I have seen it asked, I have NOT seen it answered and maybe it should be, we are not all Android literate .... whats the difference between the builds. what makes Froyo differant then Evo, what makes Desire so special ? should be a sticky if people do answer... how do you have an Android QA and not have that front and center
ok im not going to get into too much detail on this because the information is readily available all over these forums....
froyo = the version of android (2.2) the one before was eclair (I think) the next one will be gingerbread..... google decided it would be a good idea to name them after food for some reason....
my guess is that the company is secretly run by a 4 year old.....
desire / evo = different models of android phones that the android builds are taken from......
Froyo means Android v2.2. This can be EVO or Desire. Desire and EVO builds are made of the HTC RUUs of the devices "EVO" or "Desire".
Please correct me if I'm wrong xD...
was too slow
nah my fault..... was too quick
Sorry I'm also new to all this. So apart from the apparent sources of the builds, how are they different in terms of functionality and compatibility to our HD2?
I have tried both the desire build and the evo build, and didn't notice much different.
However, I have heard people (including Darkstone) saying that the desire builds work better overall due to hardware similarities. As far as I know, MDJ has also stopped updating his only evo build, and is currently actively working on 3 desire builds. I'm running his evo build right now and loving it.
I'm just wondering what are the specific underlying differences between an evo and a desire build? Why would some users and clefs prefer the desire build over an evo build?
Thanks!
jparity said:
Sorry I'm also new to all this. So apart from the apparent sources of the builds, how are they different in terms of functionality and compatibility to our HD2?
I have tried both the desire build and the evo build, and didn't notice much different.
However, I have heard people (including Darkstone) saying that the desire builds work better overall due to hardware similarities. As far as I know, MDJ has also stopped updating his only evo build, and is currently actively working on 3 desire builds. I'm running his evo build right now and loving it.
I'm just wondering what are the specific underlying differences between an evo and a desire build? Why would some users and clefs prefer the desire build over an evo build?
Thanks!
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ahh haaa see this guy gets my question =P I know that the builds are based on Official android releases ... duh, but whats the REAL difference in what they are capable of. I to have installed many different builds here and have favorite chefs and builds I use daily, but I am still not sure what the real difference is other then minor cosmetics in most cases ....
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Hi bros,
I really appreciate your work here. May anyone know when the Offical HTC Desire Froyo 2.2 ROM available?
Nexus One's Rom is good but no FM radio supported. Personally, I like HTC Sense more.
Really be? Expectations for the coming of God!
If I no mistake this is the build you looking for .... enjoy it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=747492
a nice search would of got you froyostone
here darkstone is the god first search on his post
+1 on that
Dear,
I tried the Froyostone already. Screen freeze is serious vs. Nexus One 2.2 Rom. I guess Froyostone is not the official release version.
So you're looking for an official (HTC sourced) Desire Sense build that will work on HD2...
Let me laugh a bit....
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The freezes have nothing to do with the build not being "official"
Since there's no "official" android kernel for the Leo, we have to make do with the half-hack kernel jobs that we currently have. Problem is, they come with the problems you mentioned.
Best you can do is wait for the kernels to get a little bit better.
Oh, and there's no "official" Android build for HD2 either. Both the stock Android builds, the Sense builds, and all other questinably-themed hack-jobs are PORTED to the Leo since there's not (and never will be) an "official" Android release for Leo.
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So you're looking for an official (HTC sourced) Desire Sense build that will work on HD2...
Let me laugh a bit....
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The freezes have nothing to do with the build not being "official"
Since there's no "official" android kernel for the Leo, we have to make do with the half-hack kernel jobs that we currently have. Problem is, they come with the problems you mentioned.
Best you can do is wait for the kernels to get a little bit better.
Oh, and there's no "official" Android build for HD2 either. Both the stock Android builds, the Sense builds, and all other questinably-themed hack-jobs are PORTED to the Leo since there's not (and never will be) an "official" Android release for Leo.
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I love you too
jubeh said:
So you're looking for an official (HTC sourced) Desire Sense build that will work on HD2...
Let me laugh a bit....
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The freezes have nothing to do with the build not being "official"
Since there's no "official" android kernel for the Leo, we have to make do with the half-hack kernel jobs that we currently have. Problem is, they come with the problems you mentioned.
Best you can do is wait for the kernels to get a little bit better.
Oh, and there's no "official" Android build for HD2 either. Both the stock Android builds, the Sense builds, and all other questinably-themed hack-jobs are PORTED to the Leo since there's not (and never will be) an "official" Android release for Leo.
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Epic post is epic!
Finally some sense coming from somebody in regards to people 'complaining' about things not working without understanding we should be happy for as much as we can have Andorid running on our beloved HD2 phones!
What is the difference between the eVo and Desire builds? I am trying to decide between MDJ FroYo Sense Clean v. 2.3 vs Mdeejay eVo Sense v2.3 rEVOlution. I isntalled both of them, they look about the same.
Is there a specific benefit of using one of the the other?
One of the key features I am not seeing in both builds is being able to Copy & Paste in Message app. And also, the feature of having numbers formated to (xxx) xxx-xxxx instead of xxxxxxxxxxx
One thing I've got to add to your topic is that i find that the eVo Sense build is faster and smother than the FroYo build (especially using MDJ's S2 kernal).
The one thing you should note though is that the eVo build is actually no longer supported (no more updates will provided for this build). Hope that helps you.
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One thing I've got to add to your topic is that i find that the eVo Sense build is faster and smother than the FroYo build (especially using MDJ's S2 kernal).
The one thing you should note though is that the eVo build is actually no longer supported (no more updates will provided for this build). Hope that helps you.
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So the eVo build is no longer supported only for the build released by m-deejay right? Other developers are still updating it?
Other than performance (faster and smoother) are there any other difference?
Greets all,
I was just curious about something, I read on here about alot of different things, and I see that alot of the Android builds are being based on the Desire, or the Desire HD, saying its the closest in hardware to the HD2, but Isnt the EVO just as close?
I played with an EVO, and looking at it, it looks very close to the HD2, Yes I know the screen is more color depth and the evo uses a 1.5 snapdragon(I think), but wouldnt this be a closer match too? I'm just trying to obviously like everyone else get a Build that works flawlessly (I know nothing is flawless), and is a good match. Not ever playing with a desire or desire hd I have no clue.
No one has a thought on this? How come more builds arent being based on the EVO?
I have been wondering the same thing. From all I've heard the EVO is a very good phone, and the Android installed on it is sweet. I don't understand why nobody has ported it for the HD2. Nor do I understand why TMO won't support Android on it. If Microsoft will not support it for Windows Phone 7 then they should open it up for Android.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_...gingerbread_on_16_may_in_the_uk-news-2638.php
The above article says that HTC Desire HD and Incredible S get Gingerbread on 16 May. Today is the 17th. Anybody got any news?
I'm sure these updates could help speed up the efforts to have a fully working version of Ginger-Sense for the HD2.
It's better to stick with your favorite Gingerbread Sense ROM for updates. If your favorite ROM thread is still support by the dev, he will surely upgrade his Sense build. Instead of making a thread that won't fasten his work. Give him a week or two after the official release date to update it in his thread.
I was asking because there's no Gingerbread Sense ROM that really works.
There are only 2 Sense ROMs that are Gingerbread based: imilka's Gingerbread Sense and RafDroid HD Gingerbread. Each of them has a long list of known issues and I assume they are made from bits and pieces of other Sense ROMs.
I assumed that having a Desire HD Ginger-ROM would stimulate other developers to get on board of similar projects.
I don't own a Desire HD so I don't know if the update has been released. I thought some of the people on this forum should know more on this issue.
I'm not trying to waste anyone's time, I was just asking a legitimate question.
PS: right now I'm running the same ROM that you are running.
of course there is no fully working one yet because the devs need access tothe source code and libraries used to be able to hack them to work on our hd2
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I was asking because there's no Gingerbread Sense ROM that really works.
There are only 2 Sense ROMs that are Gingerbread based: imilka's Gingerbread Sense and RafDroid HD Gingerbread. ...
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There are some more Gingerbread Sense rom's, but max. Android 2.3.3.
There are no V2.3.4 sense rom from HTC available.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058110
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=989289
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1076951
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075703
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075621
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1066279
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1062881 (Post 4+5)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052298
Have tried some, the stablest are the roms with the Sense 2.1 lock screen or the 3.0 one without the app-links. Pictures from the camera are a little bit unsharp with less light, camcorder works in no rom. But Dungphp said, it was working nearly. If you can live without the camera, you will have no graphical glitches. Had often start problems of the sense launcher, after install or after some reboot's.
All problems should be solved if HTC will release the code of the desire gingerbread kernel (!not desire HD, this is already released but hardware is more different).
I will check today and let you know.
Yeah i tried a few Ginger sense builds and whilst they are good they are still way too buggy for everday use not to mention the camcorder issue not resolved so i wont be flashing any more until they are stable.
Forgot the only solution to record a video. "Videocam illusion" record video's in .mov format at our sense gingerbread rom's, but the quality is not so good.
jonny68 said:
Yeah i tried a few Ginger sense builds and whilst they are good they are still way too buggy for everday use not to mention the camcorder issue not resolved so i wont be flashing any more until they are stable.
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+1, returned to stable froyo sense.
The stablest one was the sbryan12144 v0.2, no installation problem's and everthing working very fast. But the glitches and the bad camera and camcorder was 1 problem too much for me.
[16.May.11]BOYPPC-SHIFTPDA DESIRE HD V14*GINGER 2.3.4_Sense&HoneyComB V21*MIUI V2
Richy99 said:
of course there is no fully working one yet because the devs need access tothe source code and libraries used to be able to hack them to work on our hd2
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Yes, I know what they need to make the magic happen. I'm also a developer (C++/C#/SQL Windows software), and though I have little to no experience on Android software & ROMs, I know how hard they work for everything they do.
BTW HTC should kiss XDA's feet each and every morning. I got more support on this site than I ever got from HTC.
^^^it just so
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[16.May.11]BOYPPC-SHIFTPDA DESIRE HD V14*GINGER 2.3.4_Sense&HoneyComB V21*MIUI V2
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tried it but wayyyy too buggy at present.
http://htcdev.com/
What does this mean for us HD2 users?
It means we might have to wait a bit longer for the actual source to come available.. But there might be some interesting things in this ROM. We will know shortly
Sorry to keep asking questions, but what source is needed? I see the source for the GB kernels for various phones - what exactly is missing?
Just trying to understand better.
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Sorry to keep asking questions, but what source is needed? I see the source for the GB kernels for various phones - what exactly is missing?
Just trying to understand better.
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Asking questions is never wrong .. The source files contain drivers for the different phones, which is why they are all released seperately. Every device has different hardware, and the Desire has the closest resemblence to the hardware found in our HD2. This is also why many think the Desire source will really help in the development of Gingerbread ROM versions on the HD2 (like it did before on the previous Android releases, for example the camera).
What has been released on HTCdev.com (if I understand correctly), is the ROM upgrade itself, and not the actual kernel source. It may seem weird, because it is the only 'official' ROM upgrade that has been put up on HTCdev.com yet. They are not releasing it OTA (over the air) to all Desires, so they had to put it somewhere easy to be found by devs. This is why it has been put up on that page, which might have been confusing (because many would think it actually is the kernel source). As far as I can see, the package only contains the upgrade itself and 2 APK's. Usually it takes a while longer for this to become available, but per Linux license they are obliged to release it. Eventually.
I think there will be some interesting APK's in this ROM nevertheless.. We'll just have to wait until someone (one of the dev's) has explored the ROM thoroughly.
but it can't be to long from now till the sources are released.
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Asking questions is never wrong .. The source files contain drivers for the different phones, which is why they are all released seperately. Every device has different hardware, and the Desire has the closest resemblence to the hardware found in our HD2. This is also why many think the Desire source will really help in the development of Gingerbread ROM versions on the HD2 (like it did before on the previous Android releases, for example the camera).
What has been released on HTCdev.com (if I understand correctly), is the ROM upgrade itself, and not the actual kernel source. It may seem weird, because it is the only 'official' ROM upgrade that has been put up on HTCdev.com yet. They are not releasing it OTA (over the air) to all Desires, so they had to put it somewhere easy to be found by devs. This is why it has been put up on that page, which might have been confusing (because many would think it actually is the kernel sournce). As far as I can see, the package only contains the upgrade itself and 2 APK's. Usually it takes a while longer for this to become available, but per Linux license they are obliged to release it. Eventually.
I think there will be some interesting APK's in this ROM nevertheless.. We'll just have to wait until someone (one of the dev's) has explored the ROM thoroughly.
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Excellente. Couldn't have said it better. The update's been out for almost a week. And from videos that I've seen, HTC did not upgrade the Sense version to 2.1 or 2.0 for the matter.
But of course all we need is the kernel source.
I'd also like to ask any of the devs:
Will a new kernel need to be compiled when the Desire gingerbread source is released? Hint hint: Rafpigna 2.1?
Also, I'm not familiar with the OC deal, but is it possible to overclock over 1.5 ghz on our HD2? I've seen 1.9 ghz on Desire Z/G2, and almost 1.8 ghz on the DHD.
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Every device has different hardware, and the Desire has the closest resemblence to the hardware found in our HD2. This is also why many think the Desire source will really help in the development of Gingerbread ROM versions on the HD2 (like it did before on the previous Android releases, for example the camera).
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Does this mean that the the HD2 is on it's "last breath" with Android? Since the Desire isn't getting updated past Gingerbread...
What about Nexus One then? It is pretty much a redesigned Desire.
Or is this necessary for Sense ROMs only, and AOSP ROMs will still work?
Wouldn't it be possible to port something like Leedroid HD then? Since it's on the Desire and it works perfectly..
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Does this mean that the the HD2 is on it's "last breath" with Android? Since the Desire isn't getting updated past Gingerbread...
What about Nexus One then? It is pretty much a redesigned Desire.
Or is this necessary for Sense ROMs only, and AOSP ROMs will still work?
Wouldn't it be possible to port something like Leedroid HD then? Since it's on the Desire and it works perfectly..
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With Sense builds it is the end of the road I guess.. At least for any Android releases after Gingerbread. With the other builds I am not sure.. We have quite some driver source available, and with that we can probably simply compile them on the newer AOSP and non-sense ROMS. Sense is really a problem when it comes to source, because it is proprietary software written by HTC (no full source for Sense to simply cross-compile their libs). This is also why it is so hard to make decent Sense-builds whenever a new major Android release comes out. I could be wrong here though.
Let's wait for a dev to come over and shed some light ..
Grr... It's a bad day to own both the Desire and the HD2.
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Grr... It's a bad day to own both the Desire and the HD2.
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True.. But I for one never could have dreamed my HD2 to be top-notch more than a year later.. It certainly was one of my best buys ever. Imagine life when we'd still be stuck on that creepy WM6.5
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True.. But I for one never could have dreamed my HD2 to be top-notch more than a year later.. It certainly was one of my best buys ever. Imagine life when we'd still be stuck on that creepy WM6.5
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Haha, that's true, I guess... I never even got to touch WM6.5 on my HD2, I bought it from Ebay with WP7. Tried it and didn't like it that much. So now I'm wondering which phone should be my primary, HD2 or Desire..
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With Sense builds it is the end of the road I guess.. At least for any Android releases after Gingerbread. With the other builds I am not sure.. We have quite some driver source available, and with that we can probably simply compile them on the newer AOSP and non-sense ROMS. Sense is really a problem when it comes to source, because it is proprietary software written by HTC (no full source for Sense to simply cross-compile their libs). This is also why it is so hard to make decent Sense-builds whenever a new major Android release comes out. I could be wrong here though.
Let's wait for a dev to come over and shed some light ..
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I'm confused - why would the HD2 be on it's last legs?
People are still developing ROMs for my G1 - hell, there's even a honeycomb rom for my G1. Until people quit developing for the HD2, I guarantee it will be on par with other devices.
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I'm confused - why would the HD2 be on it's last legs?
People are still developing ROMs for my G1 - hell, there's even a honeycomb rom for my G1. Until people quit developing for the HD2, I guarantee it will be on par with other devices.
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It's just the Sense development that will be near to impossible to be perfect.. The rest will be continued as long as there are developers interested in our HD2.
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I'm confused - why would the HD2 be on it's last legs?
People are still developing ROMs for my G1 - hell, there's even a honeycomb rom for my G1. Until people quit developing for the HD2, I guarantee it will be on par with other devices.
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The hd2 development won't die, merely the Sense ROM development unless HTC make an ice cream sandwich update for the Desire (which is unlikely but possible as Google have stated ics has been designed to work on all Android devices to date). AOSP ROMs will probably continue as long as the device stays popular.
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I just went on this sure cause I got an email from htc saying the site launched. Now I know we need the kernel source, but I just noticed this in the kernel source page:
Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) Upgrade for HTC Desire
Or is that not enough?
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