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In just about two days the WP7 is coming out. Who all is planning on getting one Monday?
Maybe just to get some free Katy Perry tickets (im currently in nyc but dont live here).
Anyways it would be nice to get it ASAP since my current wm 6.5 is falling apart. The FB app stop working and now the AP too.
Also everyday it gets more slugish and bugy etc. I'm tired of it.
I think the Focus will have a very nice display, but not sure about the plastic exterior. I'll be getting a Venue Pro, but that's also because I'm with T-Mobile. So my only choices are HD7 and VP. HTC has been cutting too many corners this time, so they will not be getting my money until higher quality phones start getting produced by them again.
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I think the Focus will have a very nice display, but not sure about the plastic exterior. I'll be getting a Venue Pro, but that's also because I'm with T-Mobile. So my only choices are HD7 and VP. HTC has been cutting too many corners this time, so they will not be getting my money until higher quality phones start getting produced by them again.
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i'm on t mobile too but since i'm 90% of the time have wifi so i'm probably going to wait and get the focus if it can be unlocked or the venue pro
Getting the phone yet bummed my 32GB Mico SD has been delayed shipping from an Amazon supplier. Wanted to load the phone right off the bat with maximum memory too.
EDITED: Decied to cancel the Class 2 32GB and get the Class 6 16GB
Ill have one Monday or possibly Sunday since that's when the AT&T stores actually get the phones. The guy at the store said he would call me Sunday when the phones arrive but I have my doubts.
I'm leaving sprint and HTC evo to try one out.
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Ill have one Monday or possibly Sunday since that's when the AT&T stores actually get the phones. The guy at the store said he would call me Sunday when the phones arrive but I have my doubts.
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Strange they would get them on Sunday. Didn't know there were companies that did deliveries on Sunday. I went to the local Best Buy mobile yesterday and they already had the Surround. He hadn't even heard of the Focus.
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Strange they would get them on Sunday. Didn't know there were companies that did deliveries on Sunday. I went to the local Best Buy mobile yesterday and they already had the Surround. He hadn't even heard of the Focus.
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I'll chime in on that - I plan on being there first thing Monday, but I will call tomorrow to see if they'll sell early. I've been calling since Thursday since that's when the Captivate was being sold early, but they've been pretty adamant about not selling these early. When I did call, they mentioned I could pick it up on Sunday, but when I went into the store today, both the regional manager and store manager said I'd have to wait. I'll just call tomorrow and see who's working
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I'll chime in on that - I plan on being there first thing Monday, but I will call tomorrow to see if they'll sell early. I've been calling since Thursday since that's when the Captivate was being sold early, but they've been pretty adamant about not selling these early. When I did call, they mentioned I could pick it up on Sunday, but when I went into the store today, both the regional manager and store manager said I'd have to wait. I'll just call tomorrow and see who's working
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I called one of the stores today and they had the Focus but wouldn't sell. Dropped by Best Buy and they showed me the Surrounds, but they didn't even know when they would get the Focus. Sucks because I think I could have one if they had them. I'll try to get one from a retail AT&T tomorrow. If not, I'm going to be late for work Monday
Does anyone know what GPS chip is getting put in this phone. If it is the same one that they put in their Galaxy S phones I'm going to have to pass. I have a Captivate and the GPS is worthless.
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Does anyone know what GPS chip is getting put in this phone. If it is the same one that they put in their Galaxy S phones I'm going to have to pass. I have a Captivate and the GPS is worthless.
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I've seen a lot of people concerned about that as well. All the reviews I've seen said it's much better than the Galaxy phones. So I assume its a different chipset or better drivers.
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I've seen a lot of people concerned about that as well. All the reviews I've seen said it's much better than the Galaxy phones. So I assume its a different chipset or better drivers.
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I believe it's different also since this hardware is completely different that the SGS phones. Also, Bill Gates is using it, so I'd assume it'd work or he'd be on a different phone
Just got mine...
Just home from the AT&T store.
Got a $100 "loyalty" discount, a 20% percent discount on the 32 gig memory card, (final price of $110) and 2 usb cords. Total cost out the door is $248.
The salespeople in the store knew nothing about the phone. They were asking me questions about it.
I was the first person to ask for one today.
kbanes
^^ So, they didn't wait for the 8th? How long have you been with AT&T? Let us know how you find it.
I think ill wait for the Quantum. My XDA At&t brothers look at us all gather around anticipating these devices lol.
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^^ So, they didn't wait for the 8th? How long have you been with AT&T? Let us know how you find it.
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I'm guessing he got lucky - I called 3 stores today, and none would give it out today. This includes the primary AT&T store in Houston.
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I'm guessing he got lucky - I called 3 stores today, and none would give it out today. This includes the primary AT&T store in Houston.
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Yep, I was even given a time tomorrow that they'll be allowed to give them out - 3 p.m. Not sure if I buy that, but he did say I was the only person who even asked
They didn't act like it was any big deal. I asked for one, and he just went into the back of the store and got it.
I had gone in last Wednesday to ask if they had the approved microsd card, and they said that they didn't have anything in the store yet, but that I could come in on Sunday and pick up the phone.
I'm having trouble with Zune. I can't get Zune to see the phone when I plug it into the computer. I don't know if it is because I already have a Zune 80 assigned to the computer or not.
Other than that, it is pretty snazzy.
I've been with AT&T for several years. 10 maybe? They weren't AT&T at the time...
Hey Kbanes,
What type of micro SDHC card did ATT sell you?
Looks like the Microsoft stores may be exchanging units with people who purchased them this week. This article -
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/dell-venue-pro-suffering-wifi-problems/
Seems to indicate that they people who purchased the unit will be able to exchange them for ones that do not have batteries labeled as Engineering Samples. I called my local store and they said they were not sure when they would be getting them back but would call once they did.
Now I am not sure if this is a real issue (I have not had the WiFi problems) or just something that Microsoft wants to take care of quick. Anyone else have contact with their Microsoft store yet about this issue?
I exchanged mine today. No questions, i mentioned the wifi issue and the battery... and all was taken care of.
The store was so awesome about the issue that they even hooked me up with a free 1 year zune pass.
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I exchanged mine today. No questions, i mentioned the wifi issue and the battery... and all was taken care of.
The store was so awesome about the issue that they even hooked me up with a free 1 year zune pass.
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What are you serious, which store is this, I called the Illinois store and was asking them about it and they were sold out on the 8th
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What are you serious, which store is this, I called the Illinois store and was asking them about it and they were sold out on the 8th
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My brother and I and my two coworkers purchased them from the Oakbrook, IL store on the 8th. We all received calls from the Microsoft store this evening and I can confirm what you've read. They didn't know anything about the storage onboard, but said to expect a call near the end of the week. My brother for sure has the WiFi issue, I do not, and my two coworkers haven't even tried their WiFi yet.
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Joe, You must have been in line with me @ the Cali store. Did you go to Mission Viejo?
Looks like I got an engineering sample too but i'm back home in WA state!
Dell is now saying that replacement units will be at stores at the end of next week. Seems they made a full statement here -
http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...eries-on-some-dell-venue-pro-smartphones.aspx
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Joe, You must have been in line with me @ the Cali store. Did you go to Mission Viejo?
Looks like I got an engineering sample too but i'm back home in WA state!
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Yah, thats the one i went to. But i didnt wait in line, i got there later (11:30-12) and snagged the last one.
More info on this: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...eries-on-some-dell-venue-pro-smartphones.aspx
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Yah, thats the one i went to. But i didnt wait in line, i got there later (11:30-12) and snagged the last one.
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Ah, I left right before 11:30AM.
Looks like since i bought the phone while traveling, Microsoft Store will be mailing me the replacement next week. And a 1yr zune pass! Amazing customer service...
Was just at my local Microsoft store (for an unrelated issue) and they took my info and said they expected them sometime next week. Will be a shipment just for the initial buyers. This store had sold 10 units.
thats bullcrap I want my Dell Venue Pro
What do you think it is going to be like on the 16th? When BestBuy says stuff like this
There will be no pre-orders on the Nexus S. Units will be distributed on a first-come-first-served basis on launch day. We will use a ticketing system much like we do on Black Friday to allocate inventory and keep the process organized.
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it worries me I mean because Id hate to be without a phone until I found an NS..I have 3 Bestbuys within 20 minutes of me and are pretty sure even if the demand is high enough for them to need to use a ticketing system. or maybe the supply is low? But either way If i have to wake up at 7AM to be there when they open I will
Just curious as to what you all think?
I am not worrying about it. People here seem not very into those modern toys. There are two Bestbuys nearby. I guess I'll just drop by when I wake up.
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Just curious as to what you all think?
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I really have no clue and wish I did
I think there will be a VERY tiny amount of people that actually know / are ready to buy the Nexus-S on it's debut date but one of the smart guys on here suggested going to a best buy that doesn't sell T-mobile handsets in order to increase your chances.
I'd say you would def be able to get your phone on the day of launch though
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I really have no clue and wish I did
I think there will be a VERY tiny amount of people that actually know / are ready to buy the Nexus-S on it's debut date but one of the smart guys on here suggested going to a best buy that doesn't sell T-mobile handsets in order to increase your chances.
I'd say you would def be able to get your phone on the day of launch though
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Ya, i figure get there when they open and you should be good if anything
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Ya, i figure get there when they open and you should be good if anything
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Yeah you'll be fine
I mean, in the entire 10 months I've had the Nexus-1 I've only seen one other person with it. Chances are it will be the same for the Nexus-S and you will get it no problems
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Yeah you'll be fine
I mean, in the entire 10 months I've had the Nexus-1 I've only seen one other person with it. Chances are it will be the same for the Nexus-S and you will get it no problems
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ya ive only seen one person with a N1 as well but you forget the N1 was only sold online and not advertised at all...maybe we will see an ad campaign starting Monday
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ya ive only seen one person with a N1 as well but you forget the N1 was only sold online and not advertised at all...maybe we will see an ad campaign starting Monday
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True, very true, good points. It wouldn't surprise me to see a TV advertisement since Google made that commercial with the view were your looking at the persons feet the whole time.
Im sure they will seeing as the N1 was a "marketing failure" but i really hope we dont end up seeing every other person with a NS...thats why i loved the N1, very unique
Personally, I think your chances of grabbing one are good. It seems to be very similar to the galaxy line, and if samsumg sold 3 million in the us, I know those folks won't be ready to shell out $600.00 four months later.
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I am gonna ask my dad, to pick one for me from Cincinnati - Best Buy. There are 3 in cincinnati, I guess. I hope he gets to pick one after 3-4 days from there. Say by 20th December.
I stopped by my local best buys all of which dont carry tmobile and all of which have NOOOO idea about the Nexus and are saying they wont be getting it because it is a Tmobile device
Bestbuy is sooo assbackwards they have no idea whats going on with the device
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I stopped by my local best buys all of which dont carry tmobile and all of which have NOOOO idea about the Nexus and are saying they wont be getting it because it is a Tmobile device
Bestbuy is sooo assbackwards they have no idea whats going on with the device
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Did you read their FAQ? They stated that they are currently spreading the news among all Best Buys. It just takes time and if the manager of the stores don't tell the employees, then expect to hear that from the employees.
The Nexus S doesn't have the popularity of the iPhone, so I'd assume supply/demand will just be fine. Possibly, a Best Buy located in a populated area would get more in stock than those that aren't. Just my guess.
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Did you read their FAQ? They stated that they are currently spreading the news among all Best Buys. It just takes time and if the manager of the stores don't tell the employees, then expect to hear that from the employees.
The Nexus S doesn't have the popularity of the iPhone, so I'd assume supply/demand will just be fine. Possibly, a Best Buy located in a populated area would get more in stock than those that aren't. Just my guess.
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ya i know, im just trying to be sure, because Id hate to be without a phone, I do business on my phone so not having one would really suck.
Talking to some managers they said that Sunday is the "new product ad drop"
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ya ive only seen one person with a N1 as well but you forget the N1 was only sold online and not advertised at all...maybe we will see an ad campaign starting Monday
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Ive only seen 1 person also
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Am I the only one seeing the Nexus S ads on these very forums? (HTC ads come up too).
It's funny talking about the Nexus S with the ad flying around in that ad bar...
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Am I the only one seeing the Nexus S ads on these very forums? (HTC ads come up too).
It's funny talking about the Nexus S with the ad flying around in that ad bar...
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I believe the ads are handled by google so figure if your searching for Nexus S on google you will get targeted ads, and this is a phone site so it makes sense
Only 157 best buy mobile stores will have the phone, thats the latest info i heard
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Only 157 best buy mobile stores will have the phone, thats the latest info i heard
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From where or is this a secret source that you can't tell us? Just wandering.
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From where or is this a secret source that you can't tell us? Just wandering.
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Ive been on the phone with Best Buy/NExus S Call center since 10 AM PST and up until 4PM I was told that they have no information that they can tell me. But then on one of my batches of calls they all told me the same thing, 157 Best Buy stores/Best buy mobile will be getting them.
But i was also told buy one of the reps, who i talked to for a good 45 minutes about the subject that they get new information every day and i should continue calling them because they give out info as they get it
He says that by the 14th they should have information as to what stores will be getting the NS.
Take it for what its worth, thats just the info i got from them . Just doing some digging of my own but i will be calling to see if there is anything new they can tell me and ill keep you guys updated if anything
You know, I really don't think it'll be out of stock. You should be able to get a piece easily.
Back when Dell first officially announced the Venue Pro, they made a big deal about how they were going to use this phone internally, replacing all their employees' Blackberries. This was a very strong selling point for me. My recent experiences with other Dell products had been decidedly negative, and I was very wary giving any more money to this company for another crappy product that they refused to support. My wife's laptop developed hard drive & hibernation/sleep problems, and Dell support stonewalled the multitude of user complaints in a similar fashion as they are now doing with the DVP.
The DVP had a compelling form factor and screen, and I was intrigued. I figured if the company was committing to using it internally, then they would fix whatever problems arose. I wonder if Dell employees are having this same spate of issues, if they've had to serve as guinea pigs for firmware updates, and how many have requested their Blackberries back? Any anonymous lurkers here wishing to chime in?
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Back when Dell first officially announced the Venue Pro, they made a big deal about how they were going to use this phone internally, replacing all their employees' Blackberries. This was a very strong selling point for me. My recent experiences with other Dell products had been decidedly negative, and I was very wary giving any more money to this company for another crappy product that they refused to support. My wife's laptop developed hard drive & hibernation/sleep problems, and Dell support stonewalled the multitude of user complaints in a similar fashion as they are now doing with the DVP.
The DVP had a compelling form factor and screen, and I was intrigued. I figured if the company was committing to using it internally, then they would fix whatever problems arose. I wonder if Dell employees are having this same spate of issues, if they've had to serve as guinea pigs for firmware updates, and how many have requested their Blackberries back? Any anonymous lurkers here wishing to chime in?
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Good point, I had forgotten about the employee phone issue. MS made big news for doing a similar thing for their employees....I wonder how many regret that step.
I recall the sleep/hiberation issue. I also recall that it was not isolated to Dell. Toshiba and HP had the issue on their laptops..and I assume many others did too. I don't recall seeing conversations with those companies until a fix was in place. I'm not advocating the silence part of anything....but Dell is not alone in keeping its collective mouth shut.
Does Samsung talk openly about the hardware issues on the Focus and Omnia? Does HTC talk opening about the amazing piece of crap called the surround? How about the wonderful display screen on the HD7.....
I think the difference is in how fast they respond with a fix. Samsung got many of the hardware issues tweeked in no time. I understand HTC fixed some hardware hiccups also. But so far....nothing from Dell. That is my irritant....not the keeping quiet....in the time since the problems were reported, they have released a Open market phone for Europe and India, they have released a phone for AT&T. Both with new FW. The Open market phone had a FW of 210 and has the same problem. the AT&T phone has a ROM of 209 and so far I don't see any reports of the same problem.....210 was released before 209......
I have a 8gb AT&T DVP and the problems are still there. I experience crashes and freezes. I haven't bothered sending it in after learning it takes 3-6 weeks to process the phone once they get it back. I don't think I can go that long without a phone. So, I will most likely be switching out the SD card to a 32gb and saying **** you to the dell warranty since it sucks anyways.(Covers defective phones but they are all defective)
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I have a 8gb AT&T DVP and the problems are still there. I experience crashes and freezes. I haven't bothered sending it in after learning it takes 3-6 weeks to process the phone once they get it back. I don't think I can go that long without a phone. So, I will most likely be switching out the SD card to a 32gb and saying **** you to the dell warranty since it sucks anyways.(Covers defective phones but they are all defective)
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If you're willing to swap out a card....why not try a Hard reset first....if you haven't already done so. I know its not the fix all...but sometimes it works. The 8g version was not known to have problems...so if you are seeing them....it might be something else....
Do a hard reset and see how the phone works afterwards....
Aww gotta got my apps all over again but it would be worth it if I don't have these issues anymore
How do I hard reset? Is it just that option to reset the phone?
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To the original question, I seriously doubt anyone at dell and definitely no one at Microsoft is using the crap, no way these problems would have been left for so long if those employees could not use them.
They made a big fuss over the announcement but after that silence. You would think when they were actually deployed that would also be announced, methinks they used us as double beta testers (WP7 & DVP) and when the experiment failed spectacularly they shelved that project.
My brother works at Dell and he says the ARE using the DVP...I will have to ask him if anyone is complaining of issues.
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My brother works at Dell and he says the ARE using the DVP...I will have to ask him if anyone is complaining of issues.
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Well that sure as hell explains why jack-nothing is getting done with these lemons. If they are trying to do any work on these things, they aren't getting more than 5 seconds of good hard nose grinding in, before this crap crashes.
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To the original question, I seriously doubt anyone at dell and definitely no one at Microsoft is using the crap, no way these problems would have been left for so long if those employees could not use them.
They made a big fuss over the announcement but after that silence. You would think when they were actually deployed that would also be announced, methinks they used us as double beta testers (WP7 & DVP) and when the experiment failed spectacularly they shelved that project.
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I used to work at Microsoft and have a bunch of friends there, mostly in various field and sales positions. Just about everyone I have spoken to has a Windows Phone now, most of those are carrying the Focus. Nobody I know there has a DVP.
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I used to work at Microsoft and have a bunch of friends there, mostly in various field and sales positions. Just about everyone I have spoken to has a Windows Phone now, most of those are carrying the Focus. Nobody I know there has a DVP.
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I know several people at Microsoft with the Dell. But there are not many.
Ditto.. I have a few friends at Xbox. I think it has to do with 2 things..
1) T-mobile sucks in Seattle and Redmond (Lots of Dead zones.. even in Pikes Market area, thats my experience anyway) - This would seem to be why, as someone noted, there seem to be more Focuses (and I noticed a lot of Surrounds as well) at MS.
2) The sales approach, as the phone wasn't available at T-mo stores in the WA area. I mean really didn't Dell realize when Google with a big budget AND T-mobile behind them couldn't sell the Nexus One and closed its online store this was NOT the way to go. They even repeated Google by coming out later with an AT&T version again only available online. Why did Dell think a LESS aggressive but yet similar "online only" sales approach would work.
3) Issues with the DVP from the start..
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Ditto.. I have a few friends at Xbox. I think it has to do with 2 things..
1) T-mobile sucks in Seattle and Redmond (Lots of Dead zones.. even in Pikes Market area, thats my experience anyway) - This would seem to be why, as someone noted, there seem to be more Focuses (and I noticed a lot of Surrounds as well) at MS.
2) The sales approach, as the phone wasn't available at T-mo stores in the WA area. I mean really didn't Dell realize when Google with a big budget AND T-mobile behind them couldn't sell the Nexus One and closed its online store this was NOT the way to go. They even repeated Google by coming out later with an AT&T version again only available online. Why did Dell think a LESS aggressive but yet similar "online only" sales approach would work.
3) Issues with the DVP from the start..
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Actually I think it was more about timing. WP shipped Oct 21 in Europe and November 8 in the USA. The first 'fixed' sells arrived on December 21. By then most MS employees not on sprint or Verizon had purchased the focus or the hd7.
I called 2 Best Buys in my area to see when they'll receive the 10.1. Neither of them knew when. Are they just incompetent or is there a delay coming?!
its because they dont want to get bugged tomorrow... be patient
That's what I considered as well, but I asked them to check their computers. After they "checked" they transferred me to another Best Buy saying "maybe they'll know".
What is this area of yours? I wonder if the tab will be available everywhere on friday.
DC/MD area. I'm probably going to go tomorrow to ask them in person. We'll see how that goes. Should be, it did say nationwide release.
Best buy associates are notorious morons, not unheard of that they wouldn't know what is going on.
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Bb in silverdale and tacoma, wa don't know what a pre-order is, apparently... They don't know how many they are getting either. Shyte.
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DC/MD area. I'm probably going to go tomorrow to ask them in person. We'll see how that goes. Should be, it did say nationwide release.
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I pre-ordered the 32gb metallic grey one from the BB in Waldorf, MD back on the 9th.
I got sent from the cell phone section to the computer section and back a few times before someone figured out what to do but yeah...they finally got me in there. They tried to check to see what models they'd have in stock and nothing showed up anywhere so yeah... I'm really hoping when I go in Friday to pick mine up that they actually have it, otherwise I'll be trying to find some place that does.
Got passed around from customer service to mobile to computers to the website trying to preorder with no luck. I was told I could do the preorder online and pick it up launch day at the store instead of having it shipped. Web site told me to screw myself and only get it shipped to my house for extra $... After all that I talked to the manager. I gave the SKU to the her to look up delivery times. There is 0 for the entire state of Washington for the foreseeable future.
The website now lists 6/17-6/24 as the arrival time.
Getting pissed.
Went to 2 Best Buy stores in NY and the employees actually new about the Tab and confirmed Friday as the release date.
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I pre-ordered the 32gb metallic grey one from the BB in Waldorf, MD back on the 9th.
I got sent from the cell phone section to the computer section and back a few times before someone figured out what to do but yeah...they finally got me in there. They tried to check to see what models they'd have in stock and nothing showed up anywhere so yeah... I'm really hoping when I go in Friday to pick mine up that they actually have it, otherwise I'll be trying to find some place that does.
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I'm going to Virginia Beach Friday so I was trying to get my tablet 10am when BB opens so I can use it on the ride down. Now I'm not even sure if that'll happen, great! But it seems not many people are pre-ordering or are even aware of this tablet coming out so odds are, you can probably go into any BB and get one, if they receive any. I may just do that I'm in Virginia Beach.
My local store already had the cases in stock (at least the folio) so I'm fairly confident they will have them Friday. They also said that there is some special display that is being set up for them on Sunday so definitely by then. I preordered so the thing better be there Friday. Haha.
I can assure you that the your local Best Buy will have them in stock Friday. If you haven't pre-ordered (tell the associate to pull the form from ETK) make sure you get there about 15mins prior to open or even earlier for your best chance of getting one.
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I can assure you that the your local Best Buy will have them in stock Friday. If you haven't pre-ordered (tell the associate to pull the form from ETK) make sure you get there about 15mins prior to open or even earlier for your best chance of getting one.
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Are you implying supplies will be short?
I am not sure if there will be shortage of supply, but BB still had plenty of white 16GB's at NYC Union Sq location, and according to the sales associates there it's been selling like cupcakes.
When I was there to get mine a couple asked about it thinking it was an iPad2, and ended up buying the GT!
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When I was there to get mine a couple asked about it thinking it was an iPad2, and ended up buying the GT!
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"Oh look honey. The new iPad 3 is out already!"
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I can assure you that the your local Best Buy will have them in stock Friday. If you haven't pre-ordered (tell the associate to pull the form from ETK) make sure you get there about 15mins prior to open or even earlier for your best chance of getting one.
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Are you implying supplies will be short?
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Yes, I too would like to know if you're implying this.
yes bestbuy didnt seem to know what they were talking about when i called. I decided to drive the 2 hrs to new york best buy to pick one up early
strangely after only having the tablets since the 8th they had quite a few oben box tabs which im not sure is a good sign but i was able to save 50 dollars and youd never know it was a return still had the factory plastic all over almost like whoever bought it returned it without even giving it a try
FYI...best buy in pentagon city has about 20 in stock. Just picked one up!!
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