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HD2 .... or not to be?

Ok I have I Touch HD, on the whole I have been very impressed with my touch HD, apart from the poor camera when not in brght day light.
I'm am due an upgrade soon, I am certainly considering the HD2, but i need to know is the camera better than the previous HD?
I understand not all phone cameras are great, but my Nokia N95 shot fantastic video indoorsm and the sound was clear even in night clubs it didnt distort. I would love to get back to this quality again.
I'm conidering the new sony erricson and Nokias, but I'd much prefer to get HD2, window mobile and HTCs front ends are much better than others I have used.
If the HD2 isnt up to scratch does anyone know of any new windows mobile devices that have camera performance equal to the Nokia I spoke about?
Thanks

UltraPixel camera is really the best one?

Actually,the important factor of I am attracted by the HTC One is its UltraPixel, I have read the technology description on HTC's website, and I just wonder if it really performs better than the typical smartphone with just 4MP camera.

There's threads about this
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Dannyada1988 said:
Actually,the important factor of I am attracted by the HTC One is its UltraPixel, I have read the technology description on HTC's website, and I just wonder if it really performs better than the typical smartphone with just 4MP camera.
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In my eyes, it doesn't. It does well and certain lighting conditions i do have to say but for most of the shots ive seen like the iphone vs. HTC One camera, the iPhone did better in nearly all of them to me. Once people get the non-demo models though we'll be able to see what others think.

#cameraname
Dannyada1988 said:
Actually,the important factor of I am attracted by the HTC One is its UltraPixel, I have read the technology description on HTC's website, and I just wonder if it really performs better than the typical smartphone with just 4MP camera.
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To get some idea of how well the camera on any phone performs in different lighting hastag its name on Instagram
I personally am jealous of the camera on the iphone 4s/5. They seem to produce the sharpest pictures on Instagram and Facebook!

We can't tell yet the device software is not final and HTC didn't lift the reviews embargo yet and the didn't post many official samples either

Normally, I would like to see dpreview's comments for any camera reviews. gsmarena's camera section is also decent.

I think the argument is unless you're wanting to print photos on huge canvases etc then 4mp is more then enough for Facebook etc that most people use their camera phones for. And if you can develop a 4mp camera that is high quality with low light performance you're basically giving the majority what they want and need.
As a photo enthusiast I am glad to see them trying to get closer to what's necessary and needed rather then having a medium quality high pixel camera that I'll never use for top notch shots. I have a DSLR for that.
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Yup trading pixel detail for low light

From a lot of comparisons I saw, there's no doubt that the best available mobile camera is Nokia 920 but hey, it's a windows phone.
Recently Sony released a Firefox OS ROM for some xperia phones. If Nokia decided to do the same releasing an oficial android ROM for Lumia series I could think about buying one but, that's not the case.
And about HTC One camera, maybe it's not the best but it's great enough for me.
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joelteixeira said:
From a lot of comparisons I saw, there's no doubt that the best available mobile camera is Nokia 920 but hey, it's a windows phone.
Recently Sony released a Firefox OS ROM for some xperia phones. If Nokia decided to do the same releasing an oficial android ROM for Lumia series I could think about buying one but, that's not the case.
And about HTC One camera, maybe it's not the best but it's great enough for me.
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I never got why Nokia jumped on the Windows Bandwagon... i guess maybe because Android has SO much competition?
WP OS is pretty naff though, the person that thought of having text going off the screen so you scroll over... looks daft

joelteixeira said:
From a lot of comparisons I saw, there's no doubt that the best available mobile camera is Nokia 920 but hey, it's a windows phone.
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Although I was blown away by the 920, that was my exact point of not buying the device. At the moment there is no camera that can make me buy a Windows Phone

its not the best, but is good to me, only 13 days for release!

kalo88 said:
I never got why Nokia jumped on the Windows Bandwagon... i guess maybe because Android has SO much competition?
WP OS is pretty naff though, the person that thought of having text going off the screen so you scroll over... looks daft
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When Maemo was in the transition of replacing symbian as nokia's primary OS they suddenly appointed a new CEO which came from Microsoft. And few months after they decided to ditch support for maemo & meego and decided to partner with windows. So most likely the reason why they went windows and not android is because microsoft infiltrated their administratiion. It all started with Stephen Elop.

How about Apple releasing iOS version for Lumia 820 and 920? Hahahha Nokia and android too much optimistic thought but let Nokia fall down again I think Nokia is under Microsoft's debt and ms is hypnotised Nokia to save their reputation in mobile world, Nokia will show their true color when his debt from Microsoft has finish atm Nokia don't want to angry Microsoft coz ms has been heavily feeded Nokia to make him healthy
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kalo88 said:
WP OS is pretty naff though, the person that thought of having text going off the screen so you scroll over... looks daft
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I think it's a perfectly good OS, my sister has it. Very fast and fluid for what its a cheap phone.
I think they went with WP as they will be the manufacturer associated with it. Think iOS, think Apple (obviously) but for Android most people will automatically think Samsung.

I'd like to reiterate again, that demo units and preview units with unfinalized software have NEVER made a difference (for any phone) in the final quality of the camera. It'll be released in a few weeks. If it's **** now, it will still be **** later on. No more excuses. Optimism is no excuse for stupidity.
Here's one big problem with the HTC One. The 4MP is 4MP. You can go on and on about how it doesn't matter for facebook, but if we are going to place smartphone cameras to a higher standard (HTC says so), this compromise is almost dealbreaking. It's one step forward, two steps back. I take pictures of menus and sheets of paper and murals and such with text quite frequently. Even my Galaxy S2 with 8MP is sharper and easier to read than the blurry and poorly defined text the HTC One takes. Here's a text comparison.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one-review-902p6.php
That's what you sacrifice with low resolution. Resolved detail. The text images are just the easiest way to see the problem with low resolution. It extends far beyond just text, Blurry faces, undefined outlines, and blur in general.
The other problem. The touted low light performance seems to be overblown. If you sacrifice megapixels for better low light, and the low light doesn't deliver, you just shot yourself in the foot. Here's a comparison in low light with the Nokia 920 and 720.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-One-vs-Nokia-Lumia-920-and-720-low-light-comparison-video_id40344
You can see the giant ass blotches of noise and grain, because the HTC image blows up the lighting and makes the noise and grain even more apparent. There's no fine detail, just a smear of color. Compared to the Lumia 920, it's almost like it has no OIS at all and the "ultrapixels" mean diddly squat. Most damning of all, is that the budget Lumia 720 takes better low light pictures. It doesn't have fancy OIS nor the same large pixels.
There are many more examples of the poor low light performance scattered about the net. This is the thing HTC touted as better than the rest, but so far its just middling if not mediocre.
In summation. If you want an average camera, or say "I don't give a shiz it's a camera-phone", this phone will fit the bill. But if you were expecting something more, some sort of major progress, you won't find it here. You will be better off with the Lumia 920 and its OIS. Or wait for the Lumia 1000 EOS which will even give point and shoot cameras a run for their money. But right now this is just a half-hearted attempt by HTC, with plenty of money thrown at advertising it but no confidence in making it a reality wit a bigger sensor, more pixels, better OIS, etc. The Galaxy IV will probably have a better camera. Hell, the Galaxy II and III have better cameras.

Can we close these threads?
Until the device is released this is all speculation and all I'm reading is people whining and complaining about this device
Plain and simple, don't like it then gtfo and don't get the device
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superchilpil said:
Until the device is released this is all speculation and all I'm reading is people whining and complaining about this device
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Funny you say that seeing as the post right above yours states the following:
katamari201 said:
I'd like to reiterate again, that demo units and preview units with unfinalized software have NEVER made a difference (for any phone) in the final quality of the camera. It'll be released in a few weeks. If it's **** now, it will still be **** later on. No more excuses. Optimism is no excuse for stupidity.
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I looked through all the demo pictures and the ones taken by reviewers at MWC and the pictures where on par or better than the competition.
As for that GSM arena review, they describe the quality as being sharper and better overall than the LG G but then have photos that are blurry and say it is the One pictures but they don't match the full size pictures at the bottom of their review so I don't quite trust that source.
Honestly, if you want to take great pictures buy a point and shoot camera or a DSLR as nothing in a phone is going to out match them.

here are some samples from the One vs Nokia 920 and 720

Comparing camera samples with the N8 , Sony XS, Nokia 808, Lumia 920

Comparing camera samples with best in same resolution category... done by PureViewClub : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbSjQS-2h1w
In my opinion 808 turns out best (but less vibrant colors but with so less noise and more detail) , next is lumia 920 and then SXZ (not far behind) i call it tie for 2nd place... then n8 and then SXS comes last due to heavy noise everywhere. but then it is just my opinion.

nikhiltanwar said:
Comparing camera samples with best in same resolution category... done by PureViewClub : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbSjQS-2h1w
In my opinion 808 turns out best (but less vibrant colors but with so less noise and more detail) , next is lumia 920 and then SXZ (not far behind) i call it tie for 2nd place... then n8 and then SXS comes last due to heavy noise everywhere. but then it is just my opinion.
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Wow, nice find, thanks for posting that.
My take away is this (and I'm sad to say) there STILL is no perfect smartphone camera. I've owned an 808 Pureview and while it excels at most shots, it is not very good at closeup macro shots, as seen in this video.
I am glad for this video, though. The camera is the single most important feature in a phone to me right now. I keep thinking each new phone is going to have that "perfect" camera sensor, but it probably is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. The Z is certainly not the answer. I don't think the One will be much better. Even the Mighty 808 Pureview lacks in some regard.
I think I may need to rethink my priorities and pick the other features I like most in a phone.

stiffi2011 said:
Wow, nice find, thanks for posting that.
My take away is this (and I'm sad to say) there STILL is no perfect smartphone camera. I've owned an 808 Pureview and while it excels at most shots, it is not very good at closeup macro shots, as seen in this video.
I am glad for this video, though. The camera is the single most important feature in a phone to me right now. I keep thinking each new phone is going to have that "perfect" camera sensor, but it probably is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. The Z is certainly not the answer. I don't think the One will be much better. Even the Mighty 808 Pureview lacks in some regard.
I think I may need to rethink my priorities and pick the other features I like most in a phone.
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Wait till something like http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_w880_amoled_12m-2948.php comes again to mobiles (it failed last time)... but that phone will be thick... i think best option for a camera lover is lumia 1000 or EOS (for now)...

stiffi2011 said:
Wow, nice find, thanks for posting that.
My take away is this (and I'm sad to say) there STILL is no perfect smartphone camera. I've owned an 808 Pureview and while it excels at most shots, it is not very good at closeup macro shots, as seen in this video.
I am glad for this video, though. The camera is the single most important feature in a phone to me right now. I keep thinking each new phone is going to have that "perfect" camera sensor, but it probably is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. The Z is certainly not the answer. I don't think the One will be much better. Even the Mighty 808 Pureview lacks in some regard.
I think I may need to rethink my priorities and pick the other features I like most in a phone.
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I have a Pureview also. To get good macros you actually need to be a bit further away from the subject and zoom slightly, produces excellent macros that way. Without using that technique it does struggle a bit with finding focus in macro shots.
Regarding Pureview having less vibrant colours - they are less vibrant but more true to life in my experience. Have yet to find a phone camera with better colour reproduction, and I've tried nearly all high-end phones over the last 6 years.
It definitely isn't perfect, but it is a huge leap over every other phone out there so far - the sheer lack of noise is utterly staggering. Better than my Lumix FZ-100 in that regard, and while the FZ-100 is by no means an incredible camera, it still blows my mind a little how much better shots are from my 808 a lot of the time.

hehe, Talking about Camera Comparission. X10i vs Z

HTC 8X vs Nokia Lumia 920

Hi.
I need help with this... So which is better? Exactly I mean Screen and Camera.
Thanks in advance

Lumia 920.

My $0.02:
920's camera has better low-light performance, plus OIS; daylight performance is similar (920 images still a bit soft)
8X has better front-facing camera (wide-angle lens, 2 MP)
Screens about equivalent- 920's is larger, but 8X has higher PPI due to smaller size; they have different aspect ratios (8X = 16:9, 920 = 15:9)
8X has a bit better audio quality (particularly when plugged into external headphones or speakers- dedicated amp)
920 is larger, much bulkier; 8X has better in-hand feel
Nokia apps: used to be big differentiator, but now 8X has the useful ones (Nokia Drive, Transit, Maps), free via app store
I'd generally suggest 8X unless low-light imaging and screen size outweigh the form factor in your calculation.

Depending on what u wanna do I had both of them exchange them multiable times because the 920 and 8x both had extremely bad issues with Spotify it just didn't work from crashes to freezing to battery drain of 30 or more per hour. It was just that bad. It must be on both hansets or in general HTC and the nokias that use beats or the sound equalizer. Because now where I have a Samsung Ativ S I can use Spotify with no issues no crashes no more bad battery life and nothing. Samsung told me after asking why the Ativ S has no sound equalizer that they had issues with the equalizer and music and or media apps not working or being sluggish. So they left it out. It does kinda sucks because sound wise the ativ S really doesn't sound so good like the Nokia or the HTC but I take that over battery issues and crashes and freezing with Spotify and other apps. My 4 different Lumia 920 had so bad battery life it was just that bad 7 8 hours tops ativ s 23 or more hours easily. So something really was wrong with them and some apps that didn't shut down or so and the 8x kinda did the same thing. Is weird that they both had issues with Spotify or music media apps and the ativ s does not.

I work for MS. We all got a choice of 920 or 8X. I'd say 80 percent went for the Nokia, but everyone who's held them side by side prefers my HTC. Both great phones but the Nokia is *big*.
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Remember Nokia will support their phones and are more involved in WP, HTC are mainly Android and suck with updates for older hardware, Nokia is the better option IMHO
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920 has better video recording, no distortion when recording club or concert sound. Stable video.

I absolutely love the HTC 8X.. Would concede that the 920 has a better screen/camera.. But the 8X is good enough not to regret it.
Be wary if you use bluetooth headsets though.. Htc 8x (like the Titan before it) has a horrible bluetooth radio and can barely maintain a connection.
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Mlopik said:
Hi.
I need help with this... So which is better? Exactly I mean Screen and Camera.
Thanks in advance
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As to the specific points you're asking about, I'll have to say 920 hands down. The screen has overall better technology: the super sensitive touch is a nice feature, and pure motion is no gimmick: try watching some fast paced go pro hd vids and you'll know what I'm talking about: no blur whatsoever and super crisp colours: the clear black screen of the 920 (light polarization layer inside the glass) gives you better than average blacks (for an LCD) and great sun readability. You,may also wanna keep in mind that the 920 is 1280x768, while the 8x is 1280x720: this means that on the 920 you get only slightly less ppi (but they both are above 310 so human eye can't tell the difference) on a bigger screen, and the aspect ratio is proportional to the good old WP7 one, so all of the apps scale perfectly, and you get the most out of the screen real estate. The camera is pretty much on par with the 8x in daylight shots, but if we're talking about low light performance there's no comparison. Videos are great too (OIS is no gimmick either), still the best in class imho, even better than the super duper hyped GS4 and the One. If screen and camera are what you care for the most, then look no further, the 920 is the best WP handset out there.

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Remember Nokia will support their phones and are more involved in WP, HTC are mainly Android and suck with updates for older hardware, Nokia is the better option IMHO
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Both are great devices but that is the reason why I am getting the 920 (arriving tomorrow)

Why don't you search yourself for a comparison? The web is full of info (even video).
Then, go to a store and put your own hands on
Meanwhile, take a look HERE, especially at the benchmarks

HustlinDaily said:
Both are great devices but that is the reason why I am getting the 920 (arriving tomorrow)
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Except, Microsoft pushes the updates for wp8...nokia also has build issues like dust in proximity sensor causing black screen on calls and issues where phone won't charge when totally flattened...
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Got the HTC 8x love it so far. WP needs more official apps and more support on existing official apps like ScoreMobile. Other than that it is fun.
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Best of Sony... is not really great..

First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition, though I really just want to point out about the display and camera. I moved on from the Note 3 to the Z1 (lost my Note 3, wanted a good phone with a good camera for a low price so I got an Xperia Z1), and here's what I've noticed.
Display:
Well, there's no other way to say it: for a flagship phone, the Z1's display isn't that great. Viewing angles are poor, and viewing it at even small angles puts a whitish hue over it that just doesn't look good. It might be good for privacy, but otherwise it's plain to see that they're using an inferior IPS tech than other manufacturers. The Note 3 or the Nexus 5's displays are clearly much better, and so is the one on the HTC One from early 2013. I've heard that the Z1 Compact finally has a great screen among Sony devices, so that's great, but I feel that many Sony fans are clearly ignorant of how much greener the grass in on the other side when it comes to displays.
Camera
To be honest, this is the biggest disappointment I've had with the Z1. I don't know if Sony was focusing purely on lossless zoom when adding the 20MP camera, but when it comes to resolved detail and visible noise, the Note 3's camera was better despite no fancy tech and standard sensor. Sure, it has a 13MP camera while the Z1 takes photos at 8MP after downsampling, but in general its photos are clearer and more detailed. I've tried taking 20MP pics, and they just do not come out as great as one would expect (if they focused on lossless zoom, even that hasn't worked out well in general outdoor photos), and Sony has basically squandered a nice opportunity.
But on the flip side, I love some things about the camera. It's fast to open (mainly thanks to the camera button), it's smooth, and is quick to change modes, which helped a lot on my weekend trip with my family.) I don't like that HDR isn't a dedicated mode and is simply a switch when you select 8MP photos in Manual, but other than that, it's pretty good overall. In fact, the quickness and the shutter button are what make me ignore the fact that in quality I've come down to a noticeably not-so-great-at-capturing-detail camera (the Note 3 took ages to select modes, open the camera app, and open pictures.)
That's something that's true in Sony's software overall: it's beautiful, sleek, and quick and responsive. I do miss some features from the Note 3 (Multi-Window, Smart Stay (extremely useful when you can't be bothered touching the screen to keep it awake), some camera modes, and the better multitasking (my Z1 is abysmal at holding apps in memory, and not because it's just 2GB of RAM.) It feels good to use, and that's a pretty good thing.
But again, the screen and camera have let me down considerably. Again, on the flip side, I love the phone's build (though it's a bit too bulky, but then it is waterproof), and things like the lanyard slot and camera button (conveniences manufacturers have forgotten in their quest to copy and follow Apple since the first iPhone arrived on the market).
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to. The pricing is great, though, but I kinda don't think I'd want to save a few bucks next time I want a phone, not unless Sony focuses on making the hardware more complete regarding awesomeness.
Sorry for the rant, and again, I wasn't bashing, overall I like my Z1, just don't love it (yet)!
P.S.: My Galaxy Gear is also now sitting idle, but I guess we can blame Samsung for making its watch incompatible with other devices. It's a useful watch, but not in use anymore. There is a hack to make it work with others, I tried it with the Z1, but most stuff just doesn't work. So I guess I'll buy Sony's smartwatch next. :silly:
P.P.S.: I hope KitKat comes soon. I like that Sony takes time to test its software, but with Samsung and HTC moving pretty quick with KitKat despite having heavy skins, and Samsung has even managed to not introduce any quirky bugs (they disabled third-party accessories, but an update over the weekend reversed that), I really want KitKat to come quick. I want wireless printing support (Samsung had this even before KitKat, one of the few reasons I appreciate Samsung's bloat sometimes, it has some useful features), and it might also solve the issue of lack of RAM on the Z1, even if only a little bit.

This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.

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This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.
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It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)

addicted2088 said:
It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)
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Saturday Night? You should be in some club! ..ahah...just kidding...I know...I am really disappointed by the camera too....what I can surely said is that the problem of the camera quality is related to the Software, but I don't know if we will get better pictures. Many telling me that the Z1 make amazing pictures but mine is not fake and I still not get clear pictures like it should be. Full of Noise, and with Unlocked Bootloader get even worse.

I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to
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Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there

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First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition
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Uh huh.
My advice to you, since it appears you wrote this to practice the writing career you're hoping to have, is to consider other career options. You're not good at this.

learn to make the picture and you will find Z1 camera is great. all the comparatives with Note 3 and the other smartphones take Z1 on the top of Android world
display is very good. poor viewing angle are not a gap, but I can assume it is subjective.
when I watch photos and videos on Z1 display they are much nicer than on other displays.

kantk20111 said:
I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there
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Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.

A lot on that list are gimmicks and a few items there are disputable. If HTC were as ahead of everyone as you make them appear to be, then that's extremely incongruent to the terrible shape the company is in.

Another "OMG Sony why did you do this to me" thread.
Sony rules!!

Shan89 said:
Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.
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I don't want to get in a fight about whose phone is better, but everyone's got different preferences in a phone. A lot of the points you mentioned are opinions, and really can't be said in a comparison.
The most 'quality' phone and 'ummatched feel' is extremely subjective.
The Z1 is no less in quality than the HTC One and has as premium materials.
The Moto X and Z1 compact both have better feel, just because they're smaller.
Z1's battery life has been much better for me than HTC One in my experience.
Headphone sound is exactly the same for me. Beats is a gimmick and just a equalizer preset which I can also set on my Z1.
I will admit the HTC One's speakers is miles ahead of the Z1's and the display is better.
Camera as well is a lot better in the Z1 in daylight, but I remember you're the guy who wrote that HTC One vs Z1 camera test and I don't want to get in a fight again about that, so I won't go there. HTC One's better in low light, but the Z1 isn't that bad either.
The Z1's camera has a ton more features as well that are pretty cool to play around with. Gimmicks? Sure, but they're still fun. Also the Z1's viewfinder is much smoother.
All front facing cameras suck equally and don't believe there's a 'best' front facing camera.
edit: Oh, also concerning updates: This is the first time HTC have actually done well with updates. We'll see a year from now how they treat HTC One users. One X and One X+ users are stuck with official 4.2 while the Xperia T, which came out around the same time+, just got updated to 4.3. Sony might be slower at giving updates but they support their phones longer.
See, I just refuted half of your points. Of course you will disagree with me, but that's what's great about Android: everyone has different preferences and different opinions on what's the best. The HTC One is a fantastic phone and is my number 2 after the Z1, but it's still not the best for me. Nothing wrong with that.

omnius1 said:
A lot on that list are gimmicks and a few items there are disputable. If HTC were as ahead of everyone as you make them appear to be, then that's extremely incongruent to the terrible shape the company is in.
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What exactly is gimmic ?
Ir blaster is very useful
Ois is very helpful in low light / movement or any other type of using the camera / 60 fps video is smooth as camera app on z1 and looks like you're looking thru the glass when watching an video / hdr video is awesome as well at low light , so is the zoe especially if you wanna take out some snaps after which are full sized , I forgot slow motion video as well which is fun tho.
Smart flash is very useful indeed and can take photos from 5cm in pitch black up to 10 meters , with the walls it can go even further
Stereo frontal speakers ...how is this a gimmic lol , anything you do on a phone sounds crazy good + loud + it hits you in the face.
Full metal body is always a good thing , it screams premium ...
Feel in the hand indeed is unmatched due metal + device shape
hdr mics pick up the sound you wouldn't believe that the phone is doing it.
I've forgot also talking via phone is unmatched as well , you get stereo sound + you can talk in super loud environment perfectly fine.
Headphones sound wouldn't be a gimmic as well lol ... Ppl just use that ...on daily bases ..
Software updates is definitely not an gimmic we all want fast and working updates ASAP ,which is not the case with the Sony , it's far from it.
Xda development for me personally is very important since I love to flash + the fact HTC one has about 9/10 times more development it's a must have for me.
The only gimmicky thing would be if you don't like the the BlinkFeed that'd be all which can be turned off.
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We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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lol
I had Xperia z1 , camera sucked , phone was too hot and screen is utter **** , so I changed to HTC one for the same stuff you wrote here!

Honestly I am huge fan of HTC but actually I do not brought HTC One, which was cheaper, just because there is no micro SD Slot, and when Apps to SD will be available on Z1, or even Apk on internal and Data on SD on Custom Roms, I will not have regrets to have Z1.

eclyptos said:
We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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Nah mate it ain't fight Lol. I was just pointing that there are devices which are quite more complete. Of course I can't think of anything else besides z1 that comes equal to m7 pretty much all devices lack design and quality which both z1 and htc have.
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eclyptos said:
We have to open a thread " [MENTION=3721363 [user=4914682]@Shan89[/user][/MENTION] VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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No more fighting lol, just 2 guys who really love their phones alot . For me the HTC One and Z1 will always be the top of Android, with Samsung, LG and the rest way below. Sony and HTC have style along with awesome hardware.
edit: @Shan89 beat me to it

Came from the GSIII and this phone blows it out of the water, so I'm happy.
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I came from htc one to z1 for reasons like low battery camera quality purple tint issue and worst of all its easily breakable body which produced dents on a simple fall
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Shan89 said:
HTC has the best software updates "ATM" and fastest after Google.
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Coming from a T-Mobile HTC One S and being left hangin' with no further updates from 4.1 Jellbean...I jumped off their bandwagon and upgraded to the Sony Xperia Z1S.
I'm glad that HTC is finally wiling to support their top tier products, but a bit too late for me...HTC lost in my book.
The clear winner (for me) is Sony! :good: