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Cyanogenmod for Vibrant? How close are we?

I've been following the progress of the Cyanogenmod development for the Vibrant lately and it seems to be moving pretty quickly, i.e. there already booting into the main UI, I believe. Anyway, I'm still wondering if anyone out there has even a rough estimate of when it will be available for the Vibrant? Thanks in advance.
-bobofosho123

It's done when it's done.

bobofosho123 said:
I've been following the progress of the Cyanogenmod development for the Vibrant lately and it seems to be moving pretty quickly, i.e. there already booting into the main UI, I believe. Anyway, I'm still wondering if anyone out there has even a rough estimate of when it will be available for the Vibrant? Thanks in advance.
-bobofosho123
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Some time in the near, or distant future. One of Cyanogens pet peeves are people asking when it will be there whenever they are able to get it done. All of the dev's have loved ones, jobs etc. We can give estimates all day long ranging from early September to late October/November. Sadly the only ones that do know would be Wes.

talltexan said:
Some time in the near, or distant future. One of Cyanogens pet peeves are people asking when it will be there whenever they are able to get it done. All of the dev's have loved ones, jobs etc. We can give estimates all day long ranging from early September to late October/November. Sadly the only ones that do know would be Wes.
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thanks for the reply, I know all of the devs have other obligations, i.e. there lives. I'm in no huge hurry for froyo, although it would be very nice, I'll just wait for the official update if it ever comes.

bobofosho123 said:
thanks for the reply, I know all of the devs have other obligations, i.e. there lives. I'm in no huge hurry for froyo, although it would be very nice, I'll just wait for the official update if it ever comes.
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We don't even know if 6.1 will be in store for us.
6.0 update from Cyanogen
Things that aren’t in 6.0. but may be in 6.1
Vibrant support
Wimax, HDMI, or FM radio on the EVO
Apps2EXT
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bobofosho123 said:
thanks for the reply, I know all of the devs have other obligations, i.e. there lives. I'm in no huge hurry for froyo, although it would be very nice, I'll just wait for the official update if it ever comes.
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if you arent in a hurry for it then why are you asking for an eta? why dont you go and try to get it working? if you dont contribute anything dont expect stuff from people, no one owes you anything.

98classic said:
if you arent in a hurry for it then why are you asking for an eta? why dont you go and try to get it working? if you dont contribute anything dont expect stuff from people, no one owes you anything.
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I obviously care, and I would like it soon, but I'm not going to hound Wes or any other devs about it, and I don't think posting a question in a thread counts. I'm not a dev and I can't code, so the best I can do is beta/alpha test, and if no one helps me that's perfectly fine.

*1 in the annointing. Cyanogen ftw..
Lovellkid

lol nice I think were about 3 weeks away from a release considering we will get the update then, and the rest will follow after that ...
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Col.Kernel said:
Looking in the mirror as you speak?
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Man I really started one hell of a flame war here, lol .

Honestly Im in NO big hurry for CM6 to come to the Vibrant. I mean I have two other devices running CM6 so I'm enjoying the fact that Vibrant ROMs for now are something of a different nature.
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talltexan said:
Kings in waiting, we are waiting for Cyanogen to anoint us.
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What is soo good bout cyanogen
Does he make goood firmware updates?
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While I understand no one wants to give an ETA, but it would be nice to know if it is 20, 50, 60 percent done for example.
I dont see the problem asking this question

tribalb said:
Lol I was being flamed in the fm radio thread just shooting a suggestion. Can we get a rant and rave section and piss each other off. Personally im liking the TW ui. If any ROM comes out still holding the TW ui then ill be happy. Otherwise im just sticking to what I have.
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What draws you to the UI? cause ADW has the sides scrolling option that TW does but you can use themes and such.

Ive seen the adw drawer. It is very similar and I like the convience of the scrolling bottom on the home screen. But im not too sure of stability. I heavily modded my g1. And from time to time I would get force closes. Im trying to minimize the mods on this phone. The adw drawer is not bad. But right now its not something I want on the phone
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The TW drawer is nice, on my phone ADW doesn't load right. When I first go to the tray it gets stuck in a loop where it keeps wanting to load the tray it just can't. After about 5 tries it usually loads. The stock icon's look better than the adw galaxy s theme, and even when I say use stock icons it doesn't use the phones stock icons.

aawww, I missed a flame war.
What's a good flame without little old me?
lol jp
I like TW too.
I like some of the samsung apps over the stock ones.
I'm not as interested in CM6 as I am in Froyo Period.
I would like to see a sense rom, but i doubt that will happen.

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Is everyone that owns this phone a whiney bish?

Seems to me every post on here lately is just people whining about what they don't have...
I use my phone daily, and get a lot of use out of it.. I obviously am not as obsessed as many of the whinners, but I guess it gives them something to do.
Why don't all the folks whinning about not having 2.2 just start a thread *****ing about not having gingerbread..
. . . . This concludes another useless thread that doesn't not further the use of an Epic in anyway.. Please move along!!

Your whining about them makes it even worse
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Great idea!
socos25 said:
Why don't all the folks whinning about not having 2.2 just start a thread *****ing about not having gingerbread..
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Now this might do some real good! Sprint would be totally taken back and might think about shoving 2.2 out the door just to head off any *****ing about not having gingerbread.

socos25 said:
Seems to me every post on here lately is just people whining about what they don't have...
I use my phone daily, and get a lot of use out of it.. I obviously am not as obsessed as many of the whinners, but I guess it gives them something to do.
Why don't all the folks whinning about not having 2.2 just start a thread *****ing about not having gingerbread..
. . . . This concludes another useless thread that doesn't not further the use of an Epic in anyway.. Please move along!!
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Im verry happy with eclair and I hope we never get froyo especially gingerbread

socos25 said:
Seems to me every post on here lately is just people whining about what they don't have...
I use my phone daily, and get a lot of use out of it.. I obviously am not as obsessed as many of the whinners, but I guess it gives them something to do.
Why don't all the folks whinning about not having 2.2 just start a thread *****ing about not having gingerbread..
. . . . This concludes another useless thread that doesn't not further the use of an Epic in anyway.. Please move along!!
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lmao they already have. and yes everyone that owns this phone except for me and you is a whiney bish lmao

F*** off. Don't come on this forum if you dont like it.

The point is that this is one of Sprint's "top of the line" phones. Why don't I have the bells and whistles that the comperable Evo has? I paid a premium to have this device and all the features its capable of. I'd like to be able to enjoy those highlights.
On a side note if Samsung/Sprint did a little bit better job of keeping everyone in the loop on where they were with updates it wouldn't be such a big deal. I don't need specifics but a ballpark timeline would be nice. It's all about managing people's expectations.

they said they were rolling it out the 26-30th
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Grabs popcorn, You in the wrong forums yal better leave before we tear you a new ass in here lol. My boys got every right to ***** in here. If you don't like it get the hell out of here.

Nope; not I... I love the phone '& Froyo'

I still love this phone and have since launch. I'd rather have timely updates like the rest of us, but either way I think this phone is bad ass. I let everyone else QQ And just sit here and listen.

musclehead84 said:
F*** off. Don't come on this forum if you dont like it.
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Well said
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aver2one said:
they said they were rolling it out the 26-30th
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Beezer80 said:
The point is that this is one of Sprint's "top of the line" phones. Why don't I have the bells and whistles that the comperable Evo has? I paid a premium to have this device and all the features its capable of. I'd like to be able to enjoy those highlights.
On a side note if Samsung/Sprint did a little bit better job of keeping everyone in the loop on where they were with updates it wouldn't be such a big deal. I don't need specifics but a ballpark timeline would be nice. It's all about managing people's expectations.
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What will 2.2 allow you to enjoy that 2.1 doesn't that is covered under the premium?
Lol @ you people....
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musclehead84 said:
F*** off. Don't come on this forum if you dont like it.
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This would be one of the "bishes" described in this thread...
So tough...
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Quis89 said:
What will 2.2 allow you to enjoy that 2.1 doesn't that is covered under the premium?
Lol @ you people....
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Hopefully fix gps / keyboard issues. My gps locked like a glove on DK28 and closer than I have ever seen on DI18. I enjoyed the new style of text messaging too. Its all about user expierience. Flash would be nice too.
I ran the leaked DK28 build for awhile and enjoyed it quite a bit but it obviously wasn't finished. I'd like to give the finished product a run.

Im in no hurry for froyo til mobile ap starts working on it, wireless tether sucks ass in comoarison, also my gps works great on d118 the only thing froyo will bring me is flash and apps2sd which apps2sd is not even a big deal for me im nit running out of space or anything and my phone does everything I want my phone todo. I dont care if froyo officially doesnt come out til january 2012.
Sent from my awesome epic 4g

Quis89 said:
This would be one of the "bishes" described in this thread...
So tough...
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So you are going to let someone make a post calling you whiny and then take up for them? Lol where do these people come from. Op I love your post keep em coming

Quis89 said:
What will 2.2 allow you to enjoy that 2.1 doesn't that is covered under the premium?
Lol @ you people....
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The main thing I want it on my wife's Epic is for C2DM or cloud to device messaging for third party apps. I'd like it so that apps can use less battery power that do notifications among other things.
Also the JIT's kinda nice too..

I haven't done any complaining about it on the forum but one would think one of the best/most expensive android phones on the market would come with the latest version of Android. Anyway personally I went back to running 2.1 with Phoenix/Syndicate Rom after trying a whole slew of 2.2 ROMs. I'll just wait around for the official Froyo and try not to think about it....

Flashable 2.3 rom will never come 2 vibrant

It's starting to look like a 2.3 rom will never come to vibrant

Hdub said:
It's starting to look like a 2.3 rom will never come to vibrant
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I'm using CM7 right now, as are many others on this forum. It's up to you if you think it's a daily driver or not, but it's there, right now.

Patience, there's two people working on it (not together) xboarder, and krylon. Its hard to make a 2.3 from scratch.

Cm7 should be out of beta for i9000 pretty soon. Just be patient.

Remember when people questioned if the G1 would ever get updated? You know... the 3 year old Grandpa of all Android phones.
IT is running a newer version of the OS than my Vibrant. Have faith and patience man.

The same old 2.2 roms passing around, people editing icons & backgrounds, changing boot screens & apps. But at the end of the day there all froyo. eugene's macnutR14 is the most customized rom. bionix is nice but doesn't have video calls on the dialer. you can metamorph, ninjamorph, flash, push, oc your phone but its still 2.2 froyo
I want to see all the 2.3 gingerbread affects on vibrant the scrolling animation, the crt animation the camera app, the downloads app where they at holla
I can modify my own 2.2 rom theres so many to take stuff from. stop playing with each others roms work on 2.3 are you guys devs or are you editors cause it looks like besides a few your all editors
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Oh God here we go again...
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Okay, I'm starting to get annoyed at these kind of threads that come from ppl that obviously have no clue in what it takes to build a ROM from the ground on up. Just because android is open source doesn't mean that samsung's kernels are and we pretty much need compatible ones for our ROMs to work. Meanwhile, there are at least 2 teams working on gingerbread ROMs right now. I dunno about you but I'd rather have a fully stable 2.2/2.2.1 ROM out while we have the source than to take my chances and possibly brick my phone on a bug infested build of gingerbread.
Sent from my Bionix-V 1.2 powered Vibrant.

Hdub said:
...where they at holla
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I laughed at this.
You sound like a troll

I'm just upset that there is not honeycomb 3.0 rom that transforms your phone into a tablet is not out yet. i heard from the magical elf that sits on my shoulder that it would come out soon. that's why i say screw elves gnomes never lie to you.

Well I heard 2012 is the end of the world. I'm just wishing 2012 rolls around a lot faster then expected....
Aren't they only phones to have official 2.3 the nexus'? Quit yappin and start coding . Lol jk....

These devs work hard to get the new roms out. And to ask 'em to stopp bullcrapping and start on a new one is malarkey. Malarkey, I tells ya!
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Hdub said:
It's starting to look like a 2.3 rom will never come to vibrant
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Is this based on any real information or is this pure speculation caused by emotional insecurity?

This guy seems like a "pretty experienced dev" if you know what I mean...

dude where have you been?...TW did a port and its a flashable zip and it woeks wonders

thegreatcity said:
This guy seems like a "pretty experienced dev" if you know what I mean...
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"can you tell me what source is?" hahaha

Flash Cyanogenmod 7 and bam 2.3.2 they even throw in the nice screen lock effect so quit trolling

krylon360 said:
"can you tell me what source is?" hahaha
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That will be the funniest post for a long time to come.

Hexmaster93 said:
Flash Cyanogenmod 7 and bam 2.3.2 they even throw in the nice screen lock effect so quit trolling
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But do they have the screen on animation? No but seriously non cm7 does have it, but the video I saw it doesnt.
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its there scrizz didnt have it enabled i guess but go to settings ->cyanogenmod settings -> display and enable it

Master leaving Vibrant community

I read on masters twitter that he was selling his phone. He did say he would continue the axura project. I just want to know if hes still working miui.
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I'm sure he will be an asset to whatever dev community he decides to contribute next. He'll also get to do a fresh start without all the drama. Good luck Master, Axura was the first ROM I installed on my Vibrant.

BYE master, dude I loved your roms, I fell in love with Axura back in 2.1 days, you'll be missed, nut not forgotten, I'm sure I'll see you around.. SGS2 ;]

sweet! he better get a Optimus 2X.
maybe donations?

The MIUI has several devs on it.. JF being one of them, there will be updates for that (And I will still try to help with it as much as possible)
@Scrizz, You know what phone I am getting already LOL

hitman818 said:
I read on masters twitter that he was selling his phone. He did say he would continue the axura project. I just want to know if hes still working miui.
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Yep.. his phone is up on the marketplace....Hopefully more devs do not defect from the vibrant.
Master™ said:
The MIUI has several devs on it.. JF being one of them, there will be updates for that (And I will still try to help with it as much as possible)
@Scrizz, You know what phone I am getting already LOL
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Let me guess.... the nexus s.. If only they made a version that supported 850 and 1900 wcdma....
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Master™ said:
@Scrizz, You know what phone I am getting already LOL
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You still can't stop me from trying!
Can't wait for AxuraO2

Master™ said:
The MIUI has several devs on it.. JF being one of them, there will be updates for that (And I will still try to help with it as much as possible)
@Scrizz, You know what phone I am getting already LOL
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I know its probably not but was that "JF" for jesusfreke(sp?)
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jamesd86 said:
I know its probably not but was that "JF" for jesusfreke(sp?)
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JumaaneFace...

Master™ said:
JumaaneFace...
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I never tried your roms dude, but always read about your great work and you helped the vibrant a lot. It sucks your leaving, it was always nice to see the options.
Whatever you do.peace be with ya man.

Master,
thanks for all you work here. Axura is a great rom, not to mention your other contributions.

Sucks I finally try Axura and love it and you are leaving. Good work and good luck.

Truly sad to know you are leaving.... Axura has been the best ROM for my phone ever. I have tried almost all of them until Axura and never switched from it again.

umm master how's battery life on your yet to be gotten phone.

Going for the S2 Are we ?????.......hmmmmmmmmm ???

adamboyd83 said:
Sucks I finally try Axura and love it and you are leaving. Good work and good luck.
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Damn, I was thinking the same thing. I love Axura so much... sad to see you go.
Good luck with everything you do.

Dear master,
I love your roms, and now your leaving me....
So consider this as my suicide note.
I am currently hanging from a fan with a rope on my neck. All I have left to do is push yhe chair away.
I will wait for your response, and if its the wrong response... You know the rest.
But seriously don't leave.

xriderx66 said:
Dear master,
I love your roms, and now your leaving me....
So consider this as my suicide note.
I am currently hanging from a fan with a rope on my neck. All I have left to do is push yhe chair away.
I will wait for your response, and if its the wrong response... You know the rest.
But seriously don't leave.
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don't worry the trolls in the truck will hold up the chair.

That's too bad Bye Master.
Hopefully whoever picks up the MIUI project can give us an update soon.

I'm a n00b, but wanted to give Master some love. Axura has been my daily driver since I got the Vibrant and has done nothing but meet or exceed expectations. Good luck.
BTW, with CM7 working its way to the Vibrant he may have picked a good time to bail.

Here's the deal dude

I'm going to go get the evo this weekend because Verizon is or has been to exspensive. I've been doing the proper research for root and I think I got that down for the most part. I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with the amount of roms you guys have compared to the dx. I'm addicted to flashing roms which is very frustrating when it comes to the dx as there is such lack of roms for it, oh well who fukin cares cry your self a river build a bridge and get over it..so here's my question . Can I flash different roms over top of each other??? Like for instance from cm7 to whatever rom. I know you have to wipe data and stuff already. Is there anything important I need to know??? Thanks
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Unless you want dialuo 3G speeds and worthless 4G, don't touch sprint with a 19 foot pole.
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Hrshycro said:
Unless you want dialuo 3G speeds and worthless 4G, don't touch sprint with a 19 foot pole.
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Strange, he didn't say anything asking for opinions of Sprint.

stevo760 said:
I'm going to go get the evo this weekend because Verizon is or has been to exspensive. I've been doing the proper research for root and I think I got that down for the most part. I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with the amount of roms you guys have compared to the dx. I'm addicted to flashing roms which is very frustrating when it comes to the dx as there is such lack of roms for it, oh well who fukin cares cry your self a river build a bridge and get over it..so here's my question . Can I flash different roms over top of each other??? Like for instance from cm7 to whatever rom. I know you have to wipe data and stuff already. Is there anything important I need to know??? Thanks
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What do you mean by "on top"??

Hrshycro said:
worthless 4G
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lol... my 4G is 6x faster than my friends incredible ...

Switching from one rom to another rom. Not combining roms.
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Hrshycro said:
Unless you want dialuo 3G speeds and worthless 4G, don't touch sprint with a 19 foot pole.
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What he said.
i would recommend you browse the Evo general forum and you will know what we mean.sprint's data speeds have been horrible for the past 3 months or so,and this seems to be a nationwide problem and not an isolated issue.

stevo760 said:
I'm going to go get the evo this weekend because Verizon is or has been to exspensive. I've been doing the proper research for root and I think I got that down for the most part. I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with the amount of roms you guys have compared to the dx. I'm addicted to flashing roms which is very frustrating when it comes to the dx as there is such lack of roms for it, oh well who fukin cares cry your self a river build a bridge and get over it..so here's my question . Can I flash different roms over top of each other??? Like for instance from cm7 to whatever rom. I know you have to wipe data and stuff already. Is there anything important I need to know??? Thanks
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As you can see, we have our share of trolls here on the EVO side of XDA but you should be used to that by now coming from DX. These low-lifes are rampant on these forums, just ignore them and you will be ok...
Regarding your question. Technically, if you are flashing a newer version of a rom like say going to CM7 2.2 coming from 2.1, technically you do not have to wipe everything, just dalvic cache but if you are flashing a completely new rom then it's best to completely wipe everything. There is a zip called "format all" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=785271
somewhere in the OP in this link, and you can just flash that zip before you go to a new rom and it automatically wipes absolutely everything for you, so you won't have to worry.
I highly recommend you use the format all zip before every rom update or change, just to be safe. And make sure you create a nand backup before hand.
Welcome to the dark side! I'm sure you will love your evo!
P.S if you're looking for roms to try out, particularly AOSP, I highly recommend MIUI. For a sense rom, go with any of Calkulins.
Let me know if you need anything else.

Come on dude is sprint really that bad??? I'm on wifi most of the time anyways. If its really that slow ill just take it back and if the wont take it back then ill show them how slow my car can drive through there window accidently and my peice of **** car drives pretty slow. It might not get me a new phone but atleast I can say I tried
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So what's the deal pickle?

NYCguy2020 said:
What he said.
i would recommend you browse the Evo general forum and you will know what we mean.sprint's data speeds have been horrible for the past 3 months or so,and this seems to be a nationwide problem and not an isolated issue.
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That has been acknowledged and is being worked on and will no doubt certainly be fixed soon.
Also, refunds are issued for those with the issue.

stevo760 said:
Come on dude is sprint really that bad??? I'm on wifi most of the time anyways. If its really that slow ill just take it back and if the wont take it back then ill show them how slow my car can drive through there window accidently and my peice of **** car drives pretty slow. It might not get me a new phone but atleast I can say I tried
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There have been SOME data issues, I'm one of them that OS having it, but its only a temporary issue they are working on.

stevo760 said:
Come on dude is sprint really that bad??? I'm on wifi most of the time anyways. If its really that slow ill just take it back and if the wont take it back then ill show them how slow my car can drive through there window accidently and my peice of **** car drives pretty slow. It might not get me a new phone but atleast I can say I tried
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I'm telling you man, do not get into any kind of conversations with some of these folks. Their goals in life are to literally be useless. Ignore them and just do what you gotta do. Don't let anyone alter your decision.

Disregard what the morons are saying about Sprint. Sprint is by far the best value in wireless services. The amount of money you'll be saving will more than make up for any tiny nuisances you'll find with Sprint. Besides, you have 30 days to try out to see if you like it. If you feel it's not worth it to you, just leave and go back... no questions asked.

The EVO is kinda old news now. I would wait for the next big dual core android with AMOLED action. And the number of roms for EVO actually is not all that impressive. Most of them are regurgitations of others. There are a couple of good sense options (although I think rooted stock sense is best) and then there is cyanogen.... which is the best there is IMO... And now it has the extra G.... not that the 4G has been very useful to me.

I average 1.5 to 1.6 Mbps down and 600 to 800 Kbps up.
That ain't bad for 3G.

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Strange, he didn't say anything asking for opinions of Sprint.
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God forbid, right?
- My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.

I'm in San Diego particularly escondido. are my going to get 4g or not ??? I looked and couldn't figure it out.
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matt2053 said:
I average 1.5 to 1.6 Mbps down and 600 to 800 Kbps up.
That ain't bad for 3G.
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Yep me too. Occasionally it will be really slow but that only lasts for minutes.
@OP- Answer to your original question- Yes, you can flash ROM after ROM but you need to wipe in between flashing. One of our awesome devs Calkulin made a script that formats everything completely that is an awesome tool to use before flashing. Makes for a good clean install. You can find it in his mods thread in the theme section.

HondaCop said:
God forbid, right?
- My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
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Yes, god forbid people take the thread off topic.
He didn't ask for opinions.
He asked about ROM flashing.
God forbid people keep on topic.