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Price @ T-Mobile! Really want to buy! Your opinion please...

Hey everyone, I hope this is useful for anyone else looking for the HD2 and are currently in a long term contract.
On T-mobile's tariff list, there is the HTC HD2 on a 18 month contract @ £13.50 (plus the phone cost of £195.73)
£13.50 x 18 = £243
£243 + £195.73 = £438.73
Currently that is cheaper than buying it SIM Free, and I can pay a good half of it, over 18 months. Does this sound good, or am I missing something here?
I am currently on a 24 month Orange Contract with a HTC Touch HD (Blackstone), it only started in January and it is my main contract with 800 Minutes, Internet, etc, etc, So i won't be using the T-Mobile SIM.
1. Is this worth doing? Or is it too much hassle and I am better of getting it SIM free?
2. Will the Phone from T-Mobile be Unlocked? (Apparently O2's HD2 are), if not, Can it be unlocked?
3. Will I enjoy this phone? I use a Touch HD, with a custom ROM, can't fault it, love the phone, love the keyboard, I am a long time WinMo user.
Thanks very much.
Any assistance will be much appreciated!

T-Mobile phones are nearly always locked and various reports here from people who've got one directly from T-Mobile have said that the HD2 from them is locked.
The ones supplied by O2 are also locked.
Both are very lightly branded by software. Externally there is no operator branding.
So you must factor in the price of unlocking the handset (around €22) as well as the fact that you'll have a HD2 with a CID of a branded phone.
I'm sure it's possible to buy one sim-free and unbranded from various places for around the same price of £460 (price of T-Mobile inc. contract + unlock fee), but I suppose the 'interest-free' way of doing it may appeal to you.

I've also heard that the o2 ones are locked but o2 will happily unlock it for you,they even have a link on their site for doing so apparently..

I really appreciate your comments, its been really helpful.
I will keep looking around for a HD2 SIM Free.
Any unlocking solutions? Like the one you have referred to as being 22 euros?
I had a look at o2's website, I can't seem to find the HD2 on their website, even then, they are not tariffs which look like they will be cheaper in the long run, oh well.
Thanks very much again.

terrytpot said:
I've also heard that the o2 ones are locked but o2 will happily unlock it for you,they even have a link on their site for doing so apparently..
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The problem is no one has actually had their HD2 unlocked by O2 for free so far. There's been no report of it happening on this forum at all. Someone from here said that they rang O2 and they said that they would unlock, but they'd have to wait 28 days and pay £15. Until it's been verified by a member on here that O2 will unlock via that link (and maybe even for free) it's just hearsay.
The link to get a HD2 unlocked for €22 is:
http://www.unlock-phone-htc.com/unlocking-htc-hd2.html
Some members here have used this service so should be good/safe to use.

kai_ said:
T-Mobile phones are nearly always locked and various reports here from people who've got one directly from T-Mobile have said that the HD2 from them is locked.
The ones supplied by O2 are also locked.
Both are very lightly branded by software. Externally there is no operator branding.
So you must factor in the price of unlocking the handset (around €22) as well as the fact that you'll have a HD2 with a CID of a branded phone.
I'm sure it's possible to buy one sim-free and unbranded from various places for around the same price of £460 (price of T-Mobile inc. contract + unlock fee), but I suppose the 'interest-free' way of doing it may appeal to you.
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HD2 from Mobiles,co.uk are all unbranded and unlocked as far as I am aware. I got mine from them on Vodaphone, no branding , am using Orange sim in it at the moment......

I bought mine from http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/
Same price as from tmobile but unlocked and stock ROM. also 3 months free insurance.

kjt57 said:
HD2 from Mobiles,co.uk are all unbranded and unlocked as far as I am aware. I got mine from them on Vodaphone, no branding , am using Orange sim in it at the moment......
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that is exactly my story too lol, had mine delivered from mobiles.co.uk on monday on a voda contract, 30 quid a month and half price for 6 months, but using my orange sim as got 8 months left on the contract!

I had this thought the other day about buying with a contract, if it was about the same price, as a way of cheap financing (no interest!). But, I am in the U.S. I'm thinking they would probably flag this somehow when the billing address shows up as being in the U.S.? ... What do y'all think?

ugarhino said:
I had this thought the other day about buying with a contract, if it was about the same price, as a way of cheap financing (no interest!). But, I am in the U.S. I'm thinking they would probably flag this somehow when the billing address shows up as being in the U.S.? ... What do y'all think?
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You can only get a contract with a carrier in your country of residence! They'd have a hard time recovering debt if you decided not to pay 3000 miles away lol

kai_ said:
The problem is no one has actually had their HD2 unlocked by O2 for free so far. There's been no report of it happening on this forum at all. Someone from here said that they rang O2 and they said that they would unlock, but they'd have to wait 28 days and pay £15. Until it's been verified by a member on here that O2 will unlock via that link (and maybe even for free) it's just hearsay.
The link to get a HD2 unlocked for €22 is:
http://www.unlock-phone-htc.com/unlocking-htc-hd2.html
Some members here have used this service so should be good/safe to use.
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I work for O2 and we had an internal announcement saying that they would unlock contract phones for free, although as everyone has been told it can take 28 days to receive the instructions. They should only be charging you £15 if you want to unlock a pay as you go phone. If you don't mind the wait then it's probably worth doing it through the link. That said it's a service they only launched a few weeks ago, so i wouldn't be surprised if there are a few issues initially.
Getting back on topic i'd say you would be better off getting it from T-Mobile rather than O2 if you are looking for the cheapest deal.

I Got mine from www.onestopphoneshop.co.uk It is sim unlocked and a choice of networks. Best of all they pick up the phone when you try to contact them! unlike mobiles.co.uk and mobile phone direct. I Dont like 18 month contracts as new phones are released to often. My 12 month contract with vodafone cost £540 total.

mndl632 said:
I work for O2 and we had an internal announcement saying that they would unlock contract phones for free, although as everyone has been told it can take 28 days to receive the instructions. They should only be charging you £15 if you want to unlock a pay as you go phone. If you don't mind the wait then it's probably worth doing it through the link. That said it's a service they only launched a few weeks ago, so i wouldn't be surprised if there are a few issues initially.
Getting back on topic i'd say you would be better off getting it from T-Mobile rather than O2 if you are looking for the cheapest deal.
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Generally O2 phones purchased on contract are unlocked from the off. The only exception to this was the iPhone (until recently anyway).
I know some people on the O2 Simplicity (sim only rolling contract) tarriff who managed to buy the HD2 'outright' but they came locked to O2. How does that work for unlocking purposes - will O2 still unlock for free? I mean it's entirely possible that they can leave almost immediately after obtaining the unlock code.

you're correct pretty much all o2 phones on contract are unlocked apart from the iphone and palm pre. Not sure about those who got the HD2 outright from O2, i'd assume they would still unlock it for free as these people have paid to get the phone outright.

Ah this has been most helpful!
I can't wait to order now, I am about to soon put my Touch HD on ebay, shove my Orange SIM card in an old 8310 lol until the T-mobile HD2 arrives! Can't wait!
Thanks a lot everyone for your input! I hope I can get it unlocked soon after it arrives too.

[CLOSED/DZ] Where are you getting your Desire Z from? Contract/Sim-Free?

Hey,
Was just wondering where people are planning on getting their Desire Z from and if you are planning on going the contract route or just paying for it out-right and getting a sim-free phone.
As of yet it looks like Play.com , handtec and clove look the best for sim-free.
As for carriers I am yet to see this being advertised on any, only the Desire HD is showing as coming soon.
I had a chat with someone from T-Mobile today and the think they should have them in October and wouldn't say when.
Contract options are going through my current contract with T-Mo and getting a locked and branded handset and keep my unlimited data (3gbs) or going through any of the other carriers through a dif website and their max unlimited data seems to be on T-Mo but is down to a ridiculous 1gb/mnth.
What your thoughts?

Getting mine sim free. Had a Touch Pro 2 which I bought outright, and just got a contract o2 sim from carphonewarehouse which I swapped out to sim only... Running at about £5 p/m... Anyway, TP2 died, sent to insurance, who gave me money towards my new phone
So, looking to get the Desire Z. Prolly gonna go to handtec... Was told that htc only offer the 2 year warranty when bought from authorised htc resellers, otherwise, it's only a 1 year warranty. Anyone know how true this is?
Can't wait till they're released tho Looks a great phone...

Good point about warranty. But I'm going to pay by Egg Money Card to get extended warranty to 24 months.
I remember my last phone from T-Mobile had 2 years warranty. But when I tried to check Handtec and Clove websites I couldn't find anything about warranty period for this phone. But other HTC phones have 2 years warranty.

handtec sell UK stock and is covered by 2 year warranty via HTC. I have my past 4 HTC phones from them.

Sim free from ebay

StuRoid said:
Hey,
I had a chat with someone from T-Mobile today and the think they should have them in October and wouldn't say when.
Contract options are going through my current contract with T-Mo and getting a locked and branded handset and keep my unlimited data (3gbs) or going through any of the other carriers through a dif website and their max unlimited data seems to be on T-Mo but is down to a ridiculous 1gb/mnth.
What your thoughts?
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I was reading somewhere that the date got pushed to October 16th I think for anyone buying from tmobile. I could be wrong though seeing as they have already postponed it once.
As far as contract vs outright, I know I dont have 500 dollars or so lying around and am already tired of ATT service, so im going with the discounted handset and improved service

Always buy sim-free. In Poland contract is installment purchase with very high interest rates in fact. I prefer unlimited internet & text + 1000 minutes instead of new phone with poor plan.

definitely SIM free...in Australia, I would have to wait until around 2011 before I could get this phone on contract - and even then it would be very expensive!
Looking at expansys...which will be selling it for around $760AUD including shipping..but i'll also see what ebay sellers can do! Hopefully around $700!! (or less)

Amazon.co.uk. They won't be available in my country (Slovakia) at launch, plus they will be overpriced as hell. Expansys has it overpriced too (even including the postage fees i will be around 510 euros from Amazon, vs 535 euros from Expansys).
On contract ? LOL. HTC Desire was added to my T-Mobile SK phone list just 2 or 3 weeks ago .

I have a free handset upgrade just sitting in Telstra's system in hopes that the Z will come to them. Either the Z or the Droid 2 World edition or whatever other bad ass phone may come.

I am from New Zealand want a contract free phone i doubt Telecom/Vodafone releases it .They just released Desire & X10
If i buy from UK or any other international seller where is the warranty applicable?? .

Metalspree said:
I am from New Zealand want a contract free phone i doubt Telecom/Vodafone releases it .They just released Desire & X10
If i buy from UK or any other international seller where is the warranty applicable?? .
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Generally the warranty wont be valid outside the country the device was purchased in.......but I cant guarantee that
Best thing might be to email HTC about it???

Whiterin said:
I have a free handset upgrade just sitting in Telstra's system in hopes that the Z will come to them. Either the Z or the Droid 2 World edition or whatever other bad ass phone may come.
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The question you got to ask yourself with this question is if you like to play around with your phone like flashing roms and all sorts of other stuff on your phone (since you're on here I'm guess that could be a yes)
Do you want to have that process be easy then go with the Z or if you prefer jumping through many hoops and possibly not having that ability you could go with the Moto.
I got to say I love Moto hardware, they have some of the most rock solid build quality and design but how they lock down their devices and have that rubbish blur on it annoys me....not to mention I was about 2 seconds away from buying a Milestone last year when it was released and seeing that it might never get its 2.2 update really makes me glad I didn't.

Got mine from MobilePhonesDirect
Network O2
900 minutes
Unlimited Texts
Unlimited Internet
£40 a month with 8 months at half price on an 18 month contract; works out at £31.11 per month.
First three months free insurance.

Daffa222 said:
Got mine from MobilePhonesDirect
Network O2
900 minutes
Unlimited Texts
Unlimited Internet
£40 a month with 8 months at half price on an 18 month contract; works out at £31.11 per month.
First three months free insurance.
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You might want to have a closer look into how much that 'unlimited internet' is that they are giving you. I was doing one of those chat things with one of their sales team and turns out that even though they were offering me a T-Mobile contract that it would be through mobilephonesdirect and so their unlimited internet is only 1Gb instead of T-Mobiles 3Gb which I though was a total rip-off.
Let us know when your phone finally arrives, not heard many good things about that company. Hope everything goes well.

by contract, vodafone NL 200, €25 pm for free, hopefully by the 15th oct, otherwise 8th nov

Still waiting for offers. Currently only vodafone is offering a not expensive contract here in Holland. Now €25.
Problem is that the " unlimited" internet here is limited, except on t- mobile. So ill wait a bit since my contract will end in the beginning of November.

Daffa222 said:
Got mine from MobilePhonesDirect
Network O2
900 minutes
Unlimited Texts
Unlimited Internet
£40 a month with 8 months at half price on an 18 month contract; works out at £31.11 per month.
First three months free insurance.
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How did you get 8months half price, I don't see anything like that on there site?

StuRoid said:
You might want to have a closer look into how much that 'unlimited internet' is that they are giving you. I was doing one of those chat things with one of their sales team and turns out that even though they were offering me a T-Mobile contract that it would be through mobilephonesdirect and so their unlimited internet is only 1Gb instead of T-Mobiles 3Gb which I though was a total rip-off.
Let us know when your phone finally arrives, not heard many good things about that company. Hope everything goes well.
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I shall be giving them a call during business hours tomorrow to check on the fair usage policy for the mobile internet. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
elliott_stocks said:
How did you get 8months half price, I don't see anything like that on there site?
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Their deals have changed. When I went into work the next day after ordering this package, my boss asked why I didn't get a phone through our company, as he can claim money back or something. So I had him look into a deal for me and if it worked out better, I'd cancel this one. I went back to the site to double-check what the deal was so I could give my boss the full details and I couldn't see the package I had ordered the night previously. So by the looks of things, it is no longer available.

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Czech Republic:
HTC Desire HD available at Vodafone for preorders (777CZK/month ~ 10500CZK price for phone)
HTC Desire Z not sure

[Q] How easy is to buy a Focus without a contract?

I will be traveling to the US in about a week, I want to buy a Focus and was wondering if I will be able to do it without having a contract with At&t..
I'm willing to pay the "No Commitment Pricing" of $500+taxes but I don't know what kind of requirements they impose to the actual purchase of a device in the store.
Anybody has info on this?

idloco said:
I will be traveling to the US in about a week, I want to buy a Focus and was wondering if I will be able to do it without having a contract with At&t..
I'm willing to pay the "No Commitment Pricing" of $500+taxes but I don't know what kind of requirements they impose to the actual purchase of a device in the store.
Anybody has info on this?
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Your best bet is Best Buy if/when they get the phone, I think.
When I bought my Focus today in an official AT&T store, they mentioned I would have to purchase some sort of contract to "get the phone today". I didn't mind since I was planning to, but it felt to me like it was a necessity...

Anyone else have problems buying off contract? I used my upgrade on an iPhone 4 and wanted to buy this for the full retail price today.... Hopefully I don't run into any problems =/

I bought mine no contract with no hassle. I'm already an ATT customer and just asked to buy the phone without a contract.

chizzwhizz said:
I bought mine no contract with no hassle. I'm already an ATT customer and just asked to buy the phone without a contract.
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Same here, I was in and out in about 5 minutes.

Bizybone said:
Same here, I was in and out in about 5 minutes.
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phew... load off my mind. now i can sell off my samsung captivate without worrying the whole day if i did it for nothing. THANKS

I got the phone when the stores open in Columbus, OH on the 8th. There were 4 of us in line there. The other 3 were Microsoft employees. Two bought the focus, one the HTC. All bought them with NO contract. Infact I think one guy paid for all three of them lol. I'm pretty sure since you can order them online with no contract for $499.99 at ATT.com that a contract is not needed.

I walked in and out of a official att store with a focus.

Buy it @ at&t stores should be no problem at all. The biggest problem is to get it unlocked.
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You can't buy the Samsung Focus off contract currently. AT&T will sell it outright ($499 + tax), but they will only sell it to you if your an existing on-contract customer or you sign up (with a minimum term). I've already been to AT&T and tried, apparantly my money is not good enough there. I'm not sure how people in the US put up with this rubbish. Either way, the only way to get a Samsung Focus in the US at the moment is to sign up at AT&T.
I've also been to Best Buy, but they only stock the HTC Surround, which I won't buy due to it not having a microSD slot.

I'm currently an AT&T customer who just renewed my contract for another 2 years for the iphone 4. So they'll be able to sell me one full retail price, right?

www.expansys-usa.com

What about Amazon Wireless, I think you can buy there without a plan...
EDIT: I just confirm this, you can buy without a plan!

Most online site still need to verify your status with AT&T (at least that's the policy with Letstalk.com). Stores don't like to sell phones without contract because there is no money to be made (monthly service charges).

jaraya13 said:
What about Amazon Wireless, I think you can buy there without a plan...
EDIT: I just confirm this, you can buy without a plan!
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You can go elsewhere on the net as well. The problem is AT&T has the best price right now. Everyone else is a good 50-80 more expensive. I'd rather save the extra cash and grab a branded one...

bmstrong said:
You can go elsewhere on the net as well. The problem is AT&T has the best price right now. Everyone else is a good 50-80 more expensive. I'd rather save the extra cash and grab a branded one...
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Dude I meant the branded ones (AT&T), for example the HTC SURROUND AT&T BRANDED price is $460 or something like that. And I was able to go through all the checkout process, just that I didn't want to pay, hehehe

OK cool.. I hope there are Focus left when I´m there!

Amazon.com doesn't have Focus in stock. In fact, it only briefly showed up in like 10 seconds before it was sold out @ 11/8.

You go to Dell online and buy any phone on any carrier in the US and some unlocked Nokia's without a contract and in some cases the prices are pretty good...I have a Streak AND a Nokia N8 on the way lol. The Nokia (ugly pea green one) was actually only $450 compared to $550 most other places. If I don't like either one I may be joining the Focus owners club in a few weeks.

craiglist.. thats how i got mine// 400 bucks.. a week old

Carphone Warehouse Network Price Promise

Has anyone tried using the Network Price Promise from Carphone Warehouse to get pay as you go phones from them and comparing the price with o2?

tankcmy said:
Has anyone tried using the Network Price Promise from Carphone Warehouse to get pay as you go phones from them and comparing the price with o2?
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i got one yesterday from CW, £399.00 PAYG, it was on O2 but i unlocked it.

I tried 3 different cpw stores today, 2 had stock but couldn't price match O2 payg as cow aren't offering the phone on payg yet and there was nothing the guy could do either as it wasn't on their system. I was told to try next week.
I read somewhere else on this forum that cpw will be dropping their sim free price to the £400 mark in the next week or so. The user claimed to work for cpw n last week correctly claim that they will introduce network price promise on 4th may.
So I'll prob jus wait n see what next week brings.
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I walked into a CPW store on the Strand today and asked them about this. The person working there told me they would do the Network Price Promise for Pay As You Go, and that the phones sold would be unlocked and unbranded. So even if they don't drop the sim-free price, you have no obligation to keep paying to top up on O2 after buying the phone.

Holding out on the rumours that CPW might be dropping their sim-free price to around £400.
Dunno how much longer I can wait though

sleeco said:
i got one yesterday from CW, £399.00 PAYG, it was on O2 but i unlocked it.
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Did you take anything in with you to show them the PAYG O2 price?

called CPW sales team, said they won't price match as sim free price can't be matched with o2 PAYG price.

Dirky said:
Did you take anything in with you to show them the PAYG O2 price?
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No, and i have not seen the PAYG O2 price, and i must say it is very fast, i have a SGS and i shall compare them side by side.

Andy2.2 said:
Holding out on the rumours that CPW might be dropping their sim-free price to around £400.
Dunno how much longer I can wait though
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Where did you hear those rumours?

Here are the terms and conditions to their Price Promise
http://selfhelp.carphonewarehouse.com/SelfHelp/request.do?view%28%29=c{f8f63de0-59ee-11df-f6de-f20203001e3d}
Seems like they should still price match even though O2 is locked

robot1000 said:
Here are the terms and conditions to their Price Promise
Seems like they should still price match even though O2 is locked
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They will price match but only on like for like deals, and seeing as they do not have the phone available for O2 PAYG on their systems yet they cannot sell you the exact same deal and therefore they cannot price match for you.
So you'll have to wait until CPW start offering PAYG deals on the phone.
Although it looks like O2 have taken the PAYG price off their websites, in fact you can't buy if on PAYG from their website anymore, so I'm not too sure if O2 have that offer on anymore. might have to check instore.

tankcmy said:
Has anyone tried using the Network Price Promise from Carphone Warehouse to get pay as you go phones from them and comparing the price with o2?
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try best buy. Same company less snobby. And their price match if they agree knocks off further 10%
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Phone Locked from P4u

Is it possible to buy PAYG from P4u and the phone is locked? Because yesterday when I wanted to buy PAYG for £499.99 the staff told me that is better to get the sim free version £530. I ask him why then he told me that the PAYG will be locked to network. (Whichever sim / network you choose your phone will be locked to that network). Is it true or he want me to buy £530 version?

jonrwg said:
Is it possible to buy PAYG from P4u and the phone is locked? Because yesterday when I wanted to buy PAYG for £499.99 the staff told me that is better to get the sim free version £530. I ask him why then he told me that the PAYG will be locked to network. (Whichever sim / network you choose your phone will be locked to that network). Is it true or he want me to buy £530 version?
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02 are selling locked PAYG Handsets for £399. (Plus £10 sim card if not on 02)
Unlock, via a well known website, is £15, you loose the 02 warranty, but still have the Samsung 2 yr warranty.

En_croute said:
02 are selling locked PAYG Handsets for £399. (Plus £10 sim card if not on 02)
Unlock, via a well known website, is £15, you loose the 02 warranty, but still have the Samsung 2 yr warranty.
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I ordered yday but it seems on their website now they remove PAYG for SGS II.
I'm not sure whether my order went through because I cant track my order and no email confirmation. So just wondered if SGS II sold by P4u can be locked with any network?

SIM free
jonrwg said:
Is it possible to buy PAYG from P4u and the phone is locked? Because yesterday when I wanted to buy PAYG for £499.99 the staff told me that is better to get the sim free version £530. I ask him why then he told me that the PAYG will be locked to network. (Whichever sim / network you choose your phone will be locked to that network). Is it true or he want me to buy £530 version?
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Hi my is factory unlocked-ph4u

When I enquired about this phone at Phones4U last week (before upgrading to it through O2), I was told by the guy there they never sell locked phones and they're always direct from the manufacturer.

-jen94ek- said:
Hi my is factory unlocked-ph4u
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Is yours sim free or PAYG?

Pagnell said:
When I enquired about this phone at Phones4U last week (before upgrading to it through O2), I was told by the guy there they never sell locked phones and they're always direct from the manufacturer.
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I knew that all these while but why did that P4u guy told me is locked on PAYG? Sounds fishy to me as he keep on pushing to get the sim free version. What even more weirder is I ask him the phone will be locked to what network and he say to any network I choose. Is is possible?

I'm a store manager at phones 4u. All our galaxy s2 stock and in fact all our pay monthly stock handsets afe unlocked. We don't make much from selling the gs2 on pay as u go so we hold stock back for pay monthly as stock is limited. Selling it at a sim free price makes us about double the amount of money compared to payg. Btw anyone wanting a contract gs2 in London just let me know
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tidusuk123 said:
I'm a store manager at phones 4u. All our galaxy s2 stock and in fact all our pay monthly stock handsets afe unlocked. We don't make much from selling the gs2 on pay as u go so we hold stock back for pay monthly as stock is limited. Selling it at a sim free price makes us about double the amount of money compared to payg. Btw anyone wanting a contract gs2 in London just let me know
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That justified his action but the thing I dont understand is why he told me the phone is locked on PAYG. Maybe he just want to push the sales for sim free but if P4u are not going to offer PAYG then they should've not put it in the advert. Anyway I just want to know whether is true or not that the phone is locked on PAYG.

100% unlocked whether bought on payg, simfree, or on pay monthly.
You could save yourself some money though and buy it o2 for £399. My one came locked but I got it unlocked for £15 and then I followed the guide someone else posted to debrand the handset. Total cost is 414 for the same thing and takes very little effort.
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Get it from Carphonewarehouse! They come unlocked. Mine came unlocked. And it was a contract phone! Got the sim card separately!

I ordered from O2 before they took down PAYG so now i'm waiting for delivery. But I bought another set from CPW too. Give it one to my GF.