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Has progress been made on G2 Root?

I've noticed that the thinktank topics aren't getting as many posts. Have the coders here given up or lost interest in the G2 root? Is it too hard?
I'm surprised no one has found a break through yet, especially the CM team. I want to hear what the coders have to say. Do you guys think it'll get rooted? How much work will it take?
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Idk..but I know one thing...
This topic is gonna get MOVED! lol

you can follow some of the progress in the wiki
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Arcadia310 said:
I've noticed that the thinktank topics aren't getting as many posts. Have the coders here given up or lost interest in the G2 root? Is it too hard?
I'm surprised no one has found a break through yet, especially the CM team. I want to hear what the coders have to say. Do you guys think it'll get rooted? How much work will it take?
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WOW I'm still amazed that people who do not know how to read basic fourm notices/rules know about this site. I'm even more amazed they root and don't brick their phones. Spoiled little prince aren't we?

Arcadia310 said:
Have the coders here given up or lost interest in the G2 root? Is it too hard?
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lol no. hackers don't give up. its a matter of when, not if.

j.books said:
lol no. hackers don't give up. its a matter of when, not if.
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hopefully with no sodering....

I agree, it isn't a matter if but when and it may be soon. The guys have been hard at work. Besides the phone hasn't been out that long

They are not posting because they are working hard on making easier for lazy people like you.

Seriously, there is a wiki, chat logs, and IRC... the least you could do is look.

soundslikeabitch said:
WOW I'm still amazed that people who do not know how to read basic fourm notices/rules know about this site. I'm even more amazed they root and don't brick their phones. Spoiled little prince aren't we?
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WOW calm down. I'm amazed people like you take the time to post this drivel.
OP asked an appropriate question. Although discussion has moved elsewhere, it is still reasonable to ask if anything new has happened, as those rooting threads used to be rife with information and discussion then they completely degraded into headbutting about GPL and whether HTC was in violation or not.
This is a forum to discuss G2 Development, after all, and OP was a G2 Development related question. Even if you disagree, do you really need to take the time to troll, insult, and act all tough-guy in a forum? Try to keep the peace. Move on if you disagree with the post or topic.

Yeah, well if you haven't been checking out the wiki on a day to day basis, it sure does look like the G2 Root process is at a halt. Even if you follow #g2root, its still pretty dead.
But people have been making small updates the the Wiki about whats going on, but I think the masses are no longer participating in the root, only the guys that know the most about it.
I understand why you didn't see any progress though, but for some reason, people around here have to be a **** when people ask questions that aren't obvious to people that haven't read the entire forum inside and out over the years.

grivad said:
WOW calm down. I'm amazed people like you take the time to post this drivel.
OP asked an appropriate question. Although discussion has moved elsewhere, it is still reasonable to ask if anything new has happened, as those rooting threads used to be rife with information and discussion then they completely degraded into headbutting about GPL and whether HTC was in violation or not.
This is a forum to discuss G2 Development, after all, and OP was a G2 Development related question. Even if you disagree, do you really need to take the time to troll, insult, and act all tough-guy in a forum? Try to keep the peace. Move on if you disagree with the post or topic.
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I was bored at work. These people work hard for us for nothing but our respect. If you respect them you would keep with their very few requests.

soundslikemitch said:
I was bored at work. These people work hard for us for nothing but our respect. If you respect them you would keep with their very few requests.
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Dude, its a discussion forum. If you only have time to look at the forum every few days, it DOES appear that nothing has happened. And I'm sure there was about 100 other people that were asking the same questions. The whole point of these threads is to communicate with each other.
The open source community isn't just for hackers and programmers. Regular people like to root there phones too.

I have to admit this place is full of douchebags.
People have the right to ask questions. It is a forum. We’re here to share information, opinions and help each others.
What gives u the right to judge or attack others? If you don’t want to help, simply don’t reply. It is that simple.
Back to the topic, I believe small progresses are being made. It is just matter of time.

Why is it that when ever some one asks about root on the G2 every one gets pissed off? I mean we are allowed to ask questions right? Lets not make this thread a dildo as well lmao
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That's some bs. Dude asks a question and people want to flame him. If he's asking its cuz he don't know obviously. So quit being douche bags.
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Here is some common sense, if you follow along you would notice that VISIONary is filling the gap for some basic root needs, (wifi tether, disabling packages, ect.) once those basic needs were met the masses no longer gave a **** about the root. Hence the slow down in postings. There are people still working on a perm root, myself being one of them. There are just lots of dead ends and trial and error.

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Here is some common sense, if you follow along you would notice that VISIONary is filling the gap for some basic root needs, (wifi tether, disabling packages, ect.) once those basic needs were met the masses no longer gave a **** about the root. Hence the slow down in postings. There are people still working on a perm root, myself being one of them. There are just lots of dead ends and trial and error.
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Point proven

I'm just going to stop posting here entirely. I ask a simple question because I obviously don't live on this forum and don't have time to read every single post made. There are some cool users here but a lot of you are dicks for no reason. I don't browse this forum as heavily and thoroughly as you guys do, give me a damn break. I get flamed and called lazy because these coders are hard at work. Really? I'm a full time student and athlete but now I'm lazy for not sitting in front of my computer all day writing code? Get over yourselves.
Can a mod please lock this topic.
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I know its not the same but...
When a new version of ubuntu is pushed out for beta testing, ubuntuforums hosts a development forum where everyone is invited to ask questions and participate. I'm not a developer but have used Linux for over 10 years at a few levels. I suggest that we approach rooting the G2 with the same enthusiasm and verve that the ubuntu community does with a new beta, RC, and release. If we start clamping down on asking questions no one will answer them either. I don't really think that's the purpose of this forum at all. We're all after the same thing. its either information or access to information. Humbly suggest we all seek ways to disclose and discuss and not "ivory tower" the information.
Thanks.

[Q] Debranding

Hi peeps. Im starting to get really ticked off by the branding string in the build properties.
What do i have to do in build.prop to stop the android market seeing my xoom as a verizon device and see it instead as a viewsonic gtab or whatever?

Why is everyone posting questions in the dev section?

Because they can't read
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let me explain why...
its because i am a dev myself, and i have been here long enough to know that at this stage in a subforum's development no-one from the dev community ever looks in the general subsection
welcome to reality
also, you should understand this perfectly well having joined in 2009... or are you just a snob with a post count?

One might ask what he is implying you cannot read.

Nothing we say will help. Makes me sad they don't know how to follow the rules and have common sense. All you get by posting a question in a dev forum instead of general or q/a is people telling you to post in the right thread. Just do it and they will help.
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Maybe you'll get a better answer if you try posting in the right section for considering yourself a dev you're good at being stupid

Create a "XOOM Hacking Help and Advanced Discussion" Subforum.
Problem solved.

PaulG1488 said:
Maybe you'll get a better answer if you try posting in the right section for considering yourself a dev you're good at being stupid
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It's hilarious how so many people on forums get their geek tighty-whities in such a bunch when (god forbid!) people don't follow perfect forum etiquette, even when they have a legitimately good reason for doing so. Get over yourselves.

joeski27 said:
It's hilarious how so many people on forums get their geek tighty-whities in such a bunch when (god forbid!) people don't follow perfect forum etiquette, even when they have a legitimately good reason for doing so. Get over yourselves.
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He had no good reason he considered himself a dev and yet doesn't have common sense to post his question in the right section

a Dev? Are you kidding? His app is still stuck on beta test stage and they couldn't make it done....

Perhaps if any of you tight-ass teenagers had read my reasons for posting in this subsection (its the third post, refer to it if you please), you would think again.
And my app is not stuck in beta, the draft is on the market and all the beta testers have already received their free rc. They are all happy with it.
If you really knew this forum, you would not be saying those silly, childish things. And if you dont know how to help, speak less lest you hinder instead.

ftgg99 said:
Perhaps if any of you tight-ass teenagers had read my reasons for posting in this subsection (its the third post, refer to it if you please), you would think again.
And my app is not stuck in beta, the draft is on the market and all the beta testers have already received their free rc. They are all happy with it.
If you really knew this forum, you would not be saying those silly, childish things. And if you dont know how to help, speak less lest you hinder instead.
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https://market.android.com/details?id=ch.racic.android.marketenabler
I think if you posted in the right section this would have been answered regardless.... if you really knew this forum you would know that you were gonna get flamed.
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Yeah... thats not what im looking for as its a cdma verizon only device at this point.
Also chongo, i know this forum, and i know flamers too. Theyre kids with nothing better to do. Again, refer to the third post in this thread for a grown-ups explanation.

ftgg99 said:
Yeah... thats not what im looking for as its a cdma verizon only device at this point.
Also chongo, i know this forum, and i know flamers too. Theyre kids with nothing better to do. Again, refer to the third post in this thread for a grown-ups explanation.
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I did read it and I don't need a "grown ups" explanation... do you need an explanation of forum rules? No I didn't think so... like I said posting this in the right section would have gotten you better results. Disagree? Then enjoy your "answers"
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You are contributing to these answers. I suppose you like being a flamer. The anonymity of the internet provides you with a safe place from which to mindlessly attack others in the vain hope that it will expose your superior intellect and regard for the rules.
If you were a grown up guy, you would be doing something useful. Perhaps graduating from 'young android enthusiast' to 'productive member of society'...

ftgg99 said:
You are contributing to these answers. I suppose you like being a flamer. The anonymity of the internet provides you with a safe place from which to mindlessly attack others in the vain hope that it will expose your superior intellect and regard for the rules.
If you were a grown up guy, you would be doing something useful. Perhaps graduating from 'young android enthusiast' to 'productive member of society'...
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I actually was contributing by trying to tell you where to post to get the best results.... not some mindless attack. "The anonymity of the internet provides you with a safe place from which to mindlessly attack others in the vain hope that it will expose your superior intellect and regard for the rules." Anonymity? Actually my name is Morgan Brant and I live at 2215 ontario street. Do I really need a safe place to talk... no not really... oh and a productive member of society? I'm actually a full time student and a full time photographer... don't believe me? Maybe you can do more then check my "Bio" when trying to school me with your pathetic elitest attitude.
www.chongophoto.com edit: not promoting myself what so ever... unless your in vancouver
I'd say back to topic... but really come on... lets just let the mods shut this down or better yet move it to Q/A
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God bless Akmerica. (Am I allowed to post in here since I only half develope using app inventor? I did make my own speed dial app where u press a pic to call someone... thats got to count)
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Wow. Do much hatred. Yes, technically questions don't belong here. But, if he had worded the post differently, nobody would mind. "[PROJ] debranding the XOOM let's figure out how to change the build.prop..."
Now, since we're already here and on the subject... anyone had any success with this?

Apparently being a "DEV" means you no longer have to fallow forum rules and you can pretty much do what ever you want. Sounds cool..
Also since your a developer shouldn't you already know how to change the build.prop?

News about current circumstances

As some of you may have noticed a few threads have dissappeared in the DEV section
This is because of two reasons, the first being the Developer wanting to leave xda, the second being the sheer level of bad language to be found in them.
I also want to remind everyone that opening a topic to ask a developers to come back is not helpful or wanted, and they are currently being deleted. And those certain members who feel hat they have been wronged and start rom bashing. will be dealt with severely
Please Feel free to PM me or any other mod with a concern
best regards
PiLoT

Can u post some harsh rules in the forum?? Like banning abusers etc??.
VIPER

viper619 said:
Can u post some harsh rules in the forum?? Like banning abusers etc??.
VIPER
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no x10 section is under the enter forums rules, however if a person spams or trolls then they get seen to fast

In other words the rules you agreed to when you registered.

an idea, or suggestion, but...
i [read no one of importance] think this would be an opportune time to clean things up in the different forums, maybe enforce a general guideline for devs in thread naming and structure, maybe eliminate some of the stickies that are no longer needed [ie 2.1 after effects and 2.1 rom coming soon, petition for froyo, etc] so more important stickies don't get lost in sticky land [ie forum rules/guidelines].
i think with some structure and uniform, people wouldn't be so quick with the "create another thread about gingerbread coming" mentality.
just a suggestion and in no way telling anyone how to moderate their forum.

This dev who shall not be named has many people who adrore or hate him . The people who liked him are now taking everychance to criticize other devs
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svtfmook said:
an idea, or suggestion, but...
i [read no one of importance] think this would be an opportune time to clean things up in the different forums, maybe enforce a general guideline for devs in thread naming and structure, maybe eliminate some of the stickies that are no longer needed [ie 2.1 after effects and 2.1 rom coming soon, petition for froyo, etc] so more important stickies don't get lost in sticky land [ie forum rules/guidelines].
i think with some structure and uniform, people wouldn't be so quick with the "create another thread about gingerbread coming" mentality.
just a suggestion and in no way telling anyone how to moderate their forum.
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ill be getting round to this later today

Apparently this has arise again today, it was matter of time. We need a community of sharing and friendly environment without threads turning in flame wars and offensive. Actions will be trigger to those who fuel this no matter what their status are (devs or members).
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Mr. Clown said:
Apparently this has arise again today, it was matter of time. We need a community of sharing and friendly environment without threads turning in flame wars and offensive. Actions will be trigger to those who fuel this no matter what their status are (devs or members).
Thanks,
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Just one question could you please kindly explain why you mods just delete Trip's threads while you clean up other threads If the same thing happens? I think if you ban the flamers does the job not to delete the whole thing. Thanks
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Wow. I thought it was over. What the hell happened??????????
It's not even been a month since it happened the last time. This is saddening.

Mortyx10 said:
Just one question could you please kindly explain why you mods just delete Trip's threads while you clean up other threads If the same thing happens? I think if you ban the flamers does the job not to delete the whole thing. Thanks
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It doesn't help that the dev I shall not name is a flamer himself.
Just saying.

kantk20111 said:
It doesn't help that the dev I shall not name is a flamer himself.
Just saying.
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Yep! I agree. I stopped posting in his threads, but I do read. And i gotta say, he says alot of ignorant crap directed at other devs. Its a bit taunting really. I would flame the hell out of him, but im not in the mood to get banned..
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you mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4m4wbYc08k
Edit: Actually, I don't want to get banned either Please delete if you think its in bad taste

pngface said:
you mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4m4wbYc08k
Edit: Actually, I don't want to get banned either Please delete if you think its in bad taste
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Hahahaha yes! Like that.
Way to bring in the humor
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Free open source is being misused. These devs are contributing for free. Free source doesn't mean we can expect slavery or even cooperation.
What? Are you going to say that since a person isn't updating or contributing fast enough, or even having disagreements with others, that they don't deserve the opportunity to participate in an open and free forum?
Edit: Not to mention, that most of the people *****ing are senior members who contribute nothing more than assistance to noobs who break more xda rules than any developer, and the fact that Trip provides some of the best ROMs for the X10 should elevate him to untouchable status.
Anyone who talks **** about Trip better be a majorly contributing developer, otherwise just shut up.

agentJBM said:
Free open source is being misused. These devs are contributing for free. Free source doesn't mean we can expect slavery or even cooperation.
What? Are you going to say that since a person isn't updating or contributing fast enough, or even having disagreements with others, that they don't deserve the opportunity to participate in an open and free forum?
We have senior members who contribute nothing more than assistance to noobs who break more xda rules than any dev.
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I agree with you. They offer a ROM that is free for everyone to use. Where does it say that they are obliged to update it? Whether they do or don't is completely up to them. As for the flaming and taunting, I do not agree with that and everyone, whether its a dev, mod or member should exercise courtesy and respect towards others. It seems that this forum has turned into a soap opera lately which is really disappointing.

-PiLoT- said:
As some of you may have noticed a few threads have dissappeared in the DEV section
This is because of two reasons, the first being the Developer not willing to work on updates, the second being the sheer level of bad language to be found in them.
I also want to remind everyone that opening a topic to ask a developers to come back is not helpful or wanted, and they are currently being deleted. And those certain members who feel hat they have been wronged and start rom bashing. will be dealt with severely
Please Feel free to PM me or any other mod with a concern
best regards
PiLoT
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Just a small thinking.Well,I don't want to be banned
Just ignore me if this is offensive
You firstly mentioned that that dev doesn't have the intension to continue his work.But I am wondering if he had given such comments here on his/other posts.Would you mind to provide some evidence?I am pretty sure that you deleted the posts after you have read some of his comments.
For the sheer level of bad language,I always read post.
In a war,yes,it is no doubt that some devs here are/were arguing because someone want to protect his own work,personally I think it would be better to define the level of bad language.Calling people a copycat,saying someone is a glitch violate the rules?Language is not maths,meanings of word varies from person to person.
Also,it is understanding that someone speaks bit rudely when he is in anger.
Furthermore,what if that dev really can show some evidence that someone might forget to give him credit?
Thanks for reading
regards,
L

Really disappointed about what has happened here. I woke up to see the x10 forums in pieces.
I'm sure the aim of this forum is to forge cohesiveness between users who are willing to learn and share with developers who are willing to selflessly Take time out of their busy schedule to cook up roms for our users
I know that whatever I'm gonna say here ain't gonna change the mod ' s mind but I hope the mods can really come clean about what really happened here instead of using vague terms like "attitude problem" or "unwilling to work on updates" when he releases updates almost once a day. Just like a democratic government, and citizens of a democracy, transparency and accountability to the people should top priority
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Sad to see him leave, only for the developments he provided to X10, the conflict wont be missed but what I seem to be missing is about 30 or 40 post to my post count. This has happened before to me when he closed/deleted a thread of his. It is not really important in the grand scheme of things but my posts were not offensive, mostly helpful and relevant questions to Trip or others. Is it fair that I (others also) loose or have a reduction to their post count throught the deletion of the thread? I dont post a lot so will take a little time to build it back up lol. Cheers

Mortyx10 said:
Just one question could you please kindly explain why you mods just delete Trip's threads while you clean up other threads If the same thing happens? I think if you ban the flamers does the job not to delete the whole thing. Thanks
Agree with above....
Also how can mods say "one reason was because he didnt work on updates"... WTF.... He does this for FREE and where in rules does it say "if u release a rom then u must provide frequent updates"
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Sick of several things on XDA

Well I know XDA its ment for developers.. And they are kind enough to share their hard work with us.. Bringing new life to our devices and more..
Developers always gets piss off about stupid question and or issues reports without providing a logcat... While I'm agree with this.. I'm not agree with XDA letting average noob post in development section.. Looking at the nature of the forum I can not believe there's isn't a way to block a person from posting in development if that person at least doesn't have (3 months and 350 post) in the forums... That's Imho a reasonable period of learning how to be helpful and provide useful information in development area...
I look at the case of Francisco Franco.. I really enjoy his works and support him a lot.. I had his kernels when I had a Gnex and that + cm9 was the best experience of Android for me.. Then I've sold the gnex and bought the note and one of the reasons I came without thinking was franco kernels does support note.. For my surprise he stopped supporting because of the ****ing trolls about a bluetooth issue in the kernel and so we all rest has to pay for it not haven updates anymore...
Recently he came back and one of the very first welcome post was a random noob asking for the bluetooth again. ... And Ffs I don't want to lose Francisco support again... And he was very clear about it..
I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
Any user with those conditions not only be experienced enough to provide a logcat but will be scared of messing in development because he could get banned and lose his hard work in the account.....
That said I think there is no excuses to do so.. Look also to Entropy... I think the guy gotta buy a new keyboard every day raging at Noobs posting bs in cm9/10 developed threads..
XDA go ahead and take actions before we lose our developers
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Wisdom strong in this post is. Franco is a really good developer and I'm sad he left Note. He used to develop for my old Huawei before he left for GNex and his kernel rocked. :thumbup:
But... One shouldn't take the regular forum trolls too seriously. Just leave them crying in their own **** and move own. There is also the report function here.
I agree with you though that there is way too much idiots in the development forums. Just look at the new JB PA 1.1 thread: couple of first pages just full of posts "how do I install this?" "does this brick my phone!?" etc. So annoying to find the actual bug reports or feedbacks through all the ****. This is because people are way too lazy to actually study anything these days. Everything has to brought to them ready and chewed.
Edit: and there is also this one hero that already bricked his note with JB PA because he didn't care to study stuff before flashing. :banghead:
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Just report their posts. The mods are also sick of it and are handing out infractions, IIRC. I have yet to see a noob post again after reporting him, so it works very well.
It seems the original dev section doesn't have the 10 post requirement like the normal dev section. And most spam is from people with one or a few posts. It would definitely help to have that 10 post rule there.

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Just report their posts. The mods are also sick of it and are handing out infractions, IIRC. I have yet to see a noob post again after reporting him, so it works very well.
It seems the original dev section doesn't have the 10 post requirement like the normal dev section. And most spam is from people with one or a few posts. It would definitely help to have that 10 post rule there.
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We can report.. But that won't stop the developer getting pissed and stopping development..
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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...

Randomwalker said:
I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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Tbh there should be a read count for how many threads someone has read. :beer: That would just be a little hard to measure.
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I certainly agree on you with this one. But like in every other forum and the whole internet, you can't really prevent noobs and trolls. Trolls gotta troll man. Kinda hard to filter them out as it will require the mods to check every single day on every single thread with thousands of post on it and obviously that will take full time. Most of us specially moderators do this for a hobby.
Let's just do our part to make the community a better place. That is reporting trolls. Like the other guy said on the 2nd post, let's just click on that little report button and the mods will take care of the rest or you can just ignore the regular forum troll and move on like most of us do. An old internet saying "Don't feed the trolls" ignore them and the average forum troll will just hunt for the next trollable thread and will eventually get tired, while the persistent ones, well let's just keep on clicking the report button and wait for the banhammer to land
The post requirement or the tenureship in the forum is a fantastic idea though. Maybe even the thanks meter/level, like you could post even if you're not 3 months old or don't have 350 posts but if you do have a certain thanks level/meter you could post and access the restricted area of the forums. No one would press the thanks button if you didn't post something useful right?

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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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put categories as "devs" and restrict allowed posts to those people only. then cross referrence the thread to a discussion page for noobs and others to bash each other.
those who wish to post in the dev section should provide a fully working firmware for downloads and testing purposes for the ones designated as "testers" on xda.
i know its a lot of work, but its a solution if the admin will put the political will to it.
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msedek said:
Well I know XDA its ment for developers.. And they are kind enough to share their hard work with us.. Bringing new life to our devices and more..
Developers always gets piss off about stupid question and or issues reports without providing a logcat... While I'm agree with this.. I'm not agree with XDA letting average noob post in development section.. Looking at the nature of the forum I can not believe there's isn't a way to block a person from posting in development if that person at least doesn't have (3 months and 350 post) in the forums... That's Imho a reasonable period of learning how to be helpful and provide useful information in development area...
I look at the case of Francisco Franco.. I really enjoy his works and support him a lot.. I had his kernels when I had a Gnex and that + cm9 was the best experience of Android for me.. Then I've sold the gnex and bought the note and one of the reasons I came without thinking was franco kernels does support note.. For my surprise he stopped supporting because of the ****ing trolls about a bluetooth issue in the kernel and so we all rest has to pay for it not haven updates anymore...
Recently he came back and one of the very first welcome post was a random noob asking for the bluetooth again. ... And Ffs I don't want to lose Francisco support again... And he was very clear about it..
I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
Any user with those conditions not only be experienced enough to provide a logcat but will be scared of messing in development because he could get banned and lose his hard work in the account.....
That said I think there is no excuses to do so.. Look also to Entropy... I think the guy gotta buy a new keyboard every day raging at Noobs posting bs in cm9/10 developed threads..
XDA go ahead and take actions before we lose our developers
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Although you have a point here i really don't like the idea. Ok we need to restrict the troll posts but..... once you were a noob too !!!! What we see now is that this site has grown to numbers never seen before. In the early days there were only a handfull users, a few devices and not much to do. Nowadays if you have a problem EVERYBODY refers to this forum from other places. So basicly we have a flood of new, unexperienced, people that just have one big problem: THEY DON'T READ!!!! I've been a member for a long time now, learned a lot just by reading and only post when i think it's usefull to the comunity. Even after all this time i still sometimes ask questions like a noob, should i be blocked???
There is one solution for this problem: NOT allowing to post untill they have at least read a few posts MARKED as an obligation. But i don't think it's possible.
What we see here is the growing of a forum with soo many devices and people, i think about a year or two this will stabelize :laugh::laugh::laugh:
becosemsaida

Sometimes the trolls you are referring to are actually innocent noobs who are afraid of bricking their new Notes. They just want to double check some crucial things before attempting risky procedures.
Were we not all noobs at one point in our lives?
I know both trolls and noobs can be really frustrating but many of the members here can be quite impatient, responding rudely and degrading the once-friendly community.
I do agree with you though and I definitely think changes need to be made to ensure the development thread remains strictly development related. But I also think changes should be made to some members attitude too.

praetorius said:
put categories as "devs" and restrict allowed posts to those people only. then cross referrence the thread to a discussion page for noobs and others to bash each other.
those who wish to post in the dev section should provide a fully working firmware for downloads and testing purposes for the ones designated as "testers" on xda.
i know its a lot of work, but its a solution if the admin will put the political will to it.
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I abandoned a forum in my country due to "laws /rules" like that. Things were just getting out of proportion that it is impossible to help people there. Unfortunatly the mods over there think that they are god and if you make a reference about this forum or about rooting you will get banned !!!! I don't think that it's the future of this forum..
Restrict some topics to people that have more then xx months or xx posts will help. But i don't think it's possible to do. And what a bout people like me, i only read here, learn and do not post often. I don't have time to make a rom or custom firmware and come here for leasure ??? Am i elegible for seeing everything...... As you see it is very hard to make the choise about who can have full accesws and who doesn't.
becosemsaida

Write on development section thread should have some restriction.
And thank meter is one good criteria (just being member since long/posting just certain number of post dont make skilled)
if member have at least 10-20 thank meter he/she must have some skill and may not post noob Q.
There is always Q/A section is open for newbies.

this needs to be said.....
i have to call you out on this. The OP has been posting bizarre and rambling questions in DEV threads, getting all pissed off when ppl ask him not too, and has even admitted to not wanting to bother reading the thread because he is not that stupid.
It is people LIKE YOU that are bringing this place down.
If you cant be bothered searching or reading, you DO NOT BELONG on a development website. end of story.
If you want to make your phone look pretty to impress your mates, go some place else. XDA is all about the journey - the end result is not so important. its about trying things yourself and sharing knowledge. If you are just lucky enough, you might even be able to help someone out!
do not come here to whinge and flame others when you break the rules (do NOT post in a dev thread if it is not directly related to the development of that thread).
Also, you have to wonder how a user of 4 months has over 1000 posts, and some members have been here for years with only 500 posts.....
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little-vince said:
Sometimes the trolls you are referring to are actually innocent noobs who are afraid of bricking their new Notes. They just want to double check some crucial things before attempting risky procedures.
Were we not all noobs at one point in our lives?
I know both trolls and noobs can be really frustrating but many of the members here can be quite impatient, responding rudely and degrading the once-friendly community.
I do agree with you though and I definitely think changes need to be made to ensure the development thread remains strictly development related. But I also think changes should be made to some members attitude too.
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So? When I was uncertain about something I posted it in either the general or Q/A section. Why the hell should anyone be posting questions in the dev section?
And no, despite contrary belief, some people are newbies, some people are noobs. Not everyone used to be a noob. There is a massive void between the two. A newbie is one that is self-learning and is capable of exercising some semblance of common sense with regards to forum rules and forum etiquette when he joins a new forum.
So please, if you want to consider yourself a noob at one point, go right ahead. But do not make sweeping statements that everyone was a noob.

trolls and noobs should rot in hell
as for noobs,reading and jesus saves....
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So? When I was uncertain about something I posted it in either the general or Q/A section. Why the hell should anyone be posting questions in the dev section?
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And I completely agree with you. So why are you being all pissy about it?
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And no, despite contrary belief, some people are newbies, some people are noobs. Not everyone used to be a noob. There is a massive void between the two. A newbie is one that is self-learning and is capable of exercising some semblance of common sense with regards to forum rules and forum etiquette when he joins a new forum.
So please, if you want to consider yourself a noob at one point, go right ahead. But do not make sweeping statements that everyone was a noob.
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Well clearly my definition of a noob/n00b/newb/newbie is different to yours. So I apologise if my "sweeping statement" offended you (and/or anyone else).
Are we not fighting for the same thing here?
Gee fricken wizz.

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I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
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I think XDA should do nothing here.
There are no real reasons to rage at some users posts.
There's nothing SO bad about it.
You can always press 'report' button if some super-mega-trolls come to your thread (I haven't seen any yet)
As for me, XDA community is currently not so friendly as it should be.
Devs raging at most of the posts, advanced users trolling noobs...
That's really not so nice.
Blocking users with small post count or small thanks count, etc is unacceptable in my opinion. Really.
Maybe XDA is meant for developers, but developers can't exist without users they are developing for.

Here is Example, why we should need some control
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29501802&postcount=91
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upgrades to lrk from lrg yesterday. No issues with deep sleep in both 404 version. Battery lasts more than a day. I am a very heavy user. I am satisfied with the performance, battery consumption.
I always factory reset after flashing a rom. You can do that but at your own risk. I am aware of the brick bug but i have don't at least till 40 times on stock kernel and no issues so far.
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I have factory reset over 40 times on stock ICS kernel and no issue so far.
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That's not a noob issue.............This is just a person that is STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!
I already called his atention but that is going to be a full days work with all these............ (glup)

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That's not a noob issue.............This is just a person that is STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!
I already called his atention but that is going to be a full days work with all these............ (glup)
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This I agree, sometimes it's not that they're noob, it's that they're kiasu, as we Singaporeans call it. They spam devs with stupid questions, since it's free to ask anyway, and expect people to be free 24/7 to reply.
Also, many devs hate XDA. Because much dev work is not being appreciated here. In the Acer Iconia A500 section, both devs "Thor2002pro" and "dexter_nlb" have made amazing contributions to the community, but many *******s don't appreciate what they have done. They have left subsequently.
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Why are general topic threads being closed?

I for one like the idea of a general topic thread, but I don't understand why someone that trolls is not banned or their comments removed instead of closing the thread.
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I agree completely. I'm not trolling with that statement either.
Honestly, now that we have 2 mods another thread COULD be opened. The probability of conflict due to misunderstandings, differences of opinion and, perhaps for some, dislike of a fellow member or members is still pretty high.
XDA stands for something special. It's a community of people trying to advance its knowledge through helping and sharing. Sometimes egos, not excluding mine, get inflated and the perceived need to stand up for what one feels is right becomes too much to let lie.
Sometimes people just throw out bait to see who bites. These instigators are known as "trolls."
The latter is frowned upon, but not necessarily wrong, as long as things aren't pushed too far. The former, well, good luck with that one. Remember that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Doing something wrong just to do it is not ok. Doing something wrong because you feel you are fighting for something important is another story. There is the letter of the law, and the spirit in which the law is written.
Again, I'm honestly NOT trolling.

The few should not be allowed to ruin it for the many.
It would be a great day for our XDA community if our senior moderators would embrace this philosophy and push for this change.
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I, for one am guilty of standing up for myself on here. Take it or leave it. I don't let stuff ride. I'm not here to get respect or gain popularity. I do all that I do for fun and to give back. I'm known as a cocky s.o.b but I'm also known to help a fellow member out as much as my knowledge allows. I've spent numerous hours on talk, pm's and email helping people out that just quite can't get it. The thing that just makes me mad is when you see plain stupidity in your face. For example, I've seen at least a dozen people ask "Where is the low mic fix?" when if the person would search or read back 5 pages you'd find the answer. Back when this Glacier thread started you wouldn't even think of asking a question in the dev section without searching at least 10 times and if you asked such a dumb question you would get reprimanded and issued a infraction and your comment deleted. If I would get on someone now, they'd call me names and blah, blah, blah and the poop tossing would begin. The other day I was speaking out against what I thought was unfair in the general section and I don't take back any of it but to have me censored while idiots actually crowd the dev section with questions really made me mad. I have a change of heart now because the moderators are now getting back to the days of old and doing something about the useless posts. +1 to them. Since we had lack of moderating for 6 or so months, the "noobs" that are now senior members think its ok to do what they do and that's when I'm on your ****. Love me, hate me, I honestly don't gaf....end of rant.
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I completely agree with you, I think part of it is people want the cool new stuff without actually reading and learning a thing or two; while it's understandable that you may not have time to look things up, we say these things for the benefit of users themselves. Trust me, the benefits of looking up things on your own and asking after you feel you've searched your ass off are far more greater than just being told everything. Going from releasing a port, to building from source, to being asked by awesome to join team inferno and learning some github all within my first few months of developing on my first and only android phone; I'd say I'm pretty good proof of how effective doing a bit of research is (seeing as I had no prior knowledge on how to do ANYTHING but flash a rom). It's not like you're being asked to read a 700 page documentation on the android system... and although better moderation required us to lose our BS thread and possibly some infractions to some long-time users, it's good that we're starting to get that old sense of moderation back...
tldr; XDA isn't here to hold your hand (so don't assume it is), but if you put some time into reading and learning the benefits are basically limitless.

sckboy78 said:
I, for one am guilty of standing up for myself on here. Take it or leave it. I don't let stuff ride. I'm not here to get respect or gain popularity. I do all that I do for fun and to give back. I'm known as a cocky s.o.b but I'm also known to help a fellow member out as much as my knowledge allows. I've spent numerous hours on talk, pm's and email helping people out that just quite can't get it. The thing that just makes me mad is when you see plain stupidity in your face. For example, I've seen at least a dozen people ask "Where is the low mic fix?" when if the person would search or read back 5 pages you'd find the answer. Back when this Glacier thread started you wouldn't even think of asking a question in the dev section without searching at least 10 times and if you asked such a dumb question you would get reprimanded and issued a infraction and your comment deleted. If I would get on someone now, they'd call me names and blah, blah, blah and the poop tossing would begin. The other day I was speaking out against what I thought was unfair in the general section and I don't take back any of it but to have me censored while idiots actually crowd the dev section with questions really made me mad. I have a change of heart now because the moderators are now getting back to the days of old and doing something about the useless posts. +1 to them. Since we had lack of moderating for 6 or so months, the "noobs" that are now senior members think its ok to do what they do and that's when I'm on your ****. Love me, hate me, I honestly don't gaf....end of rant.
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i agree. the stupidity around here is just amazing. take the most recent one i've seen for example. i'm not going to name any names, but you know who you are.
this guy comes around and posts a question in the General Section. that's already a mistake. who doesn't know that Questions go in the Q & A Section? and then, since he didn't get any answers, he ventures on over to the Development Section, literally picks a random thread, and posts his question there. his question has NOTHING to do with what the topic is about. completely unacceptable. and then, when another forum member tells him that he shouldn't do that, what does he do? he goes on calling names. hey man, it's not our fault you have no respect for others. all this person could've done was just SEARCH. Google it, Bing it, Yahoo it, i don't care, you could've at least SEARCHED before you asked. yeah okay, maybe if you had only a few post counts, then i would forgive you, but no, this is a Senior Member, with over 200 posts! things like this shouldn't even happen from such an "experienced xda user". and i'm seeing things like this more and more everyday, not just in in Glacier forums, but pretty much everywhere else. noobs come along with only a few posts, and they see that they need 10+ posts to post in the Development Sections. so what do they do? they spam all the other sections and threads until they get more than 10 posts, then they begin spamming the Development Sections with their stupid questions that could've been answered by a search. and that's not all. since they can't spam the Development Sections with under 10 posts, they spam the DEVELOPER'S PMS. i have over 1000 PMs in my inbox, i'd say over 3/4 of them are useless garbage asked by idiots who are too lazy to search.
now about the off topic threads:
i really like the idea, it's a great way for forum members to hang out and have friendly chats for one another, but one thing i had noticed going on in the old BS Thread was that noobs with less than 10 posts would come here and post until they get 10 posts. i actually even read some other posts that encouraged this action. so while the off topic threads are great, they also have downsides to them as well.
IMO, we should just make it that you can only post in the Q & A Section until you have a certain amount of posts, cause honestly, most of the first few posts are just plain stupid questions that can be answered, by a simple search.
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Benignoid said:
I thought this was a community? What kind of community can't even communicate for fun with each other and just talk? Dang the government! (the mods) *end rant*
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I'm going to act like I didn't read that.
As for the off topic thread. I'll allow one of but once it gets hectic like the last one. *You know who I'm talking to* starting problems calling people etc, it's gone an infractions are handed out.
Yall decide in this thread, who will open it.

The Archangel said:
I'm going to act like I didn't read that.
As for the off topic thread. I'll allow one of but once it gets hectic like the last one. *You know who I'm talking to* starting problems calling people etc, it's gone an infractions are handed out.
Yall decide in this thread, who will open it.
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Dibs?
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Dibs?
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There are no dibs. THIS IS WAR!!!

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Do it.

Does the Q&A need a b.s. thread?
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md1008 said:
Does the Q&A need a b.s. thread?
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No I think we're lucky to get one
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