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[READ ME] Rules, Moderation, How to Help - Additional information

And now, a word from your friendly neighbourhood moderators!
As you may know some of our Android device forums are a bit "messy", with your help, let's see if we can keep the i9000 forums clean! This is a bit of an experiment, to see if posts like these help at all. Most of the following is simple common sense, and for most of you it will hopefully bring nothing new.
Moderators
The official i9000 forums moderator is Sirphunkee. I, Chainfire will also be hanging around here quite a bit.
Rules
Please consult the forum rules before posting, they can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=263#post81
Additions
The rules should be clear enough, however I will repeat some points for emphasis and post some additions here as well.
Use the search
This speaks for itself, though many still don't use it.
Check the i9000 FAQ before posting
It can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723596
Don't post in the android development section ...
... unless you are absolutely sure it belongs there! The developers / hackers are trying to work, don't bother them with things that do not belong there.
When in doubt, post in the general section. If it's a question, post in the Q&A section
If you're not sure, it probably should NOT go into the android development section.
Treat eachother with respect
No flaming, no personal attacks, be nice, behave, show respect. While you may be responding to somebody who has asked a question you might find dumb, or he didn't use the search, or whatever reason you think you may have, it is never ever warranted to be flaming anyone, and it simply will not be tolerated.
Ignore flames, personal attacks, etc
If these should occur, do not respond to them! Especially when they are directed at you, this is hard to do and you want to defend yourself. Suppres this urge! Responding to these is "feeding the troll", and only serves to bring a thread further off-topic and make it much harder for us moderators to clean up the mess. Responding to these posts makes you part of the problem, and doesn't help anyone. See below for how to report these to have a moderator look at it, and if needed, remove it. Don't let the trolls win!
Saying thank you
This forum does not come with a "thank you" button like some other forums do. While for example if you post a question and others help you out, saying "thank you" is nice, in many development threads saying thank you only serves to clutter to thread. Please do not post a comment saying nothing more than "thank you" in these threads - instead perhaps consider giving the developer a small donation to show your appreciation, give the thread a 5-star rating, or help out in some other way (like assisting others with their problems).
Helping out
There are many of you, and only a few of us moderators. Like you, we are mere humans, we are not paid for being here, and our time is limited - we cannot read every post of every thread. The first few things you can do to help out is behave, assist others, follow the rules, and make sure you are not the (negative) reason that we need to look at a thread or post. But there's more you can do to be of assistance:
Reporting posts
Each post has a "report" button associated with it, found at the top-right of the post. It a triangle with an exclamation mark inside of it, and hard to miss. Clicking it will give you a box you can use to add a comment, and then the post in question will be brought to the attention of the moderators. Be short and precise when writing the comment. While your biography is undoubtedly an interesting thing to read, it has no place in that comment box Please verify that the post is actually against the rules of XDA (see link at the top of this post) before reporting a post. The additions I have posted here, unless they are also present in the XDA rules, are not enforced by other moderators.
Posts in the wrong section
I see a lot of comments on threads that they are in the wrong section. Please handle these threads in the following way:
Check that nobody else has already posted that the thread is in the wrong section. Do not clutter the thread with notices about how the thread starter is in the wrong place, one notice is enough!
If you're the first, post that the thread should have been (for example) in the general or Q&A section instead of the android development section, in a kind and respectful way, and ...
report the post, putting something like "not development, please move to general" in the comment box.
Flames, personal attacks, (severe) disrespect
Even though these are against the rules, they will still happen. As stated above, it is generally not a good idea to respond to them. However, depending on how offensive they are, you might wish to report them for moderator attention. Do so in the following way:
Check that nobody else has already posted that he reported the post. Do not clutter the thread with notices, responses to a flame, etc. One notice is enough!
If you appear to be the first, you might want to post that you have reported said post (without quoting it!), and ...
check if others have quoted the flame, personal attack, etc in their replies, and ...
report the post, putting something like "flame, has been quoted / responded to by others". This makes our job faster to do!
Violations of other rules
These will happen. Again, check if others have already (kindly and respectfully) notified the poster that his behaviour is against the rules. You might want to report such a violation, but please take a moment to think about it, and do not go on a "reporting spree". Is the violation really so severe that it needs to be "handled" by moderators ? Does a moderator really need to warn this user about his behaviour ? Does the post really need to be modified by a moderator ? For example, for some light verbal abuse / explicit language, you might just want to (kindly) ask the user to tone his language down a bit and/or edit his own post, instead of turning to a moderator.
Don't go on a reporting spree
As stated above, think hard about reporting a post before you do it. For example, don't go to android development section and report threads from page 3 to be in the wrong area. The thread is likely already dead, and requesting to have it moved is a waste of both your and our time. Use common sense!
Other
The "star rating" system is not useless
You can rate a thread with up to 5 stars. Please use this ability, it makes it easy to spot high quality and low quality threads for others browsing these forums.
Don't PM myself or Sirphunkee unless you really have to
We get enough PM's as it is. Most things can be resolved without sending us a PM personally. For example by reporting a post, or posting in this thread here.
Need more empty posts at the top of your thread ?
It is not uncommon that you have ran out of space in the first post of your thread (especially with "release" threads). Feel free to request additional "first posts" for your thread by posting in this thread here.
Do you really think a certain thread should (or should no longer) be a sticky ?
Again, feel free to post that here in this thread. Obviously, do not request your own threads to be stickied. If it is worthy, others will request it for you.
Anything you would like to add or request ?
Feel free to post it in here, but please remain on-topic.
The end!
Hopefully this will have a positive effect and is generally helpful, if not, I'll just remove this thread again.
I will try to keep up with the posts in here !

Thank you! I appreciate you putting time into keep our little patch of XDA in shape.

Thanks for your time!
it was about time we got some one official in here

Thank you moderators, for sacrificing your personal time to make this forum more enjoyable.

This is an excellent thread and it was about time to put things in order!
My congratulations guys!

Since there is an option for requests here..I would like to request consideration for this petition:
[Q] Proposal to merge all Galaxy S family into 1 neat and big sub forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764084

Аnd there are already 270+ members up for merging.
Will moderators consider it?

That's an admin decision, not a moderator decision.

Oh, ok, sorry
Did the admins take final decision whether to merge or not?
And are they aware of the situation?

jam3sjam3s said:
Oh, ok, sorry
Did the admins take final decision whether to merge or not?
And are they aware of the situation?
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Yes, the discussion about this is ongoing at the moment. The admins and mods are discussing the best way to handle the organizing of all the Galaxy forum sections, and will likely come to some decision shortly. We're looking at the proposal in AllGamer's poll (see the sticky at the top of this section) as a possible solution, and I'm sure we'll post whatever the final decision is somewhere in each of the current sections (this one included) to make sure all members who need to know are aware.

sirphunkee , thank you for your reply and your work
All Galaxy S owners are looking forward to solving this problem

Modified the first post a bit to reference Q&A section. Q&A has been here for a while but I was on vacation

I see lots of great work from moderation lately!
This forum felt little 'undermoderated' until now, but your effort in past hours to keep this place up just cant be missed!
Thank you!

Thanks guys for all you do, got my SGS 9 days ago; was fearful of rooting; found one click lag fix, dove right in; you guys are awesome!!!! thank you!! thank you!!! thank you!!!

Well, not replying to anything in particular and nothing really special enough to warrant a new topic and since this is the most "general" Galaxy S topic I thought I'd share it here.
Swiping my Galaxy S along the the left side of the laptop (keyboard) area puts my Macbook Pro to sleep (around the FN key). Only when the Galaxy S is unlocked and screen, just a weird occurrence I thought I'd share. Tried it on a few other Macbook Pros, same result. Looked around a bit, apparently magnet does this but I'm thinking something else. Interesting nonetheless.

useful topic

Indeed usefull topic!
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hi
hi you all i am new here

Noted with the rules...

okej good to know

For people that have questions (Q)

This is a development area.
Meaning if you have created something fixed an error then this is where you post. if you have questions please make a topic in the General section this area is getting filled with junk and multiple post asking things that have been posted if you would just learn to use a button we call the search bar at the top right.
I'm not the mod on this Device but as a dev for this device I want to keep things clean unlike all the other areas. I want people to look as the development area and be like ok thats a rom or recover or root and not have to ask questions.
Next is when in a topic please keep on topic. a few topics are 90% junk because people not staying on topic. DONT make posts that say "I hope this is fixed soon or I'm going to get rid of this device" GROW UP go do some reading and help to to make a fix.

I have to add my 2 cents to this. It's really nice if people other their help and discuss things but sometimes threads have to stay clean in order to be helpful for other developers. So please think about if it's really necessary to add your stuff. Otherwise please use the general section.
If you help the developers to do their stuff quickly we'll be able to write how to threads faster for you guys.
Personally I'll pick only a few persons for testing. This will result in less bricked devices
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Maybe link the [DEV] thread to a [DISCUSSION] thread in general section so noobs like use can talk about the development of a given project and not actually post in the [DEV] thread itself.
Also, I wouldn't hesitate to report a post or thread to the mod. I'm not sure how active he is here but it could use a little cleaning.

gammaRascal said:
Maybe link the [DEV] thread to a [DISCUSSION] thread in general section so noobs like use can talk about the development of a given project and not actually post in the [DEV] thread itself.
Also, I wouldn't hesitate to report a post or thread to the mod. I'm not sure how active he is here but it could use a little cleaning.
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I tried to set this a few days ago: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056198 but the people don't listen

its a good idea but if people have a question since we dont have a questions area like other forums it needs to be in the general area. or they need to learn to use a search bar/engine. im just tired of pms/email/threads that have been answered already.

dc13 said:
its a good idea but if people have a question since we dont have a questions area like other forums it needs to be in the general area. or they need to learn to use a search bar/engine. im just tired of pms/email/threads that have been answered already.
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You would think by now with how prevalent forums are for all aspects of life, people would know how to use the search feature.
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I tried to set this a few days ago: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056198 but the people don't listen
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What I meant, exactly, was say a developer starts in on a project - they start their development thread and in the first post, add a link to a discussion thread in the general forum:
[DEV] My project Title
This is my project explanation.
Link to [DISCUSSION] Thread.
So basically, you start you [DEV] thread. Then when you're done, start a [DISCUSSION] thread then link the two together. So noobs, right from the first post, can see the link to the discussion thread. If someone posts a question or chit chat in you [DEV] thread, have it moved to the [DISCUSSION] thread.
I know, it's not ideal, just a thought.

gammaRascal said:
What I meant, exactly, was say a developer starts in on a project - they start their development thread and in the first post, add a link to a discussion thread in the general forum:
[DEV] My project Title
This is my project explanation.
Link to [DISCUSSION] Thread.
So basically, you start you [DEV] thread. Then when you're done, start a [DISCUSSION] thread then link the two together. So noobs, right from the first post, can see the link to the discussion thread. If someone posts a question or chit chat in you [DEV] thread, have it moved to the [DISCUSSION] thread.
I know, it's not ideal, just a thought.
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This actually sounds really good to me. The only kicker being what is considred on topic and what isn't? Are testing successes and failures relevant to a dev thread? Only successes? Only "breakthrough" moments? To be determibed by an elite group of our super-dev peers? Determined by the original poster?
Its a very subjective issue, dependent on the knowledge level and/or experience of the poster and reader both (or simply based on what one is hoping to find at that moment as compared to how disappointed one is by what they do find instead).
It could also get really complicated really fast.

Ultimately thats up to the OP.
The whole point is that a dev thread can only stay as clean as there are ways to do it. At least with a seperate (though connected) discussion thread, it can be directed. If someone posts in the dev thread, it should be up to that threads OP whether or not it can stay or be moved- at least now there would be a place to move it.

BUMP!! cause people dont like going to the second page. STOP making questions here this is for DEV's that have something to make the Iconia better not hi can i do this. go to the GENERAL AREA

I am not a developer, and this is the only post I can see myself ever posting here.
I enjoy reading this section like I'd read a detailed tech news site. I know that these same people also read the general section, so I can benefit from their input there.
Here, this section, this is their place to work! They share ideas here. They make things happen here. Aside from this post, I never want to clutter their desks, because I benefit so much from their hard work!
Is there any way to just make you guys permissible to post? Maybe you should have to be a dev to post? All can read, but devs would contact the mod to post? With a Discussion Thread linked in that environment, I could see a solution.
I still want to read. Its valuable. But aside from this post, I have no reason to write here. Butt every reason to watch progress, for my own education and to see what might be round the bend

anyone can be a dev. it just means u fixed a bug or made something happen thats what this section is for not hey can some1 help get you tube working or something like that.

doing another bump to keep near the top

[PSA] Idea to combat offtopic posts and comments

Hey there,
I, like many of you, am sick and tired of people not understanding simple concepts about the Development section of the forums. I seem to have come up with a solution that will allow devs to speak freely and easily and at the same time keep us informed of their progress to stop all the bs comments that I've been seeing.
I would love to say wipe the dev thread and start again, but I know that would be inconvenient for any mod or dev to do and so step one is to start a new sub-forum with a specific set of permissions. Remember that Verified Developers rank or whatever it was that xda opened registrations for not too long ago? My suggestion is make sure that only verified developers can post in this new subforum (called something like Atrix 4G Developers Chat) but allow all users to view it and click the thanks button (I will get to this in a second)
By creating a new forum It will allow;
Devs to release their latest inventions without all the spam
Devs to help each other without all the spam
All users will still be able to thank their favourite devs but CLICKING THE THANKS BUTTON
No-one will be pressuring the devs for an ETA on a release or update as they won't be able too, sure they can still start topics in the Q&A or general, but at least now it won't fill the release threads with crap.
Normal users will still be able to get in contact with devs if they have a suggestion or feedback (about bugs/problems not spam) via private messages, the freenode IRC or in the Q&A or general forums.
This is just a suggestion that I came up with quite a while ago but remembered last night when I was browsing xda on my phone and couldn't believe how many times I had to stop myself from posting more offtopic posts just to combat the already offtopic posts put there by others.
If you like this idea, please post your feedback here even if it is as simple as a +1 10char10char reply and hopefully this gets picked up and implemented if many users like it.

The way I see it the Dev can post the "meat and butter" in the Dev only forum and he or someone else can post a "feedback" thread in a more appropriate forum. This allows everyone to post what they want in response to the Dev and still have the real information in the Dev forum. The Dev, or another Dev could transcribe what is relevant to the Dev discussion.

_Dennis_ said:
The way I see it the Dev can post the "meat and butter" in the Dev only forum and he or someone else can post a "feedback" thread in a more appropriate forum. This allows everyone to post what they want in response to the Dev and still have the real information in the Dev forum. The Dev, or another Dev could transcribe what is relevant to the Dev discussion.
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Kind of like Sogarth's latest post. It will work out wonderfully and people can still post "lol, whens it coming out dQQd? zomg thanks!" without cluttering his -real- post.

yea kinda like that but officially implemented.. I assume the same idea could be implemented to many phones not just the Atrix forum.

I don't know. The problem are the bad posts, not the place where they're posted. If the hypothetical dev doesn't care about feedback, he wouldn't read the responses anyway. If he does, he would have to go through the same bad posts, only that now it's in General.
I'd prefer a solution i've seen in other fora, in which users can upvote or downvote individual posts. Any post that gets downvoted too much gets buried, along with any quotes referring that post. It also gets automatically deleted after being buried for some time. We have a great community here, and i'm sure it would work quite well. A checkbox "show/hide buried threads" (where the OP got downvoted) would clean up silly questions in the dev forum.
The only catch is that it might require rewriting of the forum code.

^ upvote that idea - and adopting the idea early.

Fifow said:
I don't know. The problem are the bad posts, not the place where they're posted. If the hypothetical dev doesn't care about feedback, he wouldn't read the responses anyway. If he does, he would have to go through the same bad posts, only that now it's in General.
I'd prefer a solution i've seen in other fora, in which users can upvote or downvote individual posts. Any post that gets downvoted too much gets buried, along with any quotes referring that post. It also gets automatically deleted after being buried for some time. We have a great community here, and i'm sure it would work quite well. A checkbox "show/hide buried threads" (where the OP got downvoted) would clean up silly questions in the dev forum.
The only catch is that it might require rewriting of the forum code.
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I Agree... is there any VBulletin plugin to do that? I guess it is..

Fifow said:
I don't know. The problem are the bad posts, not the place where they're posted. If the hypothetical dev doesn't care about feedback, he wouldn't read the responses anyway. If he does, he would have to go through the same bad posts, only that now it's in General.
I'd prefer a solution i've seen in other fora, in which users can upvote or downvote individual posts. Any post that gets downvoted too much gets buried, along with any quotes referring that post. It also gets automatically deleted after being buried for some time. We have a great community here, and i'm sure it would work quite well. A checkbox "show/hide buried threads" (where the OP got downvoted) would clean up silly questions in the dev forum.
The only catch is that it might require rewriting of the forum code.
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I'd upvote this post!
Basically you're talking like the comments on Slashdot or StackExchange, right? I think that would be slick, although it would be a huge shift I think.
It looks like something like this might fit the bill.
Dislike Posts: Allows users to dislike a post. Great for situations where someone is spamming, posting ridiculous content etc.
Auto Collapse Disliked Post: Collapses a post so it doesnt show up by default when the number of Dislikes outnumber likes by 'X'
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Some days I'd kill for a "dislike" button that would downvote and hide posts.

[I9001] Is there hope for us?

If someone takes a look at our little community, on first thought he wouldn't find anything interesting, well except the fact that not much developing is being done, but if they keep an eye on our section for a while they would notice a lot of rule breaking, bad habits, childish comments etc... so, after a while a person starts to ask himself some stuff, like:
Will people ever learn not to post non dev stuff in dev section? especially those who post questions, while there is a dedicated Q&A section for that, u just have to use the [I9001] tag and someone will answer u.There are also the general threads, like benchmarking ,announcements, enquiries (especially about ICS and other progress) etc... and all this stuff should be originally posted in General. now it's normal that every now and then someone opens a non dev related thread in dev section, but when u get 4-5 new threads daily it becomes annoying.
Now moving on to the bad habits, things like lil chit chats, non related posts, posts in different language other than english etc... they're all basic stuff that people who ever used any forums should be aware of.
And lastly, the childish reactions/comments by some people (and i'm not gonna name names here) which really isn't necessary in this forum. comments like "this is a copy of my rom" or "my tool has more options than the other one u are using" or "when i build a rom it will be the best one" adding to that the benchmark competitions, as if we're all in a penis measuring contest in which everyone has to prove he's the biggest man. that kind of attitude doesn't contribute to the general mood of our section. What some people need to understand is that all roms we have are based on stock roms, with little modifications/themes/tweaks that are universal, non of those which were ported by one dev exclusively onto his rom, so accusing someone else of stealing or copying is for least funny and childish.
The fact stays that among the active users in our section there are only 3 real devs, 2 of them are hardly logging in, while the third is the most active at the moment and he's the only one working on porting something, my point is, people should accept the fact that the majority are modders at best, and should keep their heads and feet on the ground.
anyways, i decided to open this thread coz everytime i throw a comment in a non related thread in dev section i get replies that accuse me of rage and disrespectfulness towards the other, which is not the case. so, as a conclusion, i hope there is hope for our community, and i hope someone will come across this post and it will remind him everytime he'd think about doing one of the things mentioned above. Cheers.

A lot of your points are true but I want to mention this too:
I haven't been hanging around long on XDA but ever since early november im checking our development section 10-20 times per day.
Most time I see you posting is about offending others to stop posting offtopic.
This was (in some cases) as well against the rules.
Why don't you just ignore them?
Sometimes it is as annoying to see people posting "this is off topic", "stop spaming"(when there are only few off topic posts) as it is to see actually spam.
I just remind you of the ICS testing thread in dev where you "kindly" asked the mods to not move your thread. Whatever.
Yes, you're right. We only have about 2-3 developers. But due to the lack of development our dev section is more like a general section for our phone.
It is reasonable that people post non dev related things in the dev section, just because the general forum is not often used by I9001 user.
Lets be honest: 99% of the user have no idea of development (me included and you probably too). But we are all interested and like to contribute. It is not spam if someone thanks (for example) Yarde for his CM7 work. Its just annoying to see you insulting people who want to thank developers.
(And yes I know, there is a "thanks" button)
It always depends on the point of view.
Maybe Yarde/skywalker01 look at your post and the only thing they can see is spam (just because it is technically wrong).
Don't forget, it is just a forum where a lot of people come together to share interests.

Everyone has the right to their opinion, u stated urs, and i respect it , but not necessarily agree with it
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Most time I see you posting is about offending others to stop posting offtopic.
ts just annoying to see you insulting people who want to thank developers.
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link me to any of my posts where i "insult" people, and i don't mean when i comment stuff like "this is off topic" or "stop spamming and post in general" , i never insulted anyone in any of my posts i can assure u
I just remind you of the ICS testing thread in dev where you "kindly" asked the mods to not move your thread. Whatever.
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yes i kindly asked the mods not to move it so people could see it, and i got pm's from people who wanted to test what zackconsole was trying to build, and u can find all this in that thread, also if u check my last post in that thread, u will see that i also "kindly" asked the mods to close it bcoz of the spamming and non related posts.
Yes, you're right. We only have about 2-3 developers. But due to the lack of development our dev section is more like a general section for our phone.
It is reasonable that people post non dev related things in the dev section, just because the general forum is not often used by I9001 user.
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it's ok , if u're all satisfied with the way things are now and trust me, i've written this post coz i don't feel like guiding people every single day in which section they should post. if it was to xda rules, none of the questions that are asked in rom (and other dev) threads are allowed, when people have questions of any type they should ask in Q&A , the dev threads are only for dev discussion, but xda and the mods are flexible enough to let people post and ask in the corresponding threads, but it doesn't mean that that flexibility should be abused
And as for posts like "wow, this is great" , "thank u" , "nice job" etc.. they only pump up the post count and make it hard to navigate throughout the thread and find useful posts.Ignoring all these "issues" only leaves space for more such acts.

So what is the solution? Posting in [I9000] General forum even tho the majority of the user won't see it?
Popularity for our phone would help, otherwise I don't see a "Galaxy S I9001 General" section.

Add this to your signature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA

annqx said:
So what is the solution? Posting in [I9000] General forum even tho the majority of the user won't see it?
Popularity for our phone would help, otherwise I don't see a "Galaxy S I9001 General" section.
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if u take a look at our Q&A and General threads u will see a lot of my posts, i come by whenever i'm online even though i'm not obliged to, but i look at it this way, if people asking for help won't get it here it's logical that they will start posting their questions and problems in dev, so even if i don't have a solution for someone's problem i try to give a suggestion or any sort of help, and i would appreciate it if more users would visit our threads and help others, that's the only way to get people to post there. If someone doesn't want to use our threads they can always post in I9000 Q&A or General sections , as long as they use the [I9001] tag, someone of us will notice it for sure, after all that's how u got to my post in I9000 General
wintel_mac said:
Add this to your signature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
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lol i remember baadnewz when he was still in the desire forum, he made that link famous

posting restrictions?

I was wondering why in da hell cant i post in some areas? So i can give my thanks to developers of roms,report some eventual bugs etc,and help others?
Some limitations?

That message answers itself. That's one of the reasons why there are limitations.
It's a forum rule, not a U8800 sub-forum rule and yet you decided to open a topic here, contesting the general rules.
New members do that. They don't understand what a forum is, what they should or shouldn't do to respect the forum order.
Generally speaking newcomers never report bugs, they're limited to spamming the topics with "thanks you" posts instead of clicking the thanks button, complaining about a missing/not working feature only later to find out that they didn't read/follow the steps correctly and mainly, they use the development sections to make requests to devs or ask stupid newbie-like questions.
Also, other slightly more experienced newcomers, feel like they should repeat the information over and over again to the other new-newcomers (thanks hunting maybe?) instead of pointing them to the source of the information.
All that, oughta add up to around 75% of all the moderators work to keep the forums running smoothly.

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I think VuDuCuRSe has answered your question very well, just i would like to think 100% of MODS here do a good job​