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Among those of you with a deap knowledge of the inner working of HTC phone for 3G networks.
Is HTC doing something to phones for each carrier to lock the phone to a specific carriers 3G network and no other.
I'm asking because I was talking with a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network (850/2100). He uses T-Mobile and tried to get it to work with his T-Mobile SIM with no success. He also told me he had a conversation with someone from HTC that told him that he would no beable to get his HD2 to work on T-Mobile because the hardware will not work with T-Mobiles 3G network (1700/2100).
If this is the case does anyone know if it changable, is it a Firmware issue that can be changed or is it like hard wired physically?
Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
Lets have some good discussion...
there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.
He will have no issues using the phone with T-mobile usa. He will not get 3G because of the bands. He will just have edge. But calls, mms, text, email, and internet will all function properly.
Clarify this please
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?
alejo1575 said:
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?
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So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...
Yeah ...bad news
tallmantim said:
So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...
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Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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No, but the Telstra HD2 will pick up the 850MHz signals where they exist. There is no HD2 with the 1900MHz UMTS band at the moment
lude219 said:
there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.
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Would you mind pointing me in the direction of those BILLIONS of threads.
I've done searchs on hardware dependents, radio/hardware dependents, 3G radio.
There are so many way that is topic could be listed.
I'm finding nothing but my thread now just as before.
theisdept said:
a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network
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Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
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Erm, so AT&T gives a phone, for promotion of their service, and at the same time they should allow you to use another network? You've got too much hope there...
alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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yea my friend my phone is , and i am here with t mobile suffering from same problem like u , i bought that phone which is compatible with Asia , not here in usa
is there way to exchange??
mine is
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps upload and 7.2 Mbps download speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are
operator dependen)
egypro said:
is there way to exchange??
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exchange your phone for cash
exchange that cash for a phone that supports the correct bands.
I would like to know if this version work 3G with T-mobile US , i want to get it from clove.co.uk but i want to make sure first if it works with T-mobile US 3G ....
Thanks
clove sell them with 3g frequencies of
3G Network - HSDPA 900/1900/2100
t-mobile usa uses 3g on
1700 and 2100
so you would be missing a band, doubt it would be any good for you.
no 3G without the 1700 band
tmo usa uses 1700 upload and 2100 download - i foolishly thought i could survive with just 3G on the download side - luckily someone that had tried it with a HTC Desire from Tmo UK told me it didn't - if tmo usa network doesn't see both sides of the AWS IV band (1700 & 2100) it will limit the connection to 2G speeds
larryccf said:
no 3G without the 1700 band
tmo usa uses 1700 upload and 2100 download - i foolishly thought i could survive with just 3G on the download side - luckily someone that had tried it with a HTC Desire from Tmo UK told me it didn't - if tmo usa network doesn't see both sides of the AWS IV band (1700 & 2100) it will limit the connection to 2G speeds
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that's why they call it a "band". Without both frequencies that are bound together, it aint gonna work.
Thanks guys for the answers. I really like this phone but I don't want to get the one in tmobile, because I want Arabic support and I don't know if vibrant accept I900 0 Roms . If it does of course I will get it . So my q now is the vibrant accept I9000 roms or not ?
Thanks again
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Hi guys,
Just got myself T-Mobile USA HD2. Its unlocked. Moving to toronto canada next week. Can someone tell me what frequencies does my HD2 work on?
and will it work on networks in Toronto, Canada? like Rogers, telus, etc.?
Kindly let me know.
Thanks
tmous =
gsm (calls, gprs, edge) on 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G HSDPA on 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
for rogers it will work for calls, gprs and edge on gsm 850/1900, but rogers also uses 850 and 1900 for 3g, so tmous wont work for 3g, and isnt telus cdma? or have they switched to gsm yet? (i know they say theyre switching to gsm this year, but talk is cheap...) Regardless, its very unlikely to work for 3g, though it should work for calls, gprs and edge, assuming they HAVE turned on gsm.
samsamuel said:
tmous =
gsm (calls, gprs, edge) on 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G HSDPA on 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
for rogers it will work for calls, gprs and edge on gsm 850/1900, but rogers also uses 850 and 1900 for 3g, so tmous wont work for 3g, and isnt telus cdma? or have they switched to gsm yet? (i know they say theyre switching to gsm this year, but talk is cheap...) Regardless, its very unlikely to work for 3g, though it should work for calls, gprs and edge, assuming they HAVE turned on gsm.
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thanx for the reply. telus side is surely selling gsm devices i guess. so maybe they r onn. not sure though. but other than rogers, are there any other gsm networks in toronto?
although i don use 3g at al so not a big deal for me as long as gsm works and only if sometimes req edge shd work. thats it.
also right now am in india, and i have tmobile usa HD2. moving to canada next week, is there any chance the customs ppl will have an eye on my cell phone and ask for its details? i bought it 4m ebay. if there is anything anyone know in this respect then do let me know(kinda off topic).
thanx.
Hi All
I have recently moved to Canada with my UK HTC HD2.
Since moving here I have changed my phone provider to Fido (Rogers Network). Internet seems extremely slow compared to my UK provider.
Someone told me that because I have a UK phone it is not using the correct bands for HSPA and that's why my internet access is so slow. Internet access is extremely fast on Wi-Fi so I know it's not a problem with the ROM etc.
Can anyone give me any ideas if this sounds correct - do I need to sell my UK HTC HD2 and purchase an American one to get over this problem?
Thanks
I think your friend is correct.
Rogers uses 850Mhz and 1900 Mhz, while in the
United Kingdom the bands used are 800Mhz and 1800Mhz (and some 2100Mhz),
Your UK HD2 is of European configuration, and should be able to cope with the Rogers frequencies. (See)
Your phone uses 900 - 2100 for 3G
Rogers provides it at 850 - 1900 , therefore your phone will slow down to GPRS speeds.
Have you tried flashing a new radio ROM?
If so, perhaps you should try another one.
At least in theory you could keep your phone and have mobile broadband.
What your friend is telling is true for dual band phones, however the HD2 is quad band..... Perhaps contact your provider (sometimes the dataplan has not been correctly activated, therefore access to mobile broadband is denied, and you will revert to the low GSM data band)
Otherwise contact HTC.
PS: Sorry for my ****-up
the t8585 (regular hd2) uses 900 and 2100 for 3g.
source
thats why canadian users with cash to splash go for the australian telstra model which uses 850/2100
You will only get GPRS and edge speeds, and no, the american wont get 3g either.
Yep....
I's official, I am cross-eyed, got the correct info, but wrong interpretation.
I stand corrected.
Thanks to both of you for the response .... I'm a little confused though!
So if I bought a T-Mobile USA model - that wouldn't give me 3G on the Rogers network I'm on? I have to buy an Australian Telstra model to get 3G?
Thanks!
*EDIT* ... Oh I think I get it now... I don't need to have the 850 and 1900 bands to use 3G on the Rogers network so long as I have one or the other - correct me if I am wrong please?
yea thats it, and the US hd2 has 1700/2100 which is why that one doesnt get 3g on rogers.
I get ya! Thanks for that.... so is Canada the only country that uses 1900? I'm asking because I now know that I can buy an Australian phone to suit the 850 but is there another country's phone apart from Canada that will use the 1900 band?
also I noticed something in my phone settings....there's an option to change my base band so I have selected 850/1900 GSM but it doesn't seem to have made a great deal of difference even after a reset
that's gsm, (calls, gprs and edge) nothing to do with the umts bands.
put umts bands into google, theres a Wikipedia page tells you what countries and networks use what bands.
Hi,
I bought MyTouch 4g from US and unlock it. Now, I am using the same in India. The problem is that I cannot connect to 3g network in india.
I googled and found that MyTouch 4g recognize 1900 MHz frequency as 2g and in India, 3g works on that frequency.
Is it possible to make MyTouch 4g listen for 3g on 1900 MHz? Is it possible thru Radio rewrite or something?
felix.christy said:
Hi,
I bought MyTouch 4g from US and unlock it. Now, I am using the same in India. The problem is that I cannot connect to 3g network in india.
I googled and found that MyTouch 4g recognize 1900 MHz frequency as 2g and in India, 3g works on that frequency.
Is it possible to make MyTouch 4g listen for 3g on 1900 MHz? Is it possible thru Radio rewrite or something?
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My friend has the same phone. Got it from US and 3g is working with Airtel. Make sure that your sim is 3G ready. If it is old then it wont even search any network when in 3G mode. MyTouch 4g supports 2100 MHz. Airtel and every other 3g operator also uses the same Bandwidth in India. You don't need any radio flashing.
sagarparmar said:
My friend has the same phone. Got it from US and 3g is working with Airtel. Make sure that your sim is 3G ready. If it is old then it wont even search any network when in 3G mode. MyTouch 4g supports 2100 MHz. Airtel and every other 3g operator also uses the same Bandwidth in India. You don't need any radio flashing.
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Hi Sagar! Thanks for the reply, I took my friend's sim (which is almost a year old), and tried but no luck , I checked the airtel site and they claim that to use 3g, you do not required new sim, the old one works.
I am really confused!
felix.christy said:
Hi Sagar! Thanks for the reply, I took my friend's sim (which is almost a year old), and tried but no luck , I checked the airtel site and they claim that to use 3g, you do not required new sim, the old one works.
I am really confused!
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The myTouch 4G is designed to use on the T-Mobile network with HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
The 3G network in some countries will be different. You should have this frequency to enjoy 3G service.
This is preset in the hardware itself, so can't change by flashing Radio. Try using some other carrier sim cards.
Always remember to ensure the compatibility of the carrier before purchasing the phone.
ummm , probably i got the same problem
im in china and when i connect to 3g network the phone displays 4g icon on the top ....
dysquare said:
ummm , probably i got the same problem
im in china and when i connect to 3g network the phone displays 4g icon on the top ....
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That's not a problem. myTouch 4G is designed for T-Mobile HSPA+ Network.
If your phone displays 4G icon, it means that you are having an HSPA+ network (speed > 14.2 Mbps)
I think you are on China Unicom network, if yes you can enjoy high speed network same as T-Mobile.
febycv said:
The myTouch 4G is designed to use on the T-Mobile network with HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
The 3G network in some countries will be different. You should have this frequency to enjoy 3G service.
This is preset in the hardware itself, so can't change by flashing Radio. Try using some other carrier sim cards.
Always remember to ensure the compatibility of the carrier before purchasing the phone.
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Hi, Thanks for the reply, the carrier that I am using has 3g frequency on 2100 Mhz and as you said, mytouch 4g supports that
HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
so, technically, I should get the 3g service, right?
felix.christy said:
Hi, Thanks for the reply, the carrier that I am using has 3g frequency on 2100 Mhz and as you said, mytouch 4g supports that
HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
so, technically, I should get the 3g service, right?
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Technically i think it holds good....may be some other compatibility aspect.
I suggest to use the carrier TATA DOCOMO, since they use the advanced technology of NTT DOCOMO, JAPAN
Go through this Wikipedia link. Try changing the carrier sim until you reach the compatibile one.
felix.christy said:
Hi, Thanks for the reply, the carrier that I am using has 3g frequency on 2100 Mhz and as you said, mytouch 4g supports that
HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
so, technically, I should get the 3g service, right?
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Technically you should but may be you are in an area where there is no 3g coverage? Just guessing.
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Yeah, manish might be right. Check whether 3g network is there and make sure that in settings->wireless n networks->use only 2g network is unchecked.
it should work. I don't see a prob with the phone as it worls here in Karnataka. Try using vodafone 3g too.
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Hey Felix,
Just now I asked my friend (who owns MT4G) about airtel 3G in Ahmedabad. Airtel 3g is not yet deployed there it seems. That's what he told. He is getting 3G here in Bangalore but when he visited he dint get 3g. Vodafone has 3G there I guess.
No issues with phone I guess.
BTW, I am Diana's classmate.
you can find my email address in some of her forwards
sagarparmar said:
Hey Felix,
Just now I asked my friend (who owns MT4G) about airtel 3G in Ahmedabad. Airtel 3g is not yet deployed there it seems. That's what he told. He is getting 3G here in Bangalore but when he visited he dint get 3g. Vodafone has 3G there I guess.
No issues with phone I guess.
BTW, I am Diana's classmate.
you can find my email address in some of her forwards
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See, world is too small!
Back to the point! My wife has HTC G2 (HTC GSM Hero) bought from India only, she is getting Airtel 3g, and I am not! ,
In any case, I am going to get a new sim card tomorrow, and also, I am going to check 3g service with TATA DOCOMO, as I checked with them and they are providing 3g services on HSDPA 2100 Mhz.
So, let me do these test cases and will let update you!
Thanks,
Felix
felix.christy said:
See, world is too small!
Back to the point! My wife has HTC G2 (HTC GSM Hero) bought from India only, she is getting Airtel 3g, and I am not! ,
In any case, I am going to get a new sim card tomorrow, and also, I am going to check 3g service with TATA DOCOMO, as I checked with them and they are providing 3g services on HSDPA 2100 Mhz.
So, let me do these test cases and will let update you!
Thanks,
Felix
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Read somewhere that Airtel has 900 Mhz band in some circle. It might deploy 3g in that band in some circle where it dint win 2100 Mhz band e.g. Gujarat. Tata Vodafone Idea won 2100 band for Gujarat.
It seems Airtel deployed 3G on 900 MHz band in Gujarat. your wife is getting 3G with the phone which has WCDMA 900/2100 Freq band support. MT4G has WCDMA 1700/2100 but you are not getting 3G. so logical conclusion is Airtel has deployed 3G on 900 Mhz. Try switching to Vodafone/Idea. You will get 3G if this is the case.
sagarparmar said:
Read somewhere that Airtel has 900 Mhz band in some circle. It might deploy 3g in that band in some circle where it dint win 2100 Mhz band e.g. Gujarat. Tata Vodafone Idea won 2100 band for Gujarat.
It seems Airtel deployed 3G on 900 MHz band in Gujarat. your wife is getting 3G with the phone which has WCDMA 900/2100 Freq band support. MT4G has WCDMA 1700/2100 but you are not getting 3G. so logical conclusion is Airtel has deployed 3G on 900 Mhz. Try switching to Vodafone/Idea. You will get 3G if this is the case.
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The T-Mobile myTouch 4G is designed for band frequency HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
It uses HSPA+ (Evolved High-Speed Packet Access) network of T-Mobile.
Even if it's build with HSDPA technique & a maximum download speed of 14.4 Mbps,
It is termed as 4G not 3.5G because it uses the T-Mobile HSPA+ network (speed upto 42Mbps) all over the U.S.
GET THE FACTS CLEAR BEFORE YOU MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS FORUM
@above, FYI, WCDMA is the Physical layer technique for HSPA or HSPA+. So when u say it is HSPA/HSPA+ network your phone is using WCDMA for phy layer.
PLS DON'T COMMENT WHEN YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POST.
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I had already checked on their site. It supports 1700/2100 for HSPA(+) network and doesn't support 900 MHz
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febycv said:
The T-Mobile myTouch 4G is designed for band frequency HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
It uses HSPA+ (Evolved High-Speed Packet Access) network of T-Mobile.
Even if it's build with HSDPA technique & a maximum download speed of 14.4 Mbps,
It is termed as 4G not 3.5G because it uses the T-Mobile HSPA+ network (speed upto 42Mbps) all over the U.S.
GET THE FACTS CLEAR BEFORE YOU MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS FORUM
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Wrong. MT4G doesn't support 900MHz band, only 1700(AWS)/2100. Refer to official HTC or T-Mo specs on their respective sites.
Additional possible reason for not having 3G is - you need the correct APNs entered to get the cellular data working.
Hi Friends,
Finally, getting 3g network (sometimes 3g and sometimes 'H') with Airtel only, I did these things
1) Change the sim card, as my sim card was around 6 years old!
2) On my carrier's site, it is not written that I need to request them to start 3g, but actually, we need to send sms '3G' to them, and then they will enable 3g network
3) I did my network mode to WCDMA only,
Some facts
- Airtel Gujarat 3G runs on 2100 Mhz
So, in nutshell
MyTouch 4g works in India with Airtel 3g network !
Thank you all!
Cheers,
Felix
felix.christy said:
Hi Friends,
Finally, getting 3g network (sometimes 3g and sometimes 'H') with Airtel only, I did these things
1) Change the sim card, as my sim card was around 6 years old!
2) On my carrier's site, it is not written that I need to request them to start 3g, but actually, we need to send sms '3G' to them, and then they will enable 3g network
3) I did my network mode to WCDMA only,
Some facts
- Airtel Gujarat 3G runs on 2100 Mhz
So, in nutshell
MyTouch 4g works in India with Airtel 3g network !
Thank you all!
Cheers,
Felix
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Haha. I told you to change the SIM at first..
Yeah, even i thought 2100 MHz should be freq as it is the same everywhere else. Plus, I was just thinkinig about 900 because airtel dint get 2100 band for Gujarat. But also read somewhere that it tied up with idea for that frequency. So all in all, all is well.
I know it's an old thread. But incase if someone still looking for clean answer on which handset to buy for indian 2G and 3G neworks.
1. Technically AT&T US should do.
2. It should be having 2100 MHz (MegaHertz) 3G HSDPA (Indian carrier use this band to DOWNSTREAM data on 3G band) + 1900 Mhz (Indian carrier use this band to UPSTREAM data for 3G)
If any one of these (HSDPA 1900 / 2100 MHz) is missing from your mobile handset, Then your 3G will not work in India.
3. 900 and 1800 and 1900 MHz for 2G / EDGE / GSM / GPRS
So in all it should be like this to cover all indian operators
General 2G Network : GSM 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network : HSDPA 1900 / 2100
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