I wasn't sure which forum to put this in. I am using my Evo as my primary PMP as well as my phone. I wanted to have a thread with tips/info/help on video coversion formats, bitrates, resolutions to optimize space and maintain great viewing. I use FormatFactory to convert my videos. I did some reading and converted a lot of my videos again but this time to a 720x480 res with 1024bitrate H.264 format. I had some videos that were already H.264 but 480x272 600bitrate. I have found that these smaller videos look just as good to me on the Evo as the larger bitrate counterpart. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just my eyes?
I'm very interested in getting some specs/guidelines for encoding also. Currently I just throw any avi file in there and it works great. But most of my library is h.264/x.264 HD in mkv format. I would love to be able to get some of that stuff working on this phone. Work is boring and I need something to keep me awake lol.
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All of my H.264 files are in mp4 format.
Not all H.264 format will play on the EVO. They cannot play H.264 format that uses a high and/or some main profiles. The baseline profile always seem to work though. If you download a program called "mediainfo" it will show the the H.264 profile that the video is encoded in.
Rockplayer is good for playing all kinds of media on the EVO. Unfortunately I find the audio lag (most of the time) very annoying and thus ruining the experience.
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Not all H.264 format will play on the EVO. They cannot play H.264 format that uses a high and/or some main profiles. The baseline profile always seem to work though. If you download a program called "mediainfo" it will show the the H.264 profile that the video is encoded in.
Rockplayer is good for playing all kinds of media on the EVO. Unfortunately I find the audio lag (most of the time) very annoying and thus ruining the experience.
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Ah! That is great to know. I couldn't figure out why some of the h264 stuff I had would work and some wouldn't. Now I just gotta check to see if that's the reason. And I love rock player, plays just about anything.
Only gripe I have is that it seems to have trouble with mkv files. They're very blocky and distorted. It could be the way they are encoded, but I'm not sure
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I have found that having 2 media players is better than one. My past experience was that while one player has audio lag, another will not have lag when playing the same file.
I am currently testing a conversion using a smaller bitrate. I have been using 1024 for the h.264 bitrate. I am converting a video using a bitrate of 768 but I am using a 2 pass encode instead of a single pass. I will post the results.
Its pointless to do two pass as you can't really tell the difference on an evo. You might be able to see the difference on a 40+ inch TV. If I plan to use the video on the evo and tv I usually go with a 1200 bitrate for standard videos and 1400 bitrate for action videos. All my videos are one pass only. For the evo 700 bitrate should be enough.
I just use Rockplayer, no need for transcode--it just plays! (720p stuff stutters though)
I transcode my files to save space on my sd card. I have found that the 768 bitrate works good for me. I have always done the 2 pass encode on any action films even at what I call "normal" bitrates. Everything looks great on this phone.
I haven't experimented with video much, but for audio, i use 40 kbit/s. I have 11k songs on my phone with plenty of room to spare (18/32gb used), and noone notices the quality if i play the songs on a stereo or receiver at a party.
You can definitely hear a difference in a 40kbs mp3. Are u sure it is 40kbs? I would imagine that would sound awful.
If you are an audiophile, you wouldn't be happy. I keep my computer audio at 320 if at all possible, but honestly, 40 done right is considered "telephone" quality. I'd be dumb to professionally DJ at that low, and yes you'd hear a difference in a comparison, but I assure you if you busted out your evo in any social situation and played a few tracks at 40 on speakerphone alone, most would be impressed... unless said friends were audiophiles.
And by telephone, I mean the quality of audio you'd expect to hear on a landline telephone conversation. You could always experiment and use 80 96 or 128, I found 40 was nice for me and 32 too low.
i find rockplayer very good but none of my 500+ 720p mkv files will play without stutter it could be that the audio decoder cant handle the audio more then likely i havent tried remuxing with stereo AAC audio yet because most times i prefer avi divx rips on phone since only thing i watch on phone is latest tv episodes i usually download hdtv rips from like FQM or LOL and they work flawless no encoding necessary and there small and i can download right to phone while at work without having to plan ahead but one program i have found that works great with mkv is
Daniusoft Video Converter Ultimate
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Output Device Support
Apple iPod touch 4, iPod nano, iPod classic, iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4 HD, iPad, iPad HD, Apple TV, Apple TV HD
HTC Droid Incredible, Droid2, Droid Eris, Desire, Hero, Legend, Wildfire, Magic Tattoo, Dream T-Mobile G1, Mytouch 3G, Diamond, HTC HD2, EVO 4G, Android OS, HTC Aria
Motorola Droid, i1, XT720, Milestone, CLIQ, CLIQ XT, DEVOUR, Flipout, BACKFLIP, DEXT, Quench
Nokia N900, X6, X3, 5800 XpressMusic, E63, 5230, E72, N97, N95, N73
BlackBerry Tour series, Storm series, Bold series, Curve 8900, Curve 8500, Curve 8300, Curve 8310, Pearl Flip, Pearl 8800, Pearl 3G, Pearl 8100, Blackberry Torch 9800
Game Hardware PSP, PS3, PS3 HD, Xbox 360, Xbox 360 HD, Wii, NDS
Microsoft Zune Zune, Zune HD
Mobile Phones Nexus one, Samsung i7500, 3GP, 3GP2, Pocket PC, Palm Pre, HP IPAQ, Palm Pixi, Samsung Behold, Samsung Moment, Samsung Galaxy Spica, Sumsang Vibrant, Sumsang Captivate, LG Prime, LG enV touch VX1 1000, LG Xenon GR500, LG KP500, Sony Ericssion XPERIA x10
Archos Archos 7, Archos 5, Archos 605/704/705, Archos 504/604, Archos 404/405, Archos AV500/AV700, Archos 105, Archos Player
Creative ZEN ZEN X-Fi, ZEN X-Fi2, ZEN VPLUS, Creative Version, Creative MX
Sandisk Sansa E200 serise, View, Fuze
Media Players SONY Walkman, Dell Player, iRiver P7, iRiver SPINN, iRiver E100
i ripped all of Battlestar Galactica season 1 from 720p mkv (2GB per episode to around 400 MB per episode)and was amazing quality with this program
heres some programs for you to check out if u want to get into encoding
tsmuxer
mkvtoolnix
avisynth
ripbotx264
StaxRip
AlltoAVI
MP4Box
Gotsent
MEGUI
these are itunes hd settigns and un drmed itunes hd plays flawless on evo
if u encode to these settings depending on source it works perfect on evo
another tip if u buy tv shows on itunes and want to undrm use requiem or tunebite
then just drag and drop onto sd and your set
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Overall bit rate : 4 664 Kbps
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : drmi
Duration : 43mn 40s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 116 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.186
Stream size : 1.26 GiB (88%)
use Handbrake to encode it using the Iphone/Ipod Touch presets. It comes out PERFECT every time.
I've found that I can get decent, watchable quality MP4 files with the following Handbrake settings. And by watchable, I mean, just having something to look at while traveling. I won't be routing video out via hdmi.
Picture tab:
Anamorphic - None
Keep aspect ration - checked
Width - 480 (let height take care of itself)
Video tab:
Codec - H.264
Framerate - Same as source
Constant Quality - Drop the slider to 50%
Audio tab:
Sample rate - 44.1
Bitrate - 96
All other tabs and settings remain at their stock defaults.
I'm getting 4Gb DVD .vob files shrunk down to about 250Mb. So there's plenty of room for quite a few full length movies on the SD card.
Using Rockplayer, I don't get any video pauses/ripping or audio skipping at all.
I use format factory to create my H.264 videos and it works great as well. I use these custom settings:
VideoCodec=AVC(H264)
VideoBitrate=768000
Width=720
Height=480
FPS=23.976
AspectRatio=0.000
AudioCodec=AAC
AudioBitrate=160000
SampleRate=44100
Channel=2
Volume=3
I am trying to find the perfect bitrate to filesize ratio. The 768 bitrate single pass encoding gives very good quality when viewed on the Evo. I am going to try to test 640 single pass and 512 2-pass and see how the quality compares. I want to find the lowest bitrate that still looks good on the Evo(no pixelation or blurry images) in order to maximize the disc space. If I am going to be using my Evo for my pmp as well as my phone/internet device/part time game system, I need as much storage space as I can get.
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I have tried loads of converters and can get GOOD quality videos if i like with no lip sync problems but i want EXCELLENT quality video like the encodes i had for my HD2 but just can't find a stable converter which works all the time.
The best video quality i can get is by using....
Winmenc then DVD Catalyst 3 then Any dvd Converter.
I can get stunning video from Winmenc but some clips either dont display the picture on the phone or have lipsync problems.
DVD Catalyst comes a close second for video quality and all clips play but still get lip sync problems.
Any dvd converter gives good quality video with no lip sync problems but picture is nowhere as good as Winmenc.
Anybody got any custom profiles or programs to get excellent quality video with no lip sync problems?
Thanks for any help
Try this..http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478050
I absolutely love it
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Try this..http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478050
I absolutely love it
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Thanks
I think i may have tried an older version of this.....will give it another go.
What profile are you using?
Cheers.
I've been using Super(c) for years with custom profiles and it works as perfect as anything I've yet heard about or seen. Plenty of such settings can be adjusted in it perfectly.
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I use AnyDvD Converter Pro, playback is flawless using the following settings:
VIDEO
custom mp4
800x480 (or any other scaled resolution with 800px width that preserves the aspect ratio, unless source was low res to begin with, in which case i'll stick to the source's original res)
x264 video encoding
bitrate 2000kbps (again,provided the original bitrate was higher of course, otherwise,source's value )
25/23.97fps depending on source of course
AUDIO
aac audio encoding
bitrate 320kbps
sampling 48000/44100 depending on source
2 channels
I have converted uber quality 1080p rips ( 20-30Gb worth, 20-25Mbps video bitrate, 1536+kbps 7.1 DTSHD audio) with these settings, and the results are GREAT . I havent tried pushing the video bitrate any higher, but it might playback nicely with higher values as well.
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I use AnyDvD Converter Pro, playback is flawless using the following settings:
VIDEO
custom mp4
800x480 (or any other scaled resolution with 800px width that preserves the aspect ratio, unless source was low res to begin with, in which case i'll stick to the source's original res)
x264 video encoding
bitrate 2000kbps (again,provided the original bitrate was higher of course, otherwise,source's value )
25/23.97fps depending on source of course
AUDIO
aac audio encoding
bitrate 320kbps
sampling 48000/44100 depending on source
2 channels
I have converted uber quality 1080p rips ( 20-30Gb worth, 20-25Mbps video bitrate, 1536+kbps 7.1 DTSHD audio) with these settings, and the results are GREAT . I havent tried pushing the video bitrate any higher, but it might playback nicely with higher values as well.
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Is it possible for you to upload a sample video encoded with above settings to try on our desires??
Double Twist
Why don't you try to use DoubleTwist?
It looks like iTunes, and when you sync any type of movie or audio with Desire, it will convert to the format that Desire can play. Just like that, no need to configure anything.
It also run quite fast, and it's free!
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Thanks
I think i may have tried an older version of this.....will give it another go.
What profile are you using?
Cheers.
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Diamond but changed a little bit, max res is 800x480, veryhigh, x.264 one pass
MacCarron said:
I use AnyDvD Converter Pro, playback is flawless using the following settings:
VIDEO
custom mp4
800x480 (or any other scaled resolution with 800px width that preserves the aspect ratio, unless source was low res to begin with, in which case i'll stick to the source's original res)
x264 video encoding
bitrate 2000kbps (again,provided the original bitrate was higher of course, otherwise,source's value )
25/23.97fps depending on source of course
AUDIO
aac audio encoding
bitrate 320kbps
sampling 48000/44100 depending on source
2 channels
I have converted uber quality 1080p rips ( 20-30Gb worth, 20-25Mbps video bitrate, 1536+kbps 7.1 DTSHD audio) with these settings, and the results are GREAT . I havent tried pushing the video bitrate any higher, but it might playback nicely with higher values as well.
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1500 is more than enough, I use 1000kbps and video is fantastic
i will try with 1500, but I think that is overkill too
Does AnyDvD Converter Pro supports subtitles?
Thanks for the replies
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I've been using Super(c) for years with custom profiles and it works as perfect as anything I've yet heard about or seen. Plenty of such settings can be adjusted in it perfectly.
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You got some settings you could pass on for Super?....i have never got great results with it.
Cheers.
I have encoded this Lady Gaga clip using the settings mentioned here with Winmenc, Any DVD Converter Pro and MP4forHD
Winmenc i think still has much better picture quality but lip sync is way out, especially if you fast forward or back....
Any DVD looks great to but i think the lip sync is slightly out....
And MP4forHD looks great and plays fine when i set audio delay to 0.3.
Any DVD Converter....
http://rapidshare.com/files/389703402/Any.mp4
MP4forHD....
http://rapidshare.com/files/389712600/MP4ForHD.mp4
winmenc.....
http://rapidshare.com/files/389707134/winmenc.mp4
Maybe someone here could modify this profile for winmenc to get the lip sync sorted....
http://rapidshare.com/files/389723529/_0-HTC_HD2__MP4_H264_800x480_2000kbps_Sharpened__AAC_44Khz_96kbps.ini
All credit goes to the person that made this profile for the HD2.
Cheers.
Sorry for the late reply, here are the megaupload links to a couple of video clips i've encoded using the preset i posted yesterday. Souce was a 1080p BRrip in both cases.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=V8TPXP3T
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3V318NMP
The Transformers' souce had a subtitle track and it was embedded in the rip, so that answers the previous question about subs. I have yet to check if subtitles can be disabled, but i guess it can be done (in my case, i am interested in plain english audio tracks, i don't even know what language is that )
edit: for some weird reasons the audio is noticeably out of sync WHEN PLAYED ON A PC...they are perfect on the Desire though. Pretty weird, last time i checked my pc kicks asses so the problem must be resting in the mp4 container..
You got some settings you could pass on for Super?....i have never got great results with it.
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I'll upload the profile for you when I get back on the PC (by weekend). I change some things around with every vid though, depending on its properties. Too many internal coder settings you can tweak for slight visual/acoustic differences including how much to raise the sound in db and how much of the clip to cut out.
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th3 said:
I'll upload the profile for you when I get back on the PC (by weekend). I change some things around with every vid though, depending on its properties. Too many internal coder settings you can tweak for slight visual/acoustic differences including how much to raise the sound in db and how much of the clip to cut out.
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Ok Thanks
Just to quickly add - I don't tend to use automated profiles although I know it's what most are after (quickest).
What do you think of YouTube HD? Good enough quality for you or, you'd like better?
I had a quick look at your upload vid properties and they have different internal recode settings and different end file sizes. As such, a true cross-comparison is very difficult (all things kept consistent, the stream with the highest bit-rate and file size will have better visuals). The point of transcoding really is to keep the file size as small as possible with video and audio at your accepted levels -- that level differs for everyone depending on a variety if factors. Many YouTube HD vids are for instance only 480-560 Kbps streams. But all things which impact quality were not automatically kept fixed in these transcodes. Your vids were;
1) Any
Duration : 2mn 1s
Overall bit rate : 2,091 Kbps
Video
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1,865 Kbps
Width : 800 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.194
Stream size : 27.1 MiB (89%)
2) MP4
Duration : 2mn 1s
Overall bit rate : 1,994 Kbps
Video
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1,544 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 2,932 Kbps
Width : 800 pixels
Height : 448 pixels
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.172
Stream size : 27.0 MiB (93%)
3) Winmec
Duration : 2mn 1s
Overall bit rate : 2,713 Kbps
(missing vital info it would not show here)
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2,579 Kbps
Width : 800 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.269
Stream size : 37.4 MiB (95%)
So the Winmec transcode should have much better visuals than the other two here, even just looking at the empirical data, however, how much of that better-ness is perceptible to untrained and trained human eyes? Judging by mass-accepted online "HD" video, usually not much - and on portable phones - even less (perceptible difference threshold decreases with decreasing display size).
I'll upload a few transcodes using different settings... see which you feel is better (on the intended phone).
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Thanks for the info.
Another update:
Looks like your A/V sync issues are caused by too high bit-rate video streams being too power demanding on the hardware of the phone and so the CPU can't keep up. While running some test encodes for the post I had promised, upon checking playback on the Desire, I noticed getting the same A/V sync problems which don't exist on the Desktop. Dropping the video bit-rate alleviated that problem completely albeit the visual quality dropped too. I better check the vids in the default player too just to be sure now (I use Act 1 or Meridian video players mainly). So do keep in mind that higher bit-rate video playback requires more hardware power and hence much higher battery usage than lower bit-rate.
At the moment, I'm stuck with the latest update I've just installed for Super(c) not changing internal codec settings no matter what options I choose (same Lady Gaga 1080p video taken from a Blu-ray rip). Very strange. Just working on getting that running before posting some transcodes. Bear with me, please...
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sorry if this is irrelevant but how do i hardcode subtitles with mp4hd?
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sorry if this is irrelevant but how do i hardcode subtitles with mp4hd?
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You just need the srt file with the same name as the movie in a folder and have the srt option selected in the edit settings of MP4forHD.
maybe I forgot the language selection..I'm trying again now, thanks
Hello DHD owners
I've got my DHD today. I'm familiar with Android as I have used Leo and Desire with same OS. Now I really like the screen on DHD! I want to convert movies and other epic movies/clips I have on my PC. Last year I've ripped all my DVDs to my external hardrive.
Which settings and converter program is best?
Size is not a big deal, 32GB here, quality matters
I'm on costum ROM, overclocked to 1,5GHz. Just so make clear I won't have any issues with playback for lager file sizes. I remember I had this on my Leo while I was on WINMO. :/
Thanks for your time
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Haha same. The HD2 was the only WinMo phone I actually enjoyed using! Hmmmm well you can convert videos in either 800x480 or 720p, as the Desire HD can playback both. However our phone has a screen res of 800x480, so best to go with the native res. Anyways, for high quality, I always use MP4 video format. Codec, Mp4 or h264. Bitrate, CBR. Approx. 1500kbps. Sound, 128-320kbps. You can also crop video to remove black bars, that's your choice. My arsenal of video converters includes: Pinnacle Studio, AVS, and most of the time DVDPean and Xilisoft Video Converter Ultimate. Hope I helped
Note, too high values for audio and video bitrate can cause your device to lag. Keeping your phone OC'd above 1.22ghz while watching a video for 1hr plus may severely overheat your phone.
I found this app. Free Video to Android Converter
It looks a little silly, and nags you everytime you exit, but it makes beautiful movies at native res (800x480) from just about any format (avi,mp4,mkv,mov,wmv). It's also a bit slow, due to only using 1 core (I got 8 on i7).
All converted movies can play in the default player, with hardware decoding of course.
The settings I use is the preset for HTC Desire, Nexus One. Havent had to try any other formats.
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Haha same. The HD2 was the only WinMo phone I actually enjoyed using! Hmmmm well you can convert videos in either 800x480 or 720p, as the Desire HD can playback both. However our phone has a screen res of 800x480, so best to go with the native res. Anyways, for high quality, I always use MP4 video format. Codec, Mp4 or h264. Bitrate, CBR. Approx. 1500kbps. Sound, 128-320kbps. You can also crop video to remove black bars, that's your choice. My arsenal of video converters includes: Pinnacle Studio, AVS, and most of the time DVDPean and Xilisoft Video Converter Ultimate. Hope I helped
Note, too high values for audio and video bitrate can cause your device to lag. Keeping your phone OC'd above 1.22ghz while watching a video for 1hr plus may severely overheat your phone.
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I play games on my phone @ 1,5Ghz Or, I did on my Leo. It did get pretty hot(!) but never caused a damage. So I think it will be safe Atleast, I hope so
I'll try this settings when I get home. I do a bit video editing, I usually use Sony Vegeas PRO. You can check here, I have only one video on this account, but few more in my other. www.youtube.com/user/ITuNaYI
I'll check if I can do it with Sony Vegas PRO!
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I found this app. Free Video to Android Converter
It looks a little silly, and nags you everytime you exit, but it makes beautiful movies at native res (800x480) from just about any format (avi,mp4,mkv,mov,wmv). It's also a bit slow, due to only using 1 core (I got 8 on i7).
All converted movies can play in the default player, with hardware decoding of course.
The settings I use is the preset for HTC Desire, Nexus One. Havent had to try any other formats.
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I'll check this as well when I get home
i think format factory is the way to go, just use native resolution 800 x 480
Looool! Damn I miss GTA IV...so fun when first released, now everyone's on COD
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Looool! Damn I miss GTA IV...so fun when first released, now everyone's on COD
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lol
I still play GTA IV, have done that for 3 years now. And there is a few pro players left. But it is like, everyone knows everybody. I also do have CoD BO, but not fun as GTA IV. Sub for more vids
DHD native player doesn't play flv format. Unconverted 700Mb video doesn't play smoothly on my DHD. It seems to lag badly.
I have no problems playing video's on my DHD.
It's still stock and i use Rockplayer to play video's.
I download a TV-show from the internets and i put it on my phone and it plays almost without lag.
Okay, guys, I'm back now. I had to flash a new ROM as it did not support HQ video playback. Now, I'm on Android Revolution HD, with LeeDroid Kernel. Overclocked to 2Ghz (!) I'm getting exlent performance.
I had totally forgot that I had Any Video Converter Professional, bought years ago. However, I'm now converthing a 1h 16m long Top Gear epsiode, just to give it a try.
Settings are;
Video Codec: mpeg4
800x480
Video Bitrate: 2500 (just testing it out )
Video Framrate: 25 (what do you think? This is default, should I change it?)
Audio Bitrate: 320
Sample Rate: 44100 (?)
EDIT!
I've rolled back to 1,2Ghz, as I did really not see any big improvment @ 2Ghz. Heat vs. performance ratio is not worth it.
However, I'm still converting that video. The problem is that the output file is about 1GB now And the input is 699 MB
It must be the high video bitrate!
UPDATE:
The quality is amazing! The final size was 1,44GB. But it is just perfect! I'm now converting even more
yet another UPDATE:
The avi files I have converted is in amazing quality. Now I'm converthing a Blueray movie. Lets see how this ends up
I'm a new Xoom owner and am for the most part pleased with the device.
My only sore spot is with the inability to play high profile or even main profile h.264 720p videos. Hell it can't even play high or main profile 480p videos without a certain amount of stuttering.
All over the Xoom forums we're hearing everything from "it's impossible because of Tegra 2 limitations" to "it just needs a new codec/video player", and many people saying that the Notion Ink Adam had the same issue, but that it was solved with a firmware update.
What I'm looking for is a straight answer, from someone who both owns a Notion Ink Adam and who knows enough about h.264 to know what high profile means.
Did the Notion Ink Adam receive a FW update that allowed it to play high profile 720p video.
I saw a video of the notion ink adam playing very choppy 720p (the bird scene from Planet Earth) but that video was poorly encoded and an unrealistic benchmark for any mobile device. (9 reference frames? Come on!)
No its laggy at the moment, tried every mkv player out there and everyone had its own issues.. from not starting to locking, to not able to play the file to finally I had one play but it was laggy and overall not enjoyable.
I think software decoding optimized for the tegra is probably the quickest solution for now. I don't think anyone saw android moving onto tablets this quickly or people trying to playing a 2-3 gb files this quickly
Btw I would love to see a PC video player like PowetDVD make a real video player for android
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No its laggy at the moment, tried every mkv player out there and everyone had its own issues.. from not starting to locking, to not able to play the file to finally I had one play but it was laggy and overall not enjoyable.
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Which ROM / NI version were you using?
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Which ROM / NI version were you using?
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Utopia beta 1. I didnt do as much testing on stock roms....i saw that video vs the xoom and he was able to do it but i didnt catch what player he was using....he just set it to software decoding mode as mentioned above...
I did get one my files to play with sound but it still was laggy. High def robot chicken episode.
Just tested with the latest build NIA920040311 and the stock VideoPlayer
It plays the following H.264 720p very choppy and no sound:
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Muxing mode : Container [email protected]
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 47mn
Bit rate : 3 913 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 528 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.241
Stream size : 2.93 GiB (88%)
Language : English
Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 47mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 344 MiB (10%)
i played a 720p mpeg4 file from my usb 500gb hard drive and it played fine using stock video player
Can anyone read mkv files here? :-$
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i played a 720p mpeg4 file from my usb 500gb hard drive and it played fine using stock video player
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Can you check with MediaInfo and post details of the media format?
If you change the extension of the file from .mkv to .avi you can see the video, but as said above the decoder to mkv is not properly optimized.
No rename is required, the stock video player read .mkv but I am not sure if it use software or hardware mode to play it. It's like slow motion and without sound for a 720p h.264 L3.1 High Profile 4000Kbps video.
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I'm a new Xoom owner and am for the most part pleased with the device.
My only sore spot is with the inability to play high profile or even main profile h.264 720p videos. Hell it can't even play high or main profile 480p videos without a certain amount of stuttering.
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Not sure about the Xoom... a buddy of mine on a video forum (Creative Cow) has a Xoom, and found it was ok with base profile 720/30p at 3Mb/s or less, but started choking much beyond that. I've only had my Adam since Friday, but grabbed a bit of handy video to test it out myself. From a plain old USB stick, the Adam did a 720/[email protected]/s file perfectly, both MP4/AVC and WMV9. I tried another file I had around, 720/[email protected]/s, but it only played at 30fps... thus, slow motion.
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All over the Xoom forums we're hearing everything from "it's impossible because of Tegra 2 limitations" to "it just needs a new codec/video player", and many people saying that the Notion Ink Adam had the same issue, but that it was solved with a firmware update.
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No question the Xoom seems to have some issues, and some of that could be the incompleteness of Honeycomb fine-tuning. Given that the problems I had heard previously were seen with fairly low bitrate 720p, I would at least check the speed on your Xoom's memory (internal?). Shouldn't be an issue... SD Tools benchmarked the Adam's internal "SD Drive" at 160MB/s-200MB/s reads (10MB/s writes). Android 2.2 is still unsophisticated about devices at the GUI level -- cannot yet point the same benchmark at external flash or USB. Probably not an issue, but worth eliminating as one.
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What I'm looking for is a straight answer, from someone who both owns a Notion Ink Adam and who knows enough about h.264 to know what high profile means.
Did the Notion Ink Adam receive a FW update that allowed it to play high profile 720p video.
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So I made a bunch of AVC files. All come from an original AVCHD track, 1080/24p, 24Mb/s, shot on a Panasonic HMC40 camcorder. All rendering using the Sony Vegas 10 and the Sony AVC CODEC.
I rendered 720p and 1080p files, put them on a USB stick, and played them on my Adam. None of the 1080p stuff played perfectly on the Adam.... 1080/24p baseline at at 4Mb/s was just a bit off. All of the 720/24p videos did just dandy at 4Mb/s, even the High profile. Going to higher bitrates, I have some 720/24p baseline holding together at 6Mb/s, some lagging behind the audio -- sure looks like the player (NI player, Android default, and the ES File Explorer video player work identically -- they're all accessing the same OS components) doesn't drop frames when it can't keep up. So the audio walks away from the video. It gets worse at higher bitrates... presumably, more frames are not staying in sync.
So it looks jittery... just a little off from being "real". I'll wager most people would be completely happy with 6Mb/s, or even the 4Mb/s 1080p baseline, if the player did a proper job of staying in sync... you don't notice the occasional dropped frame, but at least if you're a musician, you'll be bothered by audio being off even a few milliseconds. Didn't help that my subject was my friend Pat playing guitar... pretty obvious when mouth and fingers don't match the sound... and when the sound ends, but video keeps going (the files are, of course, in sync on the PC). I started with a USB stick, but got the same results on the "external" SD Card, which on my system is a 32GB Class 10 card, plenty fast enough for this.
So I think a properly encoded 720/24-30p video at 4Mb/s or so is the sweet spot for today's Adam, and in theory other Tegra2 systems. You might manage a bit higher bitrate, but not too much. If they fix the player with a proper frame drop trick play function, higher bitrate video would probably look just dandy, even if it's dropping the occasional frame to stay in sync.
I wonder if Tegra2 processor is fast enough to decode 720p high profile in software. It's a two core 1Ghz processor - I remember that my Duron 1000 was almost certainly not able to decode h264 but Athlon 1400Mhz (one core) was close if I remember correctly. ARMs are probably much slower than Athlons but in decoding videos the difference shouldn't count as much (because it's probably straight forward computing without many conditional instructions)...
Looking to convert some vids over to load on Atrix. What is the max width, height, framerate and bit rate that the Atrix will play. Looking for best pic and sound, not necessarily concerned with size?
1 more thing, what is the best App to use to convert ?
Thanks from a newbie Atrix owner!
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Listed below is the H.264 profiles supported
Baseline Profile up to 1080P, 20Mbps
Main Profile :
Progressive, CAVLC, no WP up to 1080P, 20Mbps
Progressive, CABAC, no WP up to 720P, 4-6Mbps
Progressive, CABAC, WP up to 480P, 2Mbps
Progressive, CAVLC, WP up to 480P, 2Mbps
Interlaced, CABAC,no WP up to D1, 3 mbps
High Profile
Progressive, CABAC, no WP up to 720P, 2 Mbps
Progressive, CAVLC, no WP up to 720P, 2 Mbps
Progressive, CABAC, WP up to 480P, 2Mbps
Progressive, CAVLC, WP up to 480P, 2Mbps
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This list is accurate. MKV containers are not supported. They do have to be an MP4.
As far as a program that can transcode your stuff.... handbrake is good... I use Megui on my windows based desktop because avisynth is very flexible
(Megui link for all interested: http://sourceforge.net/projects/megui/ )
Also, i have a video sitting on my phone that is some weird res... like 1904x976... as long as its resized mod16 you should be fine...
There is a thread debating this from a couple days ago. My suggestion is get megui, use the x264 main profile for video and get nero aac for audio. Have fun~~
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I'm on win 7, I use this GPU accelerated video encoder called Badaboom2 from Elemental Technologies. The 2.0 version will offer additional profiles, i simply drag the movies you currently have: mkv, avi, divx, wmv. or if you have a DVD movie you want to convert. After drag and drop, select the output:
Output: Motorola Xoom
Profile: Baseline
Level: Auto
Highest Quality @ 3500kbit
Resolution: 1280x720
Aspect Ratio: Fill to Aspect
Now, this is assuming that you are going to convert/transcode HD videos as source for HD playback on the Atrix or via dock. Atrix will support MP4 with H.264 baseline profile. The Atrix processor is similar to Moto Xoom so start with Xoom's profile and adjust that accordingly. But a update is on the way for Atrix to support high and in addition to native mkv. I suggest you download a trail of Badaboom2 and try it out, you can convert up to 30 full length videos as a trail, by then the Atrix update should land, you won't need to convert any mkv files after that. Simply uninstall Badaboom =)
Thanks for the advice. Will try!
What playback software do you use? Is there an icon for the built-in player/what's it's name? So far I've only invoked it through files.
Is there anything that takes advantage of dual-cores and Tegra?
I've tried QQview, but it doesn't seem to be able to scan my MicroSD card because it sees the internal as SDcard and doesn't seem able to go 'up' a level from there...?
My main interest is being able to play torrent downloaded files *without* conversion. So far a 720p xVid seemed fine but a bit h.264 did not.
I use ImTOO video converter. there is no atrix setting yet
i have trield many different H.264 and most do not work. H.263 works but it wont auto resize, meaning playback through the phone is scaled to about 50% size despite perfect resolution.
Then i tried the xvid option, 2000kB/s stream, this particular movie was 1280x544 and it went full screen and played very well on the atrix hd dock and webtop.
One issue, i trield to copy a 4 gig file to my phone and it said file is too large despite the 32gig capaicty of this microSD!
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I use ImTOO video converter. there is no atrix setting yet
i have trield many different H.264 and most do not work. H.263 works but it wont auto resize, meaning playback through the phone is scaled to about 50% size despite perfect resolution.
Then i tried the xvid option, 2000kB/s stream, this particular movie was 1280x544 and it went full screen and played very well on the atrix hd dock and webtop.
One issue, i trield to copy a 4 gig file to my phone and it said file is too large despite the 32gig capaicty of this microSD!
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Mate sd card is formatted in fat32. 4gb is the file size limit.
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I'm on win 7, I use this GPU accelerated video encoder called Badaboom2 from Elemental Technologies. The 2.0 version will offer additional profiles, i simply drag the movies you currently have: mkv, avi, divx, wmv. or if you have a DVD movie you want to convert. After drag and drop, select the output:
Output: Motorola Xoom
Profile: Baseline
Level: Auto
Highest Quality @ 3500kbit
Resolution: 1280x720
Aspect Ratio: Fill to Aspect
Now, this is assuming that you are going to convert/transcode HD videos as source for HD playback on the Atrix or via dock. Atrix will support MP4 with H.264 baseline profile. The Atrix processor is similar to Moto Xoom so start with Xoom's profile and adjust that accordingly. But a update is on the way for Atrix to support high and in addition to native mkv. I suggest you download a trail of Badaboom2 and try it out, you can convert up to 30 full length videos as a trail, by then the Atrix update should land, you won't need to convert any mkv files after that. Simply uninstall Badaboom =)
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I liked Badaboom! Got me thinking about Sopranos
Avatar is somewhere around 8,3GB in MKV 720p. After this it will be around 4GB in 720p. Thats nice!
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If your videos are not taking advantage of all the pixles on the screen use mvideoplayer from the market. Under the settings you can make it play videos fill or strech for the screen and it still looks great for me.
There are a lot of MP4 video clips that I cannot get to play on Xoom smoothly but they play back really well on my HTC Desire.
On Xoom the video is laggy while the audio is audible. This happened to both 720p and 480p videos. I used both the default player and Moboplayer to ensure I am using the hardware acceleration.
Strangely on my Xoom the Moboplayer can soft-decode 480p MP4 with ffmpeg and playback without any problem. 720 is smoother but the decoding was too slow which resulted in A-V async.
Again, all those clips play really well on my HTC Desire. Tegra 2 should be able to handle them.
Anyone knows anything?
Please search the forum before asking questions. This has been asnswered.
The problem you're having is to do with the clips using high profile encoding.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=968640&highlight=video
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=968308&highlight=video
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=972812&highlight=video
There's lots more. All I can say is, learn to love Handbrake and be prepared to have your computer running all night every night if you ever want to watch HD movies on this thing.
I dont agree; I have transcoded 2 blue rays, hellboy and start trek 2009 in about an hour each, using my imac and handbreak
Oh, and download Vitalplayer from the market for the best hd video playback..
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I dont agree; I have transcoded 2 blue rays, hellboy and start trek 2009 in about an hour each, using my imac and handbreak
Oh, and download Vitalplayer from the market for the best hd video playback..
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Yeah, well, I don't agree.
I converted 2 720p mkv 90 minute movies and a 40 minute 720p mkv TV show last night and it took 6 hours. This was done on an Intel Core 2 duo P750 2.26GHz
Not everyone has the same hardware. I suppose I could run out and buy an i5 or i7 for the sole purpose of encoding video for the XOOM.
Maybe Motorola can partner with a PC company. How about 20% off a new laptop when you buy a XOOM that way you will be able to take advantage of its HD video capability in 2 hours instead of six.
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Yeah, well, I don't agree.
I converted 2 720p mkv 90 minute movies and a 40 minute 720p mkv TV show last night and it took 6 hours. This was done on an Intel Core 2 duo P750 2.26GHz
Not everyone has the same hardware. I suppose I could run out and buy an i5 or i7 for the sole purpose of encoding video for the XOOM.
Maybe Motorola can partner with a PC company. How about 20% off a new laptop when you buy a XOOM that way you will be able to take advantage of its HD video capability in 2 hours instead of six.
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It all depends on your settings, and keep in mind that the imac is going to have similar hardware to your machine. The recommendation is to set max width to 1280, set B Frames to 0, turn off CABAC, 8x8 Transform, and Weighted P frames. If you do that, you'll find fairly consistent encoding times even with older hardware. Also, keep in mind that encoding is entirely processor bound and will do better the more cores you can throw at it.
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It all depends on your settings, and keep in mind that the imac is going to have similar hardware to your machine. The recommendation is to set max width to 1280, set B Frames to 0, turn off CABAC, 8x8 Transform, and Weighted P frames. If you do that, you'll find fairly consistent encoding times even with older hardware. Also, keep in mind that encoding is entirely processor bound and will do better the more cores you can throw at it.
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Been there done that. There are no shortcuts. Good quality takes time or more cores. Or harness the GPU ie CUDA but that causes horrendous macroblocking in bright scenes.
No matter how you sugar coat it, re-encoding video is a time consuming pain in the ass for most people.
I also seem to remember there are multiple versions of the imac, with variable hardware specs, from dual core up to quad core 3.6GHz - so your claim of similar hardware seems unlikely.
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>I converted 2 720p mkv 90 minute movies and a 40 minute 720p mkv TV show last night and it took 6 hours.
Suggest using 800 max width for substantially faster encode speed and smaller size. Quality diff is negligible on a 10".
If using 2-pass, switch to 1-pass for both faster encode time AND better quality.
Unfortunately, HB doesn't provide x264's speed presets. You can gain additional speed (at cost of some nominal size increase) with the faster presets. Hmm, I should update my HB script to allow "downloadables" as input.
>The recommendation is to set max width to 1280, set B Frames to 0, turn off CABAC, 8x8 Transform, and Weighted P frames. If you do that, you'll find fairly consistent encoding times even with older hardware.
Encoding to baseline profile (what the above basically means) gains speed by disabling more advanced "compression" features. The trade-off is significant size increase, about +30% vs high profile.
Using a lower res allows more efficient settings. At 800 width, you can use main profile. Speed diff between main & baseline is insignificant. Speed gain for the lower res is substantial.
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I appreciate that your trying to help, but those are the settings that I have been using already: 1280, set B Frames to 0, turn off CABAC, turn off 8x8 Transform, and turn off Weighted P frames....
and it is still taking well over 3 hours to re-encode a 1:30 movie.
I understand that lowering the resolution will decrease the encoding time, but I consider that a last resort compromise. In fact I would consider that basically a failure of the XOOM.
I have considered buying an i5 or i7, but I feel stupid buying a new laptop for the sole purpose of encoding for the XOOM, when I could just pick up my Galaxy Tab and just play these videos immediately. No encoding. Just copy them over and play.
I am quite sure those videos are not high profile. Their bitrates were around 2M, way below 20M.
And, as I said, I can even do soft-decode to play the 480ps which does not play well with hard-decoding.
480ps, man. 480ps. Stunning.
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Your sarcasm needs work. It lacks creativity. And removing the original post is just immature.
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Your sarcasm needs work. It lacks creativity. And removing the original post is just immature.
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I don't really care about the encoding stage, I have an i7-950 which encodes a blu-ray in handbreak in well under an hour.
What I'd like to know, is are the codecs really this lacking, and will we see a solution?
I, like the OP have a HTC Desire and I could be devastated to find the XOOM can't handle the videos my Desire can.
Does it natively support mkv? I like to watch TV episodes in mkv like the 86MB Big Bang Theory episodes.
All my non-TV stuff I rip myself so I'm not concerned. Other than the DRM wmv I buy. Which play back fine on my galaxy tab.
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I don't really care about the encoding stage, I have an i7-950 which encodes a blu-ray in handbreak in well under an hour.
What I'd like to know, is are the codecs really this lacking, and will we see a solution?
I, like the OP have a HTC Desire and I could be devastated to find the XOOM can't handle the videos my Desire can.
Does it natively support mkv? I like to watch TV episodes in mkv like the 86MB Big Bang Theory episodes.
All my non-TV stuff I rip myself so I'm not concerned. Other than the DRM wmv I buy. Which play back fine on my galaxy tab.
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Most TV shows that are 720p mkv, and are privately enoded, and downloaded, average about 1.2 GB and will and not play. Support for MKV as a container isn't a problem, its the profile of the h264 video in the container that is the problem.
If the Video that you like to watch is only 86MB, that doesn't sound like high profile 720p. So it might play, only way to know is to try or download mediaInfo and check its properties.
Good to hear that the i7 that you have can do a blu-ray in an hour. That sounds like what I should do eventually. Wonder if an i5 will do as well. I've heard that the i7, though it has 4 physical cores, is seen as 8 due to multithreading, wheras the i5 is limited to 4.
I watched two re-encoded episodes of fringe last night, and the Video on the XOOM is really amazing. It actually is almost worth the wait.
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Most TV shows that are 720p mkv, and are privately enoded, and downloaded, average about 1.2 GB and will and not play. Support for MKV as a container isn't a problem, its the profile of the h264 video in the container that is the problem.
If the Video that you like to watch is only 86MB, that doesn't sound like high profile 720p. So it might play, only way to know is to try or download mediaInfo and check its properties.
Good to hear that the i7 that you have can do a blu-ray in an hour. That sounds like what I should do eventually. Wonder if an i5 will do as well. I've heard that the i7, though it has 4 physical cores, is seen as 8 due to multithreading, wheras the i5 is limited to 4.
I watched two re-encoded episodes of fringe last night, and the Video on the XOOM is really amazing. It actually is almost worth the wait.
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That's correct, it's an 8 threaded processor, running on an Asus ROG III Gene.
As for the videos I'm watching:
Video
ID/String : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format_Profile : [email protected]
Format_Settings_CABAC/String : Yes
Format_Settings_RefFrames/String : 4 frames
Format_Settings_GOP : M=4, N=48
CodecID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration/String : 20mn 24s
BitRate/String : 465 Kbps
Width/String : 624 pixels
Height/String : 352 pixels
DisplayAspectRatio/String : 16:9
FrameRate/String : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
ColorSpace : YUV
ChromaSubsampling : 4:2:0
BitDepth/String : 8 bits
ScanType/String : Progressive
Bits-(Pixel*Frame) : 0.088
StreamSize/String : 67.8 MiB (77%)
They're not 720, but they're nice enough on my Galaxy Tab. They are High Profile @ L4.0 though which I'v heard a lot of bad-mouthing about on the forum lately. I'm no expert on media codecs and frankly couldn't care as long as theyre watchable. I'd love to know I could rip my Blu-Rays at 720p and watch them on the XOOM comfortably though.
What you are posting is interesting. Its high profile, but low bit rate. Some of the early claims for the Tegra 2, which is used in the XOOM, said it actually could play high profile but only at a low bit rate, but I haven't heard it confirmed. I suspect this video will not play, but later on I will try encoding a video in a simliar manner to yours and see what happens.
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What you are posting is interesting. Its high profile, but low bit rate. Some of the early claims for the Tegra 2, which is used in the XOOM, said it actually could play high profile but only at a low bit rate, but I haven't heard it confirmed. I suspect this video will not play, but later on I will try encoding a video in a simliar manner to yours and see what happens.
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Great, if you like I can dropbox the file I have and PM you the link for testing. These files playback flawlessly using the Galaxy Tab with every single player software I have tried, whether hardware or software decoding. FOr them not to play on the XOOM would be a killer.
Got your file. Sorry, it plays but with no sound. I tried RockPlayer and Moboplayer and the System Player and all play the same - silent.
The Video is actually pretty good. Smooth and very acceptable. So I guess it can technically play high profile, very low bitrate files - just not with sound. Have to Play around some more and see if I can learn anything else that might get this to play correctly or figure out what the problem is.
Edit: Actually, this is a Divx encoded file, not h264, so that is why it plays. So I am a little surprised about the lack of audio. And its only mp3 audio!!! This is really amazing. I can't believe the XOOM isn't playing this correctly. Has to be a way.
Update: Ok, success! It does play correctly in Rockplayer in software decoding mode. With sound. So it looks like you will have no problem.
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Got your file. Sorry, it plays but with no sound. I tried RockPlayer and Moboplayer and the System Player and all play the same - silent.
The Video is actually pretty good. Smooth and very acceptable. So I guess it can technically play high profile, very low bitrate files - just not with sound. Have to Play around some more and see if I can learn anything else that might get this to play correctly or figure out what the problem is.
Edit: Actually, this is a Divx encoded file, not h264, so that is why it plays. So I am a little surprised about the lack of audio. And its only mp3 audio!!! This is really amazing. I can't believe the XOOM isn't playing this correctly. Has to be a way.
Update: Ok, success! It does play correctly in Rockplayer in software decoding mode. With sound. So it looks like you will have no problem.
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Interesting, if somewhat concerning that it won't play this in the standard players or with hard-decoding even though it uses mp3 audio.
How about VPlayer Advanced? I find this plays most of my videos nicely on the Tab.
Probably just lack of Divx support in hardware. Thats not a big deal, even a single core CPU of lower power can easily decode low res, low bitrate Divx. I don't consider that a flaw at all. Software decoding video like this with the XOOM's dual core A9's is trivial. Results are fine. Just need an app like RockPlayer that does it. XVID files will probably not work in hardware either.
From Motorolas website:
PLAYABLE FORMATS
AAC, H.263, H.264, MP3, MPEG-4, ACC+ Enhanced, OGG, MIDI, AMR NB, AAC+
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Probably just lack of Divx support in hardware. Thats not a big deal, even a single core CPU of lower power can easily decode low res, low bitrate Divx. I don't consider that a flaw at all. Software decoding video like this with the XOOM's dual core A9's is trivial. Results are fine. Just need an app like RockPlayer that does it. XVID files will probably not work in hardware either.
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PLAYABLE FORMATS
AAC, H.263, H.264, MP3, MPEG-4, ACC+ Enhanced, OGG, MIDI, AMR NB, AAC+
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Yeh that's pretty fair I guess. How do you think it would manage if converted to MP4? I can do it on my 950 when I get home and send you it if you like? I'd not mind converting the whole lot if it played in the stock player.