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Hey guys,
Sorry for this "noob"ish post. I am new to the Fascinate after being with T-Mo for 2 years, which included a G1 (running CyanMod) and a Nexus One (which also ran CyanMod). I am just hoping one of you would mind giving me a quick 2 minute catch up on where things are now with the Fascinate, as there is way too much on these forums to realistically sift through. I have some basic questions...
1)I have noticed root is good and all that. I would assume rooting is all you need to get free wireless tethering? What program do you use to wireless tether once you are rooted?
2)I keep seeing something about "lagfix". What is that? My phone doesn't seem laggy, except for all the bloatware Verizon has put on it. So any info is appreciated.
3)I'm not crazy about the stock 2.1 ROM. Are there any good custom 2.2 ROMs yet? What is generally the best ROM for the Fascinate? On the Nexus, argue as much as you want, CyanMod was far and away the best ROM. But it seems like there is no CyanMod for Fascinates. So what are my best choices?
4)Is there anything else I should know moving to this phone?
I really appreciate anyone taking the time to answer these, as I know these types of threads are not the most popular thing on here. I want to get "in the know" with my new phone, but there is already so much on these forums, it's hard to tell what is still new and relevant and what is not. Thanks guys!
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Hey guys,
Sorry for this "noob"ish post. I am new to the Fascinate after being with T-Mo for 2 years, which included a G1 (running CyanMod) and a Nexus One (which also ran CyanMod). I am just hoping one of you would mind giving me a quick 2 minute catch up on where things are now with the Fascinate, as there is way too much on these forums to realistically sift through. I have some basic questions...
1)I have noticed root is good and all that. I would assume rooting is all you need to get free wireless tethering? What program do you use to wireless tether once you are rooted?
2)I keep seeing something about "lagfix". What is that? My phone doesn't seem laggy, except for all the bloatware Verizon has put on it. So any info is appreciated.
3)I'm not crazy about the stock 2.1 ROM. Are there any good custom 2.2 ROMs yet? What is generally the best ROM for the Fascinate? On the Nexus, argue as much as you want, CyanMod was far and away the best ROM. But it seems like there is no CyanMod for Fascinates. So what are my best choices?
4)Is there anything else I should know moving to this phone?
I really appreciate anyone taking the time to answer these, as I know these types of threads are not the most popular thing on here. I want to get "in the know" with my new phone, but there is already so much on these forums, it's hard to tell what is still new and relevant and what is not. Thanks guys!
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Also a G1 and N1 owner. Be happy to help.
1) Wireless tethering is accomplished by myself without issue via Wireless tether app on the market. It's under the radar so to speak, but required an ad hoc connection
2) The correct lagfix is the voodoo lag fix, with the informative posts being found on the first page of this forum. Basically, Samsung used an older file system in their build, and voodoo updates it to ext4, which is alot snappier on the r/w side of things. Without it, you will encounter a slowing of your processes after a period of uptime, and usually a small freeze while the phone does things like install applications. The flip is that voodoo instructions should be read very closely, and adhered to. Failure to do so will result in phone borkage, and while always fixable, takes some time and patience to do so.
If you are unfamiliar with Odin, as I was at first, make damn sure you always use the PDA option. Failure to do so can result in terminal frustration, and possibly a close to true brick of the device.
3) There are no 2.2 ROMs yet. The Froyo OTA should hit between now and Christmas hopefully. I would like to think we will see some custom 2.2 ROMs, and maybe a CM port by the 1st. In the meanwhile there are several ROMs on this board which seem to work for the people who use them. I'm a proponent of stripping and customizing stock to suit your needs, making your ROM your own. I haven't seen enough included hacks in the available ROMs to warrant a need for them personally. We have some excellent kernels available, and some pretty slick themes and mods, which works well for me.
4) The phone has the best processor/gpu out currently. The display is fantastic, and I don't see a better device on the market currently. It does have downsides, most notably the GPS, which isn't a huge issue for me, but which also has a fix on the way, presumably to be included in the 2.2 update. I also have experienced a shortage in the Wifi reception comparative to my N1, having approx. half the range I previously enjoyed. This seems to me to be software related, so I assume it will be addressable.
If you plan to root and mod, especially if you plan to use voodoo, which I highly recommend, be careful in your reading of instructions and applications of procedures outlined in them. As great as this phone is, mistakes are costly in terms of confusion and time to correct.
Thanks for the reply. Im always impatient, and as such, have already rooted before even waiting for a first response I used the one click method though and it worked great, exactly as advertised. Root Explorer works, so I definitely am good there, and I snagged the latest build of wireless tether from the developer's page.
Now I need to get started with actually switching out the ROM. I really want all the VZ bloatware gone and Bing needs to go as well. So now I guess I have some reading to do on installing ROMs for this phone. Process seems a little more complex for this phone that it was for my N1, but that may be just because it was so long ago and I don't remember. Thanks for the response though!
I am in a similar boat I use the Droid 1 and my fascinate is at the post office waiting for me per usps tracking
I think for now I will root remove bloatware and Bing and role with that till 2.2 maybe touchwiz aswell as I hear u can save ram that way and I paid for launcher pro so might aswell use it.
Yea, from what I've read, it sounds like putting a new ROM on is kind of pointless, since it won't be 2.2 anyway. So I think I just need some good instructions for this voodoo/lagfix stuff and some good instructions for removing all the vzn bloatware that comes installed. Once I do those two things, I think I'll be good. I am already running ADW, which I love, so I don't need any customization there, and wireless tether seems great. So I guess I just need to continue searching. There are lots of topics on the voodoo/lagfix thing on here, but I just want to make sure I find the most complete comprehensive set so I dont screw anything up
I'm somewhat of a new member, but have silently read through these forums for months... I used Dirks d02 sv1200kernal and the voodoo lag fix, I have been very happy with my phone since. I have been reading about the roms right now and don't see a point just yet. Freeze the bloatware from verizon and you will love your phone. Also have switched to LPPlus and think my phone operates so smooth!
I just received my fascinate friday, best buy sucked me in, lol, and I have no regrets. This phone is amazing, better than my d1 and d2. I too had a lot of the same questions about the lagfix and what not and would just like to say thanks, this thread def helped me understand. Can't wait until 2.2 roms
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Yea, from what I've read, it sounds like putting a new ROM on is kind of pointless, since it won't be 2.2 anyway. So I think I just need some good instructions for this voodoo/lagfix stuff and some good instructions for removing all the vzn bloatware that comes installed. Once I do those two things, I think I'll be good. I am already running ADW, which I love, so I don't need any customization there, and wireless tether seems great. So I guess I just need to continue searching. There are lots of topics on the voodoo/lagfix thing on here, but I just want to make sure I find the most complete comprehensive set so I dont screw anything up
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I posted on replacing the stock launcher with ADW or LP, as well as a couple lists of what is safe to remove. It's easy enough. I'm mobile our I would link the threads, but the replacement of bing its also covered in a post that includes some zips that will help.
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I'm somewhat of a new member, but have silently read through these forums for months... I used Dirks d02 sv1200kernal and the voodoo lag fix, I have been very happy with my phone since. I have been reading about the roms right now and don't see a point just yet. Freeze the bloatware from verizon and you will love your phone. Also have switched to LPPlus and think my phone operates so smooth!
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What is LPPlus? Is it worthwhile/simple to do?
To everyone else, I am glad I was not the only other one on the fence. XDA can be a bit scary sometimes, because you don't wanna ask something dumb/"noob"ish, but at the same time, if you haven't been there since the beginning, playing catch up can be hard. I will say everyone in the Fascinate threads has been nice and really helpful so far. I am slowly working through getting my phone the way I want it. Its just a shame that Verizon has to mess up the phone with all this garbage. I dont care much for the iPhone (design or software), but the one thing they do right, which comes at the cost of being "closed", is that they can dictate the user experience right out of the box. Unfortunately a lot of people are just too timid or incapable of doing the things we do to our phones to get them "right". Its a shame too, because people base their opinions on what Android the phone company gives you rather than what it can truly be. Regardless, I appreciate everyone's help and look forward to being a part of this community. I work IT at a school, so I know my way around a PC, but I wish I just knew more about Android coding and how phones work to be a true contributor to ROMs, etc. At least I know I helped a few people by speaking up and creating this thread. Thanks again everyone!!!
Edit: Im putting this in as an edit, but I just realized that LPPlus is probably Launcher Pro Plus. Have you used ADW? Is there a difference? What do you see as its advantages over ADW?
I personally (and i think most of us here would agree) don't have a problem with anyone asking "dumb" questions, if they haven't already been answered. the main issue is that most of the new posts are either "I didn't read the instructions and F*ed up my phone", "hey i heard this crazy rumor it must be true", "Can someone explain the same thing there are already 6 other topics about" and "how can we take X from this other phone and use it on mine". your questions are understandable and asking questions before you jump in saves a lot of headaches from having to fix something you tried without understanding it. and honestly, no need to be afraid to ask anything, worst case scenario someone like me *****es at you over the internet. who cares. =)
I find myself constantly refreshing the android dev forum, scouring thru developers websites, and stalking their twitter pages, looking for an update to the latest ROM. I almost never use my vibrant for what it is anymore...a phone! This website has ruined me. I spend my whole day pressing F5 over and over and over. Flashing, reflashing, flashing, reflashing, ERROR, ODIN, flashing, reflashing. Im sick, i need help. I can see it now....FOX news reporting "Kids trying new drug...street name "XDA"." Its a massacre.
haha jk
Lol im the same way is there a cure im I think im dying little by little lol great post
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For real dude I was watching a medical show as well a looking through xda and heard the heart rate monitor in the background and cause I've done so much to this phone I thought I did something wrong I put it up to my ear like oh crap that can't be good and my wife was like that's the tv dumb ass
This site did take me off of facebook though so I've got that going for me I'm in love with my vibrant there it at least has vibrant in the thread once edit: twice
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Whats even worse I'm getting a laptop just for the purpose of having odin handy..24 hours being a dad and working 24 hours xda and modding cause of course this site has a mobile app my days are so much longer now
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I want to agree with everyone's elses comments on here. I feel like all the other people on this subject. Looking for the next best ROM for the phone. Always trying to make it better.
"hi my name is all ~g1, and yes, yes ... I am an addict!" :tear:
Now that the froyo storm has passed & R12 is in the recalibration stage I think, or at least I hope, I'll keep the staking down by half. I'm happy, for now.
Waiting patiently for 2.3 nexus $ release... Lol.
Yes I'm in this boat as well. My wife keeps yelling at me to put the damn phone down. She even complained to her therapist about my flash addiction!
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also ever since i started flashing roms i feel the need to learn how to create my own roms and modifications. Luckily my laziness overcomes this feeling, but still.
roguly said:
also ever since i started flashing roms i feel the need to learn how to create my own roms and modifications. Luckily my laziness overcomes this feeling, but still.
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No kidding right as soon as I get my laptop I think I'm going to try to make live wallpapers or something like that at least I won't feel like I'm wasting time although everyone else that I know that has a vibrant ain't got $#&! On mine they ask me what I did I say read things on xda for a month and a half ps reading for hours on end for a month straight = a whole lot of reading
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No kidding right as soon as I get my laptop I think I'm going to try to make live wallpapers or something like that at least I won't feel like I'm wasting time although everyone else that I know that has a vibrant ain't got $#&! On mine they ask me what I did I say read things on xda for a month and a half ps reading for hours on end for a month straight = a whole lot of reading
Constantly Drinking
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haha true. but my friends dont know **** about technical stuff and most of them just have messaging phones (LG Vu, Sharp FX, blah blah) so if i try to explain anything about my phone to them there like clueless haha. And im not even going to bother talking to people who have an iphone. I wonder that spell they are put under when they buy that phone so that no matter what, they think there phone is 100x better than anyone else's when its not lol. but this isnt a iphone bashing thread so ill leave it at that.
Feel the same way dude. Its the new drug of choice.
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jonwilly said:
Feel the same way dude. Its the new drug of choice.
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well, maybe the second drug of choice lol jk
lol this is also what's happening to me today! especially the froyo roms are on the hype today. when i wake up the very first thing that i will do is to look if there's an update on the development section.
Hi my name is 12paq.
I have been modding hard since my Pocket PC days. I have increased to 8-10 hours a day since getting my Vibrant and trying flashing for the first time. Don't blame Odin or Rom Manager, they are just delivery devices.
My wife has left me, my daughter won't talk to me and my dog left me for another dude. (Sounds like all Country music).
I refuse to believe I have a problem. It is everyone else that has a problem!
Now back to reading XDA. Tonight I'm mixing it with top shelf Gin for extra buzz. Now leave me alone!
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Xda was like crack for me (I love crack ) back when I had my g1. It was awful, hours and hours each day, up all night. I was so burnt out I was actually relieved to get the mytouch 3g and keep it stock, I finally realized how great android just is, of course I flashed update zips early but I didn't modify it, I finally rooted my nexus to try 720 which completely blew but that's it I love my vibrant and I want froyo bad but these threads are the same as they were back with my g1, there's always an issue, there just isn't any rom as stable as stock, the ones that are close are basically stock anyway so what's the point? Faster maybe, but not as stable. Anytime I check a rom thread people are asking for help, that crap has helped me stay on the wagon. If there was a froyo zip for unroored vibrants though, I'd jump on it...
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Xda was like crack for me (I love crack ) back when I had my g1. It was awful, hours and hours each day, up all night. I was so burnt out I was actually relieved to get the mytouch 3g and keep it stock, I finally realized how great android just is, of course I flashed update zips early but I didn't modify it, I finally rooted my nexus to try 720 which completely blew but that's it I love my vibrant and I want froyo bad but these threads are the same as they were back with my g1, there's always an issue, there just isn't any rom as stable as stock, the ones that are close are basically stock anyway so what's the point? Faster maybe, but not as stable. Anytime I check a rom thread people are asking for help, that crap has helped me stay on the wagon. If there was a froyo zip for unroored vibrants though, I'd jump on it...
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Hate too pull you off the wagon but T-Moble and Sammy aren't known for their well vetted bug free updates. The ones on XDA seem better supported. Many fans here of many Froyo updates. Just wait and don't be the first to try the first version unless you want to play beta tester, a good cause too.
I'm using Tmo stock 2.2 fro Eugene with Klang kernel and it rocks with far less bugs then any crud official. You see the complaints here way more then the successes.
Come on... try it... I dare ya... just once you'll like it...
This **** spreads too. I got one of my friends hooked on flashing custom roms to his old WinMo phone and he's now followed my footsteps and picked up a Vibrant because of how much he loves to play with the new roms I flash every week. I have another friend who's on AT&T who has been following the Captivate forum so he is now wanting to get one so that he can try the xda drug for himself. Haha!
I think I'd make a good dealer
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I think I'd make a good dealer
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I have four friends here at work who has a Vibrant since I picked one up. People always asks me about Android phones here as well because they like what they see.
I'll join you in the Dealer club!
I tried to get my doctor to understand my sickness, and maybe find some medication. But....while researching this disease he just became addicted himself and now has closed his practice and i have yet to hear from him...
This was a fun post to joke around on and a really positive antithesis to some of the negative garbage dumping going on on this site now.
Thanks for the laughs!
We probably scared some people too, snicker snicker...
I have had the vibrant for a couple of months now, and I must say I am very dissapointed.
I had the chance to try my friends' evo and another friends mytouch 4g and I must say these phones are about 10 times better rhan the vibrant...
No lag, gps works amazingly fast and accurate 9.8 ft accurancy indoors on the evo with 8 sats locked. These phones just work right out of the box. The vibrant is a hyped up phone with very little usability because most times I need something really quick the phone decides to crawl and doesn't respond. Build quality is also better on the mentioned phones. Even my other friends htc aria performs faster and better in every aspect and that on 2.1...
Hopefully someone will solve these issues at some point cause it seems to me it is all software related cause on the spec sheet the vibrant looks to be a great device but in real life it is just a lot of frustration...
This is definitely my last Samsung phone and as soon as I get my hands on a used mytouch 4g I will gladly get rid of the vibrant.
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Just root it go crazy oh baby oh baby .
Root it
Flash voodoo kernel/custom rom
quit whining.
You don't like your Vibrant, great. Leave the forum and stop complaining about it. You can sell it, smash it, trade it, whatever. We don't care. The majority of us are happy with the Vibrant.
Now lets be nice. We havent a reason to be rude. He is unhappy and has a right to be. We dont have to respond to the thread.
I am for one happy with my phone. Gps works! awesome software by teamwhiskey!
Great glasstopia them by mwbehr. Fantastic kernel by the man himself eugene373.
I already learned I dont need samsungs support. Maybe we can help him learn that also.
Well what a friendly community this is...
I felt like venting because using this phone is frustrating. I posted in the general section so if that was wrong let the mods take care of it but don't act like an idiot.
My vibrant is rooted and on official ka6. Rooting has nothing to do with the performance of the device.
Besides a phone should work the right way out of the box without any modification. If you say you are happy then good for you, but you might want to try using other phones and you will clearly see the difference...
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I didnt mean to come off rude, I was giving you the solution man.
I have MANY phones. Rooting doesnt help the performance... but apps that need root access do. And yes, voodoo (converting the file system to EXT 4) WILL fix your complaint.
Hazzard99 thank you for the reply. You are absolutely right and that is why I said it must all be software related since the hardware seems like it is supposed to beat pretty much any device out there.
I am fine with rooting and I did it, I just do not feel comfortable to flash any custom firmware yet...
I am more frustrated with samsung than anything else. I think android is the future definitely and it is growing daily... but Samsung lost me as a customer, that is for sure.
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XPLANE9 said:
You don't like your Vibrant, great. Leave the forum and stop complaining about it. You can sell it, smash it, trade it, whatever. We don't care. The majority of us are happy with the Vibrant.
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I'm sorry, aren't a ton of the threads in this forum dedicated to people's complaints with sammy/tmo/vibrant? Not a whole lot of us are satisfied with the Vibrant stock. Maybe we can educate him just how simple it is to root this device and put it's fantastic hardware to use.
Can you imagine what we'd miss out on if Sombionix or Eugene were basically told to piss off when they first picked up an Android phone and wanted it to do more?
Cut the guy some slack is all I'm sayin.
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Tjbunch1228 thanks for your understanding.
I will be flashing a custom rom and kernel but I think before that I will do a little more reading. I grasp the basics but I still require a bit more education before I proceed and this forum has plenty of step by step guides on how to do it, I just felt the need to bash Samsung. I wish I could do more so that Samsung actually hears my and many other peoples complaints.
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Hazzard99 thank you for the reply. You are absolutely right and that is why I said it must all be software related since the hardware seems like it is supposed to beat pretty much any device out there.
I am fine with rooting and I did it, I just do not feel comfortable to flash any custom firmware yet...
I am more frustrated with samsung than anything else. I think android is the future definitely and it is growing daily... but Samsung lost me as a customer, that is for sure.
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I understand that the stock version of the phone is truly laggy, and the gps is not that great. But they are many roms or "custom firmwares" that u can flash. They will make ur phone nearly 100x better. Flashing is defnitely worth it. If ur brave enough, you can even add on the ffc.
Dont be scared you dont have to do much but flash the rom of your choice and read up on it a bit.
One of the little pleasures of life Is taking pride in the things that we do for ourselves. I am very grateful for the community everytime I meet someone who has a certain phone and hates it. I let them know that the phone isnt that bad.
Oh and btw I run bionix v and I can underclock to 800mhz and be happy as a pig in poop.
And also we let samsung have it. they got railed via facebook and twitter about how unhappy people were. Tust me they know!!!
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Tjbunch1228 thanks for your understanding.
I will be flashing a custom rom and kernel but I think before that I will do a little more reading. I grasp the basics but I still require a bit more education before I proceed and this forum has plenty of step by step guides on how to do it, I just felt the need to bash Samsung. I wish I could do more so that Samsung actually hears my and many other peoples complaints.
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I recommend both guides in my signature if you have not already. And yeah, we railed samsung pretty hard... got some articles written and voi'la they released froyo (half-assed though)
A little ass is better than no ass! Amirite? lol
Yeah I was scared about f-ing my phone up but with some reading and some trail and error I've learned that without tthe dev community I would truly hate and more then likely would have broke this phone out or frustration. Wait till you get a whiskey or axura or eugene or the other guys.(sorry I just don't know the developer name but they so trigger and couple others) you will be floored. I know I am
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Well guys thanks for your input. I will have to do some more reading and definitely some flashing (this just sounds weird)
One question though. Would flashing eugenes kernel but remaining with stock ka6 fix the lag on this device?
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Dont flash that!!!!!
Not cause its bad or anything.. but it could possibly erase your sd card and mess with your internal memory if you dont watch out
You are warned
Got it. I will stay away for now.
Thank you!
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Sorry I meant supercurio not eugene.
Supercurio is the one that mentioned odin flashable kernel + voodoo but using stock firmware ka6 if I understood correctly...
I feel comfortable using odin, so if this will speed up the vibrant I would gladly try it...
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It has a big impact on the speed. And sound is freakin sweet!
If anyone needs to root, please post here
Im making an automatic rooter for this phone.
I will need it tomorrow after i pick mine up
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phone really?
Phone lawl
Edit: I couldn't resist. Props though, thus would be appreciated by many I'm sure
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Uhmm, you're gonna build an auto-root for the Xoom?!
I'm the proud owner of a rooted Droid running UD7, and have rooted friends' Droids, too. But STILL, I read the instruction in the root Xoom "how-to" in the dev forum, and I can't for the life of me figure it out enough to have any confidence what so ever while trying it!
-It's the same thing as when root came out for the Droid; there's the "know wtf it all means" crowd getting pelted with redundant Qs from us "can't figure it out" guys!
-So what's the usual donation for this?
I'd probably use one instead of ADB.
alright, so who wants to test it out?
I'd love it. Then I wouldn't my settings and apps.
Mike
I'd love to try it as well
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Just got my wifi Xoom today, so yeah, definitely interested!
im just used to saying "Phone" from modding so many phones.. -__-
lol bare with me..
Does it wipe data and unlock the radio? I'd like to try it but wondering what unlocking would do to my Verizon account and I've installed and setup a lot on this thing and I'm having trouble locating a good pre-root backup app.
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alright, so who wants to test it out?
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Just curious, do you have a xoom to test it on ??
Honestly, I'm afraid to go first.
I would assume this is for Xoom 3G and not Wifi only?
Someone point me towards a good backup program for unrooted Xooms so I can backup all my apps and configs and I'll go first
keep in mind that the wifi and 3g xooms appear to be different when it comes to rooting...
I hope you can get this to work for the Wifi version. I never learned to use SDK and adb commands. Used Unrevoked for my Dinc.
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I hope you can get this to work for the Wifi version. I never learned to use SDK and adb commands. Used Unrevoked for my Dinc.
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Its not a bad thing to learn ;-) and its really not that difficult to use adb.. people are just so damn lazy in this day and age.. its like "what I have to type something?!?! I can't just click something?" Lol god you younger people would have flipped if all you had was dos when you were a kid like me. Hell back then everything was on 5 1/4 floppy disks Lol
I'm taking classes (I'm 35) and the professor asked the class if anyone remembered before there was an internet.. 3 people raised their hands.. lol so if people now a days can't remember when there was no internet its almost impossible to think people know what it was like before windows, when everything was command based.. me I'd much rather type I to a prompt then click a button
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Gosh, thanks for that.
I do remember DOS. I also remember when my school got the new TRS80s during my sophomore year. I remember learning BASIC.
I also remember having to sell my prized posession, a beautiful Fender bass, to pay my rent because my landscaping job wasn't paying me well enough. Thank God I found the part time job shoveling **** at that horse farm. It wasn't so bad because it's cool at night.
Nuttin' like shovelin' **** for five hours after a 10 hour day baking in the sunshine smashing your finger all to hell building rock walls.
What I DON'T seem to remember are any times when I had a spare thousand bucks to set fire to.
Now from all that you might gather that I'm just some dumb ass laborer with no need to even HAVE a Xoom, let alone root the thing, but I'm not. I've hacked my Canon cameras, my K1m, my Droid, and now I want to take my Xoom to its limits.
What I DON'T wanna do is turn it into a friggin paperwieght for my desk (...yes, years later I now work at a desk).
I agree with you that there are a lot of lazy folks these days, and being 8 years your senior, I've witnessed this regression more so than yourself. However, I don't think "lazy" is nearly as accurate as "fearful" is for the true description of folks here looking for a sure-fire way to root with the least amount of possibility of catastophic failure.
Sorry for the rant, but this has always been an issue for me from guys that share your perspective on this.
I havent GBed. I wont bother unless its Moto released and rootable. Why? All the "where is this app?", "where is that feature?", "Im loopin bootstrap!", and my personal favorite :"how do I get back to froyo? " ...just click ur heels Dorothy......
Don’t get me wrong, Im the happy beneficiary of rooted stock. And for the folks that are all about the phone geek thing knock urselves out, Im enjoyin the reads. But let's be honest,GB isn't a warm fuzzy balance of enhancements for time invested.
After couple of functionality tweeks like rooting for bloat reduction, Froyo is highly functional and solid. I personally have a limited amount of free time...which incidentally is maximized by my highly feature-laden rock solid DX...and while Iapplaud u bleeding edge cowboys, I'm gonna stay put...til Moto releases GB and somebody here gets it rooted.
just sayin...munch,ymunch,munch...
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Technically with the locked bootloader everybody is running a Motorola released version. This new version of gb that was released was by an ota to a few phones. While not a full fledged update to gb it is very stable and reliable. I have been on it and have zero problems. All of my apps appeared. And no bootloops. The directions for everything that needs to be done are very well done and there is almost a zero percent chance of truly bricking your phone. And with sbf'ing and everything I had to do to get to gb it only took me about fifteen total minutes to get there. Enjoy your stable Froyo and popcorn and I will enjoy my stable Gingerbread.
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I havent GBed. I wont bother unless its Moto released and rootable. Why? All the "where is this app?", "where is that feature?", "Im loopin bootstrap!", and my personal favorite :"how do I get back to froyo? " ...just click ur heels Dorothy......
Don’t get me wrong, Im the happy beneficiary of rooted stock. And for the folks that are all about the phone geek thing knock urselves out, Im enjoyin the reads. But let's be honest,GB isn't a warm fuzzy balance of enhancements for time invested.
After couple of functionality tweeks like rooting for bloat reduction, Froyo is highly functional and solid. I personally have a limited amount of free time...which incidentally is maximized by my highly feature-laden rock solid DX...and while Iapplaud u bleeding edge cowboys, I'm gonna stay put...til Moto releases GB and somebody here gets it rooted.
just sayin...munch,ymunch,munch...
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wow. thanks for the worthless post. save that kind of stuff for your therapist. nobody here cares to hear that you're not a flashaholic. geez. how arrogant
EDIT: lol. i just came across your last couple posts in another thread. i see the true reason you havent gone to gingerbread is because you dont know what you're doing. Which, there's nothin wrong with. But dang dude. really? i'll go back to eating my popcorn and enjoying my rock solid gingerbread rom, lol.
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wow. thanks for the worthless post. save that kind of stuff for your therapist. nobody here cares to hear that you're not a flashaholic. geez. how arrogant
EDIT: lol. i just came across your last couple posts in another thread. i see the true reason you havent gone to gingerbread is because you dont know what you're doing. Which, there's nothin wrong with. But dang dude. really? i'll go back to eating my popcorn and enjoying my rock solid gingerbread rom, lol.
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lol that's funny.
He must have got this site confused with facebook.
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Ur right that Im not up on all the knowledge necessary. And that's part of the point....why spend the time? What's the reward for the risk? I've read more "help,I did what it said and my phone won't this that or the other" than ur "rock solid GB" stuff. Glad ur happy, sorry ur such loss poor converationalists.
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Ur right that Im not up on all the knowledge necessary. And that's part of the point....why spend the time? What's the reward for the risk? I've read more "help,I did what it said and my phone won't this that or the other" than ur "rock solid GB" stuff. Glad ur happy, sorry ur such loss poor converationalists.
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What's the point? Why do you do things that you do? It's simply because this is a development forum for people who enjoy this stuff. We enjoy flashing things and learning all we can about this stuff. It is fun for us. The reason people have issues is almost 100% user error. That means that they forgot to do something. Or didn't fully download a file. Or did something in the wrong order. There's almost never a problem with the software provided to us. The files work, people just make mistakes
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What's the point? Why do you do things that you do? It's simply because this is a development forum for people who enjoy this stuff. We enjoy flashing things and learning all we can about this stuff. It is fun for us. The reason people have issues is almost 100% user error. That means that they forgot to do something. Or didn't fully download a file. Or did something in the wrong order. There's almost never a problem with the software provided to us. The files work, people just make mistakes
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+1. With the locked bootloader and no way for people to try to flash the radio or kernel. It has made this phone nearly impossible to hard brick. I only know of one. Every other person has worked through there problems by the helpful people and guides on this and other forums. You stick around here long enough and you will be eating gingerbread instead of popcorn.
Edit: I should say no way to flash a custom kernel or custom radio.
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While I share the philosophy of the OP (waiting for OTA and z4root-esque rooting), I don't agree that anyone should avoid applying GB. I did that sort of thing with my WinMo phone and if I felt the need to GB now, I absolutely would with no worries about the quality of the rom.
And with the potential for a long break without being rooted, I may just do that. I'm not up to speed with a lot of this, but will a root for the OTA be possible and will it take some time? I needs my AdFree, Tether and CacheCleaner.
I'm not trying to go against the tone of the thread here by saying this, but I have Gingerbread and am really not looking back. Stock Froyo was boring, everyone will agree with that. From there you had either ApeX or rubiX (or later Liberty). I ran all three actually and settled between Apex and rubiX Focused. Apex is/was good for battery life and overall stability. rubiX Focused is/was good for speed and stability, battery life was a bit less than Apex. But to me Gingerbread is the best of both worlds. 30-40 hour battery life PLUS the much improved (for most) Quadrant scores and overall speed and snappiness is like rubiX + ApeX. (video here)
I guess all I'm trying to say is that *when done properly*, if you flash from your favorite ROM to Gingerbread it's completely doable without any hitches or hangups. The thing to remember here is this: you're going from your favorite build/ROM/setup to something completely foreign. When I first flashed 2.3 (the most recent OTA, deodexed & rooted) there were some things I complained about. Then, with time and just playing around with it, I figured them out. I think most people are "having issues" with it because it's really that much of a change. It's not the jump from 2.2 to 2.2.1. It's a whole new setup, interface and all. I think it's the process that scares people, and that's understandable, but just remember.. it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE to brick your phone. With SBF, you'd almost have to be trying to mess things ups. Find a decent guide and give it a shot. You can always flash back to your current setup.
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While I share the philosophy of the OP (waiting for OTA and z4root-esque rooting), I don't agree that anyone should avoid applying GB. I did that sort of thing with my WinMo phone and if I felt the need to GB now, I absolutely would with no worries about the quality of the rom.
And with the potential for a long break without being rooted, I may just do that. I'm not up to speed with a lot of this, but will a root for the OTA be possible and will it take some time? I needs my AdFree, Tether and CacheCleaner.
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Just a heads up, be careful with Wireless Tether on 2.3.. or even 2.2 if you're going over 5GB. People are saying that's being watched now.
I didn't really say "what's the point", I said the reward for time spent seemed dubious.....and I said I applaud the efforts and am the beneficiary of them. But damn there's lotta varying degrees of success. Part of my trouble is my PC's incompatibilty with the DX drivers that prevents me from sbfing....which seems like the safety net.
Buy beyond that I haven't read anything that puts GB so very much up the foodchain from froyo ....boring? Froyo is boring compared to GB how?
And zippy? My DX is very zippy...
Maybe Im not running enough stuff ;-)
I have to say, extended battery life has my eyebrow raised...that'd be welcome.
To be honest I was thinkin about loading the dx drivers on the DAW side of my dual boot XP box...down side is that boot is offline with no antivirus etc to maximize the resources for the studio ....don't wanna **** up a well-oiled machine....which brings me back to sittin in my chaise lounge on the sideline til GB is as easy as rooting &deodexing was.
Thx for the civil discourse.
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I didn't really say "what's the point", I said the reward for time spent seemed dubious.....and I said I applaud the efforts and am the beneficiary of them. But damn there's lotta varying degrees of success. Part of my trouble is my PC's incompatibilty with the DX drivers that prevents me from sbfing....which seems like the safety net.
Buy beyond that I haven't read anything that puts GB so very much up the foodchain from froyo ....boring? Froyo is boring compared to GB how?
And zippy? My DX is very zippy...
Maybe Im not running enough stuff ;-)
I have to say, extended battery life has my eyebrow raised...that'd be welcome.
To be honest I was thinkin about loading the dx drivers on the DAW side of my dual boot XP box...down side is that boot is offline with no antivirus etc to maximize the resources for the studio ....don't wanna **** up a well-oiled machine....which brings me back to sittin in my chaise lounge on the sideline til GB is as easy as rooting &deodexing was.
Thx for the civil discourse.
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I am definitely getting better battery life. The other day I calibrated my battery and had to wait for 1 day 13 hours and change before the thing finally died. Also if the drivers aren't working for you try this. http://www.droidxforums.com/forum/d...-solution-your-windows-rsd-lite-problems.html
just put it on a cd and go. It is linux. I haven't used it since my windows 7 64 bit system did the job for me just fine, but I have heard a really good response with this. Also, if you have any questions about it the guy is really good at answering them.
Since you are on stock....you are really in the perfect position to upgrade to gb the easiest. Root, Droid 2 Bootstrap, wipe, run the 3 files from tbh, wipe, and reboot. Off you go.
Just to note TBH has put out a rooted version of the GB leak....
I have blur_version.23588.p1 p2. And p3 plus the droid 2 bootstrap. So ur sayin I'm good to go from 2.2 rooted stock froyo up to GB without needing any sbf connection to my PC, right?
This is a good time for me to phuck around w the phone cuz Im off this week.
Couple of last questions :
I bought power amp...am I gonna lose it?
Does the camera settings issue mentioned recently apply to me on this load?
What does OTA stand for?
Can I get back to froyo 2.2 without sbf?
How many pecks in aa bushel?
Thx
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I have blur_version.23588.p1 p2. And p3 plus the droid 2 bootstrap. So ur sayin I'm good to go from 2.2 rooted stock froyo up to GB without needing any sbf connection to my PC, right?
This is a good time for me to phuck around w the phone cuz Im off this week.
Couple of last questions :
I bought power amp...am I gonna lose it?
Does the camera settings issue mentioned recently apply to me on this load?
What does OTA stand for?
Can I get back to froyo 2.2 without sbf?
How many pecks in aa bushel?
Thx
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1. No it will redownload after you flash
2. Yes. No idea why or how to fix
3. Over-the-air. It is an update sent directly to your phone from Verizon.
4. No. But SBF'ing is not difficult at all, it's just the idea that scares people and that people make stupid mistakes
5. I think two, or four maybe. But that is completely unrelated. Look it up
Thx....damn quick response.
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Well she-it...I was all ready to pull the trigger when I double checke file size. #2 should be 16.2m and im only showing 21.7k. Only one of the three links is working.
Anybody know of another link?
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Well she-it...I was all ready to pull the trigger when I double checke file size. #2 should be 16.2m and im only showing 21.7k. Only one of the three links is working.
Anybody know of another link?
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all links work here
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...3-3-4-5-588-install-patch-root.html#post68035
No joy.
Got an abort on the first file. (Good place to get one I guess). These files were downloaded to the wifey's laptop and copied over.
One distinction ...instructions here included "wipe", but the instructions from the modderX site did not mention wipe.
Furthermore there are 2 wipes .... I tried wiping the cache...no joy. The other wipe looked too scary..sumpin about reset factory blah blah blah.....
Its good to be on vacation.
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