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I've had my Hero since October. I've been reading these forums ever since I bought it. I keep reading about people switching from one rom to another, discussing battery life changes. Some people are stating they only have to charge their battery every two days, or get 16+ hours of heavy use on a charge. I'm on my 3rd rom, having tried Modaco, Fresh 1.0, and Fresh 1.1. I am now runnning Fresh 1.1 + Gumbo + SetCPU.
I work for Sprint. Advanced Tech Support. I work 13 hour days. I get to work, I turn off the mobile internet connection on my phone. I disable background data. In my SetCPU, I set it to powersave mode Min 245 Max 485. (Those might not be the exact numbers, at work can't check, but you get the idea.) After 13 1/2 hours, I go out and my battery is giving me the >15% remaining warning. I've maybe missed two calls and recieved 8 txts. On my off days, I wake up, take the phone off charge, and do a moderate amount of txting. I play a little music while im playing Xbox, maybe open the browser to check a game FAQ or walkthrough. Within about 3 hours of waking up I'm below 50%. If I'm planning on going to the bar to shoot pool I have to make sure my battery is fully charged, or if anyone is trying to get in touch with my I won't know cause I'm at the bar for 5+ hours txting and talking, and my phone will have died if not 100% charged. So...
I read that running Fresh 1.1+ Gumbo + SetCPU would greatly increase my battery life. Tried it. haven't noticed a change. I don't use task killers, I don't run apps, I think I've downloaded 9 apps from the market in 5 months. I use Shortcovers (Ebook reader). Dolphin browser, Handcent sms. Thats about it.
Is there a viable solution here? Does anyone have any troubleshooting steps to recommend, apps that might help, do a complete wipe and re-install Fresh and Gumbo? Change settings in CPU? I've been reading about Mugen and other batteries, any recommendations on which one would be best to try out? I love my phone, and I don't do anything to it without reading up on these forums first, just looking for any advice to not have to stay tethered to an AC outlet all day. Thanks.
fresh 1.1 + the less aggressive gumbo kernel will help alot. you don't need setcpu at all. i also recommend looking into a bigger extended battery, one that doesn't require the use of another back cover.
sirstanley said:
I've had my Hero since October.
I work for Sprint. Advanced Tech Support. I work 13 hour days. I get to work, I turn off the mobile internet connection on my phone. I disable background data. In my SetCPU,
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It really sounds like you have a background task that is running and not letting your phone sleep. I turn off mobile internet at night (so I don't get bugged with Tweets and other alerts) and my battery drops 3-4% overnight (7-8 hours while sleeping). What is your awake time?
On a full charge, I can go all day (7am - 10pm) and still have more than 30% left. I have 2 email accounts, each set to sync every 30 minutes, a twitter app set to sync every 15 minutes, and I don't use weather or location services. I think a lot of people experience poor battery life due to signal quality. I get really good signals at home and a fairly decent signal at work as long as I say out of the lower (basement) floors.
-Daryel
Here's my experience with my HTC Hero from H3G (Three) UK:
Had the phone for about 2 weeks now, battery lasts me easily 1 day with quite heavy use (30-60 min GPS, 2-3 hours browsing, installing programs, 30 min music, some texting and talking. I know that for some of you guys out there this might be 'light' usage, but I believe for all of this, battery life is quite good, better than my friends' Iphones. With moderate use i get through 2 days of usage. I am just experimenting with turning off Mobile Internet, have had the phone running for 60 hrs + and my battery is at 65%, I've been turning wifi on for a few minutes a couple of times and have been talking and moderate texting during this time. I intend to leave Mobile internet off until the battery runs out of power to see how much time I get out of it. I never turn the phone off at night. I am amazed what a big difference turning off Mobile Internet does.
The OP clearly states that he downloads / runs minimal apps, and asking a Sprint advanced tech if his phone is sleeping, while a nice gesture, isn't terribly practical. I hope.
I think that there are certain phones that don't scale with GCK or a change in the CPU governor very well. I have bounced around to every ROM available, flashed and reflashed, cleared boot and dalvik caches and played with about every governor / frequency setting imaginable. With all that, all I can conclude is that my personal phone does significantly worse when the governor isn't MSM7K and drains downright terrible under GCK's stripped governors on anything other than MSM7K. Even Powersave (which OP referenced) drains my phone significantly faster than MSM7K.
I'd recommend you keep your current GCK install and adjust SetCPU to MSM7K to min 245 max 480. Then enable Profiles > Sleep > min 160 max 245. For a bit more performance when your phone is awake slide your normal max to 528; add significant performance by sliding normal min to 480. See if that helps any.
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The OP clearly states that he downloads / runs minimal apps, and asking a Sprint advanced tech if his phone is sleeping, while a nice gesture, isn't terribly practical. I hope.
I think that there are certain phones that don't scale with GCK or a change in the CPU governor very well. I have bounced around to every ROM available, flashed and reflashed, cleared boot and dalvik caches and played with about every governor / frequency setting imaginable. With all that, all I can conclude is that my personal phone does significantly worse when the governor isn't MSM7K and drains downright terrible under GCK's stripped governors on anything other than MSM7K. Even Powersave (which OP referenced) drains my phone significantly faster than MSM7K.
I'd recommend you keep your current GCK install and adjust SetCPU to MSM7K to min 245 max 480. Then enable Profiles > Sleep > min 160 max 245. For a bit more performance when your phone is awake slide your normal max to 528; add significant performance by sliding normal min to 480. See if that helps any.
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Could just be the different experiences folks receive with the Hero but when I used SetCPU to create profiles, I saw much higher battery drain. Once again, may have just been my experience but battery runs much better without profiles on my device.
Thanks for the response. And yes, my phone does sleep. I checked Spare Parts, and my most used app is Lightning Bug (use it when I sleep at night. I live in the hood and it covers up the radios and dogs barking.) After that it's Shortcovers (my ebook reader.) and then Handcent. So no abnormal program activity. Lightning bug only runs while I sleep, shortcovers just when Im reading. So nothing keeping my phone awake or anything. I do have one of the first Heros, I pre-ordered and recieved it like October 10th, so it's not Google branded, if that makes a difference. I'm considering just getting another one, but after 5 months of flashing and moifying and tweaking I'm kinda attactched to my phone. I'd feel like I was trading in my wife. So I guess I'll just go for an after market battery. Any more advice would be great. Thanks again.
kbizzle said:
Could just be the different experiences folks receive with the Hero but when I used SetCPU to create profiles, I saw much higher battery drain. Once again, may have just been my experience but battery runs much better without profiles on my device.
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Personally I'm on Modaco 2.2. Pulled mocaco.sh and changed the governor from "performance" to "msm7k" and pushed it back to the phone. No compcache, but I did include the internal task killer call in compcache.sh. Read thru either the Modaco 2.2 thread or GCK if you need help.
I'm having the same results as you. I have a non-"with google" Hero200, and my battery life absolutely sucks.
Today, took it off the charger at about 10:30, now at 3:30 it was down to 20% battery.
this was leaving mobile data on and a few text messages.
How exactly do you choose how often you want email to sync? I tried finding that in the settings menu of the Gmail app, but there's nothing there about that, just signatures and such.
I am running gumbo 1.5c bare, so it's quick (no sense UI) but battery is just as bad as with sense.
I'm not running setCPU or anything, just gbhil's kernel (i think?)
I'm about ready to spring for an 1800 mAh battery
dangit
Hate to say it, but I'm glad im nota lone on this one. Misery loves company.
I'm gettin tired of reading about people claiming they get 2 days of moderate use out a hero without charging, with a stock battery. "Oh, with this new rom I just tried, after 12 hours I was below 50%, this is unacceptable, I can normally go 2 days without charging." WTF? Did they just build a choice few heros with super batteries? Just wondering.
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Hate to say it, but I'm glad im nota lone on this one. Misery loves company.
I'm gettin tired of reading about people claiming they get 2 days of moderate use out a hero without charging, with a stock battery. "Oh, with this new rom I just tried, after 12 hours I was below 50%, this is unacceptable, I can normally go 2 days without charging." WTF? Did they just build a choice few heros with super batteries? Just wondering.
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Lol, sorry man (I'm guessing you read my post at one point, 12 hours to 50%, it really did annoy me lol). I CAN get 2 days using Fresh 1.1, gumbo kernel, and SetCPU. Granted, I don't use my phone nearly as much as a lot of the people on here, but I also sit in areas with little to no service for most of my time, which can have a drastic effect on battery life.
rt1oo said:
I'm having the same results as you. I have a non-"with google" Hero200, and my battery life absolutely sucks.
Today, took it off the charger at about 10:30, now at 3:30 it was down to 20% battery.
this was leaving mobile data on and a few text messages.
How exactly do you choose how often you want email to sync? I tried finding that in the settings menu of the Gmail app, but there's nothing there about that, just signatures and such.
I am running gumbo 1.5c bare, so it's quick (no sense UI) but battery is just as bad as with sense.
I'm not running setCPU or anything, just gbhil's kernel (i think?)
I'm about ready to spring for an 1800 mAh battery
dangit
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OUCH. I unplugged mine at 9am, it's now nearly 4, and I'm only down to 80%. Had WiFi on all morning, and mobile on from noon on. Sent a dozen texts, and read a half dozen emails (syncs every 15 min). Mobile data SHOULD sleep when your phone goes to sleep, and I think it'll turn on when your accounts/email sync. Same thing with WiFi.
I'm amazed at the massive variation in battery life people have. I wonder if there were a few different manufacturers of batteries, and that's causing the problem.
But I cant even bring my phone into the building so it sits in my glovebox with all data services off and no apps running for 13 hours and its at ten percent when I get off work. I just don't get it. I think I'm gonna wipe, reflash Fresh 1.1, reflash Gumbo, and start over.
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But I cant even bring my phone into the building so it sits in my glovebox with all data services off and no apps running for 13 hours and its at ten percent when I get off work. I just don't get it. I think I'm gonna wipe, reflash Fresh 1.1, reflash Gumbo, and start over.
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Wow, it sounds more like something might be wrong with your battery.
I could turn everything off on mine, and leave it sit in an area with decent service, and probably get over 2 days out of it...so that just seems odd. Are you running SetCPU? That'll help. Set it at either 160 or 245 min, and 528 max. "On Demand" seems to be working the best for me. It'll basically drop your processor speed when the phone's asleep, and bring it back up when you need it.
daryelv said:
It really sounds like you have a background task that is running and not letting your phone sleep. I turn off mobile internet at night (so I don't get bugged with Tweets and other alerts) and my battery drops 3-4% overnight (7-8 hours while sleeping). What is your awake time?
On a full charge, I can go all day (7am - 10pm) and still have more than 30% left. I have 2 email accounts, each set to sync every 30 minutes, a twitter app set to sync every 15 minutes, and I don't use weather or location services. I think a lot of people experience poor battery life due to signal quality. I get really good signals at home and a fairly decent signal at work as long as I say out of the lower (basement) floors.
-Daryel
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+1 on this. While I understand you're a Sprint tech, it's still good to check the awake time, as it's a good indicator that something's awry. You said you run minimal apps, do you run any weather apps at all? Had some bad luck with those. Also, do you roam? I know setting it to Sprint Only helped me at home, and this is what you suggest to ppl everyday, so I'm not telling you anything, but some of the things we KNOW to be absolutely true can be wrong under our noses sometimes because we're so sure. Double check everything again.
I know it's painful to think of this as a viable solution, but there absolutely IS a way to determine if it's apps or not. I've had great luck with Fresh 1.1 AND Gumbo 1.5b. SetCPU and Gumbo Kernel made it even better.
Try this: Install either Gumbo or Fresh 1.1, the Gumbo Kernel, and setCPU (that one is optional for you I suppose, but I'd recommend it)
Don't install a single app or widget for the first day. Not a single one. Leave it for 24 hours, and see the battery life. (exceptions for apps that don't run in the background or connect for data or updates)
Then install them one by one until you find your culprit. This is how I found the weather widget was sucking the life out of my hero.
I too, have a non "with google" hero 200, and I have GREAT battery life, and even had great battery life on Fresh 1.1 when I had near 80 apps installed.
I'd bet money it's something in the background. I can speak a lot for Fresh 1.1 as I've used it the most. Great ROM, great battery life.
Btw, I also have two email accounts, one Exchange, one Gmail, BOTH set to "as items arrive" and I still can go from morning to bed on a charge with no probs.
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To echo Tatonka_hero, I also recommend doing the ondemand 528/245 as it worked really well for me. I got even better battery life when going that route than before, although I was never complaining about battery life in the first place.
my opinion.. it has to be something due to the signal strength.
I wonder if there is a way.. to check and monitor how often the phone looses tower contact? Then it has to try to find the next tower available, then has to bounce back to the closer one when it pops up? Is it constantly, jumping from one week signal to the next?
Which would keep the radio up and running... while the phone itself looks asleep.
Just me guessing.. with no Knowledge to base this off of.
I don't use any weather apps. A list of every app I have that didnt come with the phone:
Handcent
Shortcovers
Lightning Bug
Gensoid
GBCoid
Spare Parts
Terminal
ES File Explorer
SetCPU
I know you guys are really stuck on the idea that I'm running some intresting app, but I'm sorry to dissapoint. I wiped the phone, flashed Modaco, wiped, flashed Fresh 1.0, wiped, flashed Fresh 1.1, wiped, flashed gumbo. And then I re-downloaded the apps above. I work 7 days a week, I like to read Ebooks before I go to bed, I use lightning bug when I sleep, and if I'm riding with someone I play my emulators. Thats the story of my phone use. Also listen to music if I take a day off and im playing xbox. Theres nothing running in the background. I always have at lest 3-4 bars of signal strength. I turn off mobile network (data) when not using it. I keep my GPS off. I check Spare Parts, and everything in there is pretty much correct. My phones awake time is about 20%, if that. haven't checked in a couple days. So, tonight I'm gonna wipe, re-install Fresh 1.1, re-install Gumbo, and see if that helps at all. Is there any kind of consensus on the best settings for setCPU to save my battery?
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I don't use any weather apps. A list of every app I have that didnt come with the phone:
Handcent
Shortcovers
Lightning Bug
Gensoid
GBCoid
Spare Parts
Terminal
ES File Explorer
SetCPU
I know you guys are really stuck on the idea that I'm running some intresting app, but I'm sorry to dissapoint. I wiped the phone, flashed Modaco, wiped, flashed Fresh 1.0, wiped, flashed Fresh 1.1, wiped, flashed gumbo. And then I re-downloaded the apps above. I work 7 days a week, I like to read Ebooks before I go to bed, I use lightning bug when I sleep, and if I'm riding with someone I play my emulators. Thats the story of my phone use. Also listen to music if I take a day off and im playing xbox. Theres nothing running in the background. I always have at lest 3-4 bars of signal strength. I turn off mobile network (data) when not using it. I keep my GPS off. I check Spare Parts, and everything in there is pretty much correct. My phones awake time is about 20%, if that. haven't checked in a couple days. So, tonight I'm gonna wipe, re-install Fresh 1.1, re-install Gumbo, and see if that helps at all. Is there any kind of consensus on the best settings for setCPU to save my battery?
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Thanks for the detailed reply...it helps us get a better picture of your habits.
That being said, use the ondemand 528/245 and you should be just fine. Make sure to set it to save those settings on reboot too, because setCPU used to (not sure if it still does) set itself to performance mode on reboot otherwise which would definitely drain your battery.
alright this is probably a stupid question but how do i check awake time with spare parts? is it under battery history? then is it partial wake usage option?
And is Locale.apk known to be a battery hog...I feel like it might be...ouch.
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alright this is probably a stupid question but how do i check awake time with spare parts? is it under battery history? then is it partial wake usage option?
And is Locale.apk known to be a battery hog...I feel like it might be...ouch.
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It's just under Settings > About Phone > Status then all the way down
Today I decided to do a real world test of the Evo's battery life. I used my phone the way I would normally use it on an other day. As for the phone itself, I am running the rom from the OTA update. The only changes that have been made is that I am using unrevoked root method so that I can use the Overclock Widget (marketplace) to turn the processor freq down to 245000 when the screen is off. I also use Advanced Task Killer to turn off apps that I am not using. I had bluetooth and gps turned on throughout the entirety of this test, wifi was on for about 3.5 hours. During this test I played a game for a short period of time, did some light web browsing, and had several phone conversations that totalled a little more than 2 hours. With doing all this, my battery lasted for a little more than 11 hours. That being said, under normal use the Evo should definitely last you throughout a full day.
Thanks for the info. I got my Evo yesterday and haven't been able to put it to through extreme testing yet
No problem. just kind of got tired of hearing how poor the battery life was. Even before using the overclock widget I was still getting decent battery life, but the overclock widget just put it over the top. To add to that, I don't normally talk for 2 hrs. on my phone during a normal day, so really a lot of that 29% battery drain from phone use wouldn't be there. The only thing I didn't use today was 4g (which I don't normally use unless I'm on the phone and need to use data).
Not sure what this proves or "dispells". When people (myself included until making some friendstream changes) are getting 6 hours out of a charge with light use, that is a real problem. You must not have friendstream syncing...if you did and did everything you just wrote about, your phone would be dead in 3 hours tops. Thanks for the info., but once again, people are havnig real issues with the battery...it's not made up.
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Not sure what this proves or "dispells". When people (myself included until making some friendstream changes) are getting 6 hours out of a charge with light use, that is a real problem. You must not have friendstream syncing...if you did and did everything you just wrote about, your phone would be dead in 3 hours tops. Thanks for the info., but once again, people are havnig real issues with the battery...it's not made up.
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If you are experiencing poor battery life then it is most likely attributed to not managing your apps properly (friendstream included). For example, without advanced task killer you will get a drastically different amount of battery life than if you have it. Then add to that, the way you configure advanced task killer can add a large amount of battery life compared to having advanced task killer without it being configured properly. Even with friendstream running you should still be able to get a decent amount of battery life (I am aware that it does use more juice), try having your facebook sync less often.
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If you are experiencing poor battery life then it is most likely attributed to not managing your apps properly (friendstream included). For example, without advanced task killer you will get a drastically different amount of battery life than if you have it. Then add to that, the way you configure advanced task killer can add a large amount of battery life compared to having advanced task killer without it being configured properly. Even with friendstream running you should still be able to get a decent amount of battery life (I am aware that it does use more juice), try having your facebook sync less often.
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I totally agree I've been using my evo and been fine, I only really have it connected to power when I have it tethering. Besides that it lasts me not all day but while I'm at work (which is the most important part) I get a good 9-10 hours out of it before I really need to charge. It should also be noted that I use locale to switch BT and wifi off when I'm not in an area to take advantage of them.
I think some people have bad batterys/evo's, it's not just a matter of running the right programs or killing tasks
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I think some people have bad batterys/evo's, it's not just a matter of running the right programs or killing tasks
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While that is possible I think the majority of the problem rests with the user's mismanagement of apps. I have seen way to many posts from people declaring the battery life to be so horrible, only to make a few changes and then turn around and say how much better it got. If that person had a bad battery then the battery would still have been bad, it wouldn't just start being good. That said, it is very possible that there are people with bad batteries. I just think that most of the people have good batteries and bad phone management.
I did pretty much the same thing. I have the O/C widget to set the frequency to 245000 when the screen is off and also have Advance Task Manager configured to close apps I'm not using. Helps out a lot and I usually get around 12~14 hours on a charge.
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If you are experiencing poor battery life then it is most likely attributed to not managing your apps properly (friendstream included). For example, without advanced task killer you will get a drastically different amount of battery life than if you have it. Then add to that, the way you configure advanced task killer can add a large amount of battery life compared to having advanced task killer without it being configured properly. Even with friendstream running you should still be able to get a decent amount of battery life (I am aware that it does use more juice), try having your facebook sync less often.
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While I completely understand what you are saying, I can't really agree that b/c someone is not getting a full day out of their phone it is b/c of poor app management. While deleting facebook for sense, then reinstalling with only contacts synced fixed everything for me, the fact that you have to go through the phone with a fine tooth comb to get it to run more than 6 hours at a time is pretty silly. While doing that stuff is fine for me and most on this forum, it will undoubtedly turn a lot of non-techie people off from this phone...especially with Sprint doing their new 30 day full refund policy.
It's all good though, just plugged my phone in after 19 hours...playing with it most of the day.
I use advanced task killer and turned off sync for apps I dont use. At 65% used pandora (in 4g for about an hour), browsed several sites, made phone calls, text, emailed. All the normal stuff. Took my phone off the charger 15 hours ago.
Prior to using advanced task killer I would be to about 18% right now. So for those saying that task managers kill more battery power my phone seems to do the exact opposite.
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I use advanced task killer and turned off sync for apps I dont use. At 65% used pandora (in 4g for about an hour), browsed several sites, made phone calls, text, emailed. All the normal stuff. Took my phone off the charger 15 hours ago.
Prior to using advanced task killer I would be to about 18% right now. So for those saying that task managers kill more battery power my phone seems to do the exact opposite.
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Task killers really only help if you have an app that would normally be giving you higher than usual wake time (the calendar comes to mind). At the start of every boot I always make sure to kill everything so only essential apps and those I use are running. I don't use any kind of auto kill.
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It is no longer recommended that a task killer be used. It may result in poor phone performance.
After i rooted with Toasts method, installed OMJ's rom removing all of the sprintware and added the OverClockWidget to tweak the processor, i was able to go a full 32 hours without charging. i had gps and bluetooth on the whole time and wifi on for several hours. i made calls, sent texts, took pictures, basically normal usage.
Just to add to all this. Bad battery isnt just a HTC Evo problem. Go read the forums of almost every android phone released and they all report the same things (in the beginning). Someone that has had a android phone in the past probably hasnt said much about battery. There are so many things you can do to increase battery.
1. manage your apps. Exit them instead of leaving them running (press back button until the app closes, or some apps you can Menu> exit) Pressing home doesnt close the app, it only takes you to the homescreen. Also change the sync times of all your apps/widgets. If you dont use gmail or google calendar, then uncheck the "sync" in Menu>accounts & sync> google. One last thing use a task manager (not recommended by some devs) I use it to end tasks of apps that use data, or ones that i use maybe once a day or once a week, i dont need them cached for quick returning, so i end the task all together. I ignore apps so they dont end that i use very frequently or ones that dont use data or run in the background.
2. Calibrate your battery once like so.. Charge your phone to 100% and then use your phone like normal until its so dead it shuts off by itself. Dont plug it into the computer or wall charger in that time. Then once it shuts off, plug the phone into a wall charger and charge it till its 100% again. After that, plug and play as much as you want.
3. Buy a car charger, usb cord for the comp, and maybe another wall charger. Buy an extra battery or extended battery. Doing the above and adding these to them, youll have a huge increase in battery.
I have an htc hero and i can get well over 12 hours of use by just watching what syncs and what uses data. And i use my phone alot, and wake it up a ton to check for notifications.
I use a friends Evo so im not new to the device and I understand its a different phone.
Stock htc phones come with a lot of stuff preinstalled and widgets. When signing into them with your accounts the sync times are usually pretty high, some like every 15mins. Watch what you are doing with the phone and youll have normal battery life.
i avg 18 -19 hours per charge so im very happy
aaaaah ok now I know who is the idiot Dylan here. Thanks. What a dumbass know-it-all.
I think some people are getting poor battery life because intermittent signal. I know this was the case for me. When I go to a friends house that I barely have signal, the phone constantly tries to find signal or goes into roaming. It would drain the battery fast. When I was in good signal area it seemed to last quite a while. Just saying that it is more than just running apps that cause poor battery.
Also if you will not use the internet turn off the mobile network, put the widget in your screen. You can receive calls but the internet is off.
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I think some people are getting poor battery life because intermittent signal. I know this was the case for me. When I go to a friends house that I barely have signal, the phone constantly tries to find signal or goes into roaming. It would drain the battery fast. When I was in good signal area it seemed to last quite a while. Just saying that it is more than just running apps that cause poor battery.
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You make a very good point. Weak/no signal areas will drain your battery (as with any phone) very quickly due to the phone constantly scanning for signal. Not really much you can due about that other than turning your phone radio off or switching carriers lol. One thing I've read in the Dev forum that may help you is to change your prl to the Alltell/Verizon prl. Some people have reported that this works well in low signal areas.
So i noticed on my stock battery i get about 10 hours of battery life, when im really not even using it at all besides checking it on my breaks or lunch. For instance i had a full charge at 4:07 pm , disconnected and now have a 70percent charge at 5:44..? really WTF is going on with this phone..? I havent done **** on it but browse. I even bought the verizon extended battery and that thing doesnt last as long as i thought, it dies down in about 8-10 hours tops as well.. Is there something im missing here?
I dont run gps often and neither wifi or bluetooth. Just texting and getting online every now and then....
i do have advanced task manager and do notice almost every program running all the time although i kill it when the programs when i jump on my phone....is this normal? wtf is going on with this thing?
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So i noticed on my stock battery i get about 10 hours of battery life, when im really not even using it at all besides checking it on my breaks or lunch. For instance i had a full charge at 4:07 pm , disconnected and now have a 70percent charge at 5:44..? really WTF is going on with this phone..? I havent done **** on it but browse. I even bought the verizon extended battery and that thing doesnt last as long as i thought, it dies down in about 8-10 hours tops as well.. Is there something im missing here?
I dont run gps often and neither wifi or bluetooth. Just texting and getting online every now and then....
i do have advanced task manager and do notice almost every program running all the time although i kill it when the programs when i jump on my phone....is this normal? wtf is going on with this thing?
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Check for things updating frequently like twitter. Also don't kill them apps they will restart using battery to start it. Just let them run, they actually hibernate till needed.. don't close them.. that's probably killing your battery.
There is a lot of bloat ware that runs in back ground unless you root and uninstall. That is the one think I hate about these phones. I wish I could uninstall the bloat ware with out rooting. Anyway download advanced task killer and set it to kill programs whenever screen is blank. It will save some battery life. I get a day out of mine easy and I talk for at least an hour text at least 20+ a day, have it auto check every 5 min for 2 emails and have quite a few widgets running and surf at least 10 minutes...
I was really hating the battery at first. So much that I bought two non oem batteries from ebay. However, since I rooted AND loaded leaked froyo AND loaded deodexed, re rooted froyo leak through koush's recovery, I am getting through the day with 30% or more when I plug back in at night. The only extra charge is in the car dock for 30 minutes on my ride home from work. Try those steps, and rename bloat. Get rid of atk. I get much better battery life without it.
Just my experience, hopefully you figure it out. I'm a fairly heavy user and love this device.
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Is your non oem batts not draining to 10% and lasting like its 50% still??? I have those ones from hong kong!
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I have had battery issues in the past. Now I am making it through the day comfortably. I am at 12 hours and 45 minutes and have 40% battery left. That is with wifi on all day. I am not using any task killers. All I did was calibrate the battery. Here is the link I used and it works great. DO NOT DO THE VARIATION. IT DIDN'T WORK FOR ME. Do the long version.
http://www.goodandevo.net/2010/08/h...ry-and-possibly-double-your-battery-life.html.
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Also those china batts go to 10 percent in about 5 hrs but last for another 5...its odd but they are my backups anyway.
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Look. The real issues are simple, the display is quite large and pulls more backlight than it needs. Not only that, but the CPU pulls more power than it needs too. I turned off automatic backlight and set it to the lowest setting. I rooted my phone and use setCPU in order to scale back the processor when it's not needed.
Also, web browsing on a 3G network is much more energy consuming. It's just a fact.
As for the apps, they activate because you have widgets on your home screen. If you want to reduce the running programs, replace unneeded widgets with shortcuts. The less programs running, the less power needed for RAM and CPU function.
What do I get in return for all of my modifications? I can use my phone for about 2 days without having to charge.
I can easily go 48 hours on my extended battery with the right settings... YEs this is with 3G on all of the time.
SetCPU is underclocking or "ON DEMAND", I have deleted most apps that come with the phone that one would never use, backlight is on low usually...
If you are sure that you have all of these settings set and still aren't seeing improvement, go to verizon and have them replace your batt.....
I can go 48 hours on the extended battery and I'm not using SetCPU and I typically leave the screen on auto brightness (though I guess I occasionally turn it down).
Yesterday's usage:
Unplugged the phone around 7:30am. Read emails for about 20 minutes in the morning, checked the weather. Listened to some music on my bluetooth headphones on the way to work, maybe 30 minutes. Started up Appbrain on the phone and downloaded/installed the apps over 3G. At lunch, I listened to more music on the way home, browsed the internet for maybe another 30 minutes while I ate, and listened to music on the way back (all bluetooth).
Showed a few coworkers some of my apps, so another 20 minutes or so with the screen on. Occasional email/text throughout the rest of the day.
At home, I sporadically pick up the phone and browse the internet/read emails/send texts. Easily a solid hour+ of browsing. Played a couple games and downloaded a couple more apps.
When I went to bed and plugged the phone in, around 11pm, my battery was at 50%.
More information about my phone:
- The only radio I toggle on and off is Wifi. Everything else stays on all the time. Wifi goes on when I get home.
- Widgets that update themselves are: a calendar widget, a Google Tasks widget, a sports score widget and a weather widget. All widgets with configurable timers are set to update in 30 minute intervals.
- I have ATK installed but only to let me manually kill processes, it has no auto killing intervals set.
- I am running Launcher Pro Plus. Before I installed LPP, I cleared off my entire Blur desktop - there is nothing on it.
- I am rooted and have removed most of the common bloatware - nothing crazy, just the things like CityID, Amazon apps, Blockbuster, etc.
Hope that information helps someone.
Speaking of extended battery and long life, I just got 34 hours out of mine and it was only down to 30%.
I'm using Juice Defender, toggling data for 2m every 15m AND completely shutting off data when I sleep, 1a-7a.
I don't have a lot of background updating apps either, that seems to be a big thing. After figuring out what works and what doesn't regarding battery life, I can use my phone as I please and not worry about batt life.
This thread is crazy my battery last all day and im on the internet atleast 4 hours a day and receive and make multiple phone calls, and text and stuff [email protected] 12.5 hours with 60% of battery left. I did condition the battery when i first got the phone i let it fully discharge 5 times
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Wow 34!
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he said "****"....lol....
Bought the 1750mah extended battery. First 6 days the battery didn't last that long but the instructions did say do 8 full charges which last about 7-8 hours. I did that and over the weekend I saw awesome battery life.
Unplugged at 8am. At 10 pm I was at 40% life. That was with some light web browsing, book reading.
One thing that makes a HUGE difference. Are you in a constant 3g area? If your phone drops to 2g/1g and it can't find a signal, it will burn through your battery like crazy.
My work building is a verizon void and I get virtually no signal. I get in at 7am. By the time I leave at 4 pm, I'm down to 15% battery. I do not use a task killer. I keep my screens to a minimum. The only thing that updates are facebook posts and beautiful widget which updates every 3 hours. I use the smart battery profile.
Don't you a task killer they kill your battery faster. This is not a windows phone, its based off of linix. applications don't stay running in the background, they hibernate so there not using a lot of resources. when you kill them there just going to restart all at the same time, which slows your phone down, and kills your battery. I was getting about 11 hours on one charge using a task killer, now using it more im getting at-least 14-15 hours. plus if you have your task killer set to high it will randomly reboot your phone, even when your using it....
I dropped my task killer and my battery life is now better. I've had my X off the charger for 6 hours and only recently got to 80%.
My battery life is amazing. I left for work around 6 am yesterday with 100%. Through out the day I talk for about 2 hours, used the internet for about 3 hours straight, listed to music for 1 hour, pandora for 1 hour, and navigation for almost an hour. My battery was at 20% at 11 pm.
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I have noticed a huge improvement in battery after installing leaked froyo. No task killer here but I do have watchdog installed. Haven't had it activate yet though. No widgets on blur screens and running launcherpro. Love this phone with froyo. Would have returned it otherwise.
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I get 38 hrs out of my oem and 48 hrs out of my extended battery. I do have Tranquilty rom on the phone with no blur at all.I keep my sync off and just manually sync for my emails and i have no widgets besides the wheather genie set to refresh every 6 hrs.Im on the cell alot too.So i am very pleased with my battery life .
Battery drAin last night 10% and alarm didnt sound.
Now have 5%, and drain 1% each 3 or 4 min, its amazing... (mode ironic off).
What can I do?
No wifi or data plan activated, only phone in 3g mode...
Download TaskKiller from the market and kill any task you aint using. Then fully charge and keep the memuse low
friscoltu959 said:
Battery drAin last night 10% and alarm didnt sound.
Now have 5%, and drain 1% each 3 or 4 min, its amazing... (mode ironic off).
What can I do?
No wifi or data plan activated, only phone in 3g mode...
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weird as I'm using the same setup as you are, only 3G activated and my battery goes 16 hours with 93% left.
Till today with an hour and a half of game play, my battery went to 49% after 36 hours unplugged.
The battery is amazing, you just need yo restart and check what's activating in background
Do you have whatsapp running?
I'm not using any task killers by the way
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Task killers are not good for what you are talking about here. Don't just sit there kill every task you see. That could actually hurt your battery performance because the kernel will just start those apps and processes right back up again taking cycles from the cpu, and juice from your battery
Besides, Gingerbread has it's own task killer, so why clutter your system with more unnecessary apps?
What you need to do is open your battery stats and find what exactly is running and destroying your battery. Im most certain its only one thing, and just stop that one process.
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I have new experiences. Let´s go...
23:00 - 00:00: Only wifi turn on. Twitter, facebook, playing snes emulator, also fpse psx emulator. My baterry drain 60% to 50%.
00:00: All radios turn off. Very impressed 23:00 to 00:00 because only 10% of battery usage on heavy mobile working. Let´s see what happened when I go to bed.
00:00 - 7:30: With 50% of battery, alarm don´t sound because ALL BATTERY HAVE DISSAPEARED, in other words, 0% of battery. Seven hours after, with all radios off (airplane mode on), xperia in inactive mode, and don´t have battery. I´m really disapointed, scared, angry,...
CONCLUSIONS:
If I turn mobile to inactive, each 5 minutes, 1% of battery drain. With 50% and 7:30 hours of inactivity, no batery to my xperia.
So please.
What Can I do? Love this phone is my second android (i´m bored using iphone), but this unnormal draining of my battery, scares me. I can´t complete faith with xperia.
One more thing.
Before goint to sleep I´ve installed Go launcher, and no plugins because this problem happens to me since first day, and want to be secure not was my fault.
Please help me
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I have new experiences. Let´s go...
23:00 - 00:00: Only wifi turn on. Twitter, facebook, playing snes emulator, also fpse psx emulator. My baterry drain 60% to 50%.
00:00: All radios turn off. Very impressed 23:00 to 00:00 because only 10% of battery usage on heavy mobile working. Let´s see what happened when I go to bed.
00:00 - 7:30: With 50% of battery, alarm don´t sound because ALL BATTERY HAVE DISSAPEARED, in other words, 0% of battery. Seven hours after, with all radios off (airplane mode on), xperia in inactive mode, and don´t have battery. I´m really disapointed, scared, angry,...
CONCLUSIONS:
If I turn mobile to inactive, each 5 minutes, 1% of battery drain. With 50% and 7:30 hours of inactivity, no batery to my xperia.
So please.
What Can I do? Love this phone is my second android (i´m bored using iphone), but this unnormal draining of my battery, scares me. I can´t complete faith with xperia.
One more thing.
Before goint to sleep I´ve installed Go launcher, and no plugins because this problem happens to me since first day, and want to be secure not was my fault.
Please help me
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there are several causes to this
It could be an application running wildly in background
Or
Your battery is defective
I recommend you re-installing your firmware and note the applications you use
Avoid task killers and any app that updates itself every 10 minutes or so ( Facebook twitter.. etc ) let them update every couple of hours or manually
The battery in Xperia play is amazing so it's sad what's happening with you
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I solved problem, and really impressed with battery performance.
Have 80% with all day wifi on, playing emulators, and using whatsupp, gmail...
What i do:
Task Manager de Rhythm Software = close apps when turn off screen.
SystemPanel App - Task Manager = cpu usage, close apps
MySettings app
Im using Power control plus, and deleted Extended Control Plus.
My battery now, is better than other smartphones like defy or nexus, which I´ve tried.
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Besides, Gingerbread has it's own task killer, so why clutter your system with more unnecessary apps?
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where is this? i dont see?
Settings then applications then manage applications.
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Then you will see 4 tabs on the top. Select "running"
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Then you will see 4 tabs on the top. Select "running"
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Sorry forgot that. Cheers.
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Settings then applications then manage applications.
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no that is different, that is running services not running apps. Samsung has a default task killer on their phones, which is very good and shows actual running apps and allows you to kill them. i used to have it on my galaxy s i miss it.
there is only one app i have found on the market that works in the same way, that is; Active Apps. all other task killers are a load of **** and really do nothing.
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no that is different, that is running services not running apps. Samsung has a default task killer on their phones, which is very good and shows actual running apps and allows you to kill them. i used to have it on my galaxy s i miss it.
there is only one app i have found on the market that works in the same way, that is; Active Apps. all other task killers are a load of **** and really do nothing.
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You mean the task manager with the galaxy s one when you hold the menu button? That is useful but must admit never needed to use it. I prefer to restart the phone.
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You mean the task manager with the galaxy s one when you hold the menu button? That is useful but must admit never needed to use it. I prefer to restart the phone.
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well you dont have to hold down the home button to access it. you download it through samsung apps and can use it like a normal app. dont know about you, but i found it very useful and used it very often. for example; when you quit the web browser, it never really closes. go into samsung task killer and you can see it running and can stop it and close it FULLY from there. again, any app you use the "home button" to exit out off, will remain running in the background. i always used the samsung task killer to end these apps properly.
the only other app, as i've said, that works like this is Active Apps. all other task killers are such of load of ****.
I have gotten as much as 7 hours straight gameplay out of this device !
So battery life is exellent just kill tasks that are un-needed. ( f.e. google maps , media server , etc...)
As for standby mode I can squeeze in 2 days I guess
Still playing to much so kinda hard to confirm
Battery life is excellent for me.
I started yesterday on 100%.
- Took it in the bathroom and watched some youtube while i had my bath (ye ye i know !)
- Played 1-2 hours worth of gaming
- Phone went on standby for another 2-3 hours while i went out, did some shopping and some random texting
- Came home had another 1 hour roughly gaming and web surfing
- Text some more to say i'm going round my mates house to watch the boxing
- Spent 4-5 hours up my mates house, showing him the phone, google earth, streetview, maps, emulators, games, everything
- Came home late at night, left my phone on the floor OFF from charge and woke up this morning with 7% battery power left.
Considering how much i used it, i think that's dam good.
Same battery problem here too. Recieved at 10am. Charged by 1pm, dead at 10pm with little use really. Some downloading, browsing, few texts and 30 secs of phone calls.
Advanced task killer seems to have done nothing. Any tips guys, defective battery maybe?
try active apps.
advance task killer, task killer advance, yada yada yada are all full of ****.
also put a shortcut for "Running Services" on your homescreen. periodly check this to end services like "get games" or "Event management" or "TimeScape" or "Google Maps", etc.
Zub7 said:
try active apps.
advance task killer, task killer advance, yada yada yada are all full of ****.
also put a shortcut for "Running Services" on your homescreen. periodly check this to end services like "get games" or "Event management" or "TimeScape" or "Google Maps", etc.
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Tried that, active apps isn't showing any apps that are using any cpu time at all, just the same stuff advanced task killer shows for using ram, which i continually kill. This is with all signals barring normal signal turned off, i'm getting a 1% drain every 10 mins at the moment.
The battery monitor is showing cell standby, phone idle and display as the main things eating the battery. Will give it until the end of the day then call orange for a new battery as there's obviously something wrong here.
fishbow, I recommended you hard reset, because me happens same thing.
I discovered extended controls was my problem.
In your case, maybe anything.
Hiya,
Ever since I got my phone replacement (Brand New in Box from Bell) I noticed that the battery drains 10% per hour regardless of my current clock speeds.
I'm only listening my music.
My mobile data is on.
Wifi is off.
I have ES Task Manager set to autokill when screen off
Details:
ROM- CyanogenMod Nightly #140
CPU Clock speeds- 245~368 Mhz
CPU Governer- ON DEMAND
VM Heap Size- 48m
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Just making sure I'm reading you right, you have es task manager killing apps? Android 2.2 doesn't have any need for that, and it may hurt your battery life.
First thing to check is to make sure any apps that sync (weather) aren't syncing every 15min, and change them to every few hours. If that still doesn't work, try a different battery. May just have a bad one.
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Go into spare parts > battery history > partial wake usage
This will show apps that are running in the background that are using the battery. If there are any 'rogue' apps that aren't behaving properly, this should show it. You can also use Watchdog Lite from the Market (free) to monitor CPU usage of applications to try and find what is running down your battery.
Although, if you are listening to music, 10% drain per hour doesn't sound too much out of the ordinary.
Update: I stopped my music for roughly 45 minutes and it seems that music doesn't affect it much. It still drains.
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Update: One application that was leeching my battery was actually "Friendcaster". Removed.
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Also mobile data with automatic syncing rapes battery
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Update: One application that was leeching my battery was actually "Friendcaster". Removed.
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Yea good call. And get rid of that task killer! No need for that, especially in CM7.
Having similar problems suddenly. I was getting nearly 24 hours of battery life with normal usage, but in the last 4-5 days the phone drains to death while in standby. Searched here and online and couldn't find anything other than the normal check apps, etc. But I haven't changed anything in months, and usage isn't showing anything out of the ordinary.
Is it possible my battery is hosed? Android OS says battery health is still "good", and outside of screen-off it seems to drain normally. I even left it on for about 30 minutes and lost 1%. But overnight it went from 100% to 1% in just short of 7 hours with absolutely no use. So bizarre...
http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/2710?tstart=0
It's not just you.
I have same problem, with two different batteries, even after hard reset.
I have been having this problem the last two days as well. The t-mobile forum says to roll back the updates to the google maps app. I just rolled it back, will see if it helps.
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I have been having this problem the last two days as well. The t-mobile forum says to roll back the updates to the google maps app. I just rolled it back, will see if it helps.
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Didn't help me.
Only turning on airplane mode helped me.
I think it's a TMO infrastructure/network problem of some sort, honestly. Maybe a bug with the deployment of 2.3?
Yeah didn't help me either.
I had my phone fully charged when i made the post earlier and it is now dead.
Hopefully they shed some light on this soon.
OK good I'm not crazy
One thing I noticed last night after draining and wiping battery stats again is when I woke up it said Dialer took up 49% of the battery usage? I charged to full with the phone off, turned it on and it sat on the nightstand until this morning. Received 2 texts during that time, no phone calls made or received, and my alarm is set at 6am on it and went off. Battery went from 100% to 19% in this state.
This is frustrating. I read the T-Mo thread and it's seeming more like network issues? Anyone else have this problem here on XDA?
EDIT: Customer Support is useless. Insistent that forum posts "mean nothing" and I need to pay them $20 to replace the phone. Also they have no logged issues on this, even though I've seen multiple posts of people who've called in. Sigh.
Also been experiencing the exact same problem with CM13X and CM151. I had uninstalled maps, which didn't improve anything, so I reinstalled it and it appears to be okay now
So far 1h16m since full charge after uninstalling Maps completely and rebooting and clearing cache, and battery is still 100% while sitting on my desk here at work. Also Dialer isn't showing 50% usage either. Hmmm.