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I have an Orange SPV-M700, running the original WM5. Try as I might I am finding it difficult to get videos to play without dropping frames and often the audio being out of sync.
I know that the bitrate of videos makes a difference, and if I use very low bitrate videos admittedly the frame-dropping reduces. However, I am basing my results on the fact that I have owned several PDAs and the SPV-M700 is the latest, with the 400hz processor and yet it plays videos worse than any previous PDA I have owned.
I am testing using the same bunch of videos which played absolutely fine on my XDAIIi and also on my old HP4150. Software I am trying is TCPMP (7.2), Pocket TV, Windows Media Player 10 etc. I have performed exhaustive tests with almost every configurable setting each player offers. But whatever I try I find the video performance of the SPV-M700 disappointing and considering it has a fast processor I am very puzzled.
I have even tried three different makes of SD card and that seems to make hardly any difference. Do you think that the SD cards are not reading quick enough on this device, as surely the processor should be able to play videos efficiently?
I gather that TCPMP (which has always been my favourite media player for the Pocket-PC) doesn't properly support the Imageon chip - does the Core Player that you have to purchase work any better? - I believe that it comes from the same background as TCPMP.
I would appreciate any input or thoughts, and what your experience has been like with videos on the Trinity. It's really bugging me. I don't want to have to encode all my videos at lower bitrates - it's taking a step backwards and I purchased the SPV-M700 as an upgrade, not a downgrade!!!
At the moment, although it's bulkier, I am starting to think I'd be better off sticking with my XDAIIi and dumping the SPV-M700. I say this because I have also had much frustration with the well known Mini-SD card compatibility problems that the Trinity suffers.
A beautifully sized device like the Trinity is sadly let down by these sort of issues.
Thanks in advance
Spivvy.
Well, I had no problems with playback at all.
I use MPEG4 video at 512-640 bitrate with AAC audio at 96 bitrate all in a 3GP container. With these settings I get crystal clear results.
Hi OrageSpiv,
Before i used to own a Hermes that had a bad issue with it's imageon chip and TCPMP and Coreplayer (early versions). I paid something like $20AUS and it not only solved the issue on my Hermes but increased the perfomance so when I benchmarked my 320x240 512kb-Divx 128kb-mp3 movies to run on 300%-400% average. I tried it on my new Trinity 3600i and it sores along at 400% + I think since you have a 400mhz processor your perfomance will be similar to what I got on my Hermes Samsung 400mhz processor. I'd strongly recommend getting their newest version instead of the TCPMP betas.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Slither2006.
Hi Slither
Many thanks for the reply - that's exactly the sort of information I was looking for. I know that I could lower the bitrate of videos etc but I am more interested in playing videos that used to play well on older Pocket PCs.
I will consider buying CorePlayer and I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks
Spivvy
Hi
Well, I said I would get back to you if I decided to purchase CorePlayer. Slither's post was encouraging so I purchased CorePlayer and I can happily say that my initial tests are very good.
I have tried playing some of the video files that were not running as well as I had hoped and they play smoother, with fewer dropped frames and better audio sync than they did previously with TCPMP, MediaPlayer, Pocket TV etc.
The above findings are without changing any of the default settings within CorePlayer so I reckon there may even be scope for further improvement.
At the moment I am a very happy chappie - it's early days but the signs are good and I already feel that I have a better video player on my SPV-M700.
I'll report back later when I have made more tests etc. If any of you have had similar experiences it would be good to share them on here.
Cheers for now
Spivvy
Hi OrangeSpiv,
How was yr coreplayer testing so far? r u manage to play DIVX movie smoothly using this software? I recently bought a p3600i but experincing the same problem you mentioned earlier. Trying to play divx movie i downloaded such as "Heroes" using TCPMP 0.72 but experiencing the lose of frame rate (lagging). Any other software which can play divx smoothly on our 3600 ? Thks.
Hope someone can offer me some advice. Video playback is very high on my priorities. I currently have an Omnia which is pretty flawless playing back DIVX or XVID encoded files. I am not interested in playing back High Def content, only xvid/divx avi files that I download such as TV and DVD Rips.
How good is the Touch HD with Coreplayer, I am pretty worried from all that I read about HTC/Qualcomm drivers not working properly and this is a deal breaker for me. I don't know if the Touch Pro 2 is the same, I know it has the same processor.
I have been out of contract for a couple of months and was waiting to get an Iphone but I will have to encode all my xvid files in order for them to play, at least until Coreplayer for Iphone is released. I was happy with my Omnia but I seem to have endless problems with getting programs working as they should and of course there is no official support on this site.
If video playback is ok for these type of files I may go for either the Diamond 2/Touch Pro 2 or Touch HD as they all seem to be a similiar spec.
Booo, DivX on HD
One of the main reasons I bought my Touch HD was for playing Divx. I have a couple of old Dell Axims which have been great but the attraction with the Touch HD was it was a phone aswell, GPS, bluetooth for the car and I could watch films on the train to work in high res still.
Actually, it's a bit rubbish in my opinion. The screen is amazing but you cannot use TCPMP that well as it judders too much. So you have to resort to using the pretty limited Coreplayer (no AC3 support which is annoying when you only realise after you have boarded your train to work!). No easy way of fast forwarding as you cannot program all the soft touch buttons. No easy way of raising / lowering the volume either.
Oh yes and it still skips and judders in Coreplayer unless you are watching a boring movie about paint drying as it has no movement on the screen.
I bet you will get a ton of positive responses but this is what I think. If you are still tempted after my rant about the HD then I would suggest trying it.
of course if you are interested in buying it then it is an amazing DivX player and works flawlessly.
I will second Damians post, although Rubbish might be a little harsh...
Like you I was very excited to basically just drop a couple of TV shows on the Storage Card without any interaction and start playing them on my way to work but it didn't take long to realize that was merely a dream...
I consider myself being picky about quality and as of now the quality in such a setup is not watchable. At the moment I encode with Super and then transfer to Storage Card (got it setup fairly automatic with MobSync). I am holding on with hopes of better compatibility from CorePlayer (support for the chip), a better player or any other major breakthrough in the issue since I do think that for me there is no phone on the market that can beat the incredible screen... that I believe was made for watching media such as described.... sigh...
On a small note.... I had the Diamond2 to compare (benchmarked and simple visual comparison) side by side and though benchmarking exceeds the Touch HD (HD: 75-90% vs D2: 105-120%) as well as the visual appearence.... the screen really is a major difference that might be worth waiting for a better HD solution...
2 cents... signed and delivered...
//Nik
Thanks for the advice. I was hoping for something more positive re playback but you more or less just confirmed what I thought. I think I'm going to go for the new Iphone this summer if I need to convert files anyway.
I havn't found it too bad to be honest (and I'm another perfectionist). I was annoyed for weeks and spent ages scanning this forum and different options, but as it stands, on the newest stock rom (which only uses up 29% of ROM), using SDcard tune-up, and the best options in Coreplayer (turning sound to mono-join etc), I get no skips in films or TV shows. I'm perfectly happy with it, although I do make sure to check the videos play once I've dropped them on (and 8 out 10 of thousands of Divx/Xvid/Avis from loads of sources work on the box).
So 8/10 for me. I'll try to provide more info if you need.
There is a tool, called "HTC Touch HD Video Converter", just search the forum. Works very fast, esp. on two core machines. In my opinion, this is the best converter, every movie i've converted with this tool runs just gorgeous on my touch HD using the built-in player Album. No delays, no sound issues at all - just like it should be, smooth and the picture is brilliant.
I used different converters and I don't know what's so special about this one but it just works, other didn't (in my case). I was kinda disappointed with the touch HD, videos didn't run smoothly, I even wanted to buy the ipod touch, before I used this tool.
here we go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
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was waiting to get an Iphone but I will have to encode all my xvid files in order for them to play
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I think this information is'nt correct. You have tried out the free vxflash from Cydia store? You should be able to play divx, xvid, and flv files directly with iPhone with no conversion.
See http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=3895
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I havn't found it too bad to be honest (and I'm another perfectionist). I was annoyed for weeks and spent ages scanning this forum and different options, but as it stands, on the newest stock rom (which only uses up 29% of ROM), using SDcard tune-up, and the best options in Coreplayer (turning sound to mono-join etc), I get no skips in films or TV shows. I'm perfectly happy with it, although I do make sure to check the videos play once I've dropped them on (and 8 out 10 of thousands of Divx/Xvid/Avis from loads of sources work on the box).
So 8/10 for me. I'll try to provide more info if you need.
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Would you mind sharing your config.xml located in Application Data/CorePlayer?
(...or specify your settings manually, but I think above would be easier)
I feel like I've tried all possible settings with no success. It would be greatly appreciated!
//Nik
I was also very excited when i finally got my Touch HD, espacially for watching TV series like you guys. 3 hours on the train is not bearable without some kind of entertainment . Well at first i also was very frustrated cause i am one of those people that instantly pick up jerky movement in a movie or when the sound lags just a few frames behind. Ever tried watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 tv, but stretched? Everytime i see something like that, i feel the urge to cry But there are many people that do not pick up such things.
Got a bit offtopic here, sorry. What i wanted to say is, i got accustomed to the slight jerky movement while watching something. The luxury of being able to pull out your phone, attach your headset and simply watch something while on the train, the bus or somewhere else, simply outweighs the not so fluent playback. As already mentioned the display is absolutely gorgeous. This is of course my oppinion. Using coreplayer on Topix 2.1.
Hey I've uploaded it (as a text file). For this, anything xvid, avi, divx, mpg etc. just seems to work (well, 9 out of 10 files, ranging from 174mb TV shows to 1gb movies).
Will be interested to know your thoughts or offer any further feedback,
Another thumbs up for Projections Video Encoding GUI - films I've converted are very smooth and audio and video are all in sync. A great app.
Try this program too. It'll help you find and open your video files with the HTC Album. Click on the link for more details.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520604
Hi, I tried TCPMP and then Coreplayer to play standard resolution Divx files. With coreplayer I get very good results after increasing the buffer it uses for video and audio.
I'm using regular Divx or xvid movies, with MP3 audio. I'm using episodes from House M.D. for example, in high definition, and they look perfectly good. A movie like Terminator, with high movement, a lot of explosions, etc, is more difficult to handle. But overall I'm satisfied with what you get with the correct software and settings.
Unfortunately I have come to realize after trying several devices and hundreds of programs that Windows Mobile programming is still on it's infancy and 95% of the programmers cannot reach an aceptable level of ussability. I'm tired of big slow programs, that cannot display the simplest of 2D screen while in others you can pan or zoom a photo fast, or display video full screen at 20 - 25 fps. That shows you that the hardware is capable of fast processing and screen redraw, just most programs are too big and too slow.
I am using Rock Player. I recently transferred a 720p AVI onto the phone just to check it out. It looked amazing but it had trouble keeping up.
What's the best video size for looks and performance for our phones?
Is rock player the best choice?
720p mp4 worked well on mine
also using mp4 uses the android video player which is better on resources and audio will skip less
Native resolution will obviously play best (and will also look best in RockPlayer, since it won't have to resize it)
So that gives you : 854x480 (16/9)
as for the bitrate, you'll get good results with a H264 @ 2 or 3Mb/s but there's no issue going higher, as long as the SD Card can keep up (which would be 16 to 20Mb/s max on the standard class 2)
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Native resolution will obviously play best (and will also look best in RockPlayer, since it won't have to resize it)
So that gives you : 854x480 (16/9)
as for the bitrate, you'll get good results with a H264 @ 2 or 3Mb/s but there's no issue going higher, as long as the SD Card can keep up (which would be 16 to 20Mb/s max on the standard class 2)
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Nice info Sl1nk3. Needed this!
Just transferred video using the supplied software (into mp4). The quality was perfect.
sl1nk3 said:
Native resolution will obviously play best (and will also look best in RockPlayer, since it won't have to resize it)
So that gives you : 854x480 (16/9)
as for the bitrate, you'll get good results with a H264 @ 2 or 3Mb/s but there's no issue going higher, as long as the SD Card can keep up (which would be 16 to 20Mb/s max on the standard class 2)
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remember though sl1nk3 rockplayer doesn't handle sound as well as native player does it dumps it all to ram. basically go for mp4 but if you play it in even media-scape it awesome
Ive searched for various recommended settings and tried the ones from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
And, for the most part, the videos are fine but what gets me is in situations where the camera is panning there is a noticeable jitter to the movement. Its consistent. Its only happening on the TF. I can play the encoded MP4s/M4Vs in VLC on the laptop and no jitter.
Id really love to get rid of this, it kind of kills the experience of watching videos because I like to watch shows like Top Gear on it and they pan a lot like that, although it does impact other shows. Its just more noticeable because it only happens when the entire camera is panning around subjects in way that most of the image on the screen is moving.
Im playing in the gallery BTW.
Hi,
this is a well known problem with the google libaries for hardware decoding. Until we get a update, there are only two solutions:
Use software decoding. Apps like Rockplayer, Moboplayer... have this option.
Use a Flash-Player. There is no stuttering with the flash libaries.
Does software decoding drain more battery?
And upcoming HB3.2 is supposed to improve hardware decoding of video files ...
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And upcoming HB3.2 is supposed to improve hardware decoding of video files ...
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I hope because I have not had good luck with rock/mobo and HD content. Right now playing with the stock gallery is the best option I have seen. I was just hoping maybe there is something I could do to drop the compression or quality (without sacrificing HD) to get rid of this odd jitter.
Its a shame too because its the only thing that lets down the media experience. I have had multiple people interrrupt me on the plane to ask about it the screen is that good (well, than and after seeing me snap my netbook in half and put it back together ). Heck, even ipad guys have complimented how things look on it (and their screen uses the same tech IIRC).
I builded a very simple html site in the last few days which has the jwplayer flash player. This is the best way to watch hd content with less than 29,xx fps without the stuttering. Maybe i will put it online later today.
If you want to hard telecine the material you can remove most of the judder.
It's an unfortunate side effect of the GPU decoding that we haven't yet pinned down.
sassafras
Is there any way to load MKV files with JWPlayer without naming them and their location in HTML? I'd prefer a browse option myself. Otherwise it's pretty useless to me.
I tried using Handbrake to encode to "Apple TV 2" preset. which is basically 720p in mp4 file type. It plays back very smoothly with rockplayer lite, mVideoplayer or moboplayer.
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I tried using Handbrake to encode to "Apple TV 2" preset. which is basically 720p in mp4 file type. It plays back very smoothly with rockplayer lite, mVideoplayer or moboplayer.
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That's actually a great preset for this device. It's mpeg4 AVC High profile at a reasonable quality.
Good choice if you don't know a lot about how Handbrake works.
sassafras
sassafras_ said:
That's actually a great preset for this device. It's mpeg4 AVC High profile at a reasonable quality.
Good choice if you don't know a lot about how Handbrake works.
sassafras
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actually its not smooth at all, there's still a minor lag which is obvious to my eyes..so far even with the very latest 3.1 update (the one with the new tegra bootup logo), the lag is still there..i am hoping 3.2 would address this...it sucks that you cant really play 1080p or even 720p smoothly
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actually its not smooth at all, there's still a minor lag which is obvious to my eyes..so far even with the very latest 3.1 update (the one with the new tegra bootup logo), the lag is still there..i am hoping 3.2 would address this...it sucks that you cant really play 1080p or even 720p smoothly
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You're either doing it wrong (possible) or confusing judder for 'smoothness'. Files encoded at sane bitrates play back fine in 720p and are completely smooth. Unfortunately, as described by sontin earlier in this thread, there is some poor telecining going on in the hardware decoding and panning shots tend to create the effect of judder which can be somewhat distracting.
It's unfortunately probably a result of the lack of a NEON MPE core in the Tegra 2 chip that causes this.
But for the record, judder ≠ lack of smooth playback.
sassafras
sassafras_ said:
You're either doing it wrong (possible) or confusing judder for 'smoothness'. Files encoded at sane bitrates play back fine in 720p and are completely smooth. Unfortunately, as described by sontin earlier in this thread, there is some poor telecining going on in the hardware decoding and panning shots tend to create the effect of judder which can be somewhat distracting.
It's unfortunately probably a result of the lack of a NEON MPE core in the Tegra 2 chip that causes this.
But for the record, judder ≠ lack of smooth playback.
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well i guess you're right, its a judder then, but if that's the case, is there any way to solve it? i want a perfect playback like what i get on a pc
I do feel though that playback has improved considerably with the last update. I have downloaded some files that were encoded specifically for the Apple TV and other such devices. Basically mp4 with [email protected] encoding with bitrates around 3000 kbps and stereo AAC sound. Before this update, every now and again they would freeze for five seconds or so, especially in high action scenes. Now they seem much smoother. Judder is still there, but it's definitely watchable.
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sassafras_ said:
You're either doing it wrong (possible) or confusing judder for 'smoothness'. Files encoded at sane bitrates play back fine in 720p and are completely smooth. Unfortunately, as described by sontin earlier in this thread, there is some poor telecining going on in the hardware decoding and panning shots tend to create the effect of judder which can be somewhat distracting.
It's unfortunately probably a result of the lack of a NEON MPE core in the Tegra 2 chip that causes this.
But for the record, judder ≠ lack of smooth playback.
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Nothing to do with telecine. It only occurs when there is audio in the file. Mux a video with no soundfile embedded and it plays buttery smooth. Something occurs when sound is added which causes a weird juddering effect. It's been suggested it's hardware acceleration not being enabled causing it but I'm not so sure. Jitter can happen when the audio framerate does not match up with the video framerate to the refresh rate of the display or somesuch (Not sure on the technicalities). It's why tools like ReClock are used on PC's.
I can only repeat what i said a few times: The only way to get nearly smooth playback with hardware decoding is using a flash player. There is no other solution.
And there is a positive sideeffect: Using the browser filesystem (file:///) makes video streaming over the network more useable than using a file manager app. Even over HTTP (thx to drivedav and co) it's much better.
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I can only repeat what i said a few times: The only way to get nearly smooth playback with hardware decoding is using a flash player. There is no other solution.
And there is a positive sideeffect: Using the browser filesystem (file:///) makes video streaming over the network more useable than using a file manager app. Even over HTTP (thx to drivedav and co) it's much better.
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yes, you're right. with jwplayer it works perfectly, smooth and no judder!
Interesting
for those of you that are interest!
This is what i have decided to do and its quite amazing results for its purpose!
Previously i had ben encoding mp4's with x264, @ 1280x544 or 600 whatever the video wanted to strech too, i was finding amazing quality even at fullscreen! I was amazinly happy with respectable file sizes
The dark knight 2.3gb
Saving private ryan 3.5gb
Quantam of solice 2.6 CB
However, after my huge success! I wanted to accomplish more! I need more videos on my transformer! I felt ripped off, i could not put more videos then what i had becuasw of the file sizes!
After some trial and error i found an amazing discovery but it comes with some sacrifice,
Let me talk about the file sizes first!
The dark knight 1.1gb
Saving private ryan 1.6gb
Quantam of solice 1.2gb
The hangover 880mb
Some of my movies are under 1 gb wow
I have 27 movies on my sdcard alone! Which is great!
Ok so this is how i managed such small files with mp4,x264. First off i started my encodes by dropping the resoltion from 1280 to 800 and then letting handbreak decide how to strech it
800x544 is what it normally looks like, the quality is set to 21! This is an inferior resolution for filesize with mp4! In some cases 60% filesize drop!!
This comes with a small drawback! I run my videos in the stock player anyways, so they will not be fullscreen movies! Myself i dont mind the bars on top and bottom!
If this bothers you, then this discovery is not for you!!
MKV FANS!!
STOP!! , before you start to lecture me, about mkv ,doing higher res, with 500mb encode's ! just stop!
I undersand, and know how as well , but its not supported properly right now ,and thats not what im discussing
I hope someone finds this useful
Thanks
I don't want to reencode anything. I just want it to play my existing MKV's without juddering. How do I use file:///??? to play my existing MKV's with the Flash player?
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yes, you're right. with jwplayer it works perfectly, smooth and no judder!
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Where can you get jwplayer - I looked in the market place and found what I am quite sure was not the tool that you meant...
Hi all,
I've had my new Thrive for about a week, and have had no success in getting imported movie files to play without being slightly jerky, especially during scenes with some panning. I realize the Tegra chipset has to use baseline encoding, so I've used Handbrake with all the advanced settings off for H.264 / 720p with no luck. I tried decreasing quality / bitrate, even took a shot at an H.263 encode, same issue. Sadly enough, I've even downsized the video to 480p, and the issue is mostly gone, but it's stil there if you're looking for it. Having about given up with encoding, I tried some HD YouTube movie trailers and have noticed the same studdering / jerkyness when it plays back scenes with some panning.
I believe I have all the updates, it's the first thing I checked for when I got online.
Some posts that I have run across mention trying to disable the video enhancement capability, which I've done, but no change.
Just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue. (???)
Thanks for any input!
Yes I have the same problem. Even videos I take with the camera on it does the same thing. Every video regardless of quality or format jitters and plays very weird and not smooth.
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Hi all,
I've had my new Thrive for about a week, and have had no success in getting imported movie files to play without being slightly jerky, especially during scenes with some panning. I realize the Tegra chipset has to use baseline encoding, so I've used Handbrake with all the advanced settings off for H.264 / 720p with no luck. I tried decreasing quality / bitrate, even took a shot at an H.263 encode, same issue. Sadly enough, I've even downsized the video to 480p, and the issue is mostly gone, but it's stil there if you're looking for it. Having about given up with encoding, I tried some HD YouTube movie trailers and have noticed the same studdering / jerkyness when it plays back scenes with some panning.
I believe I have all the updates, it's the first thing I checked for when I got online.
Some posts that I have run across mention trying to disable the video enhancement capability, which I've done, but no change.
Just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue. (???)
Thanks for any input!
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I watch alot of videos on my Thrive and can say I encountered this once when I first got it when watching YouTube videos while mirroring on an led tv. However then I updated my Thrive and it went away and I never saw the problem again. So perhaps check is your updated or restart your Thrive?
I watch my videos from the SD card and am using a class 10 so perhaps if your watching movies from a lower class SD card you should transfer them to the onboard storage? I also stream anime from animehere.com and do not have any problems there either.
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I'm an idiot, I didnt see that you think you have all the updates, this is baffeling.
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Yeah I also get that. The movie plays fine & the audio is in sync just when the camera starts to pan it seems like the screen is jerking or stuttering ever so slightly. I've tried AVS, Handbreak, DVD Catalyst & Xilisoft. Multiple times with multiple movies & profiles. Seems like this Tegra 2 might have been a bad choice for processors. The same 720p movies play just fine on my Evo 3D. Hopefully Nvidia comes out with a update that fixes this as I have read that all of the tablets with the Tegra in it suffer from the same problem. A huge FAIL on Nvidia's part IMO. Whats the sense of having a tablet with a 720p screen but you can't watch movies smoothly.
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Yo, I'm not sure whether 720p works completely fine though but for any other res under that either VPlayer or Mobo seem to be able to play them relatively well.
Over the last month I've experimented with the Thrive and an Asus Transformer. Both have had the same jerky playback issues with my encoded videos, with the built in Honeycomb player. A resolution I've found for playing back my MP4 files is Dice Player, it seems to have gotten rid of the stuttering issue on both devices. YouTube is still a mixed bag, most low quality videos play fine, but the HD stuff will still have issues from time to time. I read somewhere that Dice Player has it's own system / codec files that bypass the built in files provided by Nvidia for the default Honeycomb player, I'm guessing that may be the issue...
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Over the last month I've experimented with the Thrive and an Asus Transformer. Both have had the same jerky playback issues with my encoded videos, with the built in Honeycomb player. A resolution I've found for playing back my MP4 files is Dice Player, it seems to have gotten rid of the stuttering issue on both devices. YouTube is still a mixed bag, most low quality videos play fine, but the HD stuff will still have issues from time to time. I read somewhere that Dice Player has it's own system / codec files that bypass the built in files provided by Nvidia for the default Honeycomb player, I'm guessing that may be the issue...
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Have you tried without the Video Enhancement thing? Seems that turning it off helps quite a bit.