Does anybody have any clues why we haven't seen any new froyo firmwares so far? (we had a wave of jp1 to jp3 and then silence)
Is it because
a. Such new firmwares exist but are not leaked anymore (samsung detected the leak) or
b. Such new firmwares do not exist in the sense that they are still being developed and not even nightly builds exist? (which I doubt).
I would have expected Samsung to have given something to its beta testers to play with..
Just a thought..
There were a lot of tweets about your question.
Sadly, the correct answer is A.
Here is the latest:
http://twitter.com/SamsungFirmware/status/21474133152
It's probably more complicated (and I have a theory).
Firstly, the firmware's were probably leaked because Samsung got sick of the people who kept running around saying they were liars and were simply telling people what they wanted to hear. So, they possibly released JP# themselves. It's also possible a carrier requested them for internal testing with Froyo, and they were leaked by the carrier (after all, carriers also want to work on their own customisations, and leakers get an adrenaline rush).
Secondly, having hung around the Songbird project before, Songbird stopped releasing early betas because people are morons. People would post duplicates of known bugs dozens of times wasting resources, and would make ridiculous assumptions based on unfinished code.. It's probable that many people are returning their phones in part because they don't see evidence of change in leaked firmwares. Even now, despite saying they are still working on the GPS fixes, there are a few people running around screaming "it wont get fixed, because Samsung are only making minor changes in leaked firmware".
Then, it's also possible the tree is too broken at the moment to release to anyone, some of the programmers are on leave (it isn't impossible to believe they were working 24/7 up to the launch date of the phone), or they are working on GPS problems and such, which are so complex that they need to be merged in one shot.
Anyway, we can't know for sure, but its a good thing actually if Samsung don't release every single build they compile..
Incredible how much info on the new Froyo update on this forum is plain Incorrect. Devices with original Dutch (Netherlands) product codes are not oficially upgradeable yet nor are they in Germany or any other countries on the European mainland! Anyone who claims it is either didn't remove the KIES hack properly or changed their product code accidentally in a previous flash.
As far as I know the update is as of yet oficially only available to Scandinavian customers. They do this because it is a small market with relatively few technologically challenged customers. If there are any major flaws (major meaning so big it would result in legal problems or put a serious strain on the user experience if they went ahead seeding the fw to a greater subset of customers) in the firmware they will correct it before rolling it out to other markets. Nokia (with the very flawed N97) and Sony Ericisson are both known to follow this logic as well and usually pick the Nordic countries as guinea pigs (or sometimes even more narrowed down to only Norway).
But don't take my word for it, take a look at this video from Nokia's highest product manager.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBah223no8Y&feature=player_embedded
Hi, Finland here. Stock, unrooted --> Kies kindly offered to upgrade my SGS to 2.2 a few days ago - YAY!
I am really, really pissed off right now. So far, I've come upon about 50 force close bugs. In addition to that, I have found very little (or none) new features that I really need or even notice, or any improvements/fixes.
But I TRUST all these will be fixed for you all in other countries!
thurtig said:
Hi, Finland here. Stock, unrooted --> Kies kindly offered to upgrade my SGS to 2.2 a few days ago - YAY!
I am really, really pissed off right now. So far, I've come upon about 50 force close bugs. In addition to that, I have found very little (or none) new features that I really need or even notice, or any improvements/fixes.
But I TRUST all these will be fixed for you all in other countries!
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Thank you for playing guinea pig, because of you I won't have to be angry
There is just one slight problem.
We keep reporting bugs to Samsung Finland, but their response is mostly:
"We haven't come across this before. We are really surprised."
This is even for show-stopper bugs like the "can't receive SMS messages" bug, which is highly annoying (btw, this is an Eclari 2.1 bug, haven't tested under 2.2).
So, my question is: what good is all this testing, if they don't take feedback from experienced developers/users/testers/debuggers seriously?
vasra said:
There is just one slight problem.
We keep reporting bugs to Samsung Finland, but their response is mostly:
"We haven't come across this before. We are really surprised."
This is even for show-stopper bugs like the "can't receive SMS messages" bug, which is highly annoying (btw, this is an Eclari 2.1 bug, haven't tested under 2.2).
So, my question is: what good is all this testing, if they don't take feedback from experienced developers/users/testers/debuggers seriously?
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I guess the problem is that this strategy of using a contained set of customers as test case is thought out by a couple of geniuses in Samsung corporate and they fail to direct the resources necessary to pump up customer service departments in those areas to handle reports from users. Receiving bug reports from the right people in one thing, logging and handling them is quite another trait.
I therefore doubt that the goal of seeding the firmware to tech savvy Scandinavians with high speed broadband connections is really to receive bug reports from them. Bug reports are usually only picked up at an earlier stage of development. Basically, the feedback from the Scandinavians is used to either decide whether to go ahead releasing the fw to the rest of the world or to send it back to the development team for further fixing.
You are right to note that this makes the whole idea behind the strategy seem like weak. However, the goal of the test is only to assure that the new firmware does not cause any major deterioration in usability or customer experience. Remaining smaller issues can also be fixed once the firmware is rolled out to a greater population of customers.
You should look at the release in the Scandinavian countries as step 3 superseding testing first by Samsung's own engineers and second by people in e.g. this community two whom the software is intentionally "leaked". The leak being Samsung making it possible to test for them by changing one line in a text file.
Could be that their servers are simply not prepared for a simultaneous global release.
They say galaxy s sales have already passed the 5M mark...
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pmos69 said:
Could be that their servers are simply not prepared for a simultaneous global release.
They say galaxy s sales have already passed the 5M mark...
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That would be one possibility. It happened to apple when they released the iPhone 3G simultaneously with an update for the iPhone 2G. I remember apple's servers being so overloaded that customers couldn't activate their newly purchased 3G devices. I don't think it explains though why Samsung hasn't released the fw outside of Scandinavia yet.
pmos69 said:
Could be that their servers are simply not prepared for a simultaneous global release.
They say galaxy s sales have already passed the 5M mark...
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Not a bad point at all.
I mean, they're a Fortune 500 company so you expect them to have the infrastructure to perform a worldwide release but perhaps they did encounter these issues.
Or perhaps it's typical samsung bs
thurtig said:
Hi, Finland here. Stock, unrooted --> Kies kindly offered to upgrade my SGS to 2.2 a few days ago - YAY!
I am really, really pissed off right now. So far, I've come upon about 50 force close bugs. In addition to that, I have found very little (or none) new features that I really need or even notice, or any improvements/fixes.
But I TRUST all these will be fixed for you all in other countries!
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Thanks for testing the firmware for us (Y)... cheers!
I am trying to put this point to my fellow Xda members that even if these firmwares are released thru kies, they may still be public beta or Rc. Like all the eclair jmx builds which some claim to be released to a specific location, could only prove that they are testing the software among a specific group of people.
Most probably a release will have a proper timestamp on the firmware code. I still firmly believe jpm is a Rc at best unless Samsung confirms it to be a release.
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Prankey said:
I still firmly believe jpm is a Rc at best unless Samsung confirms it to be a release.
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Samsung has confirmed the version they are rolling out to the Nordic region now is "The Android 2.2 upgrade". (press release)
That's not to say they won't release a different version to the rest of the world, but it is not an RC.
Have any of the guys that upgraded and have problems, tried to factory reset the phone?
Froyo is somewhat different from Eclair and i think, that you should wipe at least dalvik cache, to have the stable device (that's from my experience with Hero).
I've read, that people have issues after upgrade, but everything's starting to work fine after wipe.
Personally i've updated to froyo using Kies registry hack, but after update i did factory reset, and i do not have ANY issues with the phone.
So if the rest of the world is going to get froyo through kies until the end of October, nobody is saying anything about the OTA update.
Anyone has a guesstimate on OTA update?
szczeslaw said:
Have any of the guys that upgraded and have problems, tried to factory reset the phone?
Froyo is somewhat different from Eclair and i think, that you should wipe at least dalvik cache, to have the stable device (that's from my experience with Hero).
I've read, that people have issues after upgrade, but everything's starting to work fine after wipe.
Personally i've updated to froyo using Kies registry hack, but after update i did factory reset, and i do not have ANY issues with the phone.
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same here - factory reset - phone all good.
been using Copilot for 4 days or so now ... and has not missed a trick - work is 35 plus miles - even handled bluetooth calls while using copilot - no problems so far.
problem with my mic though so need tmobile to update so i can take it back
szczeslaw said:
Have any of the guys that upgraded and have problems, tried to factory reset the phone?
Froyo is somewhat different from Eclair and i think, that you should wipe at least dalvik cache, to have the stable device (that's from my experience with Hero).
I've read, that people have issues after upgrade, but everything's starting to work fine after wipe.
Personally i've updated to froyo using Kies registry hack, but after update i did factory reset, and i do not have ANY issues with the phone.
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conuk said:
same here - factory reset - phone all good.
been using Copilot for 4 days or so now ... and has not missed a trick - work is 35 plus miles - even handled bluetooth calls while using copilot - no problems so far.
problem with my mic though so need tmobile to update so i can take it back
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+1
I probably went overboard but coming from a variety of symbian handsets I always like to start from a clean slate when upgrading to a major firmware.
I was on Tayutama's JM8 ROM. I backed up my contacts via Kies (even though I already had a backup on Outlook). I used SMS BackUp & Restore and Call Logs BackUp & Restore to save my SMS/Call log info. I didn't back up anything through Titanium. I un-did RyanZA's OCLF.
I then flashed a stock JM8 through Odin with .512 pit re-partition checked. Booted up phone and reset to factory settings.
Then upgraded to JP6 through Kies with XEE registry hack. Then factory wiped again (Probably unnecassary, I know). Then restored contacts from Kies and SMS/Call Logs from the Back & Restore apps. Re-installed all apps manually through AppBrain again. (I read restoring from Titanium causes conflict with the new firmware).
Been running it for 3 days without reboot and no force closes and the battery life is the same as before. Loving the new froyo features. No SMS bugs, Market App present and upgraded, no camera bugs, wifi even better than JM8, GPS slightly better - good enough for the occasional car navigation. The only issues I've had are with the browser which now crashes on the Guardian website, when it never used to before. But the flash websites work like a charm.
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Been running it for 3 days without reboot and no force closes and the battery life is the same as before. Loving the new froyo features. No SMS bugs, no camera bugs, wifi even better than JM8, GPS slightly better - good enough for the occasional car navigation. The only issues I've had are with the browser which now crashes on the Guardian website, when it never used to before. But the flash websites work like a charm.
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Do you have moved apps to SD card? Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications -> Third-party -> app -> Move to SD card?
- After boot the icons of the moved apps have gone from the Home pages and Folders.
Do you have in the Contacts all the letters on the right side selection?
- There is only two letters and a dot etc. Third of the letters have gone away. There could be contacts or not, no direct pick to contact any more.
etc.
Yes, I made factory reset before upgrade.
I'm very disappointed to the upgrade, but there is one cheerful feature for me. I have bought two Samsung phones at once: the first one and the last one.
I just can't understand why you are moving apps to sd on sgs? Man you have 2gb internal memory for your apps. What's the point?
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We got a statement from a Samsung offical. I cant post a link here because I'm a "new" member (more like old lurker), but if you go to droidnytt.no with google translate you'll see it. Basically it was taken down.
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Do you have moved apps to SD card? Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications -> Third-party -> app -> Move to SD card?
- After boot the icons of the moved apps have gone from the Home pages and Folders.
Do you have in the Contacts all the letters on the right side selection?
- There is only two letters and a dot etc. Third of the letters have gone away. There could be contacts or not, no direct pick to contact any more.
etc.
Yes, I made factory reset before upgrade.
I'm very disappointed to the upgrade, but there is one cheerful feature for me. I have bought two Samsung phones at once: the first one and the last one.
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Nope, haven't moved any apps to SD. Didn't see the point when I have 2GB storage.
Now that you mentioned the Contacts letters on the right hand side, yes, I do have some random letters (every third or fourth letter) replaced with a dot. But the sliding search still works the same way and I can access the contacts in the relevant alphabet area. Looks odd, but not a deal-breaker for me.
I am enjoying this release of froyo. It will see through until Samsung release the proper UK release which I will then no doubt be eager to adopt anyway.
Before this thread goes any further, would the OP please explain how they know this?
Because, for all we know, it may be fiction. There have been plenty of cases here where stuff has been "confirmed" by people, and the reality was, their "confirmation" was based on guessing, or rumor sites.
So I'd like to know how we know this to be true? Whilst I'd be inclined to believe that the mobile carrier simply decided that they wanted to rollout a beta, and it is true, that is an opinion. And I'd like to see others start to challenge claims made here, just to be sure we are accurate
So I have been reading around about the new android update Gingerbread. The details are that it should be released in the next day or two to nexus one users. So my question was how long till other phones get it? I mean it is open source therefor it should be on the internet therefor it should be a matter of just getting an update, am I correct?
I wasn't here when the 2.1 to 2.2 update happened so i'm not really sure how this whole thing happens but some of the features in Gingerbread look amazing so I would love to get it ASAP.
So anyone with any info on this matter please speak up, and thanks in advance.
For custom ROMs like Fission it could be a couple weeks to a few months. Transitioning to basically a new OS does take time.
For stock ROMs it will be even longer. Motorolla will need to update all the Blur apps and put them through extensive quality control testing before the update is pushed out.
I wonder whether it will be possible to get Gingerbread working with the current kernel (since the kernel can't be changed for the time being).
I know that the kernel version on Gingerbread is different than on Froyo (2.6.32 vs 33 or 34), but I'm not sure whether anything important has changed that would prevent Gingerbread from working.
I know the Kernal/Bootloader is locked but how does that effect Gingerbread? Will we still be able to push it ourselves (I.e. leaked build or even just the update itself) or will we have to wait for Verizon/Motorola to release an official update?
Hello All,
Hope we are all having a Merry Xmas so far, and no-one else is suffering with a broken boiler and water mains....at least we have our internet and streaks to keep us busy.
Well, here goes. I am a relatively new streak owner, and the streak is my first foray into the world of android. I wasnt very happy with my 1.6 legacy system and was overjoyed to see the official 2.2 update finally drop from o2 (that was a long time coming!!!). I am now getting more accustomed to android, and I see that if I want to stay up to date in this world I really should be using DJ Steves Streakdroid. What I cannot seem to find out from many places is why.
What does StreakDroid offer me that the official FroYo doesnt? Does anyone have screenshots to show me how it actually looks. I dont seem to think the official FroYo is that bad, although I have only been running it for about 4 days!
Prior Handsets
HTC HD2 WM7
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I would also like to know the answer to this question. My wife and i both have the streak. ( She had to have the white one) Right now we are both running 2.2 with no issues. I can we go to DJ_steve and not have any issues. When i was running the first release of DJ_steve the camera settings kept rotating and the same with watching youtube.
well the streaks my first android as well....
I have been jumping around and flashing roms left right n centre, had the unlocked official 2.2, then added performance fix to it, then went to steves, then went to official o2's 2.2 and then finally now am sticking to steves 1.5.1..
the major reason for choosing this has been because of the performance improvements....his build really doesnt have any lags, free from carrier junk and also contants improvements and development happening(which though can be a pain if u dont like jumping around roms and have to backup each time)...
my personal suggestion would be...if u the type of person who is satisfied with the performance of the official 2.2 and have no probs with it, and also dont like flashing roms then stick to the official build.
on the other hand if u like fast development speeds and pretty regular updates to ur existing roms, plus a faster rom, however with some issues (such as gps fixes and accelerometer being doggy at times for some people) then u shud shift to steve's...
another suggestion is...u cud probably install the official 318 or 315 builds and apply the performance fixes( basically flashes steve's kernal into ur official build), then u probably have the official 2.2 and also the performance fixes from steves rom...
either ways its more dependent on what u are satisfied with...u can always give steves rom a try, and if u dont like it then flash back the original...
sorry for grammar mistakes...wrote it in a hurry...
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