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Backing up and restoring on very similar ROMs seems to include three parts: 1. System data, 2. Applications, and 3. App data.
Let's bring up an example going from stock 2.1 ROM to one of Eugene's Vibrant* or Hybrid ROMs or even one of the Bionix(?) ROMs. What is the consensus of moving stuff over to the new ROM? Restore all three parts; only Applications and App data; or only Applications?
I'm sort of confused as to what to bring over to the new ROM. Thanks.
I think this is what I do in the same order as given below
- Install ROM manager and take a nandroid backup (for system) of the stock ROM
- Install Titanium backup(TB) and take backup of user data, user apps and some system data (like wifi settings)
- Take a backup of the internal SD card to computer (optional)
- Flash the new ROM via clockwork recovery
- Install TB from market and restore all user apps/data from backup
You should be good to go. I assume that the custom ROM you flash has all required system apps that you will need.
Pro Tip: Get Titanium Backup Donate version.. otherwise you're going to have a terrible time restoring apps with the non-donated version.
rakeshchn said:
I think this is what I do in the same order as given below
You should be good to go. I assume that the custom ROM you flash has all required system apps that you will need.
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Right. I don't even think it's even possible to backup system apps, that's why I mentioned only system app data. So, even system data usually or always restores well to new ROMs?
zephiK said:
Pro Tip: Get Titanium Backup Donate version.. otherwise you're going to have a terrible time restoring apps with the non-donated version.
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Why is that?
zephiK said:
Pro Tip: Get Titanium Backup Donate version.. otherwise you're going to have a terrible time restoring apps with the non-donated version.
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how come? I thought it would be better.
Because the full version lets you restore/backup in a batch, so you don't have to *click* *click* *click* a hundred times.
I dont think its right that free version of TB wont allow batch restore. Only thing that will be missed from donate version is fast restore using hypershell. I have not personally used the app, so this is based on what I have read.
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Because the full version lets you restore/backup in a batch, so you don't have to *click* *click* *click* a hundred times.
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The free version lets you batch backup. Are you sure it doesn't let you batch restore?
I don't always complain, but when I do, I #BlameWes
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The free version lets you batch backup. Are you sure it doesn't let you batch restore?
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Nope. Just back up. No batch restore. I think there's some other advanced functions that the free one won't do as well, but it's been a LONG time since I used the free one.
A small caveat regarding Titanium. There are a small handful of apps that don't behave after being restored - one that comes to mind right away is Google Voice. If you find an app FCs after being restored, just uninstall and re-download from the Market.
I am sure it doesn't, I bought the donate version and only then was I able to batch restore. Also the restores then were able to restore some programs I couldn't restore before.
Alright, then I guess I'll be donating tonight!
I don't always complain, but when I do, I #BlameWes
So I want to backup all my apps before 2.1 update and dont want to use a root app that might not work strait off. Question is will app monster restore apps with market links so they will still recieve updates?
Thanks
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go3asy said:
So I want to backup all my apps before 2.1 update and dont want to use a root app that might not work strait off. Question is will app monster restore apps with market links so they will still recieve updates?
Thanks
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I'm not sure about app monster but the latest versions of Titanium back up can force applications to link in the market.
You could always try that, but you'll have to wait for root.
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app monster just sits in the background backing up the APK as its installed basically you end up with a folder called APPMONSTER full of APK files that you have downloaded or installed from SD card in their original uninstalled state not quite sure what your getting at regarding market links but they are as they were originally nothing gets changed from the original apk its backed up as a whole file if you mean does it appear in the market download section as when you download from the market then no! no app (at least what I have reinstalled/installed) from the SD using appmonsters cache on the sd card will/have appeared in the market downloads section
I use MyBackup Pro. I started using it before I debranded my phone and obviously lost everything in the process. I restored my backup and all the apps were linked to the market.
(also restores loads of other stuff, if u want it to, Contacts, Call Log, Bookmarks, SMS, MMS, System Settings, Android Home, Alarms, Dictionary, Calendar, Music Playlist)
It's $4.99 but theres a 30 day free trial, so if it's just for one job, may be worth giving it a go.
So, prividing that after the 2.1 update we won't be able to root
(at least immediately), if I use MyBackup, will the applications be automatically re-installed via Restore option?
I know that app data recovery is not possible without root, but will at least avoid the manual re-installation?
Has someone used MyBackup is a non rooted phone to confirm how is the restore actually working?
I'm still pretty new to the android roms, I can appreciate the great work being done here!
What methods are you using to backup apps, especially those from the market? For me the biggest draw to android is the apps. Even when trying all the awesome roms here I also want to try out of the apps from the market. I assume that if I buy an app from the market I would be able to download it again without paying for it again. ???
Someone said that titanium backup will do this, but if this is the solution then we would need an apk for titanium backup.
Still, I think, better yet it would be nice to be able to backup, copy the apk file from any program I have installed so when I try out another build or android rom I don't have to go back to the market and re-download any and all apps I like.
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I'm still pretty new to the android roms, I can appreciate the great work being done here!
What methods are you using to backup apps, especially those from the market? For me the biggest draw to android is the apps. Even when trying all the awesome roms here I also want to try out of the apps from the market. I assume that if I buy an app from the market I would be able to download it again without paying for it again. ???
Someone said that titanium backup will do this, but if this is the solution then we would need an apk for titanium backup.
Still, I think, better yet it would be nice to be able to backup, copy the apk file from any program I have installed so when I try out another build or android rom I don't have to go back to the market and re-download any and all apps I like.
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Titanium backup is available in the market for download. You can backup the apk using a dike manager program if you would like,so when you install a new build you can just install it from the SD.
Personally, i prefer to just use app brain to synch NY apps and i use the launcher pro backup for my home screen.
the0stranger said:
I'm still pretty new to the android roms, I can appreciate the great work being done here!
What methods are you using to backup apps, especially those from the market? For me the biggest draw to android is the apps. Even when trying all the awesome roms here I also want to try out of the apps from the market. I assume that if I buy an app from the market I would be able to download it again without paying for it again. ???
Someone said that titanium backup will do this, but if this is the solution then we would need an apk for titanium backup.
Still, I think, better yet it would be nice to be able to backup, copy the apk file from any program I have installed so when I try out another build or android rom I don't have to go back to the market and re-download any and all apps I like.
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App Monster. Its free and you can download it from the Market. You can backup all your downloaded apps to your sd card and batch install them if you try out a new build.
In future please ask questions in the General Discussion Forum.
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Mark.
Titanium Backup is also available from the market for free. The paid version just restores easier. (You don't have to click ok for every app) Titanum backup also backs up settings (data)
Your purchases are linked to your gmail account, and you should be able to download again.
Just don't ask the apk of paid version here. It's warez.
I recommend My backup Pro... backs up apps and market links and just works...
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I am looking at switching builds but dont want to have to reinstall everything post the new build install on my sd card.
What back up system do people recommend, and do any actually allow a full backup/restore that will work?
If not then i will have to reinstall everything, but that seems a really long winded way about switching builds!
Thanks
I save the data .img file from the current build. Then I copy the new Android folder on the root of the mem stick. Then I put the data .img file from the old intall back in the new folder.
The above suggestion doesn't always work. If you're going to a completely different build then it may cause problems.
I use Titanium Backup Pro. It does cost, but not much and allows a full backup and restore of all apps and data.
i just use the free titanium backup to backup all my apps. google sync for contacts and then all i have to do it set up a couple of things like wifi and it work
I used to use the free version, but the last restore I did had nearly 200 apps in it, and you have to click "install" and then "ok" for every app with the free version. The paid one does it without you needing to do anything - that's the only reason I paid for it. (Oh, and it can freeze apps too, which is good for finding out what would happen if you uninstalled an app.)
So basically I needed an an APK for an older version of an app and it had already been overwritten. I allow 3 copies of backups with TiBu but my scheduled "redo backups for modified data" overwrites them quite often. I end up with 3 backups of the same app but they're all for the same version. The old version gets deleted because my scheduled "redo backups with modified data" detects new data and then does a new backup.
I wish it would only update the data and not the APK? What's the point of constantly updating the APK for an app when the version is still the same.
Yes, I want it to constantly update the data so I have the latest backup all the time, but it would be nice if it could do that and always save the last 2-3 APK versions as well...
Am I totally missing something here is it just the way it works for now? Thanks for any help!
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So basically I needed an an APK for an older version of an app and it had already been overwritten. I allow 3 copies of backups with TiBu but my scheduled "redo backups for modified data" overwrites them quite often. I end up with 3 backups of the same app but they're all for the same version. The old version gets deleted because my scheduled "redo backups with modified data" detects new data and then does a new backup.
I wish it would only update the data and not the APK? What's the point of constantly updating the APK for an app when the version is still the same.
Yes, I want it to constantly update the data so I have the latest backup all the time, but it would be nice if it could do that and always save the last 2-3 APK versions as well...
Am I totally missing something here is it just the way it works for now? Thanks for any help!
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There is an option to update 'app only', 'app + data', 'data only'.
Do you have an old Nandroid with the older version of the app available? If so just go into your Nandroid backup and pull out that APK.
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There is an option to update 'app only', 'app + data', 'data only'.
Do you have an old Nandroid with the older version of the app available? If so just go into your Nandroid backup and pull out that APK.
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Hi and thanks for the response!
Can you please tell me where you see that option? I've seen those options when restoring backups...it lets you pick what to restore...but I can't seem to find an option like that for backups...
Thanks again.
jeffreii said:
Hi and thanks for the response!
Can you please tell me where you see that option? I've seen those options when restoring backups...it lets you pick what to restore...but I can't seem to find an option like that for backups...
Thanks again.
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Maybe I'm mistaken and the Titanium Backup Script will not allow that. Did you have the old APK in an old Nandroid backup?
You can try either of these apps from the Play Store. They both allow you to back up data only:
My Backup
DataSync
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Maybe I'm mistaken and the Titanium Backup Script will not allow that. Did you have the old APK in an old Nandroid backup?/... DataSync
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Good Recommendation! there often are older versions of the app in nandroid backups, and TIBU will allow restore from Nandroid backups. :angel:
1. Go to the Main Menu
2. Scroll down to the Special Backup/Restore Menu (5th topic down)
3. select "EXTRACT FROM NANDROID BACKUP"
4. you will get a listing of all your nandroid backups and you can chose the one you want to take the app from.
5. It will take a bit to analyze the Nandroid and present you with the files menu.
6. Choose the file(s) you need to restore and do it!
jeffreii: So basically I needed an an APK for an older version of an app and it had already been overwritten.
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#1. Since you may have already "lost" the old version of the app because it has been updated, then to find an oilder version you could check some of the other app stores that frequently offer older versions of apps -some app stores have a listing of ALL versions of (some) apps! . . . so you can check them and see if you can find the older version --or even email the author of the app...:cyclops:
#2. Once you get your old app back, one option is to make a copy of the "good version" of that app from your apps directory and place it on your SD card or a data directory and keep overwriting the "new" app when the author publishes a new version.:good: :good:
#3. Also, once you get you app back (hopefully!) It sounds to me like you should turn off PLAY STORE AUTOMATIC UPDATING for this app. You do this once and then allow selective apps to auto update -but not allow global updating of apps. SO manually permit or don't permit updates depending upon the app (I do that with my Kindle Fire HD, since play wants to update the Amazon store -but that breaks the built in Kindle store, so I don't allow that app to update automatically).
Good Luck!
blyndfyre said:
Maybe I'm mistaken and the Titanium Backup Script will not allow that. Did you have the old APK in an old Nandroid backup?
You can try either of these apps from the Play Store. They both allow you to back up data only:
My Backup
DataSync
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I can't find the old APK in my backups (TiBu and Nandroids). I've made another thread to ask for help finding it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2380165
This thread I'd like to get help with TiBu though!
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Good Recommendation! there often are older versions of the app in nandroid backups, and TIBU will allow restore from Nandroid backups. :angel:
1. Go to the Main Menu
2. Scroll down to the Special Backup/Restore Menu (5th topic down)
3. select "EXTRACT FROM NANDROID BACKUP"
4. you will get a listing of all your nandroid backups and you can chose the one you want to take the app from.
5. It will take a bit to analyze the Nandroid and present you with the files menu.
6. Choose the file(s) you need to restore and do it!
jeffreii: So basically I needed an an APK for an older version of an app and it had already been overwritten.
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#1. Since you may have already "lost" the old version of the app because it has been updated, then to find an oilder version you could check some of the other app stores that frequently offer older versions of apps -some app stores have a listing of ALL versions of (some) apps! . . . so you can check them and see if you can find the older version --or even email the author of the app...:cyclops:
#2. Once you get your old app back, one option is to make a copy of the "good version" of that app from your apps directory and place it on your SD card or a data directory and keep overwriting the "new" app when the author publishes a new version.:good: :good:
#3. Also, once you get you app back (hopefully!) It sounds to me like you should turn off PLAY STORE AUTOMATIC UPDATING for this app. You do this once and then allow selective apps to auto update -but not allow global updating of apps. SO manually permit or don't permit updates depending upon the app (I do that with my Kindle Fire HD, since play wants to update the Amazon store -but that breaks the built in Kindle store, so I don't allow that app to update automatically).
Good Luck!
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I checked my old Nandroids/TiBu backups but could not find the APK - did that before making this thread. Trust me I have automatic updating off...I like to read change logs before accepting any updates.
My problem with TiBu is still unaddressed though...even if I allow TiBu to keep, say, 5 backups of each app...if I have a scheduled backup to "redo backups with modified data" and the data is modified in a certain app each time, once that runs 5 times I will have 5 backups of the same version APK along with 5 separate data points.
The 5 separate data points are exactly what you'd want...but if creating 5 APKs of the same version of the app ends up deleting the 6th backup which had the older APK version...what's the point of that? I'm left with 5 identical APKs and the older version, which I actually wanted, got to deleted because TiBu needed to backup the data.
Does that make sense?
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... The 5 separate data points are exactly what you'd want...but if creating 5 APKs of the same version of the app ends up deleting the 6th backup which had the older APK version...what's the point of that? I'm left with 5 identical APKs and the older version, which I actually wanted, got to deleted because TiBu needed to backup the data. Does that make sense?
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OK, I think I get it. TIBU will backup all copies it sees but it is not "smart enough" to preserve versions per se. (I may be wrong -but that's what I see so far). The six copies you mention are time based vice version based, so it's good logic for what it does. It just does not save based on versions. . . Perhaps that is an option we should ask the developer for! I think the focus of the frequent multiple backups is primarily on data, so it's good , but maybe not enough!
I just checked my own backups. I have max backup history of 5 and those 5 backups are done one by one over a two week period (of course). So I have many copies of each app that are identical --except when changes occur. Most apps right now have 5 identical copies, but for 7Zipper, Handnote and Gmail,(for example) each of them has two versions. I won't lose the "older versions" of these apps for a week or so, but after that they will disappear if I want ot save those older versions, well, I would have to take one of the measures that I mentioned before (copying over to another directory etc.)
I was going to ask -since you turned off auto updates-- how the app got updated, but I have discovered that even when I do that there is the occassional app that updates anyway -because I inadvertently said yes to some prompt, or perhaps the author had some auto update feature that I could not block. . .
Sorry I can't give you a better solution. . .
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OK, I think I get it. TIBU will backup all copies it sees but it is not "smart enough" to preserve versions per se. (I may be wrong -but that's what I see so far). The six copies you mention are time based vice version based, so it's good logic for what it does. It just does not save based on versions. . . Perhaps that is an option we should ask the developer for! I think the focus of the frequent multiple backups is primarily on data, so it's good , but maybe not enough!
I just checked my own backups. I have max backup history of 5 and those 5 backups are done one by one over a two week period (of course). So I have many copies of each app that are identical --except when changes occur. Most apps right now have 5 identical copies, but for 7Zipper, Handnote and Gmail,(for example) each of them has two versions. I won't lose the "older versions" of these apps for a week or so, but after that they will disappear if I want ot save those older versions, well, I would have to take one of the measures that I mentioned before (copying over to another directory etc.)
I was going to ask -since you turned off auto updates-- how the app got updated, but I have discovered that even when I do that there is the occassional app that updates anyway -because I inadvertently said yes to some prompt, or perhaps the author had some auto update feature that I could not block. . .
Sorry I can't give you a better solution. . .
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It sounds like you get my point now! Basically, TiBu should be smart enough to backup data and app apks as separate items. When I say keep 3 copies, it should look at those separately...keep the 3 last APK versions and keep the 3 last data backups...not combine them and overwrite APK versions just because data got updated too.
What happened was I updated the app two weeks ago and everything was fine...I then switched to Goldeneye 4.0 ROM and the WatchESPN app wouldn't load anymore. I read other people in the Play Store had the same problem...so I am guessing that perhaps it's an international firmware issue...since it still works fine when I switch back to AT&T stock MDL. The second data is that some of those complaining in the Play Store reviews are saying "since the last update, it doesn't load"...so I'm thinking maybe the latest update broke something for international firmware versions...so if I can find the old version that might work...but no way to test it without getting the APK.
Ok, you are right about the apps vs. Data thing exactly for the reasons you mention!
(Btw, I almost decided to try golden eye this weekend, but Shostock2.1 is running so well that I'll just use my phone for a while)..
I did a very quick look at some alternate android app stores on my phone just now, but am surprised that I have not found the watch-espn app...
The only other thing might be if you kept a copy of your sd card on your computer, and that copy might have an old nandroid with the app... that worked for me - when I wanted to restore and use flex t9 and the company had moved on to a swype version I did not like as much...
Good luck (I'll continue to scan for old versions of watchespn when I get on a desktop..)
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markbc01 said:
Ok, you are right about the apps vs. Data thing exactly for the reasons you mention!
(Btw, I almost decided to try golden eye this weekend, but Shostock2.1 is running so well that I'll just use my phone for a while)..
I did a very quick look at some alternate android app stores on my phone just now, but am surprised that I have not found the watch-espn app...
The only other thing might be if you kept a copy of your sd card on your computer, and that copy might have an old nandroid with the app... that worked for me - when I wanted to restore and use flex t9 and the company had moved on to a swype version I did not like as much...
Good luck (I'll continue to scan for old versions of watchespn when I get on a desktop..)
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Thanks! If I hadn't used all 8 of my thanks clicks for the day I'd give you one. First thing tomorrow though!
If you find any leads let me know in my WatchESPN request thread (linked above). It needs to be bumped anyways and I am not supposed to bump it until 24 hours! lol
I'm still surprised I can't find any other threads/discussion about this issue.
I'd really think that one of the priorities of the backup is to keep old apk versions in case you want to roll back...
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So I realized today that TiBu doesn't actually keep multiple copies of the same APK - it is smart enough to know they're the same and save space by only keeping one, no matter how many data backups you have.
However, if you have multiple versions of the APK, it will keep both versions...until the data that was backed up at the same time as the old APK version gets deleted...then the old APK version will be deleted as well.
I sent a support email to the dev of TiBu asking this question...will post here if I get a response.
Thanks, I've used TIBU as long as I have had android phones and still didn't realize that version saving was missing -or that TIBU saves only one copy of each version. It's such s good app..I bet the author will reply and may add that extra functionality...
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Thanks, I've used TIBU as long as I have had android phones and still didn't realize that version saving was missing -or that TIBU saves only one copy of each version. It's such s good app..I bet the author will reply and may add that extra functionality...
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I hope so.
Almost 5 days since I emailed them and no response yet.
an idea is to make a special backup to google drive or box or drop box and save a backup there with the configuration you like and leave it there. . .sort of as a safe haven for when the devs update the apps in a way that doesn't do good things for your phone!
not a perfect solution, but at least it does push the app(s) somewhere out of the way in an automated manner. . .
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markbc01 said:
an idea is to make a special backup to google drive or box or drop box and save a backup there with the configuration you like and leave it there. . .sort of as a safe haven for when the devs update the apps in a way that doesn't do good things for your phone!
not a perfect solution, but at least it does push the app(s) somewhere out of the way in an automated manner. . .
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Yeah but there's no "configuration I like". You never know when you're going to update an app and find out later that you want to roll back...
Any update to this Issue?
Could this have Something to do with this option?:
Batch Mode Settings:
Min age (days) For refresh,