Hi guys,
Im new to the Android scene, and thats because of the N1 got my nexus on order and should arrive shorty in the following week. Been reading the threads here over the last week or so, but alot of things aren't quite clear to me. Especially because im a Android noobie (previous WinMo )
Anyways reading about the Unlocking bootloader and Rooting the device seems pretty straight forward. I understand the consequences of each part and thus appears to be pretty easily done.
The things that i am unclear about are the addon packs and the things it comes bundled with?
- What are the current benefits from flashing these "addon" packs?
- They aren't ROM's just kind of expansion packs right? so no lost data after?
- Wtf is adb? lol i keep seeing it but no idea what it is, thus confusing for noobies like me.
- In cyanogens thread here it says backup using Nandroid, and when i find Nandroid in google i get this. But it says for G1? will it still work fine?
Thankyou for any answers as I believe you will help me to NOT mess up my new phone. I'm sure alot of other people would be thankful for your answers.
Thankyou again!
Hello,
First off welcome to Android, second, get the fire suit on for the "wrong forum" flames.
What are the current benefits from flashing these "addon" packs?
Not a *ton* but there is Tether and other goodies that you can start using.
- They aren't ROM's just kind of expansion packs right? so no lost data after?
Yes to 1st, and there will be lost data when you unlock the bootloader.. if you unocked the bootloader, and then used the phone for a week or so, THEN flashed this addon pack, then no data loss.- Wtf is adb? lol i keep seeing it but no idea what it is, thus confusing for noobies like me.
Android Debug Bridge... its used for debugging. lol....- In cyanogens thread here it says backup using Nandroid, and when i find Nandroid in google i get this. But it says for G1? will it still work fine?
No, the Nandroid backup will be an option AFTER you unlock the BL and install Amon_RA's Recovery image..
Good luck man!!
thanks for the reply.
I'm trying to gather as much as i can before i get the phone in my hands. Maybe because i want to start right away when i get hold of the phone lol You have enlightened me on many points.
I was just wondering also,
I've read about apps such as Nexus Torch and SetCPU which require rooting. Are these apps aquired simply after I unlock + root from the market place? because i read about reinstall su and similar.
Sorry for the noobiness, as i've mentioned im a android beginner and not too familiar with the terms used.
I just want to install some cool apps and convert those iphone users......(my gf )
No they're not required. Rooting is really only for the hardcore phone nerd (which is probably why you're on this site!) I personally am holding off on rooting my N1 until it's fully understood on if it can be re-locked etc. If this is your first Android phone I would recommend doing some reading around on the G1 forum and understand the full capabilities of rooting your device and some neat apps.
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mis-read what you said. Those apps can be obtained from the "Makin Bacon" add on somewhere on this forum. Cyanogen posted it up.
SystmDcln said:
No they're not required. Rooting is really only for the hardcore phone nerd (which is probably why you're on this site!) I personally am holding off on rooting my N1 until it's fully understood on if it can be re-locked etc. If this is your first Android phone I would recommend doing some reading around on the G1 forum and understand the full capabilities of rooting your device and some neat apps.
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mis-read what you said. Those apps can be obtained from the "Makin Bacon" add on somewhere on this forum. Cyanogen posted it up.
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I'm doing the same thing as this guy. I'm super hardcore about customization so I have no doubt that I'll root my phone eventually but not quite yet. Things are still a bit too new and right now there really aren't that many reasons to root (outside of tethering support IMO). If you can live without tethering for a month, then you should wait to root.
welcome
addon packs do a few things to your phone. the biggest things, i think, are the busybox and the dropbear installations, and the tethering apps. some modders also like to "optimize" android too. whether or not it actually works, i can't personally tell, but i take their word for it.
busybox will allow you to run some common linux commands on your android (with a terminal app i guess...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox
dropbear is an ssh server so that you can access the command line (and push files to your android) from your computer
tethering means share your cell connection with a computer to give your computer internet. i've used it in many airports, and it's sweet.
like the other dude said, the initial root will require a data wipe, but not the addons. i'm not sure if it's true for EVERY rom (i think it is) but when you first install a whole rom a wipe is required, but when upgrading to a newer version of the same rom no wipe is required. if you like to keep your sms and mms's then it's good to have some of these linux tools so you can move and replace the sms and mms databases manually.
adb is android debugging bridge. it's a part of the android sdk (software development kit) that google gives out for free and is meant to develop apps. with it you can plug your phone into your comp via USB and run all sorts of commands on it from your computer. droidexplorer is basically a GUI for the adb commands, so with ADB you can do all that droidexplorer can do. http://de.codeplex.com/
nandroid is kind of like "system restore" for android. you need to root the phone, then flash Amon_RA's recovery thingy (in one of the threads). once you're in recovery, you can create a nandroid backup (kind of like an image of your current android phone) that you can restore later. then restoring it is as simple as going back into recovery and clicking "restore".
m00moo said:
Hi guys,
Im new to the Android scene, and thats because of the N1 got my nexus on order and should arrive shorty in the following week. Been reading the threads here over the last week or so, but alot of things aren't quite clear to me. Especially because im a Android noobie (previous WinMo )
Anyways reading about the Unlocking bootloader and Rooting the device seems pretty straight forward. I understand the consequences of each part and thus appears to be pretty easily done.
The things that i am unclear about are the addon packs and the things it comes bundled with?
- What are the current benefits from flashing these "addon" packs?
- They aren't ROM's just kind of expansion packs right? so no lost data after?
- Wtf is adb? lol i keep seeing it but no idea what it is, thus confusing for noobies like me.
- In cyanogens thread here it says backup using Nandroid, and when i find Nandroid in google i get this. But it says for G1? will it still work fine?
Thankyou for any answers as I believe you will help me to NOT mess up my new phone. I'm sure alot of other people would be thankful for your answers.
Thankyou again!
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wow thanks vmuch for the kind replies!
i feel like i understand the previous things i've read around in the forum alot more now!
So the question to root or not root, rooting the device would prob be the option for me as:
1) dont really want to do a wipe after a week or two
2) want cool apps such as SetCUP/Nexus Torch
One thing im wondering is whats this about paid apps and rooted devices in the market? After rooting some people cannot see paid apps or something?
Once again thankyou for the kind kind replies and i hope some other noobies like me are learning
If I buy an app (I'm thinking of the Exchange Calendar sync app) and then end up rooting and installing another ROM (say the EU ROM if it has multitouch) will I be able to get my purchased apps working again - or do you have to rebuy them?
If you buy an app it'll always show as purchased on the marketplace so you can redownload it - all the ones I bought on my G1 were still available when I setup the N1 for example.
m00moo said:
wow thanks vmuch for the kind replies!
i feel like i understand the previous things i've read around in the forum alot more now!
So the question to root or not root, rooting the device would prob be the option for me as:
1) dont really want to do a wipe after a week or two
2) want cool apps such as SetCUP/Nexus Torch
One thing im wondering is whats this about paid apps and rooted devices in the market? After rooting some people cannot see paid apps or something?
Once again thankyou for the kind kind replies and i hope some other noobies like me are learning
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Wait to root. Right now it's still too unknown on the "ins and outs" of this phone. When I first started rooting on my G1 and MyTouch I wiped a lot while learning things about it. Research while you wait. An OTA is supposed to come out to fix some bugs, and nobody has released any ROMs anyways. And on paid apps, Google Checkout keeps a record of what you purchase, no matter how many times you wipe Market will always have them listed in the "Downloads" Tab as "Purchased" to re-download at no charge.
m00moo said:
wow thanks vmuch for the kind replies!
i feel like i understand the previous things i've read around in the forum alot more now!
So the question to root or not root, rooting the device would prob be the option for me as:
1) dont really want to do a wipe after a week or two
2) want cool apps such as SetCUP/Nexus Torch
One thing im wondering is whats this about paid apps and rooted devices in the market? After rooting some people cannot see paid apps or something?
Once again thankyou for the kind kind replies and i hope some other noobies like me are learning
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that happened to me. i think it has to do with the fact that i rooted and turned on my phone before i even put my simcard in. i opened the market and couldn't see "top paid apps" (though i could still search for apps and paid ones would show up). after i turned it off, then put my sim card in and turned it back on, no dice, still no top paid apps.
i reflashed nexusone-superboot-1.1.img with my sim card in this time (can't remember if i wiped. i think it required a wipe) and i turned it on with my sim and voila. paid apps. so it's definitely fixable if you run into that problem.
thanks again for the replies
Im pretty up for rooting upon recieving my handset which should be by wednesday the latest (no engraving), as i ordered on friday 8th. But being the first time im quite scared to do so lol especially on a brand new phone.
But as SystmDcIn said theres too much we don't know as of yet and slowly things are becoming more and more developed as we speak.
The main issue for me is using the phone 2 weeks in and then wiping it clean hopefully somebody will make some cool ROMS soon which include the "addons and goodies" so the process is made way more simple.
Thanks again guys! Well appreciated!
I would also agree with waiting to root. I dont see the benefits of SetCPU for the N1, cuz its already at 1ghz, if it was underclocked i would understand.
Orangeandblue302 said:
I would also agree with waiting to root. I dont see the benefits of SetCPU for the N1, cuz its already at 1ghz, if it was underclocked i would understand.
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I use SetCPU to underclock the device in sleep mode.
I also underclock when I am not going to be using it for long periods.
Saves battery life.
true true, didnt think of it like that. most people want to overclock, i shouldnt assume. you know what happens when you assume lol.
It is a bit of a travesty to do it to this device. Its like putting a Beetle engine in a Porsche.
I can't always be near a charger, and until I can get a bigger battery that will give me more than seven hours, this is the solution.
this being my first android device i have spent hours on end on theses boards and on wiki's learning as much as i can about the phone and the platform... many of these basic questions that he asked i also had not 24 hours ago haha...
that being said, i think a lot of people are moving over to android so what if a thread got started that would answer basic questions that typically ever new user is going to have? ive yet to find a straight forward answer for half of the crap i have tried to find out and having it all in 1 place would be quite beneficial for people switching over... this could be moderated highly to keep it clean and in order?
a nice, straightforward, helpful community would be a nice touch to overtake some iphone shares
I see that you're from Hong Kong also- has your device shipped yet? I ordered mine on the 8th as well and it still shows not yet shipped. Was just wondering whether that's normal as most people state that the device shipped a day after ordering.
yamanote said:
I see that you're from Hong Kong also- has your device shipped yet? I ordered mine on the 8th as well and it still shows not yet shipped. Was just wondering whether that's normal as most people state that the device shipped a day after ordering.
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Sorry I am not really from Hong Kong lol I'm in fact from UK and Chinese. My Phone will be arriving early next week so whilst waiting, I am trying to learn as much as possible in case i damage my phone being a noob. lol
I agree with JHaste, i think due to the N1 and the upcoming HTC andoird devices. Alot of people will be moving over to Android in the coming 2-3 months. The questions i asked will be asked over and over and some kind of wiki,faq or android bible will be great. If anybody had the time and knowledge of basic rooting, unlocking and flashing could do such a thing it will be greatly appreciated
m00moo said:
thanks again for the replies
Im pretty up for rooting upon recieving my handset which should be by wednesday the latest (no engraving), as i ordered on friday 8th. But being the first time im quite scared to do so lol especially on a brand new phone.
But as SystmDcIn said theres too much we don't know as of yet and slowly things are becoming more and more developed as we speak.
The main issue for me is using the phone 2 weeks in and then wiping it clean hopefully somebody will make some cool ROMS soon which include the "addons and goodies" so the process is made way more simple.
Thanks again guys! Well appreciated!
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i think cyanogen's mod includes a backup app (titanium backup or somethin)...you'd be able to save all your data before you wiped it clean (but then you'd need the same backup app to restore it)
hi guys.
So, I am a noob. I used to be really intense with my HTC phones and that development but I unfortunately, got a blackberry. About a month ago I got the Samsung Captivate. I loved it. More than any phone I have ever had before. More than I imagined I could love any phone.
So, being a bored teenager, I decided to hack it. I did the one-click root. I thought it worked fine. Then I tried to flash a rom on it. Not only did it take forever, I lost apps, messages and everything. But whatever, right? I'm gonna have a sick phone. I ended up not having used one new feature of the rom. Not only that, but the phone is slower, the service just goes away in places where I would always have service before and it is now a challenge to use.
I miss being able to text in class and I miss being able to use the data whenever I want and I miss the old lock screens. I just want all of that back. Also, if I tell my dad what I did to it, he will kill me.
Is there anything I can do to just get everything back to factory. I don't care if I lose all my messages and apps and everything, I just want the phone back to the way I got it. Please help me. I will do anything you say.
Also, I mean no disrespect to the community. I think all of this hacking and moding is really cool and sick, it's just way over my head.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
Rehab5656 said:
hi guys.
So, I am a noob. I used to be really intense with my HTC phones and that development but I unfortunately, got a blackberry. About a month ago I got the Samsung Captivate. I loved it. More than any phone I have ever had before. More than I imagined I could love any phone.
So, being a bored teenager, I decided to hack it. I did the one-click root. I thought it worked fine. Then I tried to flash a rom on it. Not only did it take forever, I lost apps, messages and everything. But whatever, right? I'm gonna have a sick phone. I ended up not having used one new feature of the rom. Not only that, but the phone is slower, the service just goes away in places where I would always have service before and it is now a challenge to use.
I miss being able to text in class and I miss being able to use the data whenever I want and I miss the old lock screens. I just want all of that back. Also, if I tell my dad what I did to it, he will kill me.
Is there anything I can do to just get everything back to factory. I don't care if I lose all my messages and apps and everything, I just want the phone back to the way I got it. Please help me. I will do anything you say.
Also, I mean no disrespect to the community. I think all of this hacking and moding is really cool and sick, it's just way over my head.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
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Have a look see HERE.
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I would like to take a min. to thank all the devs who have worked hard on trying to make the Atrix a better phone. Sorry mods i know this shouldnt be on this forum it should prob. be on the general section but i felt that the devs prob. read this one alot more and i wanted them to see it. I got my atrix 3 days ago first android device coming from a iphone 3gs and i was skeptical at first but after reading alot i managed to get the phone rooted on 4.1.56 then rooted the 4.1.57, Then from reading finnys post i got the webtop mod installed. Well im rooted and modded now, so what exactly does this open up for me beside custom roms. What are some more benifits to being rooted since the bootloader is still locked. Also what rooted apps do i need. Should i get titanium backup and freeze the bloat ware or what will some people explain to me what i need to do now to make this phone that much better. Again thanks again Devs for the hard work youll have put into this phone.
I totally agree. The devs have done great things with such a locked down device. Keep up the good work and we'll keep our fingers crossed with the "bootloader solution" lol.
Hey guys!
I'm new to all of this, you could probably call me a noob when it comes to programming or modifying stuff. Recently, I've been thinking about whether or not to root my phone, and one of my main reason is because, I simply don't know what to do with it after I root the phone. It would be nice if you guys could walk me through and give me some tips.
As of right now, my phone is unrooted, or so I think. I read that you can download MIUI without rooting your phone, so I downloaded it from the PlayStore, and it's working great. However, I have heard something about it draining battery life and that you were supposed to wipe or reset battery when installing new ROM, which obviously I did not do. Is it too late to do it now?
I forgot to mention, but I am a Mac user.
Thanks
peemdas said:
Hey guys!
I'm new to all of this, you could probably call me a noob when it comes to programming or modifying stuff. Recently, I've been thinking about whether or not to root my phone, and one of my main reason is because, I simply don't know what to do with it after I root the phone. It would be nice if you guys could walk me through and give me some tips.
As of right now, my phone is unrooted, or so I think. I read that you can download MIUI without rooting your phone, so I downloaded it from the PlayStore, and it's working great. However, I have heard something about it draining battery life and that you were supposed to wipe or reset battery when installing new ROM, which obviously I did not do. Is it too late to do it now?
I forgot to mention, but I am a Mac user.
Thanks
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Hi,
Rule ONE: if you do not know what for you shall root phone - do NOT do this.
Furthermore: you have heard something, and you want to make the based on this rumor action. OK. I have heard that big, badass asteroid is coming, I have heard that winter is coming, but I am not building a spaceship to escape, and I am not cutting near forest to colled wood for my fireplace (yet).
Have you experienced the battery drain? If not - do nothing.
and now, we are on the rule TWO: if something works, do NOT fix it.
Hey guys, first of all I want to say what's up since I'm new here and this is my first post.
So, I'm thinking about buying the Nexus Q off eBay since I always liked it very much and was wondering what there is that I can do with it, I know that the only thing that I can do with it now as stock is just YouTube since Google discontinued the support from Google Play. Now, I know you can hack it and stuff but I want to know exactly what there is that I can do with it. Also, I'm a noob when it comes to rooting and flashing roms and stuff like that since I have never done it before so I'll need as much help from you guys as I can get if I decide on buying one of these things. Thanks in advance
kubi07 said:
Hey guys, first of all I want to say what's up since I'm new here and this is my first post.
So, I'm thinking about buying the Nexus Q off eBay since I always liked it very much and was wondering what there is that I can do with it, I know that the only thing that I can do with it now as stock is just YouTube since Google discontinued the support from Google Play. Now, I know you can hack it and stuff but I want to know exactly what there is that I can do with it. Also, I'm a noob when it comes to rooting and flashing roms and stuff like that since I have never done it before so I'll need as much help from you guys as I can get if I decide on buying one of these things. Thanks in advance
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Consider it just another AOSP device at this point. Almost anything you can do on your tablet you can find a way to do with your nexus Q. I personally use mine as a Kodi Media server.
CM11, KODI,.