Today's to do list:
differences between Samsung roms (jh, jm)
Stuff I'm working on long term:
making this thing entertaining!
all around polish and beautification
If you want to give me things to put in here, either hashtag #CappyBible or mention me on twitter: @androidrocks135. PMs on xda work too, but I'm not going to check those very much.
Hey guys, I'm making a Captivate Bible that lists all of the ROMs, kernels, and other what not so that you can look at the important stuff without having to go through and pick the things that you want to read. I will try my best to keep this constantly updated, but I AM HUMAN so there will undoubtedly be lapses. Please, kernel folks, ROM makers, everyone, let me know on twitter when you post a new thread that you think should go in the bible. My twitter is http://www.twitter.com/androidrocks135. I'll be editing this thing to make it entertaining like the one in the G1 forum, but to start off it'll be kind of plain.
To start this off, I'll go with kernels.
KERNELS
i9000 Reoriented: http://tiny.cc/75s2i
Unhelpful Kernel: http://tiny.cc/z16p5
Voodoo Lagfix Kernel: http://tiny.cc/da6cr
ROMS
AOSP FroYo Beta Molecule http://tiny.cc/f7p1f
VanillaCaptivate (AOSP 2.1): http://tiny.cc/fu3qc (still in alpha)
COGNITION v2.2 BETA (previously SRE by Designgears): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786532
Frankin-Twiz: http://tiny.cc/4vc56
Captivate-Deodexed-JH7 stock: http://tiny.cc/87wiw
Eugene's Vibrant Hybrid R3 http://tiny.cc/43v8p
Shep211's JPK\JI6 ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803569
Stock ROM (Odin one click): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989
HACKS AND SUCH
GPS Fix (works for me!): http://tiny.cc/uhg15
FightSpits Evo BlackBar and Battery gauge: http://tiny.cc/v30gf
LCD Density hack for high-res look: http://tiny.cc/dm66w
HOW-TO
Enable Non-Market apps on Captivate: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738376
Galaxy S I9000 ROMs on Captivate: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734871
OTHER USEFUL LINKS
USB Drivers for Windows:
64 bit: http://tiny.cc/80pq0
32 bit: http://tiny.cc/eakc6
One click root and unroot: http://tiny.cc/5ojv6
Button combinations for the blessed: http://tiny.cc/q4phx
Clockworkmod Recovery by Koush: http://tiny.cc/b9r9o
Samsung ROMs-There are a few of these floating around. The JM series doesn't work correctly with our Captivates unless you load a new kernel. The reason being is the three buttons on the front of the i9000 vs the four on the Captivate. The JF series of firmware will work correctly (other than obvious glitches). JF7 is supposed to be released via OTA this Friday. If you're rooted, unless you are experienced with Odin, I wouldn't try it. Also, if you're running a lagfix, be sure to remove it before applying the update.
That's all for now, let me know if I missed something, if you want me to put your hack, ROM or kernel up in the bible, preferably through Twitter, but posting in this thread will work too. I'll be adding a lot more, so keep checking back.
i was just thinking today how we needed this!! It is just starting to get to the point of being too much to follow....if i were just coming into the scene now, i would not have a clue where to start and this definitely helps! Thanks man
buddy17 said:
i was just thinking today how we needed this!! It is just starting to get to the point of being too much to follow....if i were just coming into the scene now, i would not have a clue where to start and this definitely helps! Thanks man
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I know, I just had to take matters into my own hands, hopefully I'll be able to keep up with this... I'll do my best! Make sure to keep checking back, I'll be adding lots of stuff over the next few days.
Add Eugene's Vibrant Hybrid R3 for the ROM section, and I would actually remove the AOSP as it really isnt a complete and fully working ROM.
Well I just want to get a solid base down before I go and do some tinkering, but thanks for feedback.
From mah fonez
blackjackboy said:
Well I just want to get a solid base down before I go and do some tinkering, but thanks for feedback.
From mah fonez
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No problem.
I'd just like to see a listing of the stock Samsung ROMs, like JM6, JH7 whatever they are. I get confused as to which one was the OEM stock, and in what order they were put out.
Yeah sure, I'll handle that tomorrow.
From mah fonez
Hey Blackjackboy, I was wondering if you could include all the different methods of getting into recovery and download mode in this thread.
When I was trying to unbrick my phone, I really needed a central place for all the different methods that had worked for people.
I think it would help a lot of people. If you want, I could start another thread, but it is already getting too crowded.
Let me know, if you need any help gathering all of that info or people could just post them here and you could add them in the first post. (hopefully, no overlaps)
In addition to posting the various firmwares available at the moment, some links to Odin (One Click and Odin3) and a quick tutorial on both? Just find one of the various Zilch posts where he's explained how to use it to someone.
A lot of questions I see are about flashing to stock or other firmwares in the various ROM threads, when that doesn't need to be explained so many times.
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blackjackboy said:
Today's to do list:
differences between Samsung roms (jh, jm)
create a button combination thread so that this post doesn't get overcrowded
Hey guys, I'm making a Captivate Bible that lists all of the ROMs, kernels, and other what not so that you can look at the important stuff without having to go through and pick the things that you want to read. I will try my best to keep this constantly updated, but I AM HUMAN so there will undoubtedly be lapses. Please, kernel folks, ROM makers, everyone, let me know on twitter when you post a new thread that you think should go in the bible. My twitter is http://www.twiter.com/androidrocks135. I'll be editing this thing to make it entertaining like the one in the G1 forum, but to start off it'll be kind of plain.
To start this off, I'll go with kernels.
KERNELS
i9000 Reoriented: http://tiny.cc/75s2i
Unhelpful Kernel: http://tiny.cc/z16p5
Voodoo Lagfix Kernel: http://tiny.cc/da6cr
ROMS
VanillaCaptivate (AOSP 2.1): http://tiny.cc/fu3qc (still in alpha)
COGNITION (previously SRE by Designgears): http://tiny.cc/xtabd
Frankin-Twiz: http://tiny.cc/4vc56
Captivate-Deodexed-JH7 stock: http://tiny.cc/87wiw
Eugene's Vibrant Hybrid R3 (link soon)
Stock ROM (Odin one click)-(link soon)
HACKS AND SUCH
GPS Fix (works for me!): http://tiny.cc/uhg15
FightSpits Evo BlackBar and Battery gauge: http://tiny.cc/v30gf
LCD Density hack for high-res look: http://tiny.cc/dm66w
OTHER USEFUL LINKS
USB Drivers for Windows:
64 bit: http://tiny.cc/80pq0
32 bit: http://tiny.cc/eakc6
One click root and unroot: http://tiny.cc/5ojv6
Clockworkmod Recovery by Koush: http://tiny.cc/b9r9o
That's all for now, let me know if I missed something, if you want me to put your hack, ROM or kernel up in the bible, preferably through Twitter, but posting in this thread will work too. I will be adding more in the next few minutes, so keep checking back.
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I put in a good word for you and this thread on the Captivate Facebook fan page!
Excellent work! Keep it up
NICE!!! As a guy just getting into the Android scene 3 days ago...LOL I really appreciate this as it's is definitely helping a lot. I still have to do a lot more reading thats for, thanks again!
Dude, you rock thank you for this!
The Wiki has a lot of this stuff too. In my opinion the wiki is a better place for it all because we don't have to rely on one person to do the updates.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-I897
glio1337 said:
The Wiki has a lot of this stuff too. In my opinion the wiki is a better place for it all because we don't have to rely on one person to do the updates.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-I897
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Nice, completely forgot about that. Thanks!
I think the wiki is a better place too.
How about this, list of RF_CAL_DATE's that have 3 button recovery/download mode disabled.
Here's what I've put together so far and how to check BEFORE you start modding.
Those of you that are missing 3 button recovery and download mode, if your phone is working do this,
go to the phone keypad, dial *#*#197328640#*#* from there it will pull the service menu, go to Version Info, SW Version, READ ALL SW VERSION
Look at the line labeled RF CAL DATE.
Mine for example is, RF CAL DATE 07-11-2010 and my buttons work.
List of known RF CAL DATE's that buttons do NOT work!
8-7-2010
8-11-2010
8-12-2010
8-13-2010
8-15-2010
8-18-2010
8-20-2010
8-23-2010
8-24-2010
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Thank you for your efforts, which are really appreciated.
Though, I don't see anything about the "radios" for the captivate, and I my main issue right now is dealing with a bad radio installed while a friend installed the I-9000 room on my captivate...
That would be me. The terminology is confusing but I keep reading. As a suggestion for the "bible" Some sort of architecture drawing showing how things fit together and maybe some videos of rooting, clockwork recovery, Odin, flashing etc. This is a pretty sophiticated group but there many of us that are very cautious and like to see something being done at least once. Probably after that I'll realize how dumb I am but for the moment...
blackjackboy said:
Today's to do list:
differences between Samsung roms (jh, jm)
create a button combination thread so that this post doesn't get overcrowded
If you want to give me things to put in here, either hashtag #CappyBible or mention me @androidrocks135. PMs on xda work too, but I'm not going to check those very much.
Hey guys, I'm making a Captivate Bible that lists all of the ROMs, kernels, and other what not so that you can look at the important stuff without having to go through and pick the things that you want to read. I will try my best to keep this constantly updated, but I AM HUMAN so there will undoubtedly be lapses. Please, kernel folks, ROM makers, everyone, let me know on twitter when you post a new thread that you think should go in the bible. My twitter is http://www.twiter.com/androidrocks135. I'll be editing this thing to make it entertaining like the one in the G1 forum, but to start off it'll be kind of plain.
That's all for now, let me know if I missed something, if you want me to put your hack, ROM or kernel up in the bible, preferably through Twitter, but posting in this thread will work too. I will be adding more in the next few minutes, so keep checking back.
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Thanks a lot for that - after reading tonns of paper from this forum i even not sure to flash the right firmware to my cappy exept to work fine here in EUROPE
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Hey guys, hoping you guys can give some insight to a noob on this. I am looking to install a good rom on my phone. I'm leaning how to do this, but what I am looking for is speed and functionality. Themes are not that important, but would be cool. I do have the DK28 and is rooted, so I might need a good video to show me how to rom this phone properly. But as far as rom's go, I'm looking for one that is a really good rom.
Thanks in advance
Mike
Welcome to Rooting your phone. As far as the best ROM? There is no one best ROM, everyone has a different preference and outlook on speed. Any of the latest EXT4 ROMs will probably suit you though. Here is a link that will help you pretty much with everything you need:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SPH-D700
They have guides on how to ROOT, ROM, THEME and other things. It has the links to kernels, roms, themes all there. Hope that helps, and good luck.
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Hey guys, hoping you guys can give some insight to a noob on this. I am looking to install a good rom on my phone. I'm leaning how to do this, but what I am looking for is speed and functionality. Themes are not that important, but would be cool. I do have the DK28 and is rooted, so I might need a good video to show me how to rom this phone properly. But as far as rom's go, I'm looking for one that is a really good rom.
Thanks in advance
Mike
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I have had good experience with most all of them:
ACS
Nebula
Mammon
Quantum
Viper
Im going to the new Nebula (twin Jets) now with EXT4
Have fun and good luck
What's EX-4? I'm not familar with that. Also is there a page to show these roms as I know new ones are coming out all the time. tHANKS AGAIN FOR THE POSTS.
This belongs in general not development, noob.
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I didn't see noob post anywhere in this thread...
Oh I'm sorry you were trying to be an unhelpful jackass, got ya
Thanks NNYfan.
Some people right? lol
Viper Rom or Supernova are my favorite
popularbelief420 said:
This belongs in general not development, noob.
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Cool thanks. Are there any video's that show how these are installed? I saw some on youtube, but they were not that great of quality, and was unable to really get a good view of how to do it.
Thanks again
Videos
These videos don't show how they are installed but give a nice overview of some of the most popular current roms. I found them really useful.
http://www.youtube.com/user/randyshear#p/u
Thanks viper. I'm looking though them now. Just trying to find a video on how to install a rom. I have picked one out and looking for instruction on how t install. I don't want to brick the phone since it's my company phone.
I did it. Viper rom installed. Was not too hard. Found a good video for it. Thanks for the help everyone.
mazspeed said:
I did it. Viper rom installed. Was not too hard. Found a good video for it. Thanks for the help everyone.
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The fun part is thanks to nandroid backups you can try out a ton of roms (I flash a new one every couple of days, now I'm back at dl18 playing the waiting game)
From what i've seen most roms share all of the major fixes and use similar tweaks and optimizations that they borrow from other devs... and the only notable difference i've seen between them is theme and how much they include in the rom extras wise (apps, live wallpapers, etc).
Viper rom has a lot of updates but I wasnt too much of a fan of the overall look of it
Mammons bonsai rom is lovely and I <3 it
Midnight Rom is excellent too and one of the best themes in my opinion, though if i remember correctly he does away with Twiz launcher and uses launcher pro(could be mistaken though i'm really tired and have used too many roms)
Epic Experience was the first rom that I flashed and works great, but I was mainly playing with the others lately since they have more frequent updates
Quantum Rom - daemon is brilliant and am looking forward to his next release
Supernova - I did try it out but I honestly don't remember what features it had
Nebula - Tried this out too, supposed to be more stable/straight forward rom for stable professional people who dont want inflated quadrant scores or flashy live wallpapers (I might be quoting a different rom, if so i apologize)
Syndicate Rom - Awesome as well but its not for dk28 xD
Overall all the roms are amazing the only differences REALLY notable to me is that some use AOSP lockscreen by default, some use TWiz lock/launcher, some use ADW... launcher pro... but all of that is changeable with a flashable zip/apk...I tend to prefer mammon and quantum rom nowadays since iirc mammon made the call log fix and gps fix and daemon is doing all this ext4/cwm work and they seem to be leading up the race with innovation and knowledge (not saying others arent knowledgeable... i know nothing of developing i'm just guessing here)
EDIT: forgot to mention, only reason im not on dk28 right now is that personally I have minor bugs with it such as the one where you call somebody and it doesnt ring or make any sound but it actually calls them, and some other minor issues. I figured i'd wait for official froyo to drop and continue testing out roms when I get bored
Oh and theres also cyanogen mod which is sexy and amazing but is prebeta and buggy (signal bars not working, MMS is broken, etc)
Although I agree that he could have been nicer about it, these posts absolutely do not belong in the development forum. Questions about "which rom is best for me?" Definitely belong in general. The reason some people (myself included) aren't often very nice about it is becase it is increasingly becoming a problem. The op really should take the time to read the stickies before cluttering up the dev forum. Everyone should.
Also, calling someone a jackass- even if they are being one- almost never shows them the error of their ways.
NYYFan325 said:
I didn't see noob post anywhere in this thread...
Oh I'm sorry you were trying to be an unhelpful jackass, got ya
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Thanks to both of you. I as a beginner in this didn't know where to post. Thanks for the lessons.
Mike
P.S If I do change rom's do I have to flash everytime and lose my apps and info? I save contacts on the SD card, but will stick with viper rom if I have to flash the phone for other roms. It get's kind of time consuming.
mazspeed said:
Thanks to both of you. I as a beginner in this didn't know where to post. Thanks for the lessons.
Mike
P.S If I do change rom's do I have to flash every time and lose my apps and info? I save contacts on the SD card, but will stick with viper rom if I have to flash the phone for other roms. It get's kind of time consuming.
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It is best to get titanium backup (from the market) that way u can back up your apps and you can use Backup to Gmail (also from the market) to backup contacts, call log, and messages. That makes flashing different roms a lot easier. (In my opinion)
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I didn't see noob post anywhere in this thread...
Oh I'm sorry you were trying to be an unhelpful jackass, got ya
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This does not belong here. Follow the forum rules. Even this little rom question belongs on General!
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Thread moved to General.
mazspeed said:
Thanks to both of you. I as a beginner in this didn't know where to post. Thanks for the lessons.
Mike
P.S If I do change rom's do I have to flash everytime and lose my apps and info? I save contacts on the SD card, but will stick with viper rom if I have to flash the phone for other roms. It get's kind of time consuming.
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Aside from titanium (which i never really used much, guess I should try it out as it can make backups every night while you sleep if you set it to)
You can also make a NANDroid backup via rom manager//clockwork mod which when you restore will restore everything down to cache to be the same. same texts in your inbox even xD.
EDIT: Also if you have your phone linked to a google account when you go through the setup wizard (on some roms) it auto downloads the apps you had installed before from the market as well as contacts, etc. But if you want an instant restore to the same settings/wifi/etc then I prefer nandroid (idk if titanium does all that I think it just backups apps)
also note that along with most roms you can customize them to your liking. you can change the boot animations (given they use a kernel that allows it... if the rom has a custom boot animation already it'd work by flashign one in CWM), theme, battery look, keyboard, launch options, lockscreen. You could always just get a not-flashy basic rom that incorporates the basic fixes that people want (faster gps lock/5mb mms/call log fix) and theme it all yourself in the themes and apps subforum. The gingerbread theme is nice and nova has a list of boot animations and battery mods in his supernova rom page :3. If you're interested in that I'd say go for epic experience as I'm partial to it and he includes an "extras" page with downloads to all that hes removed such as the live wallpapers, samsung widgets, etc.
.... well, pretty much everything, from flashing roms to boot screens.
Most of the instructions, both here and modaco and other sites are well documented, but arnt easy for the layman to follow or to know why one does something in a process.
Id like to see a blow by blow guide with commented out notes so us noobs can get a grasp as to whats happening.
Perhaps with a clear difficulty level to show whats tried and tested and whats at an alpha stage for eg the cm mod vs pauls mod to stop fopk getting unstuck.
Comments?
Rgds
Lok
Would be nice to have a list of all the various mods and roms for the Vega with links and tutorials. There's a thread like that on Modaco I think, but I believe its just related to Paul's mod and usb drivers.
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you'll prob find quite a lot of stuff coming from me in respect of lower end stuff in the coming weeks - tutorials and the like. I've been concentrating on my defy recently but am going to put that to one side and concentrate on the vega for a while. I have observed and understand fully there are alot of new people to Android and its well needed.
Hello all
Modaco and here have always had alot of great advice, but for utterly new users some terms etc are diff to understand.
I know that flashing a rom isnt for the faint hearted,, but with a device like the vega, which is essentially crippled without pauls rom etc itd be great to get a simple guide to make this devce wha it could be.
Btw apologies for terrible spelling, but the stock vega keybioard is a pain.
Looking forward to any unbiased guides.
Rgds
Lok
I've been endlessly scouring this section of the forums for the last few weeks trying to figure out which rom would work best for me. There is one problem though, I can't for the life of me figure out which things work/do not work in each of the major roms. It's really important to me that nothing/minimal is broken in a rom that I choose. I'm hoping to make and maintain a list of specifically what does NOT work in each rom to help make the choices easier to sift through. The 1st posts of official rom threads usually have some things listed, but reading through the (million page) threads yields more issues.
The only problem, however, may be that most people are using a different combo of kernal/rom/hardware which obviously changes things, so I'm hoping to try and sift through that too. Perhaps make some tables to make it easier.
The Evo rom wiki has tables but only outlines basic functions.
*Mods: thought long and hard about which section to put this in, I think it's best served here.
*Devs: I'd love personal input here if possible. Thanks.
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*Mods: thought long and hard about which section to put this in, I think it's best served here
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Just sayin. This section is supposed to be for posting ROMs and development related items.
I'm not a mod so It's up to them, but, this should be in Q&A.
JoeLithium said:
Just sayin. This section is supposed to be for posting ROMs and development related items.
I'm not a mod so It's up to them, but, this should be in Q&A.
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Well, it is directly related to ROMs and development, but yeah if this isn't the right section please move it.
I totally understand the problem your having though. It's a bit unorganized but it's partially because of the vast development community that the Evo has. There is a wiki at the top of this section that might grant a little more insight. I don't know if it's exactly what your looking for.
P.S.
I do like to play "forum police" though I'm not a mod. I can understand why you posted here and it wasn't a blatant disregard for the rules. So no biggy to me anyway. The reason I get pissed is because it's already so cluttered that more threads make it that much harder.
You have to look in the OP of each thread in the android decelopement section and choose based on what you need from your phone and what you want. Myn's warm twopointtwo works perfectly for a sense rom and there is a cyanogenmod 7 beta with ewimax out now. So it has everything but HDMI working for a gingerbread aosp rom
Well here are some tips for you:
If it's a stock based Sense rom then everything should work unless the dev is an idiot.
If it's an AOSP rom then everything but hdmi and 4g should work (and 4g actually has a fix and can be made to work now)
If it's a port of another rom then hdmi, 4g, and typically the camera won't work (but this usually gets fixed). Sometimes various sensors aren't working properly either (like orientation)
We take a stock Rom and a stock kernel and twist the hell out of it way beyond its means and then ***** about what works and what does not!
Bad topic!
Devs don't want to hear this crap that what pm's
Are for and ops and such I understand you but worthless topic and it only benefits you and not the community!
You can't even follow edicit
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I had the same problem as you a while back. In my opinion, if you are rooted you have already done the hard work. You now have a custom recovery with nandroid, a godsend, which you can use to fall back on if anything were to go wrong. My advice would be to just take the plunge. Grab a handful of ROMS that sound suitable to your needs and start to flash them. If you get stuck in bootloops or the ROM isn't what you want, all you have to do is nandroid and start over. I would recommend to give each ROM at least 2 battery cycles before you decide. On my setup, it seems to take a bit to "settle in". I think if you tried to make tables of ALL possibilities it would be mind boggling to sift through.
I realize this isn't a direct answer to your question, its just my thoughts. Hope it helps and good luck!
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We take a stock Rom and a stock kernel and twist the hell out of it way beyond its means and then ***** about what works and what does not!
Bad topic!
Devs don't want to hear this crap that what pm's
Are for and ops and such I understand you but worthless topic and it only benefits you and not the community!
You can't even follow edicit
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To the Op, If its sense based, nothing will be broken. If the rom is AOSP, then 4G and HDMI are broken, however Cyanogenmod is the only AOSP rom with a semi-functional 4G. Also if the rom is Gingerbread 4G, and HDMI are broken, and likewise again, Cyanogenmod 7 is the only Gingerbread mod with a semi-working 4G. The way the ROM's work right now unless its an alpha wimax ROM for AOSP, then flashing a different kernel won't affect the features of the ROM, unless you forgot to wipe before flashing. You can simplify your list down to 2 categories Sense and AOSP, if its SENSE everything works, if its AOSP, 4g and HDMI are broken, and under the AOSP you can list the 2 Alpha releases of wimax for Cyanogen.
Simply put, if you want everything to work, then try these Sense based Roms:
Mikfroyo: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883026
Myn's Warm: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471
Calkulin's EVIO: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745205
If you don't mind not having 4G(or don't live in a 4G area), and don't plan to use HDMI, then check out these AOSP Roms:
MIUI: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915527
Cyanogen mod 6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735596
Evervolv (gingerbread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878020
Cyanogen mod7 (gingerbread): 2 Links below
ROM: http://mirror.teamdouche.net/?type=nightly&device=supersonic
GAPPS: http://goo-inside.me/gapps/gapps-gb-20110120-signed.zip
*****To eVoKINGS******
Learn manners please KINGS, the guy thought he had the correct section, and apologized if it was the incorrect section and requested it be moved. If you don't like it don't post in it, he was already informed by others that it was the incorrect section, and then you had to try and jump down his throat about it.
Your posts are composed like they belong to a 12 year old kid googling words to sound older. You can't blame it on auto-correct, I use my EVO to compose a-lot of text messages and the words are never misspelled because I proof read what I type with it, so that I don't come across jabbering like an idiot.
And yes i realize my retort back at Kings is completely contradictory to what I had just typed.
Thanks so much. I was just trying to help the 'tweeners' in my position, those who have some but not too much experience with roms. And the entire reason I even asked/bothered to offer my time was because each ROM thread has numerous issues that are hard to decipher as being general widespread issues, or single isolated issues, and the process of sifting through gargantuan threads is pretty tedious.
small example: some roms have keyboard display issues
But I digress
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And to eVoKings, yeah it's awesome that you take a kernel and rom and twist the hell out of it, but in the end I'm the one using the kernel/rom and still want it to be fully functional (and everybody has a different definition of what exactly that constitutes). I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people who actually THANK devs, it's great. But you have to learn to take criticism too (even if it's free)
I understand, after 2+ years, that ROM development and the forums for the EVO are gonna slow down. Devs are going to move on to other devices, but there is a really disturbing trend here that is irritating the hell out of me.
ROMs used to be released as Aplha's Beta's RC's, final, etc. You could look at the OP and see everything about the ROM. Devs took their time crafting something unique.
Now, I'm seeing these ROMS come out at a rapid pace and I'm not liking it for several reasons.
1) Poorly written OP's that don't even list the Android base version or the kernel, etc.
2) The same ROM with different names and the only real differences are a few 3rd party apps, or a slight theme change.
3) ROMs released as finals, with a ton of bugs. I'm not talking about FFC, Netflix, 4G bugs on ICS/JB ROMS; I'm talking about ROMS with no Wifi, for example. The majority use WiFi. Why the HELL would you release something where one of the most important aspects doesn't even work?? It's like not paying attention to details is suddenly OK
Settings that don't stick. Sounds that don't stick. Constant System Process Errors. These are pre-release errors, and I don't see them getting fixed, because it's become like a race to port every other ROM from every other device and tweak to boot up on the Evo, then letting it go.
I REALLY wish I could take the time and learn how to properly cook up my own ROM. My OCD of paying attention to details would probably make it great.
Hipkat thats the best thing ive heard in weeks,someone finally speaking out about the BS thats being posted now days and its like everyones in a race to see who can come out with the most borked roms,lol,like you said,they are all the same,except the apps and some themeing and half of them cant do that either,i'm sure this isnt meant to be a bashing session,its just getting rediculous with the drama some are causing and all the crappy ass roms being released,some guys do know what their doing,theres been 1 or 2 that i've put out that i shouldnt have,but come on guys at least take your time and try to do it right,only takes a little common sense and effort.If you havent noticed,over half the members and devs have left because of the BS,when i started doing roms,it was fun,nows its just a big joke,lol.
I dont care if anyone gets pissed about this and i'm sure they will,but oh well life goes on,you will eventually get over it.
It's definitely not a bashing, but a call for Devs to take a little more time and do it right
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It's definitely not a bashing, but a call for Devs to take a little more time and do it right
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I don't Dev, Cook, Build, Port or whatever term is used so I have alot of respect for those that do. With that being said I would also state that I am in complete agreement with you and Diablo.
I look at damned near every topic started in the Dev forum just to see what is being made. I take weeks to look at a new ROM and follow the threads to see what comes of it (with the only exception being Mazda's new CAJB ROM. On that one I went with name recognition and am pleased that I did)
In regards to the mass influx of ROMs I'll say this: If you guys don't take the time to keep up with each item you produce, work on bugs, add new options, answer questions from the users then you'll soon find yourself out of favor. Your reputation here, just like in RL, is something of value. It takes very little to earn trust, respect and loyalty. Most people will always give you the benefit of the doubt. Do something to devalue that trust and it can be nearly impossible to regain.
I think some wisdom can be gleaned by the following quote:
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I've seen devs, chefs, hackers, w/e, that make statements like "I do this for myself and just choose to share" or things to that effect. I call BS. I won't speak for anyone else but myself when I say, I do this for the thrill of it, for the challenge, to learn, and to share. I'd be lying if I said I didn't care about d/l numbers or that seeing my thanks meter grow did not give me some juvenalalistic (is that a word?) thrill. The fact is, guys like me doing this stuff get off on it...
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We know why you do it, and if you want to keep your junkies and not lose your rep, then make sure you take the time to Develop your craft and thereby make a better product for the masses...
Sorry for the rant
Well said, and nice quote from Jamie, who, btw, you notice took a lot of time with Reloaded
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Well said, and nice quote from Jamie, who, btw, you notice took a lot of time with Reloaded
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...lol, 'nuff said!
I think everyone needs to remember the difference between Development and Port / Theme / Tweak / Mod. That simple labeling would be a start
Over in Evo LTE land, they have finally recognized this distinction by creating entirely separate forums for "HTC EVO 4G LTE Android Development" and "HTC EVO 4G LTE Original Android Development"
One is for tweaks or ports, and the other is for people who actually compile something.
I made a request for the same original dev section but got denied as our device is to old.
I agree that there are a ton of ports and not enough originality or bugs being fixed. What I would like to state us that the op is stating that a lot have some third party apps but that's like calling the kettle black. You yourself have a rerelease of a miui from where all you did was slap your team name in the thread. I believe the original thread still exists. I'm not calling you out at all but at the same time the work that goes into all these ports or mods or what not is a ton. I myself have my rom thread and some new stuff coming out but I don't call people out usually on their stuff unless its a pure kang(meaning an actual using of ur work with out permission) not a duplicate port.
Yeah some of the revs here could put a little more work in and for sure learn to organize their rom thread a whole hell of a lot better but at the same time who else do u see bringing the newest and best to a two year old device.
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It's not that they have 3rd party apps, all ROMS do, it's that some ROMS are just the same ROM with a few different 3rd party apps, or a slight variation in theming, and I mean real slight, but tbh, my biggest beef was with the OP not even listing what kernel is in the ROM, or if it has A2SD or a way to get it working, or the version of Android it's based on, etc.
Add in bug reports that get ignored or the person posting the report gets demeaned for it.
Mostly, it's just the sloppiness that I see going on over the last few months. Too hasty to release something without really perfecting it first
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It's not that they have 3rd party apps, all ROMS do, it's that some ROMS are just the same ROM with a few different 3rd party apps, or a slight variation in theming, and I mean real slight, but tbh, my biggest beef was with the OP not even listing what kernel is in the ROM, or if it has A2SD or a way to get it working, or the version of Android it's based on, etc.
Add in bug reports that get ignored or the person posting the report gets demeaned for it.
Mostly, it's just the sloppiness that I see going on over the last few months. Too hasty to release something without really perfecting it first
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I can agree with that there. sloppy op's without all the listings of what is added or taken out and what its running with a q & a section amoung other things.
I feel like we developers and porters alike should make a check list. Every time you want to post something, run through the list and then once everything is there, read again. If it seems like a business proposition (detailed, understandable, provocative and complete) then, that is the right moment to unleash it.
Thats exactly what i do,i make a list in notepad of what i want to do to the rom,then i go through and check it off as i go,wahla,i have a channelog,so to speak,then post it on the thread.Just like in my 4 Kornerz thread..... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1612933
Same thing I'm gonna do as I try and update this MIUI GB ROM
What's funny is that the main reason I always hated opening ROM threads is because I'm completely OCD and feel like the posts have to make perfect sense. I try for my thread to make a little bit of sense at least at this point. And I try to keep change logs, bug reports & FAQs up to date.
But then again, I only have one ROM thread in this device section.
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Current Device: HTC EVO 4G LTE | ROM: toasted-deck CM10 | Kernel: Stock
Kernel should be listed.
a2sd included/not included AND if a specific version is known to work/not work.
Gapps included/not included (you can usually tell from the size of the ROM, but still)
SuperSU vs. Superuser
Wifi and data working/not working
Boot animation audio (can lead to uncomfortable moments when flashing in restrooms, in bed, around family or in TSA security lines--- yes, all personal experiences)
Probably much more...
RootzWiki kinda sorta tried to standardize some of that in OP headers. Would be cool to see that concept expanded in a visually pleasing manner. But, I know people like sprucing up their OP to their liking. Example:
Source: https://github.com/s...mmc-ra-recovery
Mod Type: Recovery Difficulty: Moderate Mod Status: Kang Mod Base: Carrier:
Requires Root: Yes Apply In: Fastboot Optional: Themed Optional: Android Version:
I think ports are great. If the developer is planning on just bringing it over and leaving it alone I think that's fine, but they should be upfront and say "Hey, I did this. Probably won't do any more with it myself, but anyone is welcome to add to it. Otherwise, enjoy."
What I'd really like to see is the people who respond first after an OP + OP reserved do something with that slot besides planting their flag of happening to be online at the right time (e.g. "First. Looks cool!"). They could take the lead, especially for very active developers with many ROMs and threads, to follow that thread and maintain an updated ROM Cheat Sheet/Known Fixes post. How many times have you followed the development of a ROM and things like the new boot animation didn't make it into the next update because the developer forgot. Then people post, "Hey, what happened to the boot ani" five or six times. Then a nice person posts it on Dropbox. Then a few people say other things. Then people repeat the question. Then people point them to the Dropbox link two pages back. Repeat. Repeat. Probably wouldn't matter though since a lot of people never read the OP. They sure wouldn't read that. I'll shut up.
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Kernel should be listed.
a2sd included/not included AND if a specific version is known to work/not work.
Gapps included/not included (you can usually tell from the size of the ROM, but still)
SuperSU vs. Superuser
Wifi and data working/not working
Boot animation audio (can lead to uncomfortable moments when flashing in restrooms, in bed, around family or in TSA security lines--- yes, all personal experiences)
Probably much more...
RootzWiki kinda sorta tried to standardize some of that in OP headers. Would be cool to see that concept expanded in a visually pleasing manner. But, I know people like sprucing up their OP to their liking. Example:
Source: https://github.com/s...mmc-ra-recovery
Mod Type: Recovery Difficulty: Moderate Mod Status: Kang Mod Base: Carrier:
Requires Root: Yes Apply In: Fastboot Optional: Themed Optional: Android Version:
I think ports are great. If the developer is planning on just bringing it over and leaving it alone I think that's fine, but they should be upfront and say "Hey, I did this. Probably won't do any more with it myself, but anyone is welcome to add to it. Otherwise, enjoy."
What I'd really like to see is the people who respond first after an OP + OP reserved do something with that slot besides planting their flag of happening to be online at the right time (e.g. "First. Looks cool!"). They could take the lead, especially for very active developers with many ROMs and threads, to follow that thread and maintain an updated ROM Cheat Sheet/Known Fixes post. How many times have you followed the development of a ROM and things like the new boot animation didn't make it into the next update because the developer forgot. Then people post, "Hey, what happened to the boot ani" five or six times. Then a nice person posts it on Dropbox. Then a few people say other things. Then people repeat the question. Then people point them to the Dropbox link two pages back. Repeat. Repeat. Probably wouldn't matter though since a lot of people never read the OP. They sure wouldn't read that. I'll shut up.
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LOL, you forgot 'Lather, Rinse...'
Who else clicked the link
While I agree with the OP 100%, I think at the end of the day there is NO rule that states that you need to do all that..... This is for FREE, and therefore we should be happy with we get on our EVO's nowadays..... I wish developers took their time to put a fully detail change log, bug list Q&A's section, but honestly if we don't like the way certain devs handle their threads, then just move on to the next Rom either way I don't develop, and I can figure out most stuff regarding a Rom by myself now, so I'm just thankful for all the roms out for the og EVO.
Edit: what I would like to know is what's going on with all the Rom teams flip flopping, what's up with that? Sorry to go off topic, lol.
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Sorry, but while I appreciate the freeness of the work done and am grateful for it, there should still be enough info to identify exactly what you're getting into.
Perfect example. A lot of ICS/JB ROMS require the patched A2SD file. Good luck finding it. Why not add a link to the OP?? Same with GAPPS
And the date that it was released is much appreciated, although not as critical. The Android version if it's a Sense and/or GB ROM is definitely something that should be there, along with the kernel.
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Edit: what I would like to know is what's going on with all the Rom teams flip flopping, what's up with that? Sorry to go off topic, lol.
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Two teams merged. Some people have left teams. I myself left td to not look partial towards a certain group.
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Hello all,
Many of you know me from around the boards here and I have tried to help most of you at one time or another. Well, as you can see from both my avatar and my signature, I have a new title and a new device. The TMobile BOGO SGS3 and SGS2 was too sweet of a deal and the family CFO, pulled the trigger (fyi, the CFO is NOT me )
With that being said, I will probably be limiting my time in the Vibrant fora for the near future. I still don't know what devices I will be allocated as I just received notice yesterday. Between mine and my wife's phones and tablets and the devices I will be assigned to, I will be stretched thin at first.
I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone in here that has helped me. I was a new user once too and fortunately someone was there to help me. That has always been my philosophy. They helped me when I was panicking, so the least I can do is help someone else when they are panicking. After all these are expensive little toys we have here, eh? If you check eBay's Vibrant listings, there are very reasonably priced, which means that there will be an influx of new users soon enough with their questions, bootloops and PC connectivity issues. Please try to help them as much as you have helped me.
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With that being said, I am going to post a thread probably this weekend or next with some of the older harder to find files hosted in my Dev-Host account. They will be in there for as long as I have the internet (meaning there is no expiration and the files won't get stale and deleted). I am not going to put any ICS/JB ROMs in there bc they are all still fresh and new, so they should be readily available. Same with ICS/JB kernels
What I need is some of the older files that were either hosted on Multi or Mega that are gone. Below is a list of what I have already. If you can, please PM me a link to any files that you might think would be worthwhile to put on there. This will not be a BIBLE and shouldn't be used as a Q&A, hence the Repository Title.
Files I have:
Stock 2.1 JFD (Pit/Tar files)
Eugene's Froyo that Does Not Brick
Bootloaders:
Froyo Bootloaders
Gingerbread Bootloaders (I have all three)
2.1 JFD with GB bootloaders already injected.
Odin/ Heimdall/ AIO Toolbox:
4 different versions of Odin
2 Versions of Heimdall
AIO Toolbox
Themes:
Almost all 2.2/2.2.1 themes
Bootanimations:
About 20 Boot Animations
ROMs:
Zendroid
Toxic8 (Original and not Fish's mod)
Deranged9 (Original and not Fish's mod)
Bionix (Original and not Fish's mod)
CM7.1 Stable
Kernels:
All 2.2/2.2.1
All 2.3.x
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This list is just off memory, but if there is something that you like or need, either send me a PM to include it or send me a link with it included so I can download and then upload to my Dev-Host acct.
Be easy my friends and I will still be lurking. And if for some reason they decide to give me the Vibrant threads with OKA1, I will still be putting this repository together.
Hey Woodrube,
You've been of much assistance in the Vibrant forums as well as other forums. We worked on that petition together and unfortunately, that didn't go too well. You've helped a lot of people across the forums and you deserve a new device! Have fun with it and thanks for taking the time to write guides and post useful information. Frankly, I like my Vibrant better than my Nexus S so I'll prolly stick around for a while, so, if anything, I can take over your threads if you don't have time. I don't mind helping at all and we share the same philosophy.
"I was a new user once too and fortunately someone was there to help me. That has always been my philosophy. They helped me when I was panicking, so the least I can do is help someone else when they are panicking."
It's sad to see you go, but you deserve a new toy to play with, so have fun with it!
Maybe you can PM me the new thread layout you were going to make so I can post it up (That way I can edit it and add files, etc. as I have files downloaded as well.) Of course, credit will be given where credit is deserved.
And once again, thank you for everything you've done in the Vibrant community!
Ya, that petition didn't pan out too well, got me an infraction too, but it is still active believe it or not. Last post wasn't too far off. Was a very passionaite plea and the 4 of us did our best. I actually used it as a reference with my RC application.
As far as the Repo thread, I'll still post it up and put the files in there. The reason for it is because there are soo many files out there that are needed and lost or just plain don't download anymore. When I got the RC, they gave me 40gb for free with unlimited up/downloads and no expiration date. So that isn't too bad a deal. Like I said, I still don't know what devices they will assign me too but I'll still be around, just sparingly.
Thanks for the kind words too.
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... I was a new user once too and fortunately someone was there to help me. That has always been my philosophy ...
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@Woodman ...
You know my story already esp. how our "discussions" in your infamous ICS guide was monumental in building my confidence to make the jump ... into frenzied flashing fever. The journey's been all-good ever since (regardless of EU and the quirky hiccups along the way).
I had lurked for a very long time before even signing up for an account and then even posting a comment or question - ie. leary (& even already tired then) of the discouraging short-fused quips many-a-n00b had faced.
All it took was the patient demeanor and sage guidance of one person (el Wood Meistro) to change my perspective. You set the standard for being a class act, my friend.
I must say I've been impressed with the new stock of Vibrant regulars lately, and your empathetic philosophy definitely lives on through them. Wherever you end up, we'll all look forward to hitting that Thanks button on your future posts to come.
( In the meantime, I'll still see ya in our favorite watering hole ... )
I am one of the new vibrants users WoodRube has helped. I would like to say thank you once again for the help that you provided to this newb. Im sure there are many many more here that you have helped previously, and for that I say thank you. May you enjoy you're new direction to the fullest.
Hey woody, which device is yours and which is the CFO's?
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Ha!! I love my wife but what do you think? She loves her GS2 now though.
I've got SGS3 w/JB leak, SGS2 w/ lighting fast ICS (compared to her last phone), my Transformer w/ICS or JB depending on my mood, her Nook Color with CM7.2 on it, maintaining my BIL's DroidX (due for upgrade) and last night my FIL asked me to set him up with a phone & tablet. Thank God my other in-laws are iOS fanboys/girls.