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Right Decision?

Hey guys,
I wanted the nexus one ever since it first got announced. unforunately for the first month and a half it was exclusive with tmo bands. Come around March, i heard the ATT version was released and i told myself i was gonna get it. I put up my iphone 3gs and to my surprise, nobody bit. they were all trying to trade their iphones for the nexus one att version, just like i was.
fast forward to last week, i bought a htc desire (telus, so it works with att) from a friend. It was a awesome phone, but the nexus one bug was still inside me. Everytime i would see comparison videos against the desire, i would tell myself how pretty and attractive the nexus one is. I couldnt take it anymore, so i went on ebay, searched all day today, and than right when i thought all hope was lost, one ad popped up. "never used, refurbished by HTC Nexus One ATT". I did the BIN which was 425 with 15 dollar shipping. Now selling the desire for 550ish. My question is, with tech advancing so fast these days, did i make a good investment in buying a mint att nexus one for a whopping 425? or should i have waited for the dual core phones from samsung.
be brutally honest guys. and btw, the nexus one is going to share primary phone duties with my iphone 4.

I think it's worth it. The N1 is amazing.

worker1 said:
I think it's worth it. The N1 is amazing.
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I agree. The N1 is still the best all rounder phone (notification lights, great GPS receiver, perfect size). Unless you play very graphic intensive games on your phone...you'll be just fine without a dual-core processor. I just feel sorry for your poor iPhone 4..you're gonna be so mad at the little things it can't do like long kinetic scrolling in the browser, lack of configurable color LED notifications, flash in the browser, ability to change to different notification sounds....

In my opinion, currently, there is not a single phone that, in overall quality, surpasses the nexus one.
It's just "pure" - no UI additions, no craziness. Just solid, beautiful phone. Oh, and it just feels so good to the touch.
There are phones that has advantages over it here and there.. but overall, N1 is still the king of the hill for me.

It sounds like you made a little money selling the desire and getting the N1 so I guess it wasn't dumb. I personally think the desire is a bit cooler looking than the nexus so I would have kept that. They're basically exactly the same, right?
I really like my nexus one. Recently the battery life has even become better on the stock rom. However if someone was about to buy it now I would tell them not to bother. The touch screen sucks — it can only detect two points and gets confused doing that, it also gets messed up when the phone warms up in my car dock. The screen is also nearly impossible to see in bright daylight.
Not sure what android phone I'd prefer though. Wish there was a galaxy s with an HTC body.
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Remember that all the leaked Sammy devices are for T-MOBILE.
AT&T is in the process of switching bed partners from Apple to Microsoft. I count us AT&T users lucky that we got an AT&T banded N1 to begin with. Regardless of what the person with incredibly large hands may say about the Dell phones, the N1 is the best Android phone on AT&T and will be for some time until the next Dev phone makes its way (fingers crossed) to AT&T bands.
Until then, enjoy the BEST custom roms ever made right here at XDA. This phone gets better ever month, and next month when the customized gingerbread roms appear, it will be better again.

I totally agree my friend
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Not worth it, IMHO. Once you get it, post back and let us know how you like it, and if YOU feel you got your money's worth.

I think its not worth it. Don't get me wrong it's the best phone I have ever had. All the Sidekicks (1,2,3 and lx etc.), from there to g1 (great classic) and a N900 with a few other phones.
I traded my N900 and got an nexus plus $200 bucks. best deal ever !!!!!!!
I would not sale my nexus it's is the best phone out to me. Perfect build, and feel. Googles baby you just can't beat that.
AND THE BEST COMMUNITY FOR ANY PHONE KNOWN TO MAN.
A CLASSIC THAT NEVER DIES ..... CHUCK NORRIS LOL. j/k
But, if your not happy with your choice there always someone with that same burning feeling you had to get one that will pay 500+.

Should I get a N1 still?

So here's the deal:
I'm on AT&T, been using an Aria with CM 7 RC for awhile now. I had the Atrix 4g, but after some issues with data connection and figuring "better safe than sorry" when it came to the bootloader situation, I decided it just wasn't meant to be. Now I'm wanting something a little more after the atrix vs my Aria, but I'm still on AT&T for now (family plan), and am hesitant to extend my contract (Inspire is too big anyway)
So my question to you, users of the original Google phone: is it still worth it?
I figure I can buy a nexus one on ebay for ~$400 for AT&T's bands, and sell it again (or keep it because it's so cool) when its time for a new contract. Is it worth getting the N1 at this point or is it getting too heavily outclassed, even with development and the latest software, or is it still kicking strong and will last me until at least some quad-core LTE super nexus 3 comes out?
Thanks for hearing my rant and for letting me know!

Its lasted us this long so no reason why you wont still enjoy it too...

Keep an eye on the Marketplace forum here. You'll get a good N1 for less than $400.
They are still worth buying if you can get a bargain.

As the seasons change and I'm outside more and the sky is often brighter. The fact that the N1 screen isalmost impossible to see outside is really annoying. Unless you never go outside I'd say stay away from the N1.
Also, the touch screen is awful. Every game must have their touch controls in odd places for them to actually work on the N1. Really makes it feel like a crappy device.
I really do like my N1, but these things were reasons I probably should have returned it over a year ago. No way I'd recommend someone get it now.
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At $400, I wouldn't. Quick craigslist search shows several around the country at $200-$250. For that price I would, and if any were in my own backyard, I would probably grab a second one.

Yes its a nice phone. No I would not spend 400 for it now. Aria is a nice phone. Inspire is best deal at this moment. I don't see why u pick up a N1. U get custom roms on aria. If you want new device get a tablet. HTC flyer is on its way or Samsung tab will be out soon.
But don't get me wrong. I love my N1. It's just that their is nothing that interest me at this time. Maybe gte t-mobile g2x. It will be compatible with ATT and its dual core. The best part vanilla android. I wait though and see how it reviews.
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First, I LOVE my N1. I run the CM7 nightlies on it, I use Titanium Backup to yank core sys apps from the nightlies that I don't care about. I've got 155 apps on it (thanks to Apps2SD) and SetCPU is running the clock at just a little over stock speed.
And I get to do all that with hardly the hassle others complain of with their non-N1 phones.
The N1 will continue to hold the hearts of Devs for as long as there's nothing with better specs that's as open and easy to work with.
Yes, get an N1, but you can do better than $400 (unless that's including a car or desk dock). If/When Google comes out with a 'real' successor (sorry, a rebadged Galaxy-S isn't a true successor) just sell off the N1 and upgrade.

The N1 is no longer top in class. If you want a pure android feeling, the N1 I'd recommend. But if you want better, then I'm guessing go for the Nexus S... does the Ns have an Att version?
The best thing about N1 is that the OS is android, not some mesh of other bloatware and junk provided by the manufacture HTC, Motorola, and the service provider ATT, Verizon... Of course, you can root, and put on a custom rom, and that's all resolved anyway.
Just my opinion.

I'm going to have to go with yes.
If I lost or broke my N1 today, I would, without hesitation, start the hunt to buy a new one. Unfortunately I'm on AT&T so finding an AT&T 3G N1 isn't as simple as buying it from the Google Developer site, but I would probably snag one off feeBay.

I'd have to go with no...unless you can get it for 200-250. While it is a nice phone and holds well against these beasts nowadays I can't justify a purchase due to the lack of internal memory and the horrid "multi-touch" panel. I too am waiting for a true nexus successor (Nexus S? yea okay.) and hopefully I won't have to wait long but there are nice phones on AT&T running android so im sure the inspire would be a better pick...or hold out for a few more months for whatever monsters are announced following Google I/O

i still love my nexus one to death, and still cannot find anything on the market now that i consider better than the nexus one simply because of the whole package, color trackball, design and build quality and materials, etc. so i say you should go for the nexus one.

No. It's an awesome phone, but as others have said, it's not worth $400 a year after it's out.

I just bought one on Craigslist for 240

Good phone
I still consider a good phone at this moment and with a good price.

Just sold mine for $350 on Craigslist.
Figured that, since T-mobiles 1700 3g radio frequency is eventually going to be changed to Att LTE and the T-mobile Nexus One completely wont work once that happens, that every day I keep it is another day that the value will go down. Thought I better get out now and lock in my profit before others figure this out and start to flood Craigslist with cheaper prices.
hate. Hate. HATE to give up my $30 EvenMorePlus and $10 web2go but I'm not going to stay aboard a sinking ship and there are other options still out there for my price range of $40/month or less for a smartphone. I simply REFUSE to pay $60 - 70 per month purely on principle

G2 End of life!

http://www.tmonews.com/2011/06/t-mobile-g2-about-to-hit-end-of-life/
Just saw this.... just as I was looking to get one!

That's a bunch of crap if you ask me. Great phone, one of the only decent phones with a decent keyboard.
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Wow. I've had mine since Nov. Came from a G1, I don't think they will send us referb G2's cause I had a Sidekick LX and they day the sidekick 2008 came out my LX broke and they sent me a brand new 2008. So if anything we may be in luck with Mytouch 4G S. But nine months is such a short time to issue EOL. Where's the update anyway?
-Kiyo

They have to make room for the Sensation. After thats out for awhile then they will probably release the g2 replacement. Besides, they probably have enough in insurance to cover the people with a g2.

You crazy if you going to get a G2, when Sensation and Galaxy s2 are coming out. Unless you need a keyboard, I see no reason to get it over the other two. Plus you can buy a S2 or sensation when it comes out and sell it on ebay and buy 2 or 3 used g2.

bruceko86 said:
You crazy if you going to get a G2, when Sensation and Galaxy s2 are coming out. Unless you need a keyboard, I see no reason to get it over the other two. Plus you can buy a S2 or sensation when it comes out and sell it on ebay and buy 2 or 3 used g2.
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Reasons are simple:
I want a full keyboard,
The price is right (48.88 on upgrade at Wal-Mart)
I don't wanna wait for the Doubleshot,
I don't like the hardware specs of the Sidekick, nor do I want samsung.
Did I mention the price at wal mart? (Cost is a huge deal when you are supporting a family and a mortgage!)
On a happy note, 4g is starting to show up on phones in SE wyoming!

I cant believe this myself but sound like the G series maybe a thing of the past with ATT in the picture. I dont understand how can you drop your best phone! lol

Well I guess this means we won't be getting gingerbread

I'm sure we will, In the article is says nothing about us not getting gingerbread. Just be patient and wait until next month before you worry about it.
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check out this guys comment;
Joey.k 35 minutes ago
The G2 is T-Mobiles freaking most reliable android phone weve carried since the day it came out. I work in one of the most high volume stores in the country and we get the G2 with issues atleast once per 3 weeks and we still manage to trouble shoot and fix the issue on the phone. We don't have any phone that compares to it. Its been 8 months or so since its release and it still rapes in sales . Amazing!!! All you idiots that complain about being on your 3rd or 4th phone. There's one thing we always say in store... "USER ERROR!!!!!!!".I had the phone one month before release and rocked it till about two weeks ago, I got the G2x...still rock solid. Punks!!!
hahaha he makes me feel proud about my good ol' G2

Damn, what the ****?? I don't understand why they're pulling the plug on the G2 when phones like MyTouch 3G Slide is still available.. If anything, do away with that one before you do it on the G2 which is by far a better phone in every single aspect than the MT3GS.

T-mobile needs to get their priorities in order. Mytouch 3G and 3G slide are still sold. They just put G1 on EOL last year I believe. G1 had 3 years of life. While we G2 users only get 9?
-Kiyo

Now, tell me something. What will Gingerbread do for us? My friend is using Gingerbread and he said that there is barely a difference between 2.2 and 2.3. ,
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I'm sure we will, In the article is says nothing about us not getting gingerbread. Just be patient and wait until next month before you worry about it.
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Lol I knew this was coming. They were free when I bought mine last week, I figured id get one before they were done.
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One good thing I can say about this is the g2s will be rare since they won't be in production. Meaning if we want to sell ours we can bump the price. Ha
[G2/HTC Vision]

luis86dr said:
One good thing I can say about this is the g2s will be rare since they won't be in production. Meaning if we want to sell ours we can bump the price. Ha
[G2/HTC Vision]
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Hmm I'm trying to trade mine now for a Nexus S and every buyer wants at least $90 on top. What you said has got me thinking about holding on to it, since mine is in pretty good condition.
But yeah its sad to see the G2 gone. I think with the end of the G2 comes the end of the G series, especially if the the Tmobile buyout goes through.

I suspect one of the major reasons is the sheer number of hardware issues the device has faced - particularly with the screen. I'm on my third g2 in only 8 months and i handle my devices with care (unless you count stock OS which I gutted for cm7 ). Honestly, when i returned my g2 for warrant repair last time I was hoping they could replace it with a different device. Guess not - still, what this will do give those needing warrant repair a way out of the g2 hardware issues and boost the price for well maintained g2s on ebay.

I'm thinking this has to do with something an earlier poster said. The G series may be going away. Despite the G1 being the genesis of Android, nobody in the "mainstream" knows that. Ask an average joe what the first Android phone was, and I'll bet money they'll respond with "the Droid". Marketing does a lot.
I just find it strange how the G2 has been killed off prematurely and how the G2X is "temporarily out of stock". Throw in all of LG's manufacturing woes and the impending release of the MyTouch 4G slide, and the G series looks to be in trouble. Knowing T-Mobile, they'll want to highlight the "consumer-friendly" (and really cheesy, IMO) MyTouch line of phones. Just a theory... I actually hope I'm wrong.

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I'm thinking this has to do with something an earlier poster said. The G series may be going away. Despite the G1 being the genesis of Android, nobody in the "mainstream" knows that. Ask an average joe what the first Android phone was, and I'll bet money they'll respond with "the Droid". Marketing does a lot.
I just find it strange how the G2 has been killed off prematurely and how the G2X is "temporarily out of stock". Throw in all of LG's manufacturing woes and the impending release of the MyTouch 4G slide, and the G series looks to be in trouble. Knowing T-Mobile, they'll want to highlight the "consumer-friendly" (and really cheesy, IMO) MyTouch line of phones. Just a theory... I actually hope I'm wrong.
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I don't see any particular reason for them to continue with the HTC VISION. The HTC DOUBLESHOT (very soon) is basically the same exact phone with a CPU upgrade and a front facing camera... possibly more RAM and internal storage as well. The screen is identical, probably the exact same part, the keyboard is very very similar, etc. Probably the same mainboard with a few different parts soldered onto it, and a different casing.

Also I wonder how much of this has to do with a push to retire phones lacking FFC and NFC - increasingly becoming standard components for android devices.

Anyone going to Purchase the HTC One S?

I'm thinking of getting the HTC One S when tmobile starts to sell it this month. It looks like a great phone and has all the features I want. Was wondering if anyone else is thinking of getting it.

Its nothing compared to the one s though. Better of waiting for the s3 since you'll be using it for two years.

There's nothing wrong with my vib oozing iced butter and bacon right now.I recommend waiting 4 more months and get the G3 or if tmo could get the htc one X that would be a consideration

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There's nothing wrong with my vib oozing iced butter and bacon right now.I recommend waiting 4 more months and get the G3 or if tmo could get the htc one X that would be a consideration
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I beleive that the X is going to at&t while tmobile gets the S...either way im getting one
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i'll probably get one. benchmarks show the S4 dualcore outdoes the T3 quadcore chip. no need to wait around for a One X. By that time, the SGS3 should be out.

I'm actually still waiting for a device for tmobile with a true hd display.. similar to that of the current galaxy nexus. From what I understand the oneX has one but I'm not aware of any plans for it coming over to tmobile. Also personally, I'm not a fan of how the camera protrudes out the back of many htc phones.
Even though I'm quite satisfied with my vibrant running ics passion (occasional gps issues aside).. I've started to notice the lack of power while browsing and the occasional lags more and more. I used my friends galaxyS2 (att) the other day and was blown away at the speed and was left wanting more out of my phone.
I get a sense that tmobile is really dragging their heels in getting better devices. If I didn't have a serious dislike of being on mobile contracts I probably would have jumped ship already. I can live without true 4g.. fake 4g (hspa+) seems plenty fast to me... even my 3g vibrant is probably good enough for what I use the phone for.
I don't know.. just babbling...
and hoping tmobile steps up their game and offers some nicer devices.

All I want is a phone with a 4.7 HD screen, removable batt and micro sd, seems to be hard to find...nothing around the corner, still on the vibrant, nothing in sight so far...Sprint's EVO One (ONE X sprint style) looks great, but it's sprint and their data speeds are crap and no one has them so you use up anytime minutes quick...
There's a few phones I keep seeing, like LG and couple of others, but for some reason the US can't get **** for phones, like the rest of the world does, or if they do it's on att or verizon, and no, I don't want to pay 150/month for my cell phone..

I want a phone with about a 4.3" screen, flash on the camera, removable battery, and Micro SD. Preferably with that new S4 snapdragon... that things appears to be a beast. But I'm looking for a phone that devs are going to get behind. After having been in the Vibrant community, it'd be really hard to live with a phone that didn't have good dev support. I would honestly be really happy with my wife's HTC Amaze 4g if the dev support was more like the Vibrant. That phone is a beast and I can only imagine how smooth it would run with a good rom like CM9 on it. (but it's my wife's so it's staying stock LOL)

The non-removable battery and no Micro SD is a deal breaker for me. I'm also surprised to see only 16Gb of internal storage in any new phone, especially this one.
I need a phone that blows my socks off the same way my Vibrant did after it was rooted and customized. If there are any regrets I'll be seriously disappointed.
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I just want a phone whose GPS works reliably and a good DAC. I mainly use my phone for those two things. I was hoping HTC would've nailed a good DAC (as I'm aware that HTC has the best GPS rigs), but it just wasn't meant to be.

I am going to wait for a better phone. The One S just doesn't do it for me. Sure its probably better than the vibrant but if I'm going to extend my contract, which has been up for about 8 months, I'm going to need a phone that I will be happy with for the next two years. When the next generation of phones which are almost here are offering far superior specs and capabilities, it makes no sense to upgrade to a mildly better phone. T-Mobile should see that and not insult us with "little brother" phones. If I'm paying for it, plus two years on contract, I want my moneys worth. I'm a big boy and I like big boy toys.

I would have loved to get the One S, but would never consider buying a phone with only 16GB and no microSD. I can't tell you how much I want to avoid buying anything from Samsung ever again due to anger over the Vibrant GPS problems and lack of update and other support.

Good phone for the wife?

So we are looking in to switching from Verizon to T-Mobile, currently the wife's # is out of contract and I have been looking into phones I like the price tag of the Nexus 4 and if it where for me I'd get it no questions but it's for the wife. The only phone she has had is an iPhone 4s so I'm wondering if this would be a good replacement? I've looked at some extensive reviews and I'd say yes, but I wanted more of a long term opinion would you guys or gals have your significant other (non techy individual) use this phone?

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So we are looking in to switching from Verizon to T-Mobile, currently the wife's # is out of contract and I have been looking into phones I like the price tag of the Nexus 4 and if it where for me I'd get it no questions but it's for the wife. The only phone she has had is an iPhone 4s so I'm wondering if this would be a good replacement? I've looked at some extensive reviews and I'd say yes, but I wanted more of a long term opinion would you guys or gals have your significant other (non techy individual) use this phone?
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i think that xiaomi red ice for you wife is the correct phone!
it costs around 150$ and it includes miui v5 with android 4.2.2 and they are always updating!
is a chinese brand but the quality is so good and the screen is made by AUO the same as apple!
http://www.xiaomi.es/#!xiaomi-redrice-general/c1kk2

My wife thought the phone was a little to thick for her to use with one hand comfortably. (No jokes please).
Her last 2 phones were a HTZ Rezound and a Motorola RAZR M. She said she has no idea how people use phones with bigger screens then that but then she held the HTC ONE. Well needless to say, she ended up with the HTC ONE. It felt thinner and narrower in her hand then the N4.
Could she have used the N4, yes but another one of her requirments was a good camera...
As long as the size is okay for your wife and based on her other requirements in a phone, the phone itself and the software just running stock 4.3 work perfect. With older versions of Android I would usually say you really would need to tweak it for the average user to enjoy it but 4.3 is running better then ever and can pretty much please anyone just running stock. Heck, I am running stock and don't feel the need to change right now to a custom. Only tweak I really needed was to make the Nav bar smaller and it is perfect now!

bucket81 said:
So we are looking in to switching from Verizon to T-Mobile, currently the wife's # is out of contract and I have been looking into phones I like the price tag of the Nexus 4 and if it where for me I'd get it no questions but it's for the wife. The only phone she has had is an iPhone 4s so I'm wondering if this would be a good replacement? I've looked at some extensive reviews and I'd say yes, but I wanted more of a long term opinion would you guys or gals have your significant other (non techy individual) use this phone?
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Without hesitation!!
I got one for mine and she loves it...I left it all stock, but did root it as she likes to change fonts like the weather changes...IDK why but I'm not going to ask her...Sometimes you're better off not knowing why
It took her a little getting use to the size difference. Had a 4s and an Atrix 4g.
Now she wouldn't go back. No lagging runs smooth as glass...speaking of which
If you do get her 1 I'd recommend getting a case right away as they are a slippery phone and glass front and back.
AS for the camera not being outstanding...it's a phone 1st and foremost, and takes some decent pics with a little tweaking.
There is a thread showing off some pics in the general section...Link Here
The price vs performance ratio can't be matched right now.
No contract crap, updates before any other phones, you own a quad core phone outright for a couple hundred $$.
Deal!!
Good Luck!!

I swear to God that when I read your post I read: "Good phone OR wife" hahahahahaha
That happens to a lot of people in here... including myself... if we get a good phone, we may lose our wives! hahahahahaha

Like mentioned by one of the previous users, Android 4.3 has come a long ways. For the first time, I am actually running the stock ROM (with root and a few modifications). For the average consumer, the N4 is a very viable option, ESPECIALLY at the current price of 199/249.
Size could be a concern and the HTC One is definitely a better design for folks who have small hands, but I think the N4 is by no means uncomfortable. Having come from a HTC Sensation and Galaxy Nexus, the phone feels better in my hands than either of the two previous devices.

8gb are gone now, only 16gb($249) is currently available. Just ordered one saturday and shipped today. Hopefully im not disappointed when i get it

1slow4G said:
8gb are gone now, only 16gb($249) is currently available. Just ordered one saturday and shipped today. Hopefully im not disappointed when i get it
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There is definitley nothing to be dissapointed with! Coming from an S3 I don't miss it at all. With the wife having an HTC ONE, it is a great device for her but I would personally take an N4 any day.
Stock Android with quick updates just cannot be beat! Also, I do not even understand why they made this phone in an 8GB version. Talk about limiting a device and what you can do with it. What is there like 4-5GB of usable space when it is all said and done.
Good thing for people buying one today that there are no 8GB ones left. You will be happier with the 16GB which is still kind of pushing the low end size of memory but is at least somewhat do-able.

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There is definitley nothing to be dissapointed with! Coming from an S3 I don't miss it at all. With the wife having an HTC ONE, it is a great device for her but I would personally take an N4 any day.
Stock Android with quick updates just cannot be beat! Also, I do not even understand why they made this phone in an 8GB version. Talk about limiting a device and what you can do with it. What is there like 4-5GB of usable space when it is all said and done.
Good thing for people buying one today that there are no 8GB ones left. You will be happier with the 16GB which is still kind of pushing the low end size of memory but is at least somewhat do-able.
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Thanks for the insight.. and yeah i love the phone overall, based on the reviews, videos, pictures online. The only thing that can really disappoint me are the negative things i keep reading online, major issues with it. Some on top of my head are: "Sleep of death", "Reception really bad", "call buz", "battery Leaking" "Red light of death" all of those make me not want the phone LOL. I know this does not mean ALL devices come with these problems, just saying I would hate to recieve a Lemon Lol

Well it looks like we might have to put the switch on hold her car is acting up and I fear it will need a transmission.. I did the math and if I buy out of our Verizon contract for the other 2 lines we would end up saving around $250 in the first 15 months that's after paying $450 to end the contract. And that's with getting 3 new phones on tmoble. Might just get a G2.

bucket81 said:
Well it looks like we might have to put the switch on hold her car is acting up and I fear it will need a transmission.. I did the math and if I buy out of our Verizon contract for the other 2 lines we would end up saving around $250 in the first 15 months that's after paying $450 to end the contract. And that's with getting 3 new phones on tmoble. Might just get a G2.
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If your wife's contract has ended can't you just unlock the iphone? It would save money, even though I hate iphones

pepdavies said:
If your wife's contract has ended can't you just unlock the iphone? It would save money, even though I hate iphones
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Doesn't work. While you can unlock the iPhone 4s from other carriers you can not from Verizon, unlocking a verizon phone only let's it work international nor on local networks. Unless I missed something bc I'd be all over that if someone has info I don't.