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Ok so I read a post that said drain your battery completely for better performance so i did.Got low bat warning and played Avatar to kill it quick.Only it didnt die fast,seemed like forever for this damn thing to really die!!!Maybe I just imagined it so I tried it again.Got low bat warning and watched a 25 min youtube vid followed by a 16 min youtube vid and several rap videos before it cut off.Try it and see how long it takes to really run out of juice and I think youll be surprised
I remembered with my G1, that once i got the low battery warning, I was always able to milk every ounce of power from that battery.
after picking up my vibrant yesterday, i charged to a full 100% with the phone turned off
i've been on it all day long, installing apps and restarting quite frequently, and i just got my first battery warning (21%)
will probably run it into the ground after work for another full cycle charge then just charge whenever it needs it. seems to have more than enough to make through a full day, and i'm only saying this because i haven't been able to put it down since this morning and it's still ticking
edit: and this is all done indoors with fluctuating 3g/2g coverage (home and work)
I have twice run my battery into the ground and charged to 100% with the phone off. Now I am getting a little over 25 hours on a single charge. this battery is indeed better than they said it was.
ardchoille said:
I have twice run my battery into the ground and charged to 100% with the phone off. Now I am getting a little over 25 hours on a single charge. this battery is indeed better than they said it was.
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Better than what?
If coming from an old WM, sure, it's better.
But coming from an iPhone, which lasted for 2 days with real use, the battery of the Vibrant sucks.
With moderate use, I can's get through a full day (14-16 hours). It's the one real problem I have with this otherwise great phone.
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But coming from an iPhone, which lasted for 2 days with real use, the battery of the Vibrant sucks.
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3GS or 4? cause the battery on anything before that was abysmal.
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3GS or 4? cause the battery on anything before that was abysmal.
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I had two 3Gs (now have a Galaxy S and a Vibrant). It lasted almost double what the Vibrant does, with similar use.
Love the screen of the Samsung, but the battery is making me a little depressed. I am hoping that Froyo will improve it a bit.
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I had two 3Gs (now have a Galaxy S and a Vibrant). It lasted almost double what the Vibrant does, with similar use.
Love the screen of the Samsung, but the battery is making me a little depressed. I am hoping that Froyo will improve it a bit.
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yeah, hopefully drops sometime soon.
it seems battery life is either really good or really poor, not a lot of middle ground. of course, this could mostly be because of different peoples' opinions. but i'm coming from a dumbphone i only had to charge once a week, and so far i'm pretty impressed. like i mentioned earlier, i've been on this thing non-stop since this morning, and it's just now flashing the battery symbol at me. i imagine once i go through a couple of full cycles, and the new toy factor wears off, it will be a non-issue (for me)
what is your real world usage like?
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I had two 3Gs (now have a Galaxy S and a Vibrant). It lasted almost double what the Vibrant does, with similar use.
Love the screen of the Samsung, but the battery is making me a little depressed. I am hoping that Froyo will improve it a bit.
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Why not just buy some extra batteries? I picked up 3 extra batteries for when I fly so I can watch movies with no worries...
I get great battery life on my Vibrant. Make sure you turn off everything that you don't need....wifi, gps, keep screen brightness low and not on 100% at all times etc...obvious stuff....
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what is your real world usage like?
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Just checking email and talking for maybe 30-60 minutes, plus a few texts.
iunlock said:
Why not just buy some extra batteries? I picked up 3 extra batteries for when I fly so I can watch movies with no worries...
I get great battery life on my Vibrant. Make sure you turn off everything that you don't need....wifi, gps, keep screen brightness low and not on 100% at all times etc...obvious stuff....
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Man, I have turned the brightness down to below stock, and I do have two extra batteries. But that's kind of like going back to my WM days.
After the getting spoiled on the iPhone, which would last for almost two full days with everything running, and with similar use, I really hate having to constantly think about the battery, and worry that it's going to die on me.
True story:
Someone hit my car a few days ago and I tried to take a pic with my Vibrant. It was in late afternoon, so the battery was at 15% I guess -- so the phone effectively told me to "F*** Off." Or at least that's how I took it No pic, of course.
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Just checking email and talking for maybe 30-60 minutes, plus a few texts.
Man, I have turned the brightness down to below stock, and I do have two extra batteries. But that's kind of like going back to my WM days.
After the getting spoiled on the iPhone, which would last for almost two full days with everything running, and with similar use, I really hate having to constantly think about the battery, and worry that it's going to die on me.
True story:
Someone hit my car a few days ago and I tried to take a pic with my Vibrant. It was in late afternoon, so the battery was at 15% I guess -- so the phone effectively told me to "F*** Off." Or at least that's how I took it No pic, of course.
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I hear where you're coming from...have you tried switching out the battery to a different one? I know that some of the batteries were faulty and gave people horrible battery life.
The iPhone also ran at a much slower clock speed and it was equipped with a pretty good battery. There's no denying the awesomeness of the iPhone battery...I'm just thinking that you may have a bad battery. Try changing it out.
There's also a 2800mAh battery pack coming out very soon....it may suit your wants and needs...
The iPhone also lacks widgets and multitasking - and the screen is not as bright so those all help in maintaining battery life.
If you crippled your android in the same way - you could get 2 days pretty easily as well.
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The iPhone also lacks widgets and multitasking - and the screen is not as bright so those all help in maintaining battery life.
If you crippled your android in the same way - you could get 2 days pretty easily as well.
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Very true...
It's like a Geo Metro vs. Ferrari ...hypothetically, if they had the same size gas tank which one would consume more gas and run out faster? It's obvious...
iunlock said:
Very true...
It's like a Geo Metro vs. Ferrari ...hypothetically, if they had the same size gas tank which one would consume more gas and run out faster? It's obvious...
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Come on now....
I have both, and they both have their good points and bad points.
The battery is a bad point for the Vibrant.
The screen is the best point (it's actually not "brighter", but has much better contrast than a backlit LCD). I keep the Vibrant's screen at it's lowest brightness, anyway.
But in terms of speed, there is really not much difference in daily use - if anything, the iPhone 3Gs feels a little smoother much of the time. Again something Froyo might improve.
My well conditioned battery is at 5%, after 16hrs 54 min., with very light non-call use today (calls are at 49 min. 26 sec.).
My point is, that I have to expect more after using the iPhone, while some here are obviously happy with it. But it ain't great.
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Come on now....
I have both, and they both have their good points and bad points.
The battery is a bad point for the Vibrant.
The screen is the best point (it's actually not "brighter", but has much better contrast than a backlit LCD). I keep the Vibrant's screen at it's lowest brightness, anyway.
But in terms of speed, there is really not much difference in daily use - if anything, the iPhone 3Gs feels a little smoother much of the time. Again something Froyo might improve.
My well conditioned battery is at 5%, after 16hrs 54 min., with very light non-call use today (calls are at 49 min. 26 sec.).
My point is, that I have to expect more after using the iPhone, while some here are obviously happy with it. But it ain't great.
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Something is wrong with your battery if that's all you're getting.
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Something is wrong with your battery if that's all you're getting.
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We get five to six hours of display on with this phone. That number is perfect if the phone was on 35% precent or more of those 16 hours.
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It's ALL about the apps you use.
My battery life is pretty good, I can go two days with moderate phone use and my normal heavy-e-mail and occasional messaging usage. I don't do much web browsing with it, but I fiddle with it constantly throughout the day.
My friend couldn't get through one day on his, so I encouraged him to play around with some of the apps he had that I didn't, and now he can get well into day two before it gets low enough he wants to recharge.
My wife complained about her battery life, and I realized she was pinging four e-mail accounts once per minute. Just cutting that back to a five minute interval made a huge difference.
Even so, I've ordered spare batteries and a charger since I travel often and a missed call could cost me a lot of money, and they're too cheap to not keep a few around. (In one of those other threads somebody linked to an ebay deal with two batteries and a charger for 8 bucks.)
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or he's got a bunch of widgets.
That's almost universally a theme when people complain about Android battery usage.
Got my replacement Vibrant yesterday afternoon, charged it full while turned off and took it out at around 9pm. Worked on it a little last night and today installing apps browsing and about 60 min talk time so far.... 3PM and still got 30% left.
Definitely much better battery life than the one I had on first phone. I did get a replacement battery as well, but haven't tested that one yet. This one so far is working as expected.
I haven't rooted yet so I am not sure if that and lag fix has any affect on the battery.
Also ATK is not installed yet, and i hear it has adverse affect on battery. Is that true?
what do you guys see on the battery code?
G7, G8 or G9?
These numbers dont look encouraging at all. Hopefully this 3g power drain isnt all hardware and can be fixed up in software...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3891/samsung-epic-4g-review-the-fastest-android-phone/8
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These numbers dont look encouraging at all. Hopefully this 3g power drain isnt all hardware and can be fixed up in software...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3891/samsung-epic-4g-review-the-fastest-android-phone/8
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Mine is just fine. gets me through a full 8 hour work day and then some. Its right there with the evo and other android devices. Want better battery life?, unferclock it like iphone 4.
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Mine is just fine. gets me through a full 8 hour work day and then some. Quit trolling.
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Well mine just sucks as does the gps. My wife and kid was lost yesterday and the nav/gps would not work. Screw this piece of chit.
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Battery life does suck. Can't do anything on the phone for fear of the battery crapping out.
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Not sure what you are expecting as far as battery life but I have spent hours doing everything from GPS to downloading apps from wi fi and I get about a good 7 - 8 hours. No problems here.
Battery life threads bother me.
You ask your phone to do everything but wipe your rear end. It does more than Apple ever thought about, and we demand even more as customers. Faster Data, faster processors, more ram. Guys I hate to break it to you - but you want battery life go get a feature phone or blackberry. Otherwise, quit complaining about all the stuff you ask your device to do on such a small amount of energy. If we would quit caring so much about design and weight, phone companies could pack a car battery into it for you - look at Sedio... completely ruins the aesthetics of the phone, but you get longer battery life!
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Shut up or give up, battery technology just ain't there yet - and probably will never be able to match our demands until we have little nukes in our pockets.
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My EVO was pulling roughly 15-20 hours of battery life out of a full charge.
Thus far, I haven't been able to break 12 hours with the Epic, doing the same thing and with roughly the same usage. It's more than enough for a day, and I'm almost never near a charger (office, car, home, etc) but it'd be nice to have an extra boost. Bought those 2 for 10 Chinese batteries as a just in case.
At work right now and while streaming dubstep.fm and chatting on aim, my Epic is discharging while it's plugged into the charger.
You people that come into ever battery thread telling everyone to quit complaining and lauding the 8 hours of battery life you phone gets are not only completely missing the point, you're also contributing nothing to the discussion and perpetuating this conception that a third of a day is more than good enough for a phone's battery life. I mean, ****, my laptops get 8 hours of battery life.
The issue here is that we can clearly see that an android phone can get as much as 4 hours of 3g browsing time and 8 hours of wifi browsing time. The fact that this phone fails to come even close to that amount is alarming. A 25% reduction 3g browsing time and a whopping 38% reduction in wifi browsing time should make you question what is going on in this phone. Especially since the manufacturing process that produced this SOC is supposed to be much more power efficient than the one that produced the HTC evo.
I for one am really hoping samsung is aware of this issue and that battery life can be improved via some software tweaks. I owned the HTC evo. I was able to easily get 20 hours of battery life out of that phone doing the exact same things I do now. I was hoping to be able to match that with this phone. But right now, there is definitely an issue. Any of you people that deny it are seriously deluding yourselves.
I too have been frustrated by the surprisingly poor battery life. I've been holding back on believing it is a real problem because the first few days I had my Evo, it too had terrible battery life. However, with the Evo, after some battery conditioning, a hard reset and configuring the phone for what I wanted it to do vs what it came configured to do (Ex: I do not need push email, google voice or 4G running all the time and 25% screen brightness with a widget to switch it to 100% when needed) the Evo stepped up to the plate and settled into a cadence of giving me over 24 hours of use on a single charge.
I've had an Epic for over a week now. I've used it exactly as I do my Evo. I configured it the same as the Evo and in some cases with more extreme battery preserving (Ex: set the screen brightness to zero and only sync email every two hours (rather than the Evo's every hour)) and I can barely make it 14 hours, and that is a 14 hour DEAD stop.
Two other issues that are driving me crazy are the GPS and 3G performance.
It seems that when I'm sitting at home, the GPS will lock in about 10 seconds, but if I'm on the road in a random place (when I need the GPS the MOST) it will simply not lock if I'm driving and if I stop, it will eventually (maybe 5 minutes) lock.
3G performance has been absolutely horrible. I put the Epic right next to an Evo and TP2 and the Epic will get between 1/4th to 1/8th the throughput of the others. If I switch to Wifi, all is well and 4G is comparable (although not as reliable) to the Evo.
I am a keyboard person, the only thing wrong with the Evo was it did not have a keyboard. The Epic is exactly what I want, but these three strikes are making it tough to love. The 3G problem should be easy to fix with an update, as for the GPS and battery I don't know. I'm anxiously watching Sprint / Samsung to see if they will produce an update (see if they stand behind this product.)
BTW, at the end of a day, the number 1 battery culprit (according to the battery settings) is the display. With approx 1 to 1.5 hours of use at 0% brightness with an all black background, it still takes 50% to 65% of the battery (people posting that Super AMOLED saves battery over LCD are simply wrong.) The next offenders are Cell standby and phone idle. I was experiencing the 50% no signal problem, the workaround to cycle airplane mode helped that. But it does bring up another issue, although I have not had any call drops, the signal strength is consistently two bars (out of 6) lower than my Evo and TP2 (sitting right next to each other. At my home and in my office, my Evo and TP2 get 5 to 6 bars (full signal) but the Epic is 3 bars. I know the bars shown are not a good indicator and I don't have any dropped calls, but I wonder if this is not causing battery drain. This also makes me concerned that the main problem with this phone may not be solvable with software, it may be poor antenna design / implementation.
Wow, if more people actually realized that the SAMOLED screen uses MORE battery when displaying white pixels, we'd see less threads like this and less articles like the one posted.
On SAMOLED screens, each pixel is individually lit. White requires the most light. Constant web browsing will kill your battery FASTER than anything else because white is the color of choice when it comes to mobile web pages.
With that being said, OTHER THAN WEB BROWSING the battery on the Epic is much better than the EVO.
hmm i made a thread on 3g battery drain just the other day glad to see some actual evidence to back it up.
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Wow, if more people actually realized that the SAMOLED screen uses MORE battery when displaying white pixels, we'd see less threads like this and less articles like the one posted.
On SAMOLED screens, each pixel is individually lit. White requires the most light. Constant web browsing will kill your battery FASTER than anything else because white is the color of choice when it comes to mobile web pages.
With that being said, OTHER THAN WEB BROWSING the battery on the Epic is much better than the EVO.
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Wonder if we could hack together a browser mod to invert colors?
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Wonder if we could hack together a browser mod to invert colors?
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Heh. That would be nice. In the meantime, I use a darker wallpaper. When using the kindle app, I use white text on a black background. I keep my brightness at 0% (surprisingly still pretty bright) unless I go outside.
My battery if fine too. Turn off wat u don't need and you'll be fine. Mine lasts 8 or 9 hours. U can't expect to use this beast at full power doing everyting all the time and expect this 1500 battery t be magically long lasting. Same prob with evo. Tame the beast
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A-effing-men man. The more features the phone has (or that you use), of course the more battery its going to drain. I came from the 9630 blackberry and i had about 6-10% battery drain per hour so this Epic isnt too bad of a switch for me since i am a heavy user.
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Battery life threads bother me.
You ask your phone to do everything but wipe your rear end. It does more than Apple ever thought about, and we demand even more as customers. Faster Data, faster processors, more ram. Guys I hate to break it to you - but you want battery life go get a feature phone or blackberry. Otherwise, quit complaining about all the stuff you ask your device to do on such a small amount of energy. If we would quit caring so much about design and weight, phone companies could pack a car battery into it for you - look at Sedio... completely ruins the aesthetics of the phone, but you get longer battery life!
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Shut up or give up, battery technology just ain't there yet - and probably will never be able to match our demands until we have little nukes in our pockets.
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Anyone know of any extended batteries for it? I was quite happy with my G1's thickness, so adding a few mm on here should be fine.
(Also, screw form over function - last thing I want is a pretty, comfortable brick.)
Lol I had the same issue, so im taking it back and sticking with my evo and its badass extended battery
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Not sure what you are expecting as far as battery life but I have spent hours doing everything from GPS to downloading apps from wi fi and I get about a good 7 - 8 hours. No problems here.
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Really sad when "a good 7 - 8 hours. No problems here" is now the yard stick battery life we expect from smartphones. Nothing smart there really.
TheMostToys said:
I too have been frustrated by the surprisingly poor battery life. I've been holding back on believing it is a real problem because the first few days I had my Evo, it too had terrible battery life. However, with the Evo, after some battery conditioning, a hard reset and configuring the phone for what I wanted it to do vs what it came configured to do (Ex: I do not need push email, google voice or 4G running all the time and 25% screen brightness with a widget to switch it to 100% when needed) the Evo stepped up to the plate and settled into a cadence of giving me over 24 hours of use on a single charge.
I've had an Epic for over a week now. I've used it exactly as I do my Evo. I configured it the same as the Evo and in some cases with more extreme battery preserving (Ex: set the screen brightness to zero and only sync email every two hours (rather than the Evo's every hour)) and I can barely make it 14 hours, and that is a 14 hour DEAD stop.
Two other issues that are driving me crazy are the GPS and 3G performance.
It seems that when I'm sitting at home, the GPS will lock in about 10 seconds, but if I'm on the road in a random place (when I need the GPS the MOST) it will simply not lock if I'm driving and if I stop, it will eventually (maybe 5 minutes) lock.
3G performance has been absolutely horrible. I put the Epic right next to an Evo and TP2 and the Epic will get between 1/4th to 1/8th the throughput of the others. If I switch to Wifi, all is well and 4G is comparable (although not as reliable) to the Evo.
I am a keyboard person, the only thing wrong with the Evo was it did not have a keyboard. The Epic is exactly what I want, but these three strikes are making it tough to love. The 3G problem should be easy to fix with an update, as for the GPS and battery I don't know. I'm anxiously watching Sprint / Samsung to see if they will produce an update (see if they stand behind this product.)
BTW, at the end of a day, the number 1 battery culprit (according to the battery settings) is the display. With approx 1 to 1.5 hours of use at 0% brightness with an all black background, it still takes 50% to 65% of the battery (people posting that Super AMOLED saves battery over LCD are simply wrong.) The next offenders are Cell standby and phone idle. I was experiencing the 50% no signal problem, the workaround to cycle airplane mode helped that. But it does bring up another issue, although I have not had any call drops, the signal strength is consistently two bars (out of 6) lower than my Evo and TP2 (sitting right next to each other. At my home and in my office, my Evo and TP2 get 5 to 6 bars (full signal) but the Epic is 3 bars. I know the bars shown are not a good indicator and I don't have any dropped calls, but I wonder if this is not causing battery drain. This also makes me concerned that the main problem with this phone may not be solvable with software, it may be poor antenna design / implementation.
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Wasn't SuperAmoLED supposed to be the wunderkid technology battery life saver? It seems not to be the case with these descriptions like yours. What gives? So it looks better than LCD but sucks just as much juice??
Can anyone tell me why the Android phones have battery life issues? Here's a scenario...my friend has an iphone, i have the fascinate. We both put our phones in our locker in the morning for work. We both come out for break and he still has well over 90% of battery life while mine is down to 70%. Why do the android phones drain so quickly. Yes I could put it in airplane mode and such but my friend doesn't have to on his Iphone.
Just wondering why these phones have such a tough time with battery life. I notice in a lot of the forums people are trying different things to get better battery life. I have tried different roms, kernels, radios, etc...and really don't notice a huge difference. I am not a heavy user of my phone and it lasts just about the day and dies. I may hit the net for few mins, do some texting, and check email from time to time. I would think the battery should last a couple days just doing this...not drain when the phone is just sitting idle. Anyway just wondering about this.
Apple has complete control over their phones. Designed in house, software developed in house, and carriers have no say in the software.
I have a feeling that has a lot to do with it.
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Which ROM? Of course you are aware of the many workarounds needed to keep froyo idle drain under control? These will eventually be fixed for good.
I have even more of a complaint about the active screen-on drain. Using auto brightness indoors, its impossible to get more than 2.5-3.0 hours of screen time. (WIFI or 3g) This is way less than iphone 4's capability of around 8 hours. There are some things that help explain it like androids 100% cpu usage when scrolling or animating the UI. However, there must be massive differences in the screen power consumption. Yea, yea, SAMOLED, power draw depends heavily on displaying black vs. white etc, but my random usage never gets more than about 2.5 hours screen usage over a day. Say what you will about apple, but they optimized the hell out of battery life.
Which kernel are you using? After moderate usage for me (games, browsing web with wifi, phone calls, etc) my battery life is around 70% after 15 hours.
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Which kernel are you using? After moderate usage for me (games, browsing web with wifi, phone calls, etc) my battery life is around 70% after 15 hours.
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Guys, since screen-on time dominates battery usage, it'd be nice to note how much screen-on time you get and your brightness setting. Defining "light" usage over a number of hours could mean just about anything... very subjective.
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Guys, since screen-on time dominates battery usage, it'd be nice to note how much screen-on time you get and your brightness setting. Defining "light" usage over a number of hours could mean just about anything... very subjective.
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True enough. I set my light to auto and since im usually in a room, the light setting is at lowest. When im outside, its goes to the brightest settings.
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Can anyone tell me why the Android phones have battery life issues? Here's a scenario...my friend has an iphone, i have the fascinate. We both put our phones in our locker in the morning for work. We both come out for break and he still has well over 90% of battery life while mine is down to 70%. Why do the android phones drain so quickly. Yes I could put it in airplane mode and such but my friend doesn't have to on his Iphone.
Just wondering why these phones have such a tough time with battery life. I notice in a lot of the forums people are trying different things to get better battery life. I have tried different roms, kernels, radios, etc...and really don't notice a huge difference. I am not a heavy user of my phone and it lasts just about the day and dies. I may hit the net for few mins, do some texting, and check email from time to time. I would think the battery should last a couple days just doing this...not drain when the phone is just sitting idle. Anyway just wondering about this.
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Iphone pretty much have more or less the same battery life problems.
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There are some things that help explain it like androids 100% cpu usage when scrolling or animating the UI. However, there must be massive differences in the screen power consumption. Yea, yea, SAMOLED, power draw depends heavily on displaying black vs. white etc, but my random usage never gets more than about 2.5 hours screen usage over a day. Say what you will about apple, but they optimized the hell out of battery life.
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If you use Google Navigation and constantly force rerouting to destination by taking wrong turn/path, your 100% charged phone would hit empty within 2HRs or less with the screen brightness set at minimum.
Anandtech reveiw of several real world tests shows iphone 4 smokes the fascinate bad. Not even close.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3957/samsung-fascinate-review-verizons-galaxy-s-smartphone/8
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Anandtech reveiw of several real world tests shows iphone 4 smokes the fascinate bad. Not even close.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3957/samsung-fascinate-review-verizons-galaxy-s-smartphone/8
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We have a more powerful phone than the iphone 4, of course our battery is shorter. (better screen, faster cpu, etc) Also seems like our antenna is the best according to the review.
Android is made to constantly sync with the internet for updates and notifications. It's just the nature of the operating system to draw a lot of power because in theory it is a more powerful and complicated system. Also keep in mind that the battery inside an iPhone is huge and it is lithium polymer which lasts longer but is more expensive. These larger lithium polymer batteries are the main reason iPads and MacBooks get good battery life as well as their less powerful chip sets.
EDIT: Oh, and also iOS doesn't use as much RAM as Android so that also factors in to the battery life being generally better.
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We have a more powerful phone than the iphone 4, of course our battery is shorter. (better screen, faster cpu, etc) Also seems like our antenna is the best according to the review.
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Dunno about you but my Fascinate get's poor signal compared to other phones. Also slower network speeds.
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We have a more powerful phone than the iphone 4, of course our battery is shorter. (better screen, faster cpu, etc) Also seems like our antenna is the best according to the review.
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I appreciate the more open, easy to modify nature of android over apple. But to trying and explain the 2x worse battery life on android as arising from "better" processor and screen is wishful thinking at best... blatent android fanboy propaganda at worst. We need to learn how apple has optimized things, not turn an overconfident blind eye.
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I appreciate the more open, easy to modify nature of android over apple. But to trying and explain the 2x worse battery life on android as arising from "better" processor and screen is wishful thinking at best... blatent android fanboy propaganda at worst. We need to learn how apple has optimized things, not turn an overconfident blind eye.
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It's unfortunately that the Fascinate lacks the monthly software update support similar to Apple, but using the support from this forum by the devs, I had achieved 1% power usage for every 3 hour idled = max possible 300 HRS.
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Android is made to constantly sync with the internet for updates and notifications. It's just the nature of the operating system to draw a lot of power because in theory it is a more powerful and complicated system. Also keep in mind that the battery inside an iPhone is huge and it is lithium polymer which lasts longer but is more expensive. These larger lithium polymer batteries are the main reason iPads and MacBooks get good battery life as well as their less powerful chip sets.
EDIT: Oh, and also iOS doesn't use as much RAM as Android so that also factors in to the battery life being generally better.
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Guys, there's a lot of android fanboy propaganda going on in here. I'm not against android, but don't automatically defend it like its your mama. The ifixit link below shows iphone 4 has 1420 mah battery as opposed to fascinates 1500 mah. They also both have 512 MB RAM. So that's not the issue.
Also, the Anandtech tests were done with phone on and active. So are you trying to explain android was at a disadvantage because it was "doing things in the background"? Like what? Any background process or sync service that kills your battery that bad is implemented horribly. iOS is doing the important stuff in the background too... maybe just not the ESPN or weather widget. But no one in their right mind believes those things are the problem.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-4-Teardown/3130/1
Scrappy1 said:
I appreciate the more open, easy to modify nature of android over apple. But to trying and explain the 2x worse battery life on android as arising from "better" processor and screen is wishful thinking at best... blatent android fanboy propaganda at worst. We need to learn how apple has optimized things, not turn an overconfident blind eye.
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Sadly, I am the opposite of an android fanboy as I would have gotten the iphone for verizon asap if I havent gotten the fascinate back at November. (Iphone on Verizon were still rumors back then). Also note that review was done in October last year. Battery life is probably much better now with cleaned roms and froyo.
If you really need to browse the web over 4 hours a day on your phone (use computer?), why not just get a larger battery or even get the iphone?
Edit: Hardware mean a lot in battery usage. After checking the iphones CPU, seems like its pretty much the same or similar to the ones of the fascinate, except slower clock speeds.
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Sadly, I am the opposite of an android fanboy as I would have gotten the iphone for verizon asap if I havent gotten the fascinate back at November. (Iphone on Verizon were still rumors back then). Also note that review was done in October last year. Battery life is probably much better now with cleaned roms and froyo.
If you really need to browse the web over 4 hours a day on your phone (use computer?), why not just get a larger battery or even get the iphone?
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Personally I don't get any better battery life from froyo ROMS. My wife's fascinate with stock eclair usually gets as many if not more hours of screen time as I get with superclean 2.9.2 and jt's EC10 w/ slight undervolt. Sometimes I get much worse battery life when I forget to activate one of the 10 workaround hacks still needed to fix the idle drain issue.
I use 2.5 hours of screen time daily quite often and find my battery exhausted before the day is over. Maybe I'm the rare case, but I doubt it.
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Dunno about you but my Fascinate get's poor signal compared to other phones. Also slower network speeds.
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Verizon is pretty much known for its slower network speeds compared to AT&T. I do get pretty good signal, overall.
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Personally I don't get any better battery life from froyo ROMS. My wife's fascinate with stock eclair usually gets as many if not more hours of screen time as I get with superclean 2.9.2 and jt's EC10 w/ slight undervolt. Sometimes I get much worse battery life when I forget to activate one of the 10 workaround hacks still needed to fix the idle drain issue.
I use 2.5 hours of screen time daily quite often and find my battery exhausted before the day is over. Maybe I'm the rare case, but I doubt it.
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My battery life with imnuts undervolted kernel is much better than ones from previous EB01 kernels. I didnt find much difference between SC 2.9.2 ROM and Nameless V3 battery with the same kernel. I usually have around 75-50 percent battery life left from moderate usage. (Different from other people according to screen brightness and etc as stated in previous posts)
Kaze105 said:
My battery life with imnuts undervolted kernel is much better than ones from previous EB01 kernels. I didnt find much difference between SC 2.9.2 ROM and Nameless V3 battery with the same kernel. I usually have around 75-50 percent battery life left from moderate usage. (Different from other people according to screen brightness and etc as stated in previous posts)
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Under battery details, what is your display "time on" at end of your day? What is Max "time on" you ever got? Without those numbers its hard to say anything objectively.
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Under battery details, what is your display "time on" at end of your day? What is Max "time on" you ever got? Without those numbers its hard to say anything objectively.
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Since its monday tomorrow, ill test the max time on. At the end of the day, or rather when I start charging it again/installing kernels or roms, time on is 14 hours and 17 minutes.
On my fascinate I unplug phone at 645 check face book and xda for about a hour on auto brightness. I then go to school and check pulse and xda many times totaling around 2 hours. The rest of the time is idle so after 2-3 hours of screen time and then 3-4 hours of idle during the school day I get home with 85-89% left im using dark revenge with imnuts undervolted kernel. Im no android fanboy I'm just posting my stats.
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Suppose you had a choice, the Note as it is with 2500ma battery, or my imaginary 6000ma Note. (see attachement).
2500ma to get you through a day with moderate use, or 6000ma for a day of unworried heavy use. (or two or three with normal use)
Kind of difficult without knowing the thickness of your imaginary Note. In any case, one of the reasons the Note's size is so manageable is because of how thin it is.
Considering that I get a full day (~12hrs) out of even heavy use with my note and 35+ hours with normal use, I cant really think why anyone would want to make this have a larger battery...
Using juice defender ultimate and 15% screen brightness.
Also, I cant believe most people dont realize that those crap mugen and other extended batteries are ususally nowhere near their advertised mAh rating. http://batteryboss.org/
A total scam and making people use bigger phones for practically a placebo effect battery life increase.
Aside from the scams...
I would like an official larger battery, fitting in a bit thicker case, this would make it really my dream phone.
My day lasts a bit longer than 12hrs...
I also use Juice Defender, but this just helps when you are not using the phone....
Interesting, but I use an external USB battery pack. This means the phone doesn't have any extra weight. Sure, I have to carry an extra gadget, but it's only when I need it and they make them in all sorts of sizes so it's not much of a compromise.
I think, there is certainly space for a bigger battery, considering it is almost same hardware inside on the S2 it should be plenty of room for a bigger battery. Maybe they could used a bigger battery which was thinner...anyway..if you could always have two batteries an extra battery in your pocket... the battery does not cost much..
But yeah I like if you had the choose to buy a bigger battery like on your picture, and then buy a new back case..
I am happy with the thickness as is and wouldn't want to increase it. I can always use titanium to freeze any apps that I require for little extra reach anyways.
I don't need a 6000mah battery
randomstranger99 said:
Interesting, but I use an external USB battery pack. This means the phone doesn't have any extra weight. Sure, I have to carry an extra gadget, but it's only when I need it and they make them in all sorts of sizes so it's not much of a compromise.
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and so far I would say the Note has better power consumption vs. battery size than my SGSII did.
SNiiPE_DoGG said:
Considering that I get a full day (~12hrs) out of even heavy use with my note and 35+ hours with normal use, I cant really think why anyone would want to make this have a larger battery...
Using juice defender ultimate and 15% screen brightness.
Also, I cant believe most people dont realize that those crap mugen and other extended batteries are ususally nowhere near their advertised mAh rating. http://batteryboss.org/
A total scam and making people use bigger phones for practically a placebo effect battery life increase.
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Is that really true? I don't get the impression from the other battery life thread that the Note can last an entire working day without dying. If that's possible then great, but I would appreciate if you can provide just a bit more details about your usage. Let's put it like this, will the Galaxy Note last from 8 AM to 8 PM with my defined usage pattern listed below.
I don't need a battery that will last 2 or more days. I need a phone that will work permit hours of web browsing, 4 push e-mail accounts, and instant messaging running in the background. My iPhone 4 will easily last the entire day thank to the battery case. If it wasn't for my Mophie case, then I wouldn't be able to do it.
Is 15% brightness adequate?
Right.
I had a mophie for my iPhones, a battery pack for my S2, and would like a longer lasting Note. Especially for the Note, since its size invites to keep my desktop turned off.
But the battery included with the Note doesn't survive a whole day of heavy use, just moderate use.
So you have to revert to Juice defenders, mophies and keep an eye on the battery, carry chargers etc.
It would be, at least for me, very convenient and relaxing to have a phone where you don't need to think about power management.
And I think I am not alone.
It would be easy for Samsung to make a longer lasting phone, and it would sell.
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Make 2 versions, 2500 and 5000 for instance....let the people decide !!!
I use my note alot during my workdays. And it last my 8 hour day easy with realy heavy use.
But like today when ive been busy with my machine at work ive just had radio on the whole day and maby got around 1-2 hour of browsing, watching movie, gaming, etc. And after 8 hours my battery is on 75%.
Whats draining most of my battery is the connection with the 3g network and syncing. Using my msn app the whole day will make it drain alot more.
And the screen. If you have the screen on alot it will drain the battery realy fast with high brightness. So the lower you can have the better. The difference between 75% and 25% is huge for me.
And for those that will have more battery power i think a external batterypack is pretty good solution. Ive one for backup for times when i know im going to use my phone much during a long time without the possibility to charge.
Can have my batterypack in my pocket while i use and charge my phone.
a little too thick from the picture but would be nice if the same thickness then i'd go for the 6000ma one or just get another spare battery for the heavy use .
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Is that really true? I don't get the impression from the other battery life thread that the Note can last an entire working day without dying. If that's possible then great, but I would appreciate if you can provide just a bit more details about your usage. Let's put it like this, will the Galaxy Note last from 8 AM to 8 PM with my defined usage pattern listed below.
I don't need a battery that will last 2 or more days. I need a phone that will work permit hours of web browsing, 4 push e-mail accounts, and instant messaging running in the background. My iPhone 4 will easily last the entire day thank to the battery case. If it wasn't for my Mophie case, then I wouldn't be able to do it.
Is 15% brightness adequate?
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It's completely true, once you set the phone up right it has incredible battery life. I'm not talking setting the phone up to be crippled like I have had to do with previous android phones either, this thing just goes. After a day (9hrs) of normal use in my office (texting, surfing and using reddit is fun) My battery was at 80%
People dont set up their phones right, and/or complain about the battery life after spending all the first day with the phone downloading apps and gazing at the beautiful screen are the ones misleading saying this phone has bad battery.
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I use my note alot during my workdays. And it last my 8 hour day easy with realy heavy use.
But like today when ive been busy with my machine at work ive just had radio on the whole day and maby got around 1-2 hour of browsing, watching movie, gaming, etc. And after 8 hours my battery is on 75%.
Whats draining most of my battery is the connection with the 3g network and syncing. Using my msn app the whole day will make it drain alot more.
And the screen. If you have the screen on alot it will drain the battery realy fast with high brightness. So the lower you can have the better. The difference between 75% and 25% is huge for me.
And for those that will have more battery power i think a external batterypack is pretty good solution. Ive one for backup for times when i know im going to use my phone much during a long time without the possibility to charge.
Can have my batterypack in my pocket while i use and charge my phone.
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I agree that using 3G will drain the battery faster, but I didn't subscribe to adapts connection and then exclusively use wifi.
Is 25% screen brightness adequate for outside viewing?
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SNiiPE_DoGG said:
It's completely true, once you set the phone up right it has incredible battery life. I'm not talking setting the phone up to be crippled like I have had to do with previous android phones either, this thing just goes. After a day (9hrs) of normal use in my office (texting, surfing and using reddit is fun) My battery was at 80%
People dont set up their phones right, and/or complain about the battery life after spending all the first day with the phone downloading apps and gazing at the beautiful screen are the ones misleading saying this phone has bad battery.
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I totally appreciate your feedback here, but can you be specific about the settings that you're using to achieve such great battery life?
Is 15% brightness enough for outside viewing?
Also interested in what "set the phone up right" means
All of above that, you need to find a good kernel to be developed.
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I had the note 3 the battery was terrible and i really thought we'd be getting atleast 4000mah as some websites stated but 3220mah aren't you guys concern? Seems like a joke to me.
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I was under the impression that the Note 3 had pretty good battery life... at least that was what I was able to discern from reviews.
Can someone else who also owned the Note 3 chime in?
Watch this and you won't be concerned about battery any more:
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&sour...Ot9BGMeI02GwNY_Zw&sig2=jB_BFvUf5EMKyJdT_ZwXOw
This video shows that the Galaxy S5 with Snapdragon 805 and QHD Display doesn't use more battery than the "old" Galaxy S5. So Samsung seems to have found good ways for battery saving.
I am not concern. I plan to get 2 extra battery and a external charger. The Note 3 version was like $30. Whick brand is good? Anker?
pcman2000 said:
I was under the impression that the Note 3 had pretty good battery life... at least that was what I was able to discern from reviews.
Can someone else who also owned the Note 3 chime in?
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You would be correct. The Note 3 Battery life was pretty damn good. I never had issues with it, and if you look over the N3 forum you'll see some pretty outstanding results :good:
I expect the N4 to have been tweaked a little and the battery to be either on par or at least very very similar to the N3.
sofia-captivate said:
I had the note 3 the battery was terrible and i really thought we'd be getting atleast 4000mah as some websites stated but 3220mah aren't you guys concern? Seems like a joke to me.
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The Note 3 was widely regarded as having some of the best battery life for any phone of that time.
If anything wall hugging iphone users have something to be worried about with their copycat device, "Retina HD" welcome to 2012 Apple and the battery size, hardly a mention because we KNOW its smaller than Samsungs.
My note 3 has pretty decent battery life. Just make sure to disable a bunch of stuff that you don't need for best results.
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sofia-captivate said:
I had the note 3 the battery was terrible and i really thought we'd be getting atleast 4000mah as some websites stated but 3220mah aren't you guys concern? Seems like a joke to me.
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since 4.4.2 update WiFi battery usage increased. so i got battery drain...
But i change setting to turn off WiFi when screen off and Battery Life became normal
On Note 4 they claimed for more optimization for power + UltraPower Saving mode...
so we have to wait for reviews and our experiences...
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Even though I was disappointed they didn't include a bigger battery, I'm not concerned about battery usage on Note 4. I don't think they would've made a big deal about battery usage the and better performance on the Note 4, if they didn't have something to back that up. It would've been much simpler to not mention the 7% improvement, or just say they increased the battery by 20mAh. I'm expecting a somewhat better performance compared to the Note 3, which is fine.
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Even though I was disappointed they didn't include a bigger battery, I'm not concerned about battery usage on Note 4. I don't think they would've made a big deal about battery usage the and better performance on the Note 4, if they didn't have something to back that up. It would've been much simpler to not mention the 7% improvement, or just say they increased the battery by 20mAh. I'm expecting a somewhat better performance compared to the Note 3, which is fine.
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The battery is still bigger than the iphone 6+'s and you can always swap it out and with quick charge feature 0-50% in 30 minutes, how long does an iphone take?
It's not how big the battery is, but how it's used. I have Note 3 and I saw as much as 40% drain overnight, when phone was not used at all, right after updating to KitKat and I also managed to have as little as 1% drain overnight, after killing some of bloatware. I can't pinpoint anything in particular, but it could be more than one program. Right now for example Google search is draining my battery more than all other programs combined and I'm not doing anything with the phone at all. I don't want to kill it, since I use it sometimes, but if it keeps doing it I may have no choice. Anyhow if Note 3 is working properly it can have fantastic battery life.
According to what I read so far Note 4 screen should be something like 14% more efficient than older version, despite having higher resolution, CPU and rest of hardware should be at last as good as older models and there should be ultra power saving mode, so I wouldn't worry about power that much, unless some program or programs crash and go bananas, but at least software issues can be fixed, just a matter of effort. For example many claim factory reset fixes excessive battery drain right after firmware update, which I had personally.
If you are concerned, you could always buy a ZeroLemon battery.
Here's the report on Note 4 screen. Remember display consumes the most energy of anything.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm
Comparison with the Galaxy Note 3:
The Galaxy Note 4 is 14 percent more power efficient than the Galaxy Note 3. This is due primarily to a 19 percent improvement
in the power efficiency of the Green Primary channel (materials and electronics). The results are scaled for the same Luminance.
Comparison with LCDs:
While LCDs remain more power efficient for images with mostly white content (like text screens, for example), OLEDs are now
more power efficient for mixed image content because they are emissive displays so their power varies with the Average Picture
Level (average Brightness) of the image content. For LCDs the display power is independent of image content. OLEDs have
been rapidly improving in their power efficiency. In fact, the Galaxy Note 4 is 40 percent more power efficient than the
Full HD LCD Smartphones we tested for mixed image content (that includes photos, videos, and movies, for example)
with a typical 50 percent Average Picture Level, APL.
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SOC should use the same power as other Snapdragon 805 powered devices (hint: Qualcomm generally makes pretty power efficient smartphones).