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Hi Guys
Is there a good firewall that we can use with the universal? Do we really need one?
when i browse the web on my Exec i use it over wifi so is that safe, (my home is protected BUT what about the free HOTSPOTS in the city centre <I trust star bucks with my coffee-do I trust them with my internet security?
Would any of you guys use your PDA's webpage to buy something from a website (ebay) or even online banking?
Im not to fused about someone hacking my PDA through my wifi/internet connection, come on the way I look at it, if some one is that good Im sure they have better things to hack then mine! lol
Im more concerned about if I am going to log onto ebay's webpage how secure is my information while its being sent from My PDA browser to there server?
IL appreciate everyone’s thoughts on this!
YES VIJAY that includes you as well,
GUYS KEEP YOUR REPLIES IN RELATION TO THIS THREAD, if you want to talk about your aunty janes cats dogs friends sisters leg, start another thread!)
You don't need one.
Ward said:
You don't need one.
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could you explain why, please?
@ WARD
why dont we need one? because you say so? lol
come on mate you can not give a one sentence reply and walk away from this, do you know how long it has taken me to write the post?
unless you a allsinging alldancing knowit all---------, well even if you are, give a better reply then "you dont need one"
or dont post at all.
you dont need one
You don't need a firewall now, because:
a) No tools for the PPC are really available at the moment, and
b) What exactly are they going to do when they hack in?
c) More importantly, you won't FIND any firewalls for Windows Mobile.
But as to the question of how safe is the information being sent to eBay; well, Pocket IE (Internet Explorer Mobile) is based off IE 5 and 6, with the same security levels. So if you access something with that little lock icon on, you're pretty secure.
If not, you're taking the same risk as normal browsing.
OK guys come on give better answers then "you dont need one"
we are not all mind readers,
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breakit down, whywe dont need one?
how safe is your data when its sent from your device?
try to read my intial thread and reply to the points in there,
I am sure that you are not naive to think we dont need one because our networks tell its its safe or because microsoft does,
How many times has microsoft security been compermised?
Networks- remmber t-mobile? when there servers where being hacked (one good thing that came out of that was pairs hiltons EMAILS! along with the secrect service but with parisss its was more of like many online service providers, T-Mobile.com requires users to answer a "secret question" if they forget their passwords. For Hilton's account, the secret question was "What is your favorite pet's name?" By correctly providing the answer, any internet user could change Hilton's password and freely access her account. and her pet dog name is!!! Chihuahua
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/12/hacker_penetrates_t-mobile/ )
@ snorbaard
thanks dude
N2h, you're being rather rude, so I would have expected a lot more "you don't need one" replies by now just to spite you. I'll answer your question first, and then detail why I believe you're being rather rude.
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What you're asking about isn't really a firewall. A firewall is used to prevent certain communications either coming into a machine, or going out of it. E.g. a firewall could be placed on outbound port 80 to prevent users from browsing 99% of the web, or a firewall can and should be placed on inbound port 139 to stop some older netbios 'attacks'.
What you're really asking about is whether the communication you do via your PocketPC - over wifi - is 'secure' in that others can't access your information. The answer to that isn't a simple yes/no - it will depend on a few things.
The first thing to make sure as that the access point you're using has WEP (Wireless Encryption Protocol) enabled. The bigger the key, the better. This will mean that 'over the air', your information will be encrypted. Anybody who would 'snoop' that information from the air will need a LOT of data, and a reasonably fast machine, to get the WEP key.
The next thing to make sure is that if the information you're sending is rather sensitive, that you send this information to a site which is using SSL. SSL encrypts your data on your PocketPC itself, all the way through the WiFi router/access point, over the internet, bouncing off of satellites - whatever, until it reaches the destination website where the data is decrypted again. The odds of anybody cracking that signal are *very* slim. It can be done, but it takes ages and ages on multiple computers for even the simplest of SSL encryptions. The 'dumb' way to check whether the site uses SSL is to see if the URL starts with "https". The 'proper' way is to check if the padlock icon is 'locked' in PIE (left of the address bar).
The third thing, if you're using e-mail, is to use an e-mail encryption application, such as PGP. I'm not aware if any exist for PocketPC, but I'm sure they do. These basically encrypt your message in a way that it can still be sent by plain e-mail. The recipient then decrypts the message again on their end. Based on the encryption method used and the length of the message, it would take quantum computers to decrypt it to anything meaningful.
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For those wondering whether you do indeed need a Firewall - no, you don't. You may wish to look into some basic BlueTooth protection if you leave that on a lot, but other than that there are no real intrusion points for a PocketPC that you'd have to be worried about.
Microsoft may turn the PocketPC into some ueberplatform in the future which would make it more vulnerable, or maybe they learned their lesson and they'll keep things fairly secure - who knows.
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Now then.. as to why you're being rude...
First.. your post - what's with the bold blue text? Do you think it would get people's attention easier? Just makes it more difficult to read.
Second... you address a specific person, vijay555 - who is a very busy person. But even if he wasn't, it's a bit presumptious of you that 1. he would be reading this, 2. he would be interested in replying at all.
Third... you presume that people would go off-topic, in your original post (in large red type, at that). Why not have a bit more faith in fellow man and see what replies roll in, first? Then if people go off-topic, point it out and ask that they try and address the issue you raised in your post.
Fourth... when somebody does answer your post, even if it is a rather short reply, you tell them to either post a better reply, or not reply at all. Don't be surprised if many people will interpret this in a way that will make them not want to reply to any of your posts at all.
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Edit: and such is the cost of typing long replies - other people reply before you
zeboxxxxxxxxxxxxxx lol
thatsmade me laugh :lol:
thanks mate
FROM ZEBOX (sorryabout the caps hope i dont hurt anyones feeling)
Now then.. as to why you're being rude...
First.. your post - what's with the bold blue text? Do you think it would get people's attention easier? Just makes it more difficult to read.
dude I LIKE USING COLOURS lol
Second... you address a specific person, vijay555 - who is a very busy person. But even if he wasn't, it's a bit presumptious of you that 1. he
would be reading this, 2. he would be interested in replying at all.
tust me he gets around!
Third... you presume that people would go off-topic, in your original post (in large red type, at that). Why not have a bit more faith in fellow man and see what replies roll in, first? Then if people go off-topic, point it out and ask that they try and address the issue you raised in your post.
Fourth... when somebody does answer your post, even if it is a rather short reply, you tell them to either post a better reply, or not reply at all. Don't be surprised if many people will interpret this in a way that will make them not want to reply to any of your posts at all.
all in one, the amount of threads iv read where the converstion has gone off topic----------- so had to make that clear,
andbeing honest Im having a lugh so i dont want anyone to take it personaly if Imake a checky comment,
and zeboxx this ones just for you
You still don't need a firewall for your Pocket PC.
A firewall in the sense I understand it is a filtering application which brackets network access: rejecting unsolicited packet, applying appication based rules and optionally, performing some filtering on incoming content.
You don't need one, because: there is very little need to restrict application access to the network - malicious apps exist, but its so difficult for them to gain a foothold on your PPC without you knowing about it. So on a clean PPC, a firewall does nothing useful. Dropping unsolitcited packets is nice, but your PPC is mobile - not always connected and therefore of extremely low risk of network intrusion - AFAIK, I've never even heard of a case.
Save your money and CPU and carry on. P.S. PPC AntiViruses are similarly useless, don't listen to PR hype.
@@ ward
Ward thanks for that between you and snorbaard my questionshave been answerd
regarding firewalls and website security!
thanks dude
ward, zeobox Suggested that i was rude to you andmay have hurt your feeling , well my apologies hope we can b friends :lol: lol
cheers bud
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"c) More importantly, you won't FIND any firewalls for Windows Mobile."
AIRSCANNER has one, however, its not currently for WM5 yet
Here:-
http://airscanner.com/downloads/firewall/firewall.html
Keep a close watch on AIRSCANNER for the WM5 version though
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ZeBoxx
How to protect your PPC when you're surfing at free hotspots?
I believe that the response should be "You don't need a firewall for your WM5 device - yet."
It's very possible that there are vulnerabilities present in WM5 O/S that simply have not been found yet. There may even be vulnerabilities in WM5 that allow people to reset your device remotely, edit and remove information, etc.
Why would there be vulnerabilities in WM5?
Firstly, its made by Microsoft, and Microsoft has a very bad track record when it comes to this type of thing. Secondly, even if all preventions towards vulnerabilities were taken by Microsoft, it's always possible for one smart hacker to link together something that nobody has ever thought about before. Basically, vulnerabilities are always possible.
If there are vulnerabilities in WM5, why havent I heard about it yet?
Currently the number of devices running WM5 are very small. Theyr also very new, and thus hackers havent really begun to try. It only takes one good enough hacker to do it, though.
Therefore I don't think ruling out firewalls as being irrelevant to WM5 devices is the right way to go about it. Currently, theyr not needed, but who knows? In a months time we might all be scrambling for a firewall as some worm runs riot deleting our files..
It would probably be nice to have a firewall available, anyway. 8)
Just thought I would post to point out that when you go online using GPRS most service providers give you a NAT connection which is in practice the same as a firewall. No incoming connections are allowed, you don't have a public IP address.
This is largly because if you had a public IP all the viruses on the net looking for unsecure Windows machines would flood out your GPRS connection and use up all your credit without you doing anything.
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Just thought I would post to point out that when you go online using GPRS most service providers give you a NAT connection
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Very true - also, nearly all wireless hotspots will do the same thing, generally decreasing the amount of potential hackers to only other users sharing the same hotspot.
If your device ever gets hacked while using a hotspot, look around for the guy with the laptop trying to look the other way. :twisted:
As I understand it, there's built in facilities for port redirection and monitoring in Windows Mobile already. Whether or not you'd wish to use it for anything is down to a coder.
As everyone is saying, there are two distinct issues I see here:
1. Are your communications secure between PDA and Server?
2. Is your PDA secure to external intrusions?
Question 1 is addressed above. Use appropriate good sense, keep an eye out for SSL and https and always be weary of transmitting anything sensitive over an open channel. Would I use my PDA to buy something over the net? Probably not - I barely trust my PC browser (and I wrote and secured it myself), and although there's little reason to trust PIE less, that's not a high state of confidence. I always half expect to get cheated/identity theft-ed over the net. But use good common sense, reliable traders and be weary of all open connections that you don't control.
Question 2.
Intrusions. Again, as everyone is saying - as of now, there's not an enormous amount of damage that could be done to your PDA even if someone could stomp all over it without your knowledge. Worst case, you need to hard reset, and someone steals all your personal info.
However, there aren't many well known exploits that you need to worry about. But, that probably means that there are exploits known to those who would be interested in you.
However, since you're wifi roaming, it's likely your IP is dynamic. Somebody would have to have an idea of where you are and be particularly interested in finding you on the net to track you down. (although that's easy enough to do if they know your habits. Server logs give a wealth of info for free! I can see many visitors to my website directly from warez sites. If I wanted to backtrace to an ISP, a server or a user, the info is there in front of me)
So, someone can find you on the net. They then need to identify you as using a PDA they can exploit. They have to know exploits. They can then get access to your system. What's the worst that can happen? As everyone says, be weary of carrying very sensitive info on you phone, at least unencrypted. They're small things prone to theft and loss. If you would worry if it was stolen from your hand, don't put it on there, or encrypt it. Doubley so if you're using public wifi.
There are exploits to take advantage of your system. I'm working on stuff that could easily be classified as a trojan, and there is live code, years old, demonstrating the techniques.
Best advice: be careful. Your PDA is naked compared to your PC (which is firewalled, anti virused, and anti-spyed already. right?) Just because no one is interested in looking at your PDA's undies, doesn't mean you should flash them around. Use good sense on all public networks. However, given the hardware limitations of our PDAs, I'm inclined to say, better to leave it unprotected but not at risk (ie not carry highly sensitive info), then have CPU intensive protection that's counterproductive and unlikely to be needed most of the time.
Others would have different priorities. You have to judge what you have at stake.
V
VIJAY thanks for the reply your thoughts are allways much appericated.
when you say you have secured your own browser is it a programme that's available on your site or a 1of thing that you did? someone else advised me that netfront 3.3 (or what ever the latest version is) is more secure then ie any thoughts on that.
thanks
N2h
p.s zeooooooobox guess ur sorry ass was wrong after all.
N2h said:
VIJAY thanks for the reply your thoughts are allways much appericated.
when you say you have secured your own browser is it a programme that's available on your site or a 1of thing that you did? someone else advised me that netfront 3.3 (or what ever the latest version is) is more secure then ie any thoughts on that.
thanks
N2h
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He said quite specifically his PC browser. (i.e. not a browser on his phone)
As someone said earlier, just make sure the little padlock is there. SSL encryption is good enough for most things.
I travel by train pretty much, and I have a HTC Universal. Since I can make use of UMTS i was wondering if i could let my universal act as an accespoint, so that i can use it as router for my Nintendo DS to play online in the train. Is there some way to do this?
Its possible, using a java program to add router software to your universal. Try googling it a bit.
Surur
Hey if you find something keep us posted will ya?
i can only find lots of Telnet clients and tutorials how to connect your ppc to a router ~ ___~);;' no luck yet.
oops i cried too early Xp I found it
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=453&more=1
The first part says:
Just get the HTTPSnoopProxy.class file, copy it to, say, the root of your "access point" Pocket PC and get a decent Java Virtual Machine (I recommend CrEme 4.00 because of its superior speed, reliability and moderate memory consumption).
Seems like only web surfing will be allowed.
I got an idea when i saw this line in the link you provided:
"To share an Internet connection, you'd need operating system-level support for connection sharing as is present in, say, the desktop Windows"
I bet Linux has this. And since some smart people here has managed to get linux running on the Universal this might just be possible.
Is there anyone reading this with some linux knowlage that knows how to set this up in linux?
maicrosoft said:
oops i cried too early Xp I found it
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=453&more=1
The first part says:
Just get the HTTPSnoopProxy.class file, copy it to, say, the root of your "access point" Pocket PC and get a decent Java Virtual Machine (I recommend CrEme 4.00 because of its superior speed, reliability and moderate memory consumption).
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Have you tried it? If so does it work?
I would love to setup my Jasjar as a WiFi access point using 3G, now that Vodafone IE have an unlimited 3G data plan.
How about making some sort of quasi proxy/(repeater or relay) site on a home PC?
I'm thinking of some way to pass parameters as part of the URL for port forwarding to a proxy site that forwards to the intended destination site.
would you enjoy gaming on your DS with 200msec ping times? UMTS is fast but ping times are almost as high as GPRS's...
I this this would be a great project for someone like vjay, I'd certainly pay for an app that lets me use my universal as a wireless access point.
ppeettee said:
I this this would be a great project for someone like vjay, I'd certainly pay for an app that lets me use my universal as a wireless access point.
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SAME HERE!!
I've been looking for a thread like this for a long time now and finally found it!
Otherwise I've would've made one myself with the same question..
Is there any progress about this issue?
Plz let me /us know...
kchris said:
would you enjoy gaming on your DS with 200msec ping times? UMTS is fast but ping times are almost as high as GPRS's...
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Well, I'd say it depends on the GSM operator. My UMTS ping times (Europe) are generally (well) under 100 ms.
hlc1971 said:
SAME HERE!!
I've been looking for a thread like this for a long time now and finally found it!
Otherwise I've would've made one myself with the same question..
Is there any progress about this issue?
Plz let me /us know...
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Not yet. I'm, however, pushing Microsoft (in internal forums) very hard to implement REAL connection sharing - some kind of an extended version of the AKU3+ Internet Sharing tool.
Isn't internet connection sharing enabled in Crossbow?
V
I'm wondering if there are any Gnutella-clients, or other software, for WM that allows music searching/downloading. Would be nice to be able to download tracks on the go.
Call-script
double-post... sorry
well.......
You can always use a remote connection to your PC to download tracks, then transfer to your phone via Orb or something.
The problem with Gnutella for WM-
1. Legality- Service providers don't want their data being used to dl music illegally and afraid of being sued
2. Bandwidth- Same as above except without the "and afraid of being sued"
This might even get categorized as a warez post, but probably not.
But i digress. I must point out that the bandwidth that you would need would only be available via wi-fi, effectively killing the idea of "on-the-go"
ANd besides, the artists do good work. Let them get paid. Read my sig, just replace "using warez" with "Downloading music illegally"
pocket G2pro
i will give you a clue but i cant give you direct link in xda.software calls pocket g2pro that will allow to download music from gunutella network.cheers
yeh but g2pro has been offline for at least a few months if not a year they shut off their servers it appears so thats not an option.
i dont think p2p software is warez. the program itself is simply a program if someone codes it and offers it for free then its no worse than any other developed program in here. Im sure modding the HTC programs and puling them from the ROMs brings up all sorts of IP violations (for all you law buffs you know what im saying) technically. Im simpler terms i doubt modding and pulling HTC copyrighted software is exactly "legal" per say.
what you do with it is your own morality IMO. the p2p program in itself isnt warez though if its developed and offered for free
As far as the piracy-question is concerned; there are legal files on the Gnutella network aswell and it is off course only these I'm interested in. Like songs from some local emo-goth band and such. Ya. Bandwidth isn't a problem since I live in Sweden and have an unlimited HSDPA data-plan. Even if used strictly via WiFi it would still come in handy in my opinion. But it seems I'm out of luck though, doesn't it? Are there any good BitTorrent clients perhaps?
yes there is very nice bittorent client which calls adiasta bittorrent...also g2pro network is down but you can always add manuel gunetalla network.it was under the settings but i cant remember know.could you plase check ipmart-forum.you can get your answer guys.just check the under the ppc section forum.good luck..
ok, not warez. there are just some very radical people here that would categorize it as such. But yeah......
pocket g2pro alive and well
http://forum.htcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=492
Hi.
I'm trying to use my G1 with the bluetooth pan network from my computer or from my mogul (which has an unlimited data plan) to go to the internet instead of using wifi to be more energy efficient.
So far, using wifi tether's bluetooth option, I manage to establish a pan network between my G1 and the computer running windows. However, traffic is not routed properly, I get "network unreachable" from the terminal when I try to ping something outside the local pan network.
Any ideas?
you cannot access the interwebs on your G1 from a network on your computer. you cannot reverse tether. it is not possible at this time, please people stop posting about this stuff
if you had searched you would have seen that it can't be done and you would have found a thread where theyare trying to get it working
I know it is not possible at this time, hence my post here.
I need someone with linux networking knowledge to have a look into this, the android platform is a bit peculiar to me, ifconfig is behaving differently on it then it does on a regular linux distro. I need help setting up the right dns entries, figuring out where they are stored in Android (resolv.conf? a property set using setprop?), etc...
The idea is to have Android connect to an existing bluetooth access point. Everything is there to do it, pand is working, a virtual bluetooth network adaptor can be created, I can even give it a proper ip address and I manage to ping it from the access point and I can ping the access point from android...
This is the perfect forum to post such a question.
Anyone else with a more useful comment?
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I know it is not possible at this time, hence my post here.
I need someone with linux networking knowledge to have a look into this, the android platform is a bit peculiar to me, ifconfig is behaving differently on it then it does on a regular linux distro. I need help setting up the right dns entries, figuring out where they are stored in Android (resolv.conf? a property set using setprop?), etc...
The idea is to have Android connect to an existing bluetooth access point. Everything is there to do it, pand is working, a virtual bluetooth network adaptor can be created, I can even give it a proper ip address and I manage to ping it from the access point and I can ping the access point from android...
This is the perfect forum to post such a question.
Anyone else with a more useful comment?
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[MORE USEFUL COMMENT] post in the threads that are already discussing this topic rather than posting a new thread[/MORE USEFUL COMMENT]
You use the term "linux distro". Now, I know I may be beating a dead horse here, but linux is just the kernel--the rest is GNU software. Many things are going to behave differently on Android.
Exactly, what works in Fedora 10 possibly will not work in android... (and thats giving some ambition there.....)
that's exactly why I am asking here instead of elsewhere.
To tubaking182 : the really usefull answer would have been to give me a link to the right thread instead. The search features of this forum sucks.
Thanks anyway.
Hi stanelie,
I too am very interested in doing this VERY same thing. I've also searched and come up empty handed. If there is anyone out there with more information that could help please feel free to post. Thanks in advance.
I'm sorry some here do not like people asking questions but I too would very much appreciate REVERSE BLUETOOTH TETHER functionality for my Android phone. Despite what tubaking182 so very helpfully writes above (thank you ever so much!) there remains no EASY solution for this.
I will happily pay for an easy to install, reliable Android Market app that does this. I think lots of others will too.
So that there is no misunderstanding I wish to connect my phone as a Bluetooth PAN client to a Bluetooth PAN server. The server functionality is NOT required.
Thanks,
Paul
Hello everyone,
I'm a computing student and Ive got the task to develop a basic version of the WiFi router found here: http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
Ive learned to program in Java during my 3 years of college and I consider that Ive got the basics covered but Im really bad at programming.. I am willing to learn a lot more to complete this project and in the process Im also planning to learn some serious programming skills considering the complexity of the application development.
Can someone please bring some light on this and help me with it? I actually dont even know where to start coding for this. All I managed to do in the last 24h is to find the below websites but I dont know how to put everything together and start coding. Ah, and I want to mention that once I finish it I will share it with the open source community, not looking for any profit. Its just a college project for me. Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can give me!
Android Developers
http://developer.android.com/
Wireless Tether for Root Users (Opensource)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486767
Tethering my laptop with android
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=577590
Tetherbot
http://graha.ms/androidproxy/
Tethering VIA USB - Install and troubleshooting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443025&highlight=tether
tether Wifi
http://www.androidactivity.com/tetherWifi.html
iptables
http://www.netfilter.org/projects/iptables/index.html
Dnsmasq
http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html
and of course wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethering
Well this is a functionality scenario for it. Id appreciate if one of the experienced programmers would give an opinion on it. Thanks!
#1 User starts the program by tapping the app icon.
#2 Code to check for Internet connection over GSM network (check gsm state. if off, go to 3. if on go to 7)
#3 Code to send instructions to the GSM modem to establish an internet conection.
#4 If the connection cant be established due to various technical errors like no signal, wrong APN settings etc then 5
#5 Code to show info message on the screen to inform user
#6 Once the device has a valid internet connection(check) then 7
#7 Code to show settings to user and allow customization of SSID (network name). [and security key(optional for now, we'll do it later if we have time)]
#8 The user presses the start button.
#9 Code to activate the wifi card in adhoc mode and broadcast the adhoc chosen SSID
#10 Code to accept connection from a valid device and communicate with it over wifi
#11 Code to share the established internet connection over GSM network with the device connected over wifi
Hi!
I'm one of the authors of "Wireless Tether for Root Users".
What means "a basic version of the WiFi router"?
You know that most wifi-interface-drivers of android-devices do not support master-mode which would be mandatory to implement a "wifi router/access-point" (that's the reason why we support adhoc-mode only)?
Harry
harry_m said:
Hi!
I'm one of the authors of "Wireless Tether for Root Users".
What means "a basic version of the WiFi router"?
You know that most wifi-interface-drivers of android-devices do not support master-mode which would be mandatory to implement a "wifi router/access-point" (that's the reason why we support adhoc-mode only)?
Harry
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Hi Harry, I appreciate the reply, thanks a lot!
"a basic version of the WiFi router" means a functional application that will run on an android phone (hopefully not rooted), will accept an ad-hoc connection with another wifi device over wifi and share its built in Inet conneciton with the device that connects to it. If I manage to get this running within 3 weeks I will complete the project in time.
I didnt know about the android wifi-interface-drivers..I was planning to try and develop this (hopefully successful app) into a proper wifi router (the full version) as my last year project, but now that plan is down the drain
Could you please help me start this? Where did u start when u actually started coding for this project? Any advice you can give me will be very welcome!
Cheers m8, have a good weekend!
harry_m said:
Hi!
I'm one of the authors of "Wireless Tether for Root Users".
What means "a basic version of the WiFi router"?
You know that most wifi-interface-drivers of android-devices do not support master-mode which would be mandatory to implement a "wifi router/access-point" (that's the reason why we support adhoc-mode only)?
Harry
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Hi Harry,
By ad-hoc mode do you mean that the phone has to be rooted?
My understanding is that there is no way to have GPRS/3G running at the same time as a WiFi connection on the normal Android OS on a non rooted phone?
@atl4ntys,
Nice to see another Irish developer on Android
What your trying to do in 3 weeks seems like a big task and the normal Android SDK wont be much help for the reason I have stated above unless you root the phone.
cheers draffodx, I appreciate the interest!
Abt your question, to my knowledge wifi can run at the same time with 3g on a stock non rooted phone but it will not run in adhoc/ap mode. Unless some found a workaround that.. I'd prefer to develop a very basic app that will run on any android but if it proves to be an impossible task (also given the dev time available) then I will be happy with a function one on a rooted android. Dont need security and fancy graphics I just need it to work, so Im sure between me and my project partner we'll get it done (hopefully with a bit of help from the android devs)
Have you got any resources for how to run 3G and Wifi at the same time?
Its something I need to be able to do and from a few days research it seems that the OS only switchs between Wifi and 3G and never runs both at the same time.
From the SDK API's I cant find anything allowing me to turn both 3G and Wifi on.
Can you also define what you mean by adhoc/ap mode?
Thanks
draffodx said:
Have you got any resources for how to run 3G and Wifi at the same time?
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No, not yet.
draffodx said:
From the SDK API's I cant find anything allowing me to turn both 3G and Wifi on.
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I havent looked into it properly yet. Maybe Harry will answer or if not, try here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=474470
draffodx said:
Can you also define what you mean by adhoc/ap mode?
Thanks
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Adhoc is computer to computer connection, without an access point. Info here: http://compnetworking.about.com/cs/wirelessfaqs/f/adhocwireless.htm
ap is an access point
The difference is(wiki):
Wireless Access Point vs. Ad-Hoc Network
Some people confuse Wireless Access Points with Wireless Ad-Hoc networks. An Ad-Hoc network uses a connection between two or more devices without using a wireless access point: the devices communicate directly when in range. An Ad-Hoc network is used in situations such as a quick data exchange or a multiplayer LAN game because setup is easy and does not require an access point. Due to its peer-to-peer layout, Ad-Hoc connections are similar to Bluetooth ones and are generally not recommended for a permanent installation.
Internet access via Ad-Hoc networks, using features like Windows' Internet Connection Sharing, may work well with a small number of devices that are close to each other, but Ad-Hoc networks don't scale well. Internet traffic will converge to the nodes with direct internet connection, potentially congesting these nodes. For internet-enabled nodes, Access Points have a clear advantage, being designed to handle this load.
Thanks for that atl4ntys!
If you get wifi & 3G working at the same time let me know it would be very interesting.
Good luck with the project
draffodx said:
Thanks for that atl4ntys!
If you get wifi & 3G working at the same time let me know it would be very interesting.
Good luck with the project
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hey draffodx, wifi and 3g do work in the same time but the wifi works in client mode not adhoc. the catch is to find out how to get it to work in adhoc mode while an inet connection is established over gsm
*1st post edited. Added possible functionality scenario opinions anyone? Thanks!
Hey atl4ntys,
How are you getting on with this?
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Hey atl4ntys,
How are you getting on with this?
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hey draffdox,
I managed to get it working in the end but I had to base my code on harry's 9.3 http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/source/browse/#svn/branches/0.9.3
If u want to see my final report, wait a few days as I will upload it online somewhere.
cheers, have a good weekend!
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hey draffdox,
I managed to get it working in the end but I had to base my code on harry's 9.3 http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/source/browse/#svn/branches/0.9.3
If u want to see my final report, wait a few days as I will upload it online somewhere.
cheers, have a good weekend!
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Thanks for that atl4ntys, excellent read, its a pity it still cant be done on a non rooted phone
Hey guys,
It's nice to meet some Irish People on this forum,
good luck with the project.
Sorry I can't add anything but I am an Android Developement newbie.(aswell as a java newbie)
I can't wait to see the app.
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I'm one of the authors of "Wireless Tether for Root Users".
Harry
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Hi Harry, i'm using your software, all work fine except i have to use "proxoid" to re-write the user-agent. When not using it, no web surfing for my computer is impossible.
The problem is Poxoid is written in java, and slow down the internet connection from the phone. I'm downloading at about 100kB without proxoid, and only 20-30KB with.
I'm asking you if you know another program that does same thing (user agent rewriting) , easy to install for rooted android phones, or why not include that fonctionnailty to Wifi Tether?
Thanks for Wifi Tether, nice program !
is this - (the above posts)
a form of uma or gan???
mikob2d said:
Hi Harry, i'm using your software, all work fine except i have to use "proxoid" to re-write the user-agent. When not using it, no web surfing for my computer is impossible....
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Hey mikob2d, I think its best if u send him a private msg or if u contact him here http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
Don't think he's monitoring this thread anymore
Rptynan said:
Hey guys,
It's nice to meet some Irish People on this forum,
good luck with the project.
Sorry I can't add anything but I am an Android Developement newbie.(aswell as a java newbie)
I can't wait to see the app.
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hey 2u2 and welcome here but I finished this project and will not release an open source or a commercial app. The project was way harder than I expected and I had to base my app on Harry's harry's 9.3 version of the app.
I sent u2 a pm with a link to the final technical specs. Hope you'll find the info useful