though.
GPS is better on the Evo. If you are a road warrior I would avoid the Galexy S line. That said, if you enable GPS & wireless networks it will place you on the map within 30 seconds, but it is definitely not as accurate as the Evo. Supposedly Samsung is working on improvements.
Thanks for bringing up some points I didn't include!
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If they fix the keyboard issues, GPS issues, and battery life issues I would agree with you that the Epic 4G is definitely the best phone on Sprint. If a Droid or the iPhone had even one of these issues, all of the media outlets would be up in arms and there would be mass returns. They are all MAJOR issues. For some reason, Samsung is allowed to get away with it on the Galaxy S devices. People are not really returning their devices in large numbers (as far as I know), and all of the reviewers gave the Galaxy S devices very high scores.
The reality is this is essentially a device with alpha or beta quality software on it, that is not getting fixed until at least six months after release. I am not buying Samsung again for mobile phones.
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A. The keyboard is the only legitimate argument you have here.
B. Most users who buy the epic(and yes, the users who root and are members of this forum are the minority) do not see a GPS problem. I didn't even notice one till I started reading this forum and trying to replicate the problem. I have two friends with Epics, and they have never complained of the GPS not working.
C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life.
If you go to the Droid forums you will see complaints as well, however because 80% of the public does not have the same demand as the users of forums like this, the complaints are not escalated as highly. The high end techies complain about everything that is not perfect, cause techies are never satisfied, I should know, I am in that boat. However, that does not mean we are holding a inferior piece of hardware/software. Outside of this forum, I have never met a normal person dissatisfied with their Epic or Evo.
I was in a sprint store last week getting a replacement Epic so while waiting i did about 15 seperate 4g bandwidth tests with the floor demo and my replacement Epic comparing it it side to side with the Evo. I'm disappointed to say not only did the Evo best the Epic every time in some instances it nearly doubled the speed. It regularly was 1-3 megabits a second faster and the fastest speed for a Epic was 7.2 megs and the Evo was 10 megs. I also noticed that even though we were in a full coverage area the Epic would go from full to no bars for some unknown reason. The Evo must have a better antenna or the Epic has some reception issues. Has anyone else tested this out?
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...C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life...
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I'm going to chime in here and state that the Epic's 45-nm S5PC110 is ~20% more power efficient than the EVO's 65-nm QSD8650. The SAMOLED on the Epic does eat more juice than the EVO's LCD when cranked all the way up or when displaying lots of white pages, but when displaying dark colors and blacks it can sip less energy.
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A. The keyboard is the only legitimate argument you have here.
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Agreed, the keyboard is junk on this device. I am not sure if it is software, hardware, or both that causes the missed keys. Hopefully it is just software issues...
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B. Most users who buy the epic(and yes, the users who root and are members of this forum are the minority) do not see a GPS problem. I didn't even notice one till I started reading this forum and trying to replicate the problem. I have two friends with Epics, and they have never complained of the GPS not working.
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I can see how for some people, the GPS issues are not a big deal, but it is for people who do not want to do any sort of hacking whatsoever to help decrease the long lock times. Not the end of the world, I'll grant you that, but my point is that this would not be accepted on any other major mobile phone, so why is it so accepted on the Galaxy S devices? Look at how up in arms people were about the iPhone 4's relatively minor "death grip" problem.
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C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life.
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When it works as it should, it can have great battery life (mine under DK28 works great and I get around 20 to 30 hours on a charge with moderate usage). That being said, there are problems in the software that, on some phones under certain conditions, cause absurdly bad battery life (10% battery drain or more per hour while idle, which is how mine was until I upgraded to DK28 and how my friends' Fascinates are) and cause the phone to heat up considerably while idle. I have only ever heard of this happening with Galaxy S phones. Either way, frequent updates from Samsung and getting the latest Android release reasonably fast would mitigate this complaint for me, but that doesn't happen, so it is a legitimate complaint.
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If you go to the Droid forums you will see complaints as well, however because 80% of the public does not have the same demand as the users of forums like this, the complaints are not escalated as highly. The high end techies complain about everything that is not perfect, cause techies are never satisfied, I should know, I am in that boat. However, that does not mean we are holding a inferior piece of hardware/software. Outside of this forum, I have never met a normal person dissatisfied with their Epic or Evo.
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I will agree that many people expect too much out of their smart phones. 20 to 30 hours is not enough for many people. That being said, 10 hour battery life doing absolutely nothing with the phone is completely ridiculous, and it is a legitimate software problem with the Galaxy S devices.
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I believe every phone's capabilities have to do with their "abuse" levels. Higher the abuse, lower the satisfaction. And, with higher abuse there will be more frequent visits to the Sprint store than usual.
I got my Epic on the day it came out (8/30/2010) and I have to admit this is a very beautiful phone with nice features. And the custom roms just spice it up even more (with less abuse of course)
If you have 10% drain an hour then you have app issues or something running in the background. On eclair I was getting 60 - 80 hours with no problem. On froyo it has been 20 - 30 hours now with ext 4 its up to 55 hours
Our stock standby time is 300 hours evo is like 200.
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Since im replying from my phone and I don't feel like editing a quote I'll just say that the gps is a MAJOR issue as I was never able to use it until I started having my phone. Considering gps is such a basic feature nowadays that is unacceptable.
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so far so good
I'm always tempted by the path not chosen, but so far the Epic has done everything I've needed it to do.
I drive for a living, and while the GPS does take time to lock, it does lock. Otherwise I can find myself on the map and plot my route on the map to at least start my travels until it does lock. I consider this to be standard GPS protocol :/
I could really care less about the keyboard, but for some reason Sprint has designated the slider as their form factor of choice since the PPC-6700. It misses keys, and I thought it was just me, but I'll just have to factor that in and type more carefully. But only the form factor and the OS have been real temptations for me.
I was in the market to replace my Flip camera, and when i saw the video comparisons between the Evo and the Epic, I knew I would be very disappointed with the Evo. And while it may not matter to some, I appreciate the dedicated 2 step camera button.
I'm also feel I'm in the minority when I say that I really like plug location. I leave the phone plugged in while I drive, and it's nice to not have to stow the phone upside down and have to hold it around the plug. This has been a plus with every Samsung phone I have had, the ability to charge it in the upright position. And I cannot tell you how much I adore the slide cover of the plug.
The screen looks great from any angle even in bright light I can see it better than I could ever see the screen on my TP2.
Now, is the phone light and cheap feeling? Possibly. But I would rather drop a light phone than a heavy phone. Think about it. I already dropped it once trying to take a picture of something on the floor. Wood floor, no harm, lesson learned. But the phone seems well put together, and it should last at least the year before I can upgrade to, whatever.
4G, eh, whatever. I play with it in Chicago, and it's iffy at best. They basically tacked on an extra radio, and I mostly pretend it's not there. However, it does grant the ability to do simultaneous voice and data, which will be a plus if this network ever expands and takes hold.
So even though I am sick to death of waiting for Froyo since I'm checking on it every day, I still know I made the right choice as far as what Sprint has to offer.
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I also noticed that even though we were in a full coverage area the Epic would go from full to no bars for some unknown reason.
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This happens to me all the time. Months ago there were some posts postulating that this problem may be because the Epic's network defaults to "WCDMA preferred" under the advanced network settings, and WCDMA, despite its name, is actually a protocol for GSM phones, not CDMA phones. The thought is that it preferentially periodically goes looking for these networks it cannot connect to.
I have found that switching this setting to "CDMA auto" causes my "time without signal" to drop from ~50% to about 4%, so there's probably something to that argument. Unfortunately the phone seems to change itself back, especially when it reboots, and in any case I still get the bars dropping away quite often, even after changing this.
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I'm also feel I'm in the minority when I say that I really like plug location. I leave the phone plugged in while I drive, and it's nice to not have to stow the phone upside down and have to hold it around the plug.
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I also like the plug where it is, though I didn't think I would when I got it. It is so much nicer than a bottom or side plug, not only when plugged into the car, but also when plugged in anywhere else, especially at the computer.
I really like my Epic over the Evo. My cuz has an Evo and it looks and feels so big and square, I really don't think I'd like carrying that thing in my pocket, like I carry my Evo. And for me, Evo's screen is actually larger than needed. I lived without a keyboard for two years with my HTC Touch and now, I can't go without a keyboard. I personally find Swype to be inaccurate and I constantly had to make adjustments. I use the android keyboard when not typing on the keyboard.
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This happens to me all the time. Months ago there were some posts postulating that this problem may be because the Epic's network defaults to "WCDMA preferred" under the advanced network settings, and WCDMA, despite its name, is actually a protocol for GSM phones, not CDMA phones. The thought is that it preferentially periodically goes looking for these networks it cannot connect to.
I have found that switching this setting to "CDMA auto" causes my "time without signal" to drop from ~50% to about 4%, so there's probably something to that argument. Unfortunately the phone seems to change itself back, especially when it reboots, and in any case I still get the bars dropping away quite often, even after changing this.
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I too noticed that in the settings. When I switch to CDMA auto, the bars were almost always full or close to full even when I was in areas that historically gave me a bad signal. Unfortunately, the phone swtiches back to WCDMA and I go back to my normal, high-and-low signal.
One final note as I am actually switching to an evo today. On the topic of task killers the one included with the epic is crap. It does not show programs samsung does not want you ending and so I've always used advanced task killer. To me GPS that works and manufacturer support far outweigh the need for a manufacturer supplied task killer.
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One final note as I am actually switching to an evo today. On the topic of task killers the one included with the epic is crap. It does not show programs samsung does not want you ending and so I've always used advanced task killer. To me GPS that works and manufacturer support far outweigh the need for a manufacturer supplied task killer.
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I think I'm switching to the Epic but I haven't considered the GPS issue. I just assume I'll get a good one. lol. To me, the screen, the still and video camera are reasons to switch. Though the dev community doesn't seem as robust for Epic and the manufacturer support clearly isn't there as well.
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I think I'm switching to the Epic but I haven't considered the GPS issue. I just assume I'll get a good one. lol. To me, the screen, the still and video camera are reasons to switch. Though the dev community doesn't seem as robust for Epic and the manufacturer support clearly isn't there as well.
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You can get GPS working you just have to be on DK28. If you like the phone by all means get it. It comes down to opinions and my opinion is that there really isn't anything I like about the Epic. Its got great graphics and a good camera but I have a 42" flatscreen+a PS3 for gaming and I have a 12mp camera for pictures, I don't need my phone to do those things. Sure, having a hardware keyboard is great but considering I have to slow my typing speed down so I don't miss letters and how much I've come to love swype I don't really want/need it anymore. I've said this in the Evo Shift vs Epic thread and I'll say it here: Go try both phones. If you like one more than the other, buy it. Manufacturers and Carriers are always going to skew their descriptions and spec sheets to get you to buy something, so just go with what you want.
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If you have 10% drain an hour then you have app issues or something running in the background. On eclair I was getting 60 - 80 hours with no problem. On froyo it has been 20 - 30 hours now with ext 4 its up to 55 hours
Our stock standby time is 300 hours evo is like 200.
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I am not quite sure exactly what it is, but it seems to be restricted to Galaxy S phones. I spent quite a lot of time trying to figure out what was causing it on my phone, and while I have heard of people like you who got good battery life in 2.1, everyone I know who has a Galaxy S device has this issue. Judging by the fact that for me and others, 2.2 has cleared up the issue, I am guessing there is a fix specifically for this in that update.
For the record, I once ran logcat to see if I could pinpoint the issue. It seemed that Google Sync was querying Google's servers CONSTANTLY even though I had configured to push in GMail, so it could be an issue with Android or the GMail app itself, but why it seems to manifest on Galaxy S devices with alarming frequency is beyond me.
One is the Vibrant closest to the building literally a few feet from where i was standing by the entrance to the breeze way, im running the latest Malice no mods other than i run the Bullit Kernel.
The other is the G2 Running the latest CM7 release on the newest Radio with correct libs, you can see how much farther away..
Even walking around the Vibrants GPS stayed a closer lock. Now i will say it did take the Vibrant did take a few more seconds to lock.. but only seconds...
EDIT: i will say that it wasn't untill we started into 2.2 that this got better.. but this is the first time i made a side by side comparison with the G2..
I've had good luck with my gps, I've gotten down to 14.4 feet accuracy with GPS Test in my front yard, and Tracking on Google maps is almost dead nuts. But if its a cloudy day, which its more often then not these last few months in Washington, my gps doesn't work for crap, Locks take like 30 seconds, tracking is Horrible, accuracy of 200 feet.
Say what you want, but the fact is that the GPS on the G1 (a phone that is two years older) completely destroys any GPS+fix on the Vibrant.
Its a well known, and rarely disputed weakness for the Vibrant. Shame on Samsung for not doing more rigorous testing of the chipset or not taking the chipset manufacturer to task.
Just because another phone's GPS sucks more than the Vibrant doesn't mean the Vibrant has good GPS.
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Say what you want, but the fact is that the GPS on the G1 (a phone that is two years older) completely destroys any GPS+fix on the Vibrant.
Its a well known, and rarely disputed weakness for the Vibrant. Shame on Samsung for not doing more rigorous testing of the chipset or not taking the chipset manufacturer to task.
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speak for yourself. when i compared them my vibrant was better than my g1. the vibrant was also better than my wife's cliq and mt slide (granted, these two aren't amazing phones, i've never heard of gps complaints with them).
my only complaint about gps is mine doesn't currently work on my vibrant (cm7).
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speak for yourself. when i compared them my vibrant was better than my g1. the vibrant was also better than my wife's cliq and mt slide (granted, these two aren't amazing phones, i've never heard of gps complaints with them).
my only complaint about gps is mine doesn't currently work on my vibrant (cm7).
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Strange. I have a MT3G Slide as well, and its GPS destroys my Vibrant's.
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Strange. I have a MT3G Slide as well, and its GPS destroys my Vibrant's.
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well, based on xda posts, i'm a minority to begin with cause i've never really had problems with my gps on my vibrant.
and how exactly does it 'destroy' the vibrant's gps?
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well, based on xda posts, i'm a minority to begin with cause i've never really had problems with my gps on my vibrant.
and how exactly does it 'destroy' the vibrant's gps?
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It is significantly faster and more accurate than my particular Vibrant. I have a July 2010 model though...that may be why.
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My GPS is good too. Granted it does take a up to a few minutes to lock, when it does, its dead accurate and consistent.
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Say what you want, but the fact is that the GPS on the G1 (a phone that is two years older) completely destroys any GPS+fix on the Vibrant.
Its a well known, and rarely disputed weakness for the Vibrant. Shame on Samsung for not doing more rigorous testing of the chipset or not taking the chipset manufacturer to task.
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I've proven otherwise. I don't feel like sifting through my posts, but I have pictures of the two side-by-side with wifi off running GPSTest and in Google Maps. The Vibrant was closer.
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My GPS is good too. Granted it does take a up to a few minutes to lock, when it does, its dead accurate and consistent.
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I wish. I'm on my third and they have all suffered from long lock, inability to maintain lock (losing signal all together) lastly, while locked and navigating it will jump locations.
I don't think any GPS has zero issues but the amount of issues I have had with all three Vibrants leads me to think it's hardware and broken.
I do find it amazing that there are such varying views on the Vibrants GPS, but after three units I gave up trying to get a good one.
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I wish. I'm on my third and they have all suffered from long lock, inability to maintain lock (losing signal all together) lastly, while locked and navigating it will jump locations.
I don't think any GPS has zero issues but the amount of issues I have had with all three Vibrants leads me to think it's hardware and broken.
I do find it amazing that there are such varying views on the Vibrants GPS, but after three units I gave up trying to get a good one.
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i find the varying experience strange as well. but i've had mine since release and the gps has always worked (though, it improved after flashing from stock 2.1).
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It is significantly faster and more accurate than my particular Vibrant. I have a July 2010 model though...that may be why.
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My Samsung Jack, HTC Aria, HTC HD2, and HTC HD7 destroy both of our Vibrants here when it comes to the GPS. The HTC HD# phones especially... They embarass it in Accuracy and Lock Speeds. It isn't even comparable.
I've been through 3 Vibrants and there is another in use here, so I'm pretty sure it's not a lemon device issue. The GPS is just very bad on these phones.
But who cares... The phone is almost old now and many people with it are already eying an upgrade. I think most of us have learned to accept it and moved on from complaining about it - months ago...
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My GPS is good too. Granted it does take a up to a few minutes to lock, when it does, its dead accurate and consistent.
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That means your GPS is terrible.
When you turn it on and want to use a Location App that relies on GPS data, you have to wait a few minutes for it to lock and get an accurate location? 3 minutes to do a Foursquare/Facebook checkin? Lol...
That is "good" to you?
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I've proven otherwise. I don't feel like sifting through my posts, but I have pictures of the two side-by-side with wifi off running GPSTest and in Google Maps. The Vibrant was closer.
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The Accuracy has never been that big of an issue for me, it's the lock speeds. But the Vibrant has never been as accurate as my other phones.
At stop lights the GPS goes crazy more than occasionally, and it loses its lock.
When it loses it's lock, that means you have to wait forever for it to lock again.
The slow lock speeds also means every task that depends on GPS data is ridiculously slow to accomplish compared to phones with a good GPS in them.
Most people who need a good GPS in their phone don't necessarily need the phone to just sit there giving them directions. They need it for apps like Foursquare, Loopt, Layer, Facebook Checkin, Localized Tweets, sharing location data in messaging applications, and embedding location data in photos.
With the Vibrant's lock speeds, it's almost useless for much of that.
I've also owned Blackberries (9300, 9780 Curve/Bold) and the GPS outperformed the Vibrant.
Another thing I noticed is that the Vibrant battery life with GPS on is significantly worse than other phones. I've never thought to turn my phone's GPS off, ever, until I got this phone...
My GPS has worked fine since, since, well I can't remember when. I just know it's been working great since I stopped obsessing over it's 3 meter accuracy. The compass could be better but whatever. Who gives a flying flip if it takes 5 seconds longer to lock than my Droid X? I'd still choose this over any current motorola, and HTC phone currently on the market. It's not a GPS device; It's a smartphone.
Unfortunately a lot of smartphone apps rely on GPS and an extra 5 seconds to lock everytime you check in, take a picture, want to get accurate location-guided results, etc. is a pain in the ass.
It may not seem like a lot at first (it's more than 5 seconds, factorably more, but I don't wanna deal with that right now), but at the end of a day it has done nothing more than degrade the user experience and waste a factorable amount of cumulative time.
You have to alter all of your usage patterns to account for the faulty GPS.
It's an issue, but I can care less. That's why I got another phone: so I didn't have to sweat it
WOW, it is crazy how much variety there is in not only accuracy but lock times as well.. I just pulled out my G1 and my MT3G and neither of them locked faster than the vibrant, but those showed me standing in the same spot as the vibrant.. LOL the G2 is still way off...
As for jumping at red lights.. i just figured that was normal since even my G1 and MT3G where the same (i mean by a few feet when stopped)... lol guess i was wrong ha..
So what do you guys think? Do you think the SGS II will have GPS issues? or has Sammy learned?
I am fyi a Samsung supporter, i honestly watched and laughed so hard about people crying over updates when other phones from more popular companies did it as-well.. Every one should know it is totally up to your provider.. ok enough on a tangent..
Just for comparisions sake, I have both a Vibrant and a MT4G. The vibrant running Trigger 3.2 gets an average 15 foot lock which is the best of any rom. The MT4G gets a 3 foot lock. Yes 3 foot. Simply amazing.
BTW dont ever rely on any phones gps when traveling. When you are out of cell reception you also lose your gps. You could end up hopelessly lost or worse. If you need gps that bad, I recommend a real gps device. While gps is good for around town don't risk yours and your families lives. Most of the horror stories you read about in the news with people getting lost using gps are usually phone gps.
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billwinkle said:
Just for comparisions sake, I have both a Vibrant and a MT4G. The vibrant running Trigger 3.2 gets an average 15 foot lock which is the best of any rom. The MT4G gets a 3 foot lock. Yes 3 foot. Simply amazing.
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Thats good stuff.. Question, arnt the MT4G and the G2 almost the same phone? If so whys it so much better than my G2.. LoL
the issues out? is it working as well as could be expected?
i had a vibrant, the gps was worthless, i waited for about 6 months but they never got it right - so i dumped it. curious if sammy did manage to fix it with software updates
tks in advance
It is fixed yes, I get locks very quickly now, 15-30 seconds from dead to lock.... never fails me anymore. The GPS fixes that have been developed work well.
try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878970&highlight=gps+fix
if step number one didnt work, number two WILL do it.
The Original Ralph said:
the issues out? is it working as well as could be expected?
i had a vibrant, the gps was worthless, i waited for about 6 months but they never got it right - so i dumped it. curious if sammy did manage to fix it with software updates
tks in advance
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No. I've done all the supposed fixes. Do not believe the reports that the Vibrant GPS is "fine". I've had a Vibrant for a year, and just got a Sensation. I now get typical lock times under 10sec with 3m accuracy. Using Google Nav or My Tracks there's no comparison. Try another phone with a properly working GPS and you'll know why the Vibrant is a disgrace to the term GPS.
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No. I've done all the supposed fixes. Do not believe the reports that the Vibrant GPS is "fine". I've had a Vibrant for a year, and just got a Sensation. I now get typical lock times under 10sec with 3m accuracy. Using Google Nav or My Tracks there's no comparison. Try another phone with a properly working GPS and you'll know why the Vibrant is a disgrace to the term GPS.
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Then go troll the Sensation forum - no need for the nastiness here.
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Then go troll the Sensation forum - no need for the nastiness here.
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What "nastiness"? Accurately pointing out an actual flaw isn't nasty, unless you're hyper-defensive. Not a troll. I own the Vibrant. He asked, I answered.
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Then go troll the Sensation forum - no need for the nastiness here.
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Get over yourself. The Galaxy S has a well known GPS flaw. If your butt is too hurt to be reminded of it then stay off the forums.
wow - like Yogi Berra used to say
"this is like deja vu, all over again"
tks for the responses -
i missed the display on the vibrant and was looking at one of the newer sammy models, but figured i'd check to see if they corrected the issues on the model they pumped 10 million units out onto the market, before pulling the trigger.
Yawn, I can safely say on all 11 vibrant i've done the GPS locks in under 30 seconds everytime, all the time...
So you enjoy your sensation, i'll enjoy my galaxy that now locks like yours but has a sexy ass screen that even your sister creams over.
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Yawn, I can safely say on all 11 vibrant i've done the GPS locks in under 30 seconds everytime, all the time...
So you enjoy your sensation, i'll enjoy my galaxy that now locks like yours but has a sexy ass screen that even your sister creams over.
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Lock time is useless if the accuracy is bad. My Vibrant locks in 30 sec or so consistently as well. But it also randomly jumps to some other block when using Google Nav and starts blurting out bogus recalculating instructions. Sometimes it's fine, then the next day it will just blow up for no apparent reason.
I was in NYC for a week a month ago trying to use it for walking navigation. It was virtually useless. Consistently had me at least a block from my actual location, and the compass would either continuously spin or flip 180 degrees every 10 seconds.
I walk daily and often use My Tracks. I've seen many samples to compare the Vibrant to the Sensation and the difference is a revelation. The Vibrant often just drops the track part way through, and even when it holds it wanders around the actual path like a drunk. The Sensation tracks me nearly perfectly.
This has nothing to do with signal strength or the number of sats seen. After doing the HW fix my Vibrant SNR is at least as good if not slightly better than the Sensation. But the basic location accuracy is just flaky as h#ll. The Sensation locks and just sticks to my location.
If reports like mine were rare, I'd consider it's my phone, or some small percentage. But I've seen reports like this 100 times. Once you see what phone GPS is capable of you'll know how bad the Vibrant really is.
Regarding the screen, unless you own both you have no idea what you're talking about. Higher resolution, qHD, and more accurate, natural colors. I'd never go back. But love the one you're with, even if she is your sister...
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Lock time is useless if the accuracy is bad. My Vibrant locks in 30 sec or so consistently as well. But it also randomly jumps to some other block when using Google Nav and starts blurting out bogus recalculating instructions. Sometimes it's fine, then the next day it will just blow up for no apparent reason.
I was in NYC for a week a month ago trying to use it for walking navigation. It was virtually useless. Consistently had me at least a block from my actual location, and the compass would either continuously spin or flip 180 degrees every 10 seconds.
I walk daily and often use My Tracks. I've seen many samples to compare the Vibrant to the Sensation and the difference is a revelation. The Vibrant often just drops the track part way through, and even when it holds it wanders around the actual path like a drunk. The Sensation tracks me nearly perfectly.
This has nothing to do with signal strength or the number of sats seen. After doing the HW fix my Vibrant SNR is at least as good if not slightly better than the Sensation. But the basic location accuracy is just flaky as h#ll. The Sensation locks and just sticks to my location.
If reports like mine were rare, I'd consider it's my phone, or some small percentage. But I've seen reports like this 100 times. Once you see what phone GPS is capable of you'll know how bad the Vibrant really is.
Regarding the screen, unless you own both you have no idea what you're talking about. Higher resolution, qHD, and more accurate, natural colors. I'd never go back. But love the one you're with, even if she is your sister...
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My accuracy is within 25ft indoors. I'll tell you what it's damn close enough. My navigation once in a blue moon will stray, but will pop right back on course in a few seconds.
Im not saying the vibrants GPS is perfect, but it's been fixed. I don't think it'll get much better than it is now either. I have one of the first vibrants, which supposedly they had fixed the hardware GPS or something later on (after november builds I believe???) but it still has problems.
Once I applied the GPS fix on CM7 man it's sexy as hell.
I'm sorry for the people that have issues. Is it perfect? No, it isn't. As someone that has owned a Vibrant from release date and that had ZERO GPS performance, I consider the attached to be a huge improvement. I usually have accuracy between 4.7M-6M. That's not fantastic, but it's better than nothing.
A lot of Dev work has been done. A lot of effort has gone into the Hardware Fix by many different people (I know I've been inside my Vibrant 7-8 different times). If you've done the hardware fix and you've flashed one of the two gps.fix zip's out there and it still doesn't work for you, then all I can say is flash your kernel again and flash the gps.zip. In addition to that, WE ALL KNEW ABOUT THE ISSUE when we either bought our phones or shortly after we started using them. We ALL decided to keep the device because the other features outweighed the GPS issues. Does it suck? Yeah, it does. It's a ridiculous feature to not have right. It's worse than when an iPhone didn't have copy/paste and MMS. I feel the pain, trust me. I travel constantly for work, I use GPS a LOT. I get it. But at this point, it's gone from beating a dead horse to beating a dead horse skeleton.
Another thing, Samsung will never be able to "fix" current Vibrants. I fully believe that stepped into a deal with a supplier that supplied a faulty, subpar GPS Receiver. If the hardware is flaky then it's flaky. No amount of contact bending/replacing or firmware tweaking will fully compensate for that fact. When you accept it for what it is, you decide to just deal with it until the next device you want comes out (in my case, it's the fabled Nexus Prime). There are WAY to many people that need to just let go of crap they can't control and move on. Being mad at Samsung on a message board doesn't fix it.
One final tip before you ditch your Vibrant, try a different Kernel. For example, the firmware GPS fixes don't really agree with Bali Kernels and Bionix 1.3.1 on my handset. But it does work great when I flash Overstock 2.4.1 instead.
There's a relationship between your ROM and Kernel selection. Experiment and find what works, or ditch the phone.
Look for anyone who the GPS is not working and is running CM7, do me a favor and go here:
At the bottom I have a direct download to CM7 with the GPS fix built in.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1182735
I have replaced the gps file and put my own config file in. It's running Nightly #56, and i'm getting locks fast...
I put it up earlier, but so far nobody has posted back. I tried it and am using it myself, GPS works great.
Someone please try and let me know! No need to modify anything.
I'm curious, did they fix the GPS for the Samsung Galaxy S 4G since its the newer galaxy model? If so, I'll purchase that one right away instead of the Vibrant.
The Original Ralph said:
"this is like deja vu, all over again"
tks for the responses -
i missed the display on the vibrant and was looking at one of the newer sammy models, but figured i'd check to see if they corrected the issues on the model they pumped 10 million units out onto the market, before pulling the trigger.
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if you miss the display, grab the SGS 4g, SGS 2 or the Nexus S.
Battery on both of those is fixed.
No, Samsung did not fix the GPS....it's a fundamental flaw with their GPS supplier that will never go away. Refurbished units get better GPS but nothing near as fast and accurate as other phones.
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No, Samsung did not fix the GPS....it's a fundamental flaw with their GPS supplier that will never go away. Refurbished units get better GPS but nothing near as fast and accurate as other phones.
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GPS is good enough never had problem
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Yeah, it got fixed in later production
I lost my phone in June, got a replacement via insurance. The new one locks GPS in under 10 seconds, decent accuracy. It's considerably better than my first Vibrant, which could take over a minute to lock.