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Can we no longer ask opinion based questions?

Ok So whats this new level of idiocy, are we now trully saying that one can not ask a question that involkes opinions and subjective answers, the threads could contain factual information and objective opinions but i guess we shall never know beacuse they get closed...
I am actually supprised its got this low, if you think about it almost any question answered will be subjected to an opinional bias WE ARE HUMANS
So the two "Which ROM?" questions threads get closed i think we are all big enough to realise that what one person feels is good may not be to another but we all read reviews in mags, we all read reviews on the internet and they suffer the same problems with bias you cant remove that fact, you read the responces and judge for your self, blimey what is going on here!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489979&page=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=490053

There are a ton of new ROMs out there now and it is impossible to get a "feel" of the way they perform unless you spend all of your time flashing ROMs. Constructive discussion of ROMs and their strong and weak points shouldn't be cause for public shame.

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or...
A: "Dutty's ROMs are the best!"
B: "F*** off, David's the best."
C: "You two know f*** all about ROMs; Neo's the best!"
--ad infinitum

Matterhorn said:
There are a ton of new ROMs out there now and it is impossible to get a "feel" of the way they perform unless you spend all of your time flashing ROMs. Constructive discussion of ROMs and their strong and weak points shouldn't be cause for public shame.
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Agreed, not everyone has the time, patience, ability, confidence to be flashing rom after rom, especially someone new to flashing. And for any user coming to these forums there is a bewildering amount of different roms and information. No one is asking for a be all and end all answer, but to get some opinions for a starting point can be very useful and inspire a bit of confidence to actually get going.
As long as constructive opinions are given, I personally don't see anything wrong in this. An answer as to why someone uses a rom for a particular reason may be the exact criteria that another person is looking for and might save that person a LOT of time and effort trying many roms first just to end up at that same rom.
The threads dazza mentioned I thought were being dealt with very constructively with some good advice in there. No one wants any flame war or anyone just being competitive with their chosen rom but please lets have some perspective, and credit most people with some intelligence and let some constructive discussion be allowed.

TraumaX said:
As long as constructive opinions are given, I personally don't see anything wrong in this. An answer as to why someone uses a rom for a particular reason may be the exact criteria that another person is looking for and might save that person a LOT of time and effort trying many roms first just to end up at that same rom.
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Totally agree. What harm can come from contructive opinions. This may save a person numerous flashes and time. Where is the harm in that?
It saved me time when I first joined and flashed my first ROM!!

Indeed, ill not flash a ROM unless ive had a good read about others views, its my choice to listen to them or not, theres just simply too many ROMS and versions of ROMs to not allow this constructive debate.

Blackstone users have not invented the habit to ask about which ROM is the best, which to use, etc.
Threads like these get closed because very simple reasons: the discussions in the respective threads are based solely on subjective opinions and experiences.
Every ROM has description in the ROM thread and plenty of feedback inside. What might suit me would most probably not suit you. It all comes down to users' needs and what and how they use their devices. ROM expectations are based on these. Thus, asking questions about ROMs would normally generate answer pointing in a direction other users might find wrong.
All ROMs are public, with their description and feedback inside. Nobody stops users from testing and trying ROMs, according to their tasted and expectations.
I was the one closing those threads and will continue closing similar threads.
In case you have objections, complain to site Admin regarding this issue and do not throw your anger at the XDA community which supports us all.
Moving this thread to General as it has nothing to do with ROM developent!

tnyynt said:
In case you have objections, complain to site Admin regarding this issue and do not throw your anger at the XDA community which supports us all.
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With respect, I don't see any anger here towards XDA, just opinions again. I don't think anyone is suggesting people shouldn't read and do some research, of course they should, but there are a lot of roms, some with hundreds of pages of feedback, and it can be pretty daunting. To be sure, there is a lot of help within each of threads for the individual roms but to get some perspective and comparison of them from those who have already tried many of them with some (subjective) opinions can be extremely helpful in my view.

With respect, its not feasable to test every single ROM to get a feel for them all before maknig a choice, you dont buy a car by trying out every single car on the road, you read reviews which are ALL subjective and opinionated and then rate those experiences to your needs, that limits your choices which then allows you to try it out,
everyone knows that an opinion is just that, its a user opinion, its a view of that individual. To stop all subjective / opinionated remarks would effectively shut down the website.
For instance a thread on the Touch HDs camera speed would be factual in the sence that everyone knows its crap with moving pictures, but the thread would always be subjective since other users will notice this more, you cant stop that trate in humans its in our nature, so long as the comments are not designed to personally attack anothers view the thread will live an die on its on accord with out the need to moderate them.
With regards to why i published this, it is in the communities intrest to know what they can and cant do, im not attacking you personally for closing them, just the "rules" behind the decision. but if we are not able to keep this thread civil and it gets closed then yes ill pass on my comments to the admin instead.
We are all (mostly) adults on here lets not bring the nanny state here as well.

I can add my 5 cents here.... this is a well known problem, in every forum.
You can open a thread asking "What ROM are you using and WHY?" and IMHO this could be interesting, but asking " ROM Ratings...Your Opinions" or worst " What ROM is the best for me?" are tricky questions, because RATING and OPINIONS doesn't fit well together in the first case and BEST FOR you? ...who knows is the first answer I have in mind
This doesn't seems to have high relevance but those threads could be, on the dark side, "Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs)", starting a flame war against or pro single chefs.
Are "dangerous" threads, a thread, may be with a poll, "What rom are you using and WHY" could be dangerous but interesting and will survive ONLY if users are responsible and avoid a flame war
Thanks, 5 cents donated

As tynnyt said "this is not a blackstone problem".
This issue was discussed to death here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=466666
Thanks
Dave

i don't have time to test each rom and for each of them to test every aspects in order to have my own conclusion.
as many others from here, would very intersted in the answer wich rom is best, but i am old enough (you would be surprised) to know that there is no answer to that question. from different reasons, pointed enough around here
what i want to suggest is a different approach, ofcourse if mods and admins will find that useful
instead in statement like x rom is better than y rom, or z rom rules, maybe guys who use or test different roms can give a feedback to others, with little experience, time or dare, concerning few aspects of the rom
for instance:
user noris08 (me) uses frank's rom v.1.5.12345. i would qualify that like that:
- glamurous looking
- moderate usability
- great battery life (15 days stand by - wouldn't you like that?)
- not so good speed
- extremely good for memory management (75% free)
- fix following known issues:
1. fix stutters in audio playing
2. add hardware acceleration for coreplayer
3. 3G signal always on 5 bars
4. gps fix in 5 sec
4. so on
- noticed bugs:
1. alarm clock doesn't work in stand by
2. appoinments shown with 2 hours delay
3. so on
- i would recomend it for mutimedia users
- i would rate it 7/10
it is likely that will be only a few guys with big harts to post their impressions, but is more then nothing.
in this way maybe we will not hurt rom developers feelings by just comparing x rom with y rom. they will also have some feed back concerning their work, appart of "thanks and great job mate"
just a thought!
cheers to everybody!

I agree 100% with the above post.

That a somewhat more acceptable way of putting things. If you also agree on benchmarking the ROMs (procedure, software used, etc.) then every user can post results/bugs/appearance/etc. and you'd have a standardized way of centralizing information that would be based on facts.

we're all big and old enough to know the difference, i think its quite disrespectful to ban such questions for several reasons, but something that is quite relevent is language.
English isnt everyones native language, gramatically speaking it might read to us as "which is the best ROM ever" but that might not be what they ment.
but whatever, seems minds are made and common sence has taken another knock back at the expence of so called politcal correctness, in this case offending the egos of the cookers out strips the need for new inexperienced users wanting simple feedback from the community about something without having to drudge through 1000s of pages of posts and spending much of there free time trying out every last ROM out there.
Just seems crazy if you ask me.

tnyynt said:
That a somewhat more acceptable way of putting things. If you also agree on benchmarking the ROMs (procedure, software used, etc.) then every user can post results/bugs/appearance/etc. and you'd have a standardized way of centralizing information that would be based on facts.
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I agree, this would be a good thread to start, i.e. benchmarking the ROMs procedure, software used, etc

tnyynt said:
That a somewhat more acceptable way of putting things. If you also agree on benchmarking the ROMs (procedure, software used, etc.) then every user can post results/bugs/appearance/etc. and you'd have a standardized way of centralizing information that would be based on facts.
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but using your logic, is it factual?
"- great battery life (15 days stand by - wouldn't you like that?)"
hell i have that ROM and its only lasting 10 days, instantly it becomes opinionated and subjectional
ok thats an extreme example, but even with a very well laid out feedback such as that people will disagree, you have to either ban them all or let adults use their own common sence.
I would like to say add guide lines for "which ROM" requests but another human trait is that they wont read them either.

dazza9075 said:
but using your logic, is it factual?
"- great battery life (15 days stand by - wouldn't you like that?)"
hell i have that ROM and its only lasting 10 days, instantly it becomes opinionated and subjectional
ok thats an extreme example, but even with a very well laid out feedback such as that people will disagree, you have to either ban them all or let adults use their own common sence.
I would like to say add guide lines for which ROM requests but another human trait is that they wont read them in the first place.
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Wasn't talking about battery (but even that could be reported as Radio + ROM + usage) but about using the same benchmark tool that needs to run in the same circumstances (i.e: after hard reset, manila disabled, etc.), about reporting memory usage after start up and after a day's usage, reporting bugs, etc.
I.E.:
SKTools benchmark:
X
X
X
X
Battery:
5 days with
A Radio
B Rom
X calls/day, X minutes of wifi, X no. of messages
Memory after startup:
X used
Storage memory after hard reset:
X used
Startup time:
X seconds from vibrate till stable today screen
etc.

id agree, a simple standardised benchmark runing a number of tests over a few hours would give a good account without the opinions, any suggestions?

dazza9075 said:
id agree, a simple standardised benchmark runing a number of tests over a few hours would give a good account without the opinions, any suggestions?
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You Guys find a way out and ellaborate the procedure that'd help you most. I gave you some hints. I'll support that, and I believe so will my fellow MOD colleagues.

HD2 Leo - Which ROM?

Hello all. Firstly I would like to thank everyone for their great work on ROMs and applications for the HD2.
So, I have the HD2 obviously for about a month now, and I'm "stuck" with the default 1.42 ROM which actually makes the HD2 look like it has a 250MHz processor. It gets really slow from time to time.
I'm looking to flash it with a custom ROM, but I'm a bit puzzled, given the many ROMs that already exist.
I would like your opinion on this matter; Which ROM do you think is overall better, faster etc? I actually want less RAM footprint, I want Copilot and stuff like that removed, updated versions of the HTC apps etc.
I'm leaning towards the Artemis by Sternas, although I would appreciate some more experienced opinions.
Thanks in advance.

not again.....

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not again.....
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What do you mean "not again"? Many similar topics?
Yes, I've read them, and by starting this topic it's obvious that I need some more info from those who want to share their knowledge.
From those who don't want to share their knowledge I didn't ask anything.
I'm NOT asking which is the best ROM. I'm asking which ROM do the most of you have at this time installed and which OVERALL suits the needs of a larger audience and not just the "cooks" needs.

usaully this threads end closed

Hi !
Should be a good idea to have a post where users comment their experience with different roms. I dont mean rating but more like user experience in therms of usability.

We've had this a thousand times. No, there will be no thread that asks for users' opinions on ROMs. Try them yourself.
The last thread like this got closed only a few hours ago...

equalness said:
Hi !
Should be a good idea to have a post where users comment their experience with different roms. I dont mean rating but more like user experience in therms of usability.
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I would disagree. Most users posting these kinds of questions are obviously too lazy to browse through each individual ROM's thread. I very much suspect that even if there was a central 'ROM experiences' thread they wouldn't bother to finish reading the first post.
Also, given how things have been around here recently, the thread would probably escalate into some sort of flamewar before it reaches page 2.
Anyway, if you're interested in a *very* rough indication of popularity:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534&daysprune=-1&order=desc&sort=views
It's the ROM forum, sorted by views. Artemis thread does pop up somewhere at the top, so might be a good starting point for you, dimitris_s. Only a starting point, mind - only you will be able to tell which ROM is best for you, so try a few.

What is the best ROM for HTC HD2?

I'm using "EnergyROM 23541/21892" and I'm looking for something better and faster !

I have to say it's pretty confusing and overwhelming when you arrive here. Couldn't answer this myself, there should be a poll thread like there are on Modaco to help newbies.

This again, why dont you start trying some to see what you like...they are all good

For cutting edge ROMs - look at Miri's or Dutty's HG ROMs
For super clean - look at CleanEx (new ROM but already looks like it could be a goodun)

This is all subjective to personal opinion and taste. Best advice is to read through some of the posts and try for yourself.

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Definitely the ARTEMIS !!

So indeed this is where a poll would be useful, look at all those different answers!

I think rather than a 'what is best' it would be much better to have a comparison page where all the chefs could update with the important information and a link to their forum page - so for example it would have a table with the chef name, driver version, manila version, rom version etc... and perhaps a few key points such as applications added/removed from stock ROM...
A first point of call so you can quickly see who has released a new ROM, and see its details
What this should NOT include is any star rating/number of downloads etc...

This is an easy question to answer, I think!
For any user unwilling to do a bit of research and learn about differences between ROM's, the best ROM is obviously the one they already have!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631042

Another thing...
I'm using "EnergyROM 23541/21892" and I'm looking for something better and faster !

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the hd2 can't have any preferences, you on the other hand might have some.
thus, the question becomes 'which of the roms might be the best for me?'
so the solution my friend, lies entirely in your hands
happy flashing mate

this will be closed v soon. i have seen many threads on this topic they all closed. so u have to try ur self and find what is the best. tast r difarent. for me Dutty's HG

Thats like asking
"What is the best console" or even "What is the best programming language".
Simply put, it comes down to personal opinion, while one person might rate a rom good for its long battery life, another person rates the rom bad because it didnt come with his favorite video player installed (just examples, i know battery life is more related to radio, and you can install apps on all roms)
You could however ask people to write reviews, but theres already a site for that http://xdaroms.com/ and i gotta admit thats not very actively updated/reviewed.
Personally, im always very pleased with Artemis roms, if your looking for the ram or cpu trick, forget i mentioned it, but if your looking for speed and stability alongside the latest wm and manila, check out the thread (read peoples replys a bit/read changelog/look at screens to get an idea of the rom)
The first time it can be a little scary to flash your phone, but after a while you will get the hang of it, its really not that hard or dangerous, just read the thread about flashing.
As long as you read the (help & specific rom) threads, it'll be just fine

I agree... If like me, you need a ROM which allows for Chinese Input, you become more limited in your options... so it really depends on what you need....

I am a bit surprised to see a request like "searching a faster and better ROM".
You should ask different questions, eg. I need this and that in a ROM, which
ones come with it? Even better, do a search yourself!
Dozens of ROMs are available. All of them are fast, all of them are good.
Hundreds of different answers are possible.
If you feel that your device is slow with the ROM you are using, there could be other reasons:
- bad flash
- defective device
I just tell this because after having flashed something like 50 different ROMs over the past three months, not any single one of them made my HD2 slow.

Making sense of different roms

The title of the thread is just to get all you fine people steaming in here to tell me off. But now your here by your own free will...
I've been a long time browser of these forums and recently a more active member. I used to be a very amateur coder when I was yonger and know to a small extent the hard work you guys put into these roms, so seriously to everyone congratulations on some amazing efforts.
I did want to address the reason topic titles such as the one I chose here crop up however. When I had a diamond before my HD2 there were just a few good roms to choose from and I soon settled down and chose one after trying them out. A few months back I started this same process with my HD2 but found every ROM I flashed to have a few bugs which annoyed me in day to day use, and I eventually went back to stock. Since then I havn't really tried again.
Today I have again been looking at perhaps flashing to a cooked ROM and in the beginning of these efforts I tried out the search term "best HD2 ROM". The threads that resulted were obviously very short and the authors told off for being lazy and discrediting the great works of all the chefs here. But the very good point is made that there are ALOT of ROM's for the HD2, and whilst it may only take 5 mnins to flash a ROM it takes hours, if not days, to find out if it suited to you. With the risk of losing personal info on each flash and having to reconfigure your apps each time this can be a very tedious process.
I'm basically wondering if there is any way to have a thread that can provide a way of rating the advantages and disadvantages of each ROM without having to wade through topics with hundreds of pages of mostly useless posts. It just so daunting with all these ROM's that many people may never even start.
I am just now thinking of flexing my (somewhat out of date) webmastering ability to create a "ROM Review" website - good idea?
What are people's thoughts?
p.s. This is probably also in the wrong section of the forum... just clicked "new topic" where I was browsing without thinking where it should go, please move if appropriate, thanks.

I completely agree with your idea to open this thread.
Finally we have someone who wants to put it to rights. Because every day we have new ROM or several ROM's, and every time flashing and soft re-installation takes a lot of time... and after all that you understand that "this ROM is not really what you wanted to be"...
Go on with your idea.. and I think - this section is the right place for your thread.

you got my vote

Good to see I'm not alone here, any feedback is much appriciated, even if its just a +1

Agreed, Sir.

This was taken from another thread about a similar question
"I also see no point to a list of pro's or cons of any particular ROM as most are built for the same thing, speed and stability. The only real differences you are going to see are what programs the person has loaded."
If this is indeed the case. then a list of the roms with the space taken up by the rom on the phone. the apps installed and how quick, stable each one would be must surely be a good idea?
I truly hope you can follow through with your idea.

I think there is no such thing as "the" best ROM.
Each user has different preferences, especially WinMo smartphones are
rarely one the same like another: Included software, tweaks, mods, themes, designs.
The possibilities are endless.
Also, an earlier thread here at the HD2 forum about speed (with benchmarks
as neutral as possible) ended up in unfriendly discussions (which is a mild
term to describe what happened).
An HD2 is so extremely fast that I seriously doubt that the "average" user
can tell a big difference between different ROMs. Sometimes, a buggy ROM
may be obviously slower, but in the average case, the difference will just
not really be felt, but only perceived, sometimes only imagined.
I think that it is part of this forum that there is no rating of the available
ROMs. If you watch the forum, you can easily find out which ROMs seem to
have more acceptance and therefore more fans - and if you check the ROM
description and screenshots of the chef, you can easily find out if the ROM
is something you might like.
Just to finish: How exactly does a ROM qualify as "the best"? Speed? Come
on... Software which comes with it? Come on, again...
Imho, it all ends up in optical mods and tweaks plus some extremely basic
software which is really a must for everybody. If you would ask me what
this could be, I cannot give you any name because WinMo and Manila are
on most ROMs anyway...

I couldn't agree more Mega. Very brave of you to start this thread ; )
I was a bit of a flashaholic with both my Elf and my Raphael, but I still haven't flashed anything to my Leo because it's so hard to figure out exactly what I'm going to get. Apart from the features of each ROM, it's hard to get an idea of the things that might be missing from each. Like, have the original bugs been fixed? Stuff like the audio booster turning off, AAC files being mis-sorted in the audio player, volume keys still active when the screen is off and incremental volume control or even the relative volume between headphones and phone speaker. I just can't be bothered to start flashing a million ROMs to find out. That's not laziness by the way, honest! I'm sure I'll get over it and start flashing soon ; )

tictac0566 said:
I think there is no such thing as "the" best ROM.
Each user has different preferences, especially WinMo smartphones are
rarely one the same like another: Included software, tweaks, mods, themes, designs.
The possibilities are endless.
Also, an earlier thread here at the HD2 forum about speed (with benchmarks
as neutral as possible) ended up in unfriendly discussions (which is a mild
term to describe what happened).
An HD2 is so extremely fast that I seriously doubt that the "average" user
can tell a big difference between different ROMs. Sometimes, a buggy ROM
may be obviously slower, but in the average case, the difference will just
not really be felt, but only perceived, sometimes only imagined.
I think that it is part of this forum that there is no rating of the available
ROMs. If you watch the forum, you can easily find out which ROMs seem to
have more acceptance and therefore more fans - and if you check the ROM
description and screenshots of the chef, you can easily find out if the ROM
is something you might like.
Just to finish: How exactly does a ROM qualify as "the best"? Speed? Come
on... Software which comes with it? Come on, again...
Imho, it all ends up in optical mods and tweaks plus some extremely basic
software which is really a must for everybody. If you would ask me what
this could be, I cannot give you any name because WinMo and Manila are
on most ROMs anyway...
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I agree, how would one rate the BEST? Well to be honest you cant really as each person has there own needs and wants in a rom. What might be an Ideal rom for me might not be the best rom for you. I could rate a rom at 10 and you might give it a 2, then it turns into a bashing session and that can not be allowed. The rating system has been brought up many times before and each time it comes to the same end. There will never be an accurate way to tell the best rom. I am not trying to be harsh here but threads like this are beating a dead horse.

After speaking with the OP I have decided to reopen this thread. On the condition that this is "NOT" a best rom thread. This thread will be to help those that are new to ROM flashing. I will be keeping an eye on this thread and if it turn into a Best rom or bashing thread I will reclose it for good. I understand that sense the release of the HD 2 that alot of people are new to WM and with the available options in the rom thread it can be confusing. I am also moving this thread to the General Section as it is not Rom development. To all the new guys welcome.

Just wanna say thanks to Zelendal, the topic title originally wasn't constructive.
As we all know from doing a little reading about the ROM's, each one can be individually suited to different people, it like argument about which is the best smart phone or computer platform. So the kind of discussionj I was trying to provoke was about the best way to help out newcomers decide which ROM would indeed be best suited to them.
As I posted before I have been pondering making a seperate website that would allow some organisation of peoples opinions on the ROM's and I am interested as to how much support there would be amongst the community, I am also interested as to how the Cook's themselves would see such an project, providing it was done right.

sike222 said:
This was taken from another thread about a similar question
"I also see no point to a list of pro's or cons of any particular ROM as most are built for the same thing, speed and stability. The only real differences you are going to see are what programs the person has loaded."
If this is indeed the case. then a list of the roms with the space taken up by the rom on the phone. the apps installed and how quick, stable each one would be must surely be a good idea?
I truly hope you can follow through with your idea.
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You quote me but you leave out an important part. The problem with making a list is that ROMs change. What might have been an issue in one build might be working just fine in the next. Keeping up with these changes and trying to keep on top of a list would be a nightmare. Also this mystical list you are looking for is usually on one of the first few post of every ROM thread. Most good cooks will list all these things that you are looking for. Only way to tell if a ROM will fit your needs is to try it. Every bodies idea of a good ROM is different. What one person might see as a con another sees as a pro. Personal opinion is a ***** and unfortunately everybody has a different one.
Good luck but I don't see a list being started or maintained for very long. Nor do I see this thread going anywhere productive.

Will Badger -
I don't think anyone is dis-agreeing that each ROM is suited individually to different people. Each cook makes his ROM how he wants it and if you share those wants with that cook you a likly to enjoy his ROM. That doesn't make it any easier to find what ROM is indeed suited to you, and as a newbe it can be extremely daunting, there are 30 odd cooks for the HD2, thats ALOT of time spent flashing and tring out ROM's.
Having said that I have been pointed towards
http://www.xdaroms.com/Default.aspx
Which is more or less everything I had in mind for a ROM information site, so its safe to say I wont be needing to build another. Iv'e been on this forum for a few months now and have not seen this site, somthing like this would need the direct support of Cooks asking people to visit in their ROM threads to submit reviews of their ROM.
Personally if that could happen I think it would be great and a fantastic resourse for newbes but I know there are alot of differing opinions on here, and perhaps its somthing the chefs would have second thoughts about.

Cool nice to know you found what you were looking for. I still find it easier to just read the actual thread for the info I'm looking for. Going over that page quickly I see no information stating whether the any of the HD2 ROMs are T-mobile compatible. You can flash a standard HD2 ROM onto the newer T-Mo HD2 since they use different processor.

i hadn't come across that site either, lol... but looking at this thread i think the guy's pretty keen to make the site useful. see here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=658641
there's also another thread in the ROM section that might be helpful... i'm sure jaimeeee would appreciate any input and help you wanna give
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=683743

Hi,
Thanks for the extra info, whilst the site I posted does seem to be more or less what I was thinking of doing myself it simply doesnt have the activity require to truely make it useful to anyone. It needs the support of the Forum, especially the Cooks if its going to succeed. I keep meaning to conatct the owner of th site to discuss how to push traffic onto the site but I got all caught up making a skin recently.
Hopefully we can make somthing of this!

[Q] Favorite ROM?

Now that we're starting to see an increase in ROM development for the MT4G, which one is your favorite? I've tried every single one of them, and I can't figure out which one I like best for my MT4G. I previously owned a MT3G and only used CyanogenMod, but I'm not 100% sure if I like it for my MT4G. Well, I actually love it on my MT4G, but after playing around with HTC Sense (not T-Mobile's version) I've been switching back-and-forth between ROMs.
So, what's your favorite ROM? Here's the current available choices and I'm sure there will be more to choose from soon...
- CyanogenMod by Zinx Verituse
- Desire HD by eViL D:
- Desire Z by eVil D:
- Galaxy Sense Glacier by Gr8gorilla
- Ice Glacier by teamsilence
- MIUI by eViL D:

I can't decide between CyanogenMod and Iced Glacier. Can someone please compare the pros and cons of each? Thanks =]]

So far for me the Desire HD is my favorite rom, way better than espresso.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

G1 had at least 1 post per day with "favorite rom" question. And every post had as many different answers as there were roms. You will not get far by doing this because everybody's favorite rom is different. Try them all and see what you like. Best rom is the one that works for you, not for me or some other random person.

borodin1 said:
G1 had at least 1 post per day with "favorite rom" question. And every post had as many different answers as there were roms. You will not get far by doing this because everybody's favorite rom is different. Try them all and see what you like. Best rom is the one that works for you, not for me or some other random person.
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I've tried them all so far. I'll always enjoy using CyanogenMod but have started enjoying the non-stock HTC Sense setup. My only intent with starting this thread was to see what others were enjoying the most. Nothing more, nothing less.

dustrho said:
I've tried them all so far. I'll always enjoy using CyanogenMod but have started enjoying the non-stock HTC Sense setup. My only intent with starting this thread was to see what others were enjoying the most. Nothing more, nothing less.
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And again, everyone's perspective will differ. There are power-users such as myself and others, and then there are normal...average everyday users. There are personal and business users. Each person will have different apps, uses and requirements so no two devices will be alike. Hence, your thread is subjective and not objective.

CBConsultation said:
And again, everyone's perspective will differ. There are power-users such as myself and others, and then there are normal...average everyday users. There are personal and business users. Each person will have different apps, uses and requirements so no two devices will be alike. Hence, your thread is subjective and not objective.
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I am only looking for opinions as to what ROM people prefer. Since you guys didn't provide that type of response, why does it matter to you if this thread is subjective and not objective?

dustrho said:
I am only looking for opinions as to what ROM people prefer. Since you guys didn't provide that type of response, why does it matter to you if this thread is subjective and not objective?
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Why would you want something someone else prefers? Do you follow other people? The best ROM is the one that YOU like best. The one that works best for YOU on YOUR device, not others.
It is sort of a stupid question if you think about it. If I told you that stock rocks, would that work for you? If I told you bricking your phone rocks, would you brick yours?
Way too many people ask questions without thinking about it in context first.
Try each one and go with the one that works best for you. There's your answer.
It's your phone. Make it yours.

CBConsultation said:
It is sort of a stupid question if you think about it. If I told you that stock rocks, would that work for you? If I told you bricking your phone rocks, would you brick yours?
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Not sure why you think it's a stupid question, when today's society revolves around people's opinions. I'm guessing by your comments you don't participate on Facebook or Twitter, because those are social sites where people primarily communicate their opinions about things in their lives. I also suppose you don't enjoy watching the news, reading reviews about products and/or services, or anything else that is subjective. I value people's opinions. I know what I like and I know what I want, but hearing what others' think (in this case about MT4G ROMs) hold value to me as I may find other means for ROMs I didn't much prefer. Maybe I think I'm using the right ROM for my reasons, but perhaps there's another one out there I didn't try or didn't use long enough to see the value in it.
If you don't like opinions then leave this thread, because that's all I'm asking for here.

dustrho said:
Not sure why you think it's a stupid question, when today's society revolves around people's opinions. I'm guessing by your comments you don't participate on Facebook or Twitter, because those are social sites where people primarily communicate their opinions about things in their lives. I also suppose you don't enjoy watching the news, reading reviews about products and/or services, or anything else that is subjective. I value people's opinions. I know what I like and I know what I want, but hearing what others' think (in this case about MT4G ROMs) hold value to me as I may find other means for ROMs I didn't much prefer. Maybe I think I'm using the right ROM for my reasons, but perhaps there's another one out there I didn't try or didn't use long enough to see the value in it.
If you don't like opinions then leave this thread, because that's all I'm asking for here.
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Actually, I have been a MOD in the Crackberry forums for around 6 years and have helped many members in Android Central's forums for quite a while as well. Yes I Facebook and Tweet. But the big difference is I surround myself with people who are more or less professional and experts in their respective fields. I don't go posting what I had for lunch or every time I sneeze either.
I am a professional. I relate to other professionals. I ask only when I've exhausted every other avenue. I share my opinions when asked for them. I give advice when asked for it.
What I don't do is ask others what their preferences are when it comes to something personal...like my phone or computer. The setup and apps and OS I use wouldn't work for others. The theme I use wouldn't work for someone else, and by someone doing what others do is simply copying them and not being creative or original.
Ask what you will. I fought so that others can say, ask and do what they want freely.
Edit: Now....back on topic. I am unsubscribing from this thread as I see no purpose in it. Good luck.

CBConsultation said:
And again, everyone's perspective will differ. There are power-users such as myself and others, and then there are normal...average everyday users. There are personal and business users. Each person will have different apps, uses and requirements so no two devices will be alike. Hence, your thread is subjective and not objective.
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lol you think all this arguing is more productive then just saying what rom you prefer? But you made a good point, so what rom do you think is best for power-users, normal, and business?
Theres nothing wrong with giving your opinions and reasons to back it up.
i personally enjoy iced glacier because it comes pre-installed with the custom battery icon, and OC kernel.

CBConsultation said:
Actually, I have been a MOD in the Crackberry forums for around 6 years and have helped many members in Android Central's forums for quite a while as well. Yes I Facebook and Tweet. But the big difference is I surround myself with people who are more or less professional and experts in their respective fields. I don't go posting what I had for lunch or every time I sneeze either.
I am a professional. I relate to other professionals. I ask only when I've exhausted every other avenue. I share my opinions when asked for them. I give advice when asked for it.
What I don't do is ask others what their preferences are when it comes to something personal...like my phone or computer. The setup and apps and OS I use wouldn't work for others. The theme I use wouldn't work for someone else, and by someone doing what others do is simply copying them and not being creative or original.
Ask what you will. I fought so that others can say, ask and do what they want freely.
Edit: Now....back on topic. I am unsubscribing from this thread as I see no purpose in it. Good luck.
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And not a moment too soon. Some of us had to endure three of your worthless posts..
I am interested to find out what people think about the different roms too..I just flashed cm and will be testing it for a while but I kinda like miui too
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App

i have to give it up to the latest cyanogen mod

Using the new CM with granks's kernel and I love it! Its fast and stable! I loved Iced Glacier but decided to switch it up. I tried out MIUI rom but it felt like I went back to Apple lol! All these ROM's are great though, no complains at all! VARIETY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE!